Ron Paul says being anti-abortion is a Libertarian stance based in faith

A picture says a thousand words. +^d!

His son has already said he believes the civil right act was wrong.

Like Paul, Goldwater had his good points. For the record, Barry Goldwater was pro-choice. He also slammed the religious right, and said he thought Richard Nixon was a "god-damned liar." He wasn't afraid to piss off folks like Pat Buchanan or anyone else, although of course he was an economic Neanderthal.

But Obama's no Lyndon Johnson, and he well might lose to an genuine extremist next time around.

I'm glad you put it that way, because I feel exactly the same way.

I feel like if this were 1968, Obama would have ran on the Republican ticket.

I don't think you really understand how voting works.
Edited to add: in the real world.

The Holy Inquisition, not the inquest. :)

I stand corrected. I should have known that, my girlfriend is Catholic.

yes... ms v never minds correcting anyone...

The operative word is correct. I never mind being corrected constructively by a well meaning mentor.

I've dealt with them directly through business. If you are a disciple that is your business. I have no desire to associate myself with them politically. As for as intelligence is concerned you don't have a clue. I try not to make a habit of feeding the trolls that come here because they can't get intelligent replies on the on the teaCON sites. Every now and then I can't help myself.

If you are trying to turn your silly argument, and I say argument into a right or left proposition, then it makes for a silly preposition. I'm sorry for describing you as a disciple . Maybe you are an acolyte. As far as policies go that is what divides everyone. I also adhere to a few of his policies. Where we part is application, such as abortion. Parties are an terrible facts of political survival. His supposed party is libertarian. Still he chooses to run as a gop. When you can explain this as anything but an expedient convenience, let me know. If you are purely a provocateur let me know that too.Other wise please refrain from expending the effort.

Read the article . He said it. It was a quote. This fraud calls himself a Libertarian, which are a bunch of deluded economist to start with. Yet he runs on the gop ticket. That should tell you all you need to know.

When he says freedom what he is really espousing is freedom for corporations to run rampant. He isn't speaking of personal freedom. If it runs contrary to his right wing christian principles he will twist it any way he can to get the results he desires.

You just cast dispersion on my intelligence in a previous reply. And yet you can't hit the space bar when replying? It's words to not wordsto. Now who's the hypocrite?

It's up to each woman to decide.

Tell it to your state legislature..

Actually, according to Roe v. Wade, it is NOT up to each state to decide.

wtf should I? Roe v Wade protects women nationally

Roe vs Wade? wasn't that one of those cases before the $5 vs 4? Way back when the SCOTUS actually gave a damn about civil liberties. Good catch.

Which they have busily been doing. Parental notification, waiting periods, counseling sessions to discourage termination, mandatory ultrasounds, limiting access by trimester, defunding public health clinics--these are just a few ways states have been rendering Roe v. Wade toothless and immaterial. States' rights has often in the past been code for burying the rights of the individual. As today's 150th anniversary reminds us.

And what if the state decides to infringe on women's rights? What if the state decides that women should be forced to carry every and all pregnancies because if god didn't want a woman to get pregnant, she wouldn't have?

I think there is a point where the federal government has to step in and say no, you cannot let the states do what they will based on something that is not lawful.

I didn't put that picture with my comment. Why in the hell is it there?

One result of no abortions is state and religious orphanages. I hear those are great places to being up unwanted children. :(

Actually it still is very much is regulated by the states. The They can't outright ban abortion but
in response to Roe v. Wade, most states enacted or attempted to enact laws limiting or regulating abortion, such as laws requiring parental consent for minors to obtain abortions, parental notification laws, spousal mutual consent laws, spousal notification laws, laws requiring abortions to be performed in hospitals but not clinics, laws barring state funding for abortions, laws banning intact dilation and extraction (also known as partial-birth abortion)

Different states have different regulation or lack their of on access to abortions.

So my post to little wolf Roe v. wade prevents states from outright banning abortions. It's up to their discretion on how much or how little to regulate access to them.

And Some states have made abortions a state constitutional right

Tennessee is one only 16 states in the nation in which abortion is a state constitutional right. Its a mixed bag but chose wisely what state you live in .

Just like it should not be left up to each individual state whether or not they wish to practice slavery, it should not be up to each individual state whether or not they can limit a woman's choice, in any matter concerning her own body and well being.

state legislatures?

Because of state legislatures 16 states in the nation in which abortion is a state constitutional right. Can you even imagine that on the federal level, literally adding a constitutional amendment enumerating the right to an abortion in plain language to the constitution?

There are some bad states out there, but there are some real progressive ones as well.

No, it ain't. More often than not when states try to limit access to abortions, they get they butts kicked in federal court.

Don't take my word for it. Look it up.

Thanks for expanding my list. There's probably a lot more.

Not everyone can simply move to another state on a whim.

Change that "Paul" to "Barack," and we are in the same boat.

I see a lot of hate here directed at Ron Paul for merely having a difference of opinon.

I think people disliked him before he came out on this issue.

You kind of have to be to think that forcing a child to grow up in a broken and/or loveless home is the better option.

Well, to be honest, just having wandered into this folder, I can feel the anger and frustration coming from both sides.

And, being the idiot I am, I joined right in.

Part of the reason, IMO, RR is escalating his verbage (to the point that, IMO, he posted a veiled threat to V), is because he's the target of a posting gang-bang.

It's tough to be the only one in a folder where everyone else is attacking you. I have experience in that because I won't back down and I won't run from that kind of behavior.

But this is all just the nature of what happens on message boards when a hot-button issue is discussed on a website which is predominantly liberal or conservative, and someone from the opposite side wanders in.

Carry on.

Someone probably nuked their spawn and they feel rejected genetically.

Anti-choice is not a "difference of opinion" any more than saying slavery should not have been abolished is a "difference of opinion". It's a statement against women, condemning their choices, and whether or not the person states they would attempt to legislate against abortion or vote for such legislation, the implied threat is there, and it's very serious and very personal. If someone were to tell me to my face IRL that they vote anti-choice, they'd be picking their teeth up from the ground. It's a slap in the face.

Um...I think maybe you missed the deleted posts of the pictures of stacks of fetuses? They were extra special.....

"Hateful?" Are you kidding me? What is more hateful than murdering a helpless, innocent child in the womb of his "mother"? Oh, OK, tell me again how the womamn has every right to do what she wants with her own body. What an assinine, silly statement that has caught on. Forget the child; it's all about the poor pregnant lady who can't have her precious life disrupted by a rotten kid. Yea, right; hateful indeded. You jerks!

No, not a "difference of opinion", an asshole, that thinks he has a right to rule over a woman's body, and choices!

"it's all about the poor pregnant lady who can't have her precious life disrupted by a rotten kid".

Oh if only your mother had felt this way!

OK, real clever. Is it possible, though, that you can actually give a reasoned and intelligent reply to a simple question? Here is the two-part question: 1) Is it possible that there are some women who did not want their lives disrupted by having a baby, so they chose to destroy it? Simple question. See if you can answer it with out being cute. 2) Is that OK with you since it is "her body and she has the right to do what she wants with it"? Is that really OK with you? Is there any chance at all in your mind that that which is in her womb is human?

She probably did, but couldn't do anything about it.

Yeah, I mean, Ron Paul's not like some politicians who want to quote from the Constitution whenever it supports their political argument for that day, like Obama arguing the contitutional legality of the Iraq war for instance.

He's never waivered on the issue of being pro-life, but since people can't make the racist claim stick this time around they're trying the other divisive argument which is abrtion. Next, they will go for the whole gay marriage angle.

Anything except for debating the real issues which are big government, the wars and the economy.

What is being more "hateful" is appointing yourself to the omniscient position of trying to dictate other people's lives based on your misinformation & ignorance - and thinking you know it all,thereby giving yourself the "right" to crawl into the crotch and ob/gyn history of every woman in America. GET OUT! It's none of your business! And again - spare me the "religious" bullshit - Jesus never said anything about abortion.

I don't hate him for his opinion. I hate him representing himself one way and turning around and doing the exact opposite. In other words, I really hate what he represents.

How did your pregnancy work out? All men have two choices on this issue. We can butt the hell out because we will never be pregnant. The other is to follow a superstitious patriarchal dogma and keep trying to keep women in their place. Apparently your going with #2.

Thanks, David.

Obviously, I did miss those images. However, I did see his verbage escalate as the pressure from a lot of posters attacking/responding aggressively to him, increased.

It's just what happens. If you go to a posting site where others mainly feel the opposite of what you feel about issues, then you will probably become the target of a posting gang-bang from the others. There's no one there who feels like you do, so they can't take your back and take at least half of it.

No one is good or bad in this exchange. It just is what it is.

A. Can you get pregnant? If not, your opinion is meaningless.
B. How many children have you adopted who otherwise would have been aborted? If none, you are a hypocrite. Talk is cheap. Back yours up with deeds or shut the hell up.

Try being pregnant for one day, ONE DAY, then you can tell me about innocent babies and murdering mothers. Being pregnant isn't like holding a water balloon. The fetus takes everything and gives back nothing except toxins.

Sometimes women choose not to put themselves through that. I cannot blame them.

The mother's life is TIED to that of the child. Without the mother, there is no child. Without the child, a mother can still exist. When you do something as simple as walking across the street, you check to make sure it is in your best interest to do so AT THAT TIME, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH THOSE CARS. Something that simple gets a world of deliberation and consideration. But you would deny women the same agency to decide what is right for them in their situation?

You want babies to be born, but don't seem to care much about them once they actually are. What do YOU do to ensure that women who give birth to children they cannot raise have access to support?

I'm just slightly miffed that the photos were pulled, because now none of my barbeque jokes make sense.

Forcing a woman to carry out an unwanted pregnancy is hateful. Period.

It is YOU who would have your OPINION forced on others. It is none of your business what a woman does with HER body.

His posts were HORRIBLE. Calling women bitches and murderers. It was really him who was being a raving bully.

when you become a female you may ask those questions..
Till then- you don't have a dog in this hunt- so YOU fuck off-
You haven't posted anything intelligent about this issue so far.

Abortionists? Really? What is your problem?

We are not abortionists, we are pro women getting to make their own decisions, especially when it comes to private medical matters. Whether she decides to proceed with a pregnancy or not, we support her right to choose what is best for her.

You know, the FREEDOM to make our own fucking decisions instead of having our lives dictated to us by vicious, ignorant, inhumane people who care more about the "unborn" than they do about the actual living.

Look, if Ron Paul, or any of the other misogynist hacks who believe they have the right to tell me what I can, and cannot, do with my box, were REALLY "pro-life," they would cut off the dicks of men because THEN we could REALLY be sure no unwanted conceptions occurred.

BTW, it isn't "pro-life"...it's "pro-misogyny."

The Burkas are next.

So it would appear that fundamentally, Ron Paul us opposed to abortion, but according to his legislation, he doesn't want to take the rights of the woman away, he just doesn't want the government to use public funds for it.

You want an abortion, you go pay for it.

And yeah, abortionist is an acurate label for someone who is fighting for abortion rights.

He's not telling you can and can't do.

The only legislation he has on abortion doesn't take your precious right away, it just limits or prohibits using government funds to perform abortions.

No it's not. You want to label people to get an emotional response. Fine. Suit yourself

As far as paying for abortions ourselves, the more restrictions that are put on the procedure the more expensive the procedure becomes, so once again, only the rich will be able to afford to have it done safely.

I'm sure you are one of those people who bitches about mothers on welfare too aren't you? A person who is so ignorant that you have no issues with painting the poor into impossible corners.

Yes, I support government funded abortions, call me what you want.

I'll say it again: When human beings begin to cherish ALL life as valuable and we begin to live accordingly in our personal lives and it is reflected in our governance, then abortion will cease to be an issue.

Until then, mind your own fucking business.

You sound so hateful and angry, but I've come across many angry abortionists in my day who are hateful and angry so I'm quite accustomed to it. And no I don't bitch and moan about welfare mothers

Right on sister!

OK, now enough about cock snippin there sista. And yes, Jesus say's stay out of the womens boxes, damn it!

Look, "we" the people, whom pay their taxes, or not, we all pay, for the "problem" of unwanted pregnancy, no matter what! Who do you think weighs down society? It is all these unwanted children, and children being born by ignorant, children, who can't stop shooting out babies, that they can neither afford, or care for. They grow up and repeat the cycle. Send the babies back to Jesus, or are you thinking being born into a poor, ignorant, abusive situation is better than Heaven? You don't think their is a baby hell do you? If I was going to be born into that hell on earth, please, PLEASE, bring in the hanger or the hoover, just do NOT let me live that hell on earth.
Stop being a bunch of dumb fucks, and let women choose what to do with their own lives, and go mind your own fucking business!

Peace & Love,
JIAL

He is NOT suppose to tell US anything! He is supposed to work FOR THE PEOPLE! He is not our Dad! He is that weird ass, racist, hillbilly, Rand's Dad. Look how well he raised that weasel.

"And no I don't bitch and moan about welfare mothers"

Well YOU SHOULD!

I'm not telling you what you can and can't do with your body, and I can't see any evidence where Ron Paul is either.

Bleat on and on about "ignorant hicks" or whatever silly name-calling you want, but the the legislation Ron Paul puts forth doesn't say what you are claiming.

I'll be sure to remember that they are "NOT suppose to tell US anything" the next time gun control comes up

WHOA- He actually drafted anti-choice legislation? Whatta prick! Oh, but it only screws over POOR women by denying them public funds, so that's OK???. Separation of church and state, period. They Hyde Amendment was unconstitutional and should be overturned.

BULLSHIT. I pay taxes, some of those federal funds are MINE and abortion is LEGAL. Other health services are subsidized for the poor, abortion should not be excluded. Keep your stupid-ass religion OUT OF POLITICS AND OUT OF THE LAW BOOKS!!!!!

Perhaps people behave in a hateful, angry manner toward you because you're an ignorant asshole. Yep, that's definitely it.