Bradley Manning: top US legal scholars voice outrage at 'torture'

I don't recollect Bush/Cheney torturing our own military personnel.

So, as much is the Obama administration is actually the Bush Third administration, when it comes to torturing our own Americans, Obama is worse.

Obama is stepping onto a slippery slope here, and I hope those who continue to support him and plan to vote for him in 2012 will think really hard about whether or not they want to reelect someone in the Oval Office who would torture one of our own soldiers.

Bush just signed to paper work (patriot act)to allow this sort of thing. Obama promised not be like Bush ran up grabbed the torch and is continuing the race.

Presidents are puppets. Kind of like a manager at Mc Donalds. We get to see the manager if we have a problem with our burger... but we never actually get to see the franchise owner.

Yeah, but if enough customers stop buying what the franchise owner is selling, he is out of business and on the streets.

Truly, I would love to see Obama forced by his own avarice and greed to have to live in one of the newly homeless camps that are popping up everywhere.

That will never happen, however, because he has lined his pockets with vouchers from corporate America for free money once he is out of office.

You are correct.

The last thing Obama wants is for us to know the truth.

Again, in that way--and Obama's 2008 promises for transparency be damned for the worthless pile of shit they were--Obama's administration truly is the Bush Third administration.

"If the truth shall set you free, then why is Pfc. Manning in prison?"

A most excellent way to phrase the question!

Wasn't he just a private? How does a private get access to so much classified information anyway? This whole story/wiki leaks and how the media ran with it just seems a little fishy to me. All they do is lie to us.. so I'm skeptical.

Exactly....you said it better than I did.

Yes.

Don't think he did. The guy that burned the Koran did more harm.

Expound further, please.

The guy that ignorantly burned a book, harmed only that book. He is not responsible for the people who go on a murderous rampage in reaction to the burning of the book.

On the Manning thing my remarks are confined to only the following notion and I imply nothing more one way or the other. In some of the early document releases, names of people who had betrayed their country or movement to assist ours were not properly redacted. Those people and their families were put in direct danger by the revelations.

Soldiers were put in danger by this "pastor" and his ignorance. He was told, warned in fact, that violence would be the response. He did it anyway and people were killed. Sure, you can make the argument that he didn't start the fire - but he sure as hell lit the match.

But all of this is besides the point. There is a right way and a wrong way to treat people. Period. When you start chipping away at the basic rights and protections that we all are entitled to do not be surprised when the next one to lose those protections is you.

Smells like a false flag to me.... I think this guy is a patsy.

More important than pissing people off, Manning finally give some of the transparency that Obama promised in 2008 he'd deliver as president to the people of America, but which he has either failed to deliver or, worse, delivered the exact opposite of what he promised. Since we voted for him (based on his campaign promises) and made him POTUS, we've fulfilled our part of the quid-pro-quo agreement between a presidential candidate and his voters...and Obama has welched on his part of the bargain--to perform on his promises.

Lord, I loathe a welcher. As my midwestern mother used to say, "A man who is not a man of his word is no man at all."

The only kind of "transparency" we have from Obama is this: if Obama promises he will do something, if we view that as an indication he will either NOT do it, or do the opposite, then we will know what is actually going on when he is lying to us about what he is doing.

Whatever. We have to get Manning out of there.

Perhaps this can be the rallying cry that will reactivate all of the newly apathetic Democratic Party voters Obama created with his bait-and-switch scam-artist presidency.

The typical terrorist and guilt attacks by the DNC simply don't work with apathetic voters. Indeed, they just drive the apathetic voters further away.

I'm open to ideas, and would be very glad to volunteer to help implement them.

Even after Obama got on TV and announced that he had contacted the facility where Manning is being held and was assured that Manning was being treated humanly and like all other prisoners at the facility? Just more Obama lies... He said he checked into it so he made it his personal business to check and could have corrected it if the people holding Manning had said to him for example.. Yes we take his clothing from him and treat him like a pile of crap. Don't try and protect the lier. He's the one that brought himself into this by "checking it out". What a good person he is.... *PUKE*
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/11/obama-bradley-manning-tre_n_834669.html

Get real. The President is the Commander In Chief of the entire US Armed Forces. No one, of all the individuals within the military, commands as much power and control as The President.

The military operates via chain of command. Obama is the Commader in Chief.

He is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the Armed Forces of the United States of America! He is 100% responsible in this matter. You know as well as I do if it were W. doing this shit you would be calling for his impeachment.

For the life of me I do not know why people are voted down for telling the TRUTH.

That was comical. "I asked if he was being treated well. And they said yes, so he must be OK". Yeah, right. Why don't you ask me if I'll vote for you next year.

A. The truth hurts and some people can't handle it.
B. Stupidity
C. Its easier to vote someone down then post a ridiculous justification that you know is wrong.
D. I'm not the nicest person on current and I tend to collect haters.
E. All of the above.

I'm leaning toward E.

Does the blame rest with the Commander in Chief, or just his underlings?

F. You're not sheeple.

I totally disagree.

Obama is the Commander in Chief. He is the civilian we have to control the military. The idea of a civilian having ultimate control over our military is an important part of what keeps our military from turning into a junta, believing it has the right to create its own rule of law, at whim.

As I said, the only transparency we will ever get from Obama is to listen to what he promises to do, and know that either he only promised it because:

1. Obama knew there was no chance in hell it would pass Congress (especially when Obama does zero to use his power to get the issues passed he promised he would);

2. He will either not do it, or;

3. He will do the exact opposite of what he promised.

So, in knowing Obama is a dishonest disgrace as a man and a POTUS, and that nothing he says can be believed, I guess that gives us some kind of transparency.

Of course, we could get the same kind of transparency from Charlie Manson, too.

Brilliant. +^'ed

In theory, you are correct. Then again the military is huge.

He's still American, I'm sure you've done worse things than this 'fucktard' and you still get to practice your rights. All he did was practice his right of speech and to share information, that doesn't justify the government reprimanding him by stripping him of his rights as a citizen and then torturing him. Get your head straight, if you did what manning did and now suffered his punishment you would be singing a different song.

Ya, those soldiers volunteered to be in Afghanistan too, and dont tell me they are "protecting our freedoms" out there, as we all know that argument is the worst of political red herrings. Execute manning for treason while the war criminals he exposed get to continue running the world, unnoticed...that just makes TONS of sense. The only traitors are the war criminals that run the U.S. military, and as long as we keep allowing them to do what ever the hell they want on the basis that they are "protecting our freedoms", they will continue the mass murder of civilians with the moronic nodding permission of idiots like you.

Maybe we'll all get lucky and you will get hit by a bus, the driver will recognize you, back up, and run your stupid ass over again to make sure. Just saying.

The main thing that waves a red flag that they are obviously trying to break him is the solitary confinement. And you may say he deserves it for what he did BUT he has not been convicted, hasn't even had a trial and its been almost a year. That is why people are protesting....

Wrong Dark, it is something we know about. There are these quaint little things called "laws" and they must be followed, no matter who they are being applied to no matter how heinous the crime. Why? Because we are America, that's why.
We don't pick and choose. This country is supposed to be a nation of laws, our nation is built on a foundation of laws, no matter how much you dislike someone you're not allowed to choose who receives fair treatment and who doesn't.

Since John Yoo has destroyed the Geneva Conventions, referring to them as "quaint," a convention that we, America are major signatories of (meaning; we of all people have to adhere to the Conventions more than anyone else). The 4th Amendment has been shredded as have other protections by the Bush administration and the Obama administration.
One of the protections I speak of is the 1st Amendment, the freedom of the Press. Bradley Manning may have been a soldier, but he also he rights as a human, as a soldier, as an American. He has yet to see any of those rights. This administration and the Bush administration have been the worst in regard to whistle blowers and reporters that it is not safe for reporters in this country.
Manning allowed footage to be seen that showed a crime was committed. He followed his conscious, I don't know why that is such a horrific thing to you, I don't really care. I know he did the right thing. I know he is the kind of man we should have in our military. A man that believes in truth and integrity, he is a rare breed in this world. I wish I could do something for him, he has obviously given up his life to show one piece of the truth, he is a brave young man, he didn't choose to go there, he was brought there and is know being tortured on our own soil. We have broken our most sacred trusts and spit on that.

And I weep for our lost nation.

And as I find myself saying to all asshole posts like yours, show me that conviction, baby!! Or is it too liberal to treat an ACCUSED person like a human being? People like you make me fucking puke.

You said it all here, Dusty King. I weep for our lost nation as well.

Look, if he committed a crime, then try him, don't torture him. The people here have a problem with torture as all Americans should. Remember..., it wasn't that long ago that we looked derisively upon countries that did. Now not only can we not do that anymore, they will likely point to us to justify their torture.

Very well said .

Thousands of soldiers and innocent civilians have been butchered because of lies supporting American warmongering. Do you think that's okay? While you're waving old glory you should hang your head in shame.

If you support Obama allowing Manning to be tortured, I hope you're prepared for the GOP president elected in 2012 using the "Obama Torture of American Citizens Precedent" to torture you, if you are so unwise to speak out against the presidential administration, and publish information about them they would rather not have shared with the world.

This has nothing to do directly, and probably indirectly as well, with Obama or his cabinet. Don't blame the figure head for everything.

Wake up, dude! He's the President! All he has to do is say," Treat him like a normal prisoner, or else." Done deal.

He could pardon him . That would be good .

Can't pardon him until they try him & convict him.

Good point , so WHY is he being held hostage ? Because he made someone angry by exposing them .....

Exactly.

Three words:

Commander In Chief.

You're welcome, PA. That quote stood out for me, too. As well as everything else on Moore's site. Your poster speaks the truth.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. That's why.

I think because the Pentagon is in charge and the same people are still in charge of foreign policy. Think Robert Gates, Dick Cheney. Cheney doesn't live in VA for nothing. He did not return to Wyoming.

Obama was SUPPOSED to be change we could believe in. Just about everything Obama criticized W. for he has continued to do himself, from the War in Afghanistan to the Dungeon at Guantanamo Bay Cuba.

Disgusting, isnt it? It feels like such a slap in the face. Obama has done some good and considering the alternative of a McCain/Palin administration, I still think I voted for the best person for the job.

I just wish he was the man I thought he was. *sigh*

What kind of torture is he getting?

Torture was receiving whippings
then torture was receiving water poured on a covered face
Now torture is being in a prison cell?
Then what is it going to be? Torture is not being able to have a tivo in every cell with plush pillows on a tempurpedic mattress and a Starbucks in the morning while in a maximum security prison?

Is the same thing thats going on with the word "War". it is being used so often its losing its meaning.

It's only losing meaning to those who never had a grasp on its meaning in the first place.