Catholic group claims children raped by priests were ‘homosexual’ participants, not victims

So where is he on the viscosity scale? Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-)

The perfect Conservative Republican...

I was raised Irish catholic democratic person. Eventually I saw the light that in real life the church was hollow and empty. Im sad that the mechanism for solidarity is corrupt , comes down on the side of money vs people and that the Bush crime familys precious little nazi bishop is now the pope . It is too sick for words.

Parts of it are yes, like any organization it is made up of humans and humans are inherently flawed. Some of the most amazing people I know are part of this church, but they like the others are only one part.

Yes sir how should we make sure this message reaches the ears of these people which is blocked by the "Bible"??

Yes, on a technicality.

So instead of blood their hearts pump toxins into their body....hmm that makes a lot of sense

That's what I was going to say. +^'d

In the final analysis Artemis, the victim is always his/her own cause. Oh sure, they may not verbalize their request but instead they employ subtle "Body Language" to attract the predator.

This is a principle of longstanding efficacy. Catholic wins this one.

So a victim of abuse isnt really a victim at all, right? They are asking for it with their "subtle body language"? You are disgusting, I mean really disgusting. I wish you could see the body language im exhibiting towards you right now.

I'll give you a hint - It's not subtle, and It involves one finger.

Fuck the catholic church and all who attend!

Even if so, the priests are not to be held accountable? What, they have no self control? Aren't they supposed to be men of god, but since you purport that they were tempted all is to be forgiven? Not to mention that many of these men are multiple offenders. I'm sorry, but if you ask me these 'priests' are headed straight to gehenna after death. And for someone who purports that the papacy is corrupt and illegitimate, you sure are quick to jump to their defense - even in this, the crime of crimes.

All the priests, probably even the Pope, apparently all these people gravitate to becoming Catholics by the simple virtue of having too large a balls, plus an extra sex gene. No, I wouldn't call it "forgiving them" but we need to exercise the utmost compassion and engage our medical understanding of their having been born this way.

Hey, if the argument works for homosexuals it has to apply across the board, even and especially including all Catholic priests.

So when Society gives homosexuals a Pass it is strapped to do likewise to priests. There's no middle ground people, none, nada.

Catholic girls have long been observed to be incredibly over-sexed individuals, and Society has given them a Wink, Wink, Wink AND a Pass. Applies to females but the male priests get tossed into the oven of Gehenna eh? Dam the priests while everybody sitting in the church pews get forgiveness handed out and poured all over their head like Maple Syrup?

Something's wrong in Denmark

We're Ram Tough stuck with the priests just like their young victims.

To quote the faithful, "Amen."

I hope you are being sarcastic , though in extremely poor taste . If there is a quicker way to permanently end the church ( and rightly so ) , i do not know what it is !

Homosexuals are NOT pedophiles ! Are YOU repressed or something ?

Repressed people often over express, due to the conflicted psyches . That is what religion does , when it takes a biological need and twist it into something evil .

Biological need? Good. You have put pedophiles an homosexuals under the same roof where they all to a man ask to be forgiven => because "we were born that way". "We can't help ourself!"

Our genes made me do it!!! I have NEEDS!!! Catholic girls have fun too!!!

Both Religion and Anti-Religion using same excuse!!!

Whoopee!!!!!!!!!!! [said Ted Kennedy over 1,000 times with friend's wives behind 1,000 closed doors]. Kennedy got a Pass on Mary Jo Kopechne PLUS 1,000 other women therefore the priests and homosexuals also demand ~and must be given~ exact same permission slips and hall passes into ladies' bathrooms.

really right now? Really? Are you ok? Like seriously, I think there might be some things you need to deal with.

Dude , what little warrior said .... Get some help .

What happens between two consenting adults is nobody's business but their own, bringing a child into the mix is a totally different story, and you damn well know it. I'm not saying that compassion for the attackers is out of place, sure they have their struggles, their guilt ect, but that doesn't mean defend them and degrade the victim, it means that we can be clear on what they did and that it was wrong and move on from there.

Across the board WRONG yes, you're right. People need to stop doing ALL THAT STUFF and get back to the BIBLE while they yet have time to do so!

Exactly!

The bible was written by men, for men, it is just as flawed as they are. People need to stop getting so wrapped up in what is written and worry more about what is in their heart. God does not live in a book, or a church, he lives in the hearts and minds of his children and many who believe themselves to be his greatest followers are those who have not heard his voice in years becuase they spend to much time in the bible and not enough time in prayer. Stop speaking and start listening, you will find that God is far greater and more complex than any man can understand. Know that he is the God of love and bounty, of peace and forgiveness. Love and hate cannot live in the same heart and God is love, so then tell me how can he hate?

You read all kinds of fictional trash, why segment out the Bible? You aren't CHERRY PICKING ARE YE? SHAME SHAME!, for if you don't read it how is it you instruct ME as if you're an authority?

You just admitted to gross ignorance!!!

Man, you college people really, you lack a working brain.

"Catholic girls have long been observed to be incredibly over-sexed individuals, and Society has given them a Wink, Wink, Wink AND a Pass. Applies to females but the male priests get tossed into the oven of Gehenna eh? Dam the priests while everybody sitting in the church pews get forgiveness handed out and poured all over their head like Maple Syrup?"

Are you referring to young girls who happen to be Catholic, or are you referring to women who have taken a vow of abstinence but still have sex with children in spite of those vows? Because if you are referring to the ladder then you might have a point, but if you are referring to the former then that statement has nothing to do with the issue. There are two reasons why priests raping children is an issue, and both of them are in the first eleven words of this very sentence. They are priests, people who are supposed to be trustworthy and be held to a higher moral standard than others, even followers of their own flock. Raping children, it is a person who is not of legal age to give consent to engage in sexual actions with a person who is an adult.

Also, everybody sitting in the church pews does not get forgiveness. I severely doubt that known rapists (child or otherwise) murderers, thieves, physical assailants, etc., are forgiven as easily as you make it sound, especially if they are not really repenting and/or apologizing for their actions. And there is one other fact that highlights the priests actions, it has been enough of a problem within the priesthood that there is in fact a trend that society has recognized. It is not like only one or two priests did this, but dozens of priests did this and then were moved around so that they would not have to face punitive measures for their actions.

"Biological need? Good. You have put pedophiles an homosexuals under the same roof where they all to a man ask to be forgiven => because 'we were born that way. We can't help ourself!'"

The basic idea is that Catholics who were homosexuals would usually be placed into the care of the church in order to contain their "sinful" behavior because if they cannot have sex with anyone as a priest, then they will not be able to have "sinful" homosexual sex. The problem is that not everyone is cut out for the kind of lifestyle that has no means of sexual expression or activity, and many of those who were homosexuals were not given any real choice in the matter. They were just placed in the church so that they would be abstinent. Where this takes a further turn for the worse is that their sexual desires, be those desires homosexual or heterosexual, are still present (but because it is almost always homosexuals who are/were forced to join the clergy in order to curb their "sinful" desires, it tends to be homosexual priests who molest children). The whole reason why children tend to be molested is because they are an easy target. Many things children say can be brushed off as a lie, children are easier to manipulate than adults (usually), and children have few means to defend themselves against such an assault. Had a greater number of heterosexual people been forcefully indoctrinated into the clergy, you would probably have a larger number of young girls being raped by priests instead of young boys; however, that is also a sketchy generalization because a priest having a heterosexual affair is more acceptable in the catholic society in spite of the vow of abstinence.

" Kennedy got a Pass on Mary Jo Kopechne PLUS 1,000 other women therefore the priests and homosexuals also demand ~and must be given~ exact same permission slips and hall passes into ladies' bathrooms."

The primary difference between Kennedy's sexual affairs and the child molesting sexual affairs of the priests who performed such acts is that Kennedy was not having sex with any young children and (we assume) Kennedy did not forcefully rape or illicitly coerce/threaten the women he had affairs with.

We are all authorities but all authority is meaningless so in the end who cares. And I lack the working brain really? Have you ever tried complete sentences? They are real fun. I never said I dont read the bible I have read the bible cover to cover several times through, I used to be quite the little bible nut, I even read three translations at once, trust me it was just a headache and ultimately pointless exercise. And everyone is guilty of not following every law laid forth in the bible, unless you stone your children for disobedience, in which case why dont you just call cps now. Also does your wife leave town every time her Aunt flow comes to visit? Do you eat pork? Do you have sex I think its in Titus or maybe one of the peters, I'm not sure my bible is at home so I cant look it up right now, but one of those does warn that sex is bad.

Did all that reading and came away empty head eh? MORE SHAME THEN! And yes indeed you were a "nut" for keeping reading something you had not a clue how to understand.

You should desist from making these Public admissions.

That's what ya get for refusing to open the front door on Saturday mornings => WASTED WASTED TIME trying to do it on your own, which means you are 100%% AWASH IN PRIDE. Open the door next time and accept some REAL LITERATURE FOR ONCE.

Politicians are also ministers. Kennedy a man in power abused it and should receive the same sentence as the real priests. Why don't you give it a break trying to give people hall passes?

If one goes to Jail all should be buried under it with em.

What does sleeping in on Saturdays have to do with anything? Its the one day of the week I dont have to wake up so ya unless you call ahead knocking on my door on Saturday morning will get you no where. Why do you think that your understanding of the bible is superior to my own? Oh thats right because it is yours and not mine, that's fine, read the bible and believe as you wish that is your right, but do not think yourself able to push your beliefs on to me. It took many years of searching and prayer, I lost god and found him anew in a beautiful way. My journey is my own, dont think yourself right to insult and demean it. Do not forget the bible you put so much faith in "And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea." Mark 9:42

and what is this about "real literature" trust me whatever doctrine you are peddling I can take that bible you so love and rip your beloved doctrine to bits, when I was younger it was what I did for sport, now days I'm much nicer but that's what happens when you discover that Christ is in your heart and has been all along, soon as you start listening he starts talking a lot.

The world system is permeated with Satan (2 Cor. 4 v 4) especially since he and his demon pals lost the battle (Rev. 12) and were confined down here amongst us. If you hear any instructions it isn't likely reaching you from heaven. Only the 144,000 get that level of experience. Only they are Apostolic Class => Jesus' brothers on earth.

Methinks you are very busy elevating yourself to a station you are not in. Me also thinks therefore you didn't learn much reading 3 Bibles several times through in your personal quest to put together a package of God-Bible denying arguments.

Many today do that. Jesus stays clear of you. You're thinking Satan's thoughts, doing Satan's bidding, not his. You're out. Your thinking you are one of his flock is major deluded.

If you want to BE IN THE FLOCK you have to get out here and RUN WITH THE FLOCK.

All you are now is a lone wolf thinking you're a sheep.

Don't be such a man-hater. Being born with a penis doesn't make you an out of control rapist/child molester. I wish I could kick your teeth in for spreading such hateful lies about the many honorable men I've come to love and respect in my lifetime so far.

FYI Sex (even the homo kind) is a beautiful thing between 2 consenting adults based on mutual caring, desire and a variety of other reasons, some noble, some not. It is not a relationship based on mental/physical/emotional abuse or manipulation, or lording your position of power over another. Sex isn't something you get from another person, but something you share with another person.

Just to be absolutely clear (because you don't seem to get this) the words "sex" and "rape" are not interchangeable.

And unlike the gay gene, no baby raping gene has been found yet, though if I do find evidence of one, I'll be sure to share.

The arguments you wield are pitiable and weak. Science is on my side and such genes do exist. Not being found yet is a pitiable argument, very pitiable, and grasping.

Get to the Bible while time remains. The ark is sailing.

No, politicians are not ministers. A minister is not someone whom you elect, a minister is someone who is assigned to your church.

You are also ignoring the issue of consent and age of consent. Address them or move to a different topic, but please don't make the same argument you made before without addressing a valid point made against it. It makes your argument look weak.

I'm not so manic-compulsive as to feel a requirement to address every issue raised. Go find a manic-compulsive somewhere. They're coming out of the woodwork.

In other countries they are called ministers. The US is the aberration, not the norm you might want to think it is. Aim for some balance pleez.

And then are people like you who use words to incite others so they can have their ridiculous arguments with them. I hope you enjoyed all the inanity you've engaged in on this thread. Goodness knows it served no other purpose. Empty words flapping in the breeze without real meaning, just bait. Your life must be pretty pathetic.

And to the others who have tried to talk so sense to this idiot, you're wasting your breath. He doesn't care what you say as long as you argue with him.

I was conceived to live the life of a Hate Magnet, even all my life trying to help others, do people right and so on, and I still was a Hate Magnet.

I'm embracing who I am, the Hate Magnet. I do good, I do ill, I remain what I was conceived in a woman's womb to be.

I was greatly blessed to solve Lightning-obtained energy and the People's own Dept. of Energy refused to give it to you, so that I would remain the Hate Magnet.

Deal with it adults. If you can find one here.

No Bible for me thank you. I am a Pagan, and proud of it. I decided if I had to play the theological lottery and hope I chose the right deity, I'd hedge my bets and put my faith in a few: the God of all Gods, Zeus and who can object to worshiping the Goddess of wisdom, the practical arts and heroic endeavors, Athena are my personal favorites. My chosen faith also gives me the added bonus of some really great myths/stories, more entertaining, by far, then reading about the exploits of Job; and Moses's "righteous" slaughter of the calf worshipers is outright blasphemy. *shudders at the thought*

I feel no lack of anything in my life, but if I can offer some advice? I think you could use some wisdom to find a truly heroic endeavor, instead of supporting the lowest of the low in mankind, why don't you find something TRULY SACRED (like an innocent child) and protect that.

Sure, my response isn't an iron-clad rebuttal, but it's still faring better than your jelly clad one. You think calling it "pitiable and weak" is an argument (it's an insult, in case you didn't know)? Then assuring me that you and your infinite knowledge are more qualified to explain genetics and mentally map the genome than geneticists is supposed to be a valid point? Not to mention that fact that the only point you addressed was the last one. I guess the first 3 paragraphs just don't exist in your world, but that's OK. I'm pretty sure there's medication for delusions like yours (zyprexa, try it).

lol you're so pathetic, I'll let the others mop you up. As if you'd notice.

Its not that I am "hearing" instructions, well its complicated to explain, its more of an emotion. For example I used to rip apart them missionary folk when they came to my door, I would bust out my bible and just tear their doctrine to shreds, all from their beloved book, and I was good too, but after I had my little rediscovery in the forest, which is a longer and much more complicated story for another time, the missionaries came to my door agian, new blood from a new church here to preach their good word, and I got all ready to rip them to shreds and I just had this feeling of wrongness about what i was doing, then I cracked my bible and the first verse to pop out was Matthew 22:37-40 "37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." That was Christ saying love was the most important thing, he didn't say only love your fellow Christians, or only love your fellow countrymen, but love your neighbor, it doesn't matter who they are where they came from what they have done love them. That's how I talk to the lord, I listen, he finds a way to answer. I learned a lot reading the bible I read it again and I learn more, but when I read the bible my mind is open, I do not think about what I was taught by others, I read and I listen. It's an experience, you should try it sometime. His flock is a lot bigger than you think, but if you need to feel like your relationship with the lord is somehow exclusive thats fine. The important thing with god is that he always loves you all he really asks is that you love him. I think may hap you should spend some time reveling in the love of God and less time worrying about his wrath. But again thats up to you, I would not think to impose my beliefs only share.

Who are you define the flock, it is not up to you to determine who is in the flock and who is not, and it is not even for you to know the flock, only be with the flock. Be careful which shepherd you follow, the staff belongs only in the hands of the master, men try to take the staff and every time it ends badly.

Sharing your beliefs is imposing is pretty much the rule. I see your special knowledge & "understanding" is allowing you to write new rules. Interesting, lone wolf. So in your great newfound wisdom you've figured it all out to where we can all walk a separate path and still be in the flock eh?

I think others think the same thing. Must be the Nephilim instructions laying around in the college libraries. That kind of thinking you find to be so wonderful sounds a lot like people before the Flood, also people in Sodom & Gomorrah.

Your new path looks like the old path.

Listening to the demons is going to get you killed Lionheart.

Jesus btw has under-shepherds. They also carry a staff. They run around the flock making themselves available to the wolves, making themselves the main target.

Demons want you to believe something else, something convenient that doesn't require you to THINK.

My wisdom is not new found, there is nothing new about my path other than that it is new to me. I'm sure there are those who have walked it before, there will be others to walk it again. How do you know the philosophies of Sodom and Gomorrah or of the people before the flood. I will say this I dont remember reading about how the people felt, or how the people believe, if I remember they were pagans and the people of the flood had turned from god. Ill go read the stories again because I haven't in a while and I do enjoy a brush up of the old testament. And i haven't a clue what you refer to about the Nephilim instructions but I will gladly Google.

Well then tell me this how do you know the difference between the voice of god and the voice of demons? All the bible says of the voice of God is that it is a still small voice.

But I do think, quite a bit actually I do not blindly follow the instructions of men, rather I follow the path of my heart, you know that place where Christ lives.

Let's see. You drag me over the coals when I say something and then you tell me God has a small voice? You certainly are swallowed up by your own lines.

If you had ever had Christ speak to you you'd know it isn't in a low voice. hahahaha You write like a master but you are not. You are swinging at the air.

Your subtle insults show me your changed heart real clear. You have a well-developed act.

"I'm not so manic-compulsive as to feel a requirement to address every issue raised. Go find a manic-compulsive somewhere. They're coming out of the woodwork."

I'm not of the opinion that you should feel a requirement to address every issue raised; however, I do expect that you should address a strong point that is against your stance. I did not merely say that you are wrong, restate a fact that you have addressed or present a non-sequitor piece of information. I presented you with a serious hole in your reasoning and want to know how you intend to address it. Are you going to modify your reasoning to "fix" the hole, are you going to address the hole in your reasoning to discredit it as a hole, or are you going to ignore it and set sail, never to address the issue even when it becomes apparent that your idea has become the equivalent of a sinking ship?

"In other countries they are called ministers. The US is the aberration, not the norm you might want to think it is. Aim for some balance pleez."

They might be called ministers in other nations, but that does not make them the leaders who were appointed by religious organizations nor does it make them representatives of any church. Government officials are still elected in many of those nations regardless of what they are called. Some countries don't have states, but provinces.

Holy shit! You mean other nations call something that is identical to something we have by a different designation? Who would have thought?

You still have not addressed a very important distinction, the victims of the child rape were children and children cannot legally consent to sexual acts with adults. I am claiming that your example of Kennedy is bullshit on the premise that this is an issue of rape, and child rape at that. Kennedy was not a rapist, he did have sex with women who were married, and not to him, but it unless you can prove any of it was against the wishes of the women involved you have no grounds for a comparison.

No. I'm not going to kneel before you. You will think what you want to think anyway, no matter what I respond. Why would I, knowing that, expend the mental energy for? You are obviously unable to "let it go"".

I can and I will.

And who made you the judge of identifying sinking ships anyway? Perhaps my ship isn't sinking at all and it's the dry ground all of you are standing on that is sinking. I'm breathing good clean air and you're down there sucking up fumes and radiation.

A lot of you were pumped full of like living balloons in colleges.

lol We had to get a restraining order on the "missionary folk" in the neighborhood where I grew up. The Mormons liked to verbally abuse my siblings. I think having you around in your dark period would have been much more satisfying.

You people take the cake. You deserve a George Bush to lead your children on every Tom Dick and Jane cavalry charge imaginable to fill his quota of history book body bags! You deserve a Barack Obama.

You have dropped your every defense! A good boxer never drops his defense. Your zipper is down, your pants are down balls being grabbed, your borders are open, you admit everybody of every conceivable disease of both mind and body into your treasure chest => the United States of America you claim to love.

A real man protects what he loves. Major Fail. All of ya make me puke. You get what you deserve, apparently a big one in your rear looks like from here.

I pity the fool. Grow a backbone already. Stand up and face the wind.

I don't want you to kneel before me you jackass, I want you to answer a question I am posing about your position. I am not demanding that bow before some self perceived notion of my own all encompassing glory, but I am telling you that if you want to be taken seriously then you should answer a serious question that, especially if unanswered, makes your point look like something you carelessly pulled out of your ass. By the way, letting go of an argument like that tends to signify that someone is repeatedly giving you the same response despite the fact that the discussion is past that point because he/she is no longer capable of providing a valid argument, or it means that you have no valid counterpoint in the argument and you would rather use a tactic of false maturity as opposed to concede.

By the way, the sinking ship analogy, it was an analogy. If you want, I could try to come up with a different one, but then I am sure that you would question who made me the judge of (random analogy). And for your information, your analogy does not really work as such. Truthfully, I think it makes you seem a wee bit off.

"You people take the cake. You deserve a George Bush to lead your children on every Tom Dick and Jane cavalry charge imaginable to fill his quota of history book body bags! You deserve a Barack Obama."

Ah, that's cute, you're throwing a little temper tantrum. I have known children that do that when they lose and/or are losing arguments. Lets see if it actually goes anywhere.

"You have dropped your every defense! A good boxer never drops his defense. Your zipper is down, your pants are down balls being grabbed, your borders are open, you admit everybody of every conceivable disease of both mind and body into your treasure chest => the United States of America you claim to love."

Well that's jolly good and everything that you noticed, but you did not really exploit, expose, present or point out that weakness or dropping of defense. This seems reminiscent of the stereotypical middle school fight when one of the kids fighting realizes that he doesn't stand a chance in hell in the actual fight, so he goes for the, "are your shoes untied?" distraction in hopes that he can get a sucker punch in.

"A real man protects what he loves. Major Fail. All of ya make me puke. You get what you deserve, apparently a big one in your rear looks like from here."

A real man may be many things, but one thing a real man does not do is project definitions of what makes a man a man to others. Real men are made not through a single defined action be it simple, complex, general or specific. Real men are made by their own means regardless of whether or not you agree with them.

"I pity the fool. Grow a backbone already. Stand up and face the wind."

Mr. T soundbite, soundbite, and soundbite. Care to pose an original thought?

On a final note, "A lot of you were pumped full of like living balloons in colleges."

... Pumped full of what? I do not need any college education to know that this sentence is an incomplete thought, but then again I'm not very surprised given the attempted analogy that you gave earlier, though I am a bit frustrated.

Do you imagine I'm reading all that drivel? For a "jackass" I do pretty good, and I assure you there are SMART PEOPLE in this world -in every Major Player country- reading my every word, and they take me extremely seriously => without your approval.

#1 => Unlike you semi-retards they duped into not believing the Bible THEY DO BELIEVE IT, and

#2 => they understand I believe it and WAS NOT DUPED BY THEIR EVOLUTION SCAM TO KEEP YOU GUYS EATING STUPID PILLS; and

#3 => they also understand the depth of what I know; and

#4 => consider our Bible insights a threat, which

#5 => has caused them to speed up their plans by one solar year before any of you have time to see what they're doing, because

#6 => I shined the light upon them and they stand exposed [to anyone whose brain isn't stoned out on pot all the time standing around screaming about like whiny babies your right to have a sexual exciting weed cigarette filling between your lips til they find a breast to suck].

You don't have a clue what's coming down the pike.

A very big jackhammer.

You would really have thought so, the policy with Mormons was get drunk and flash my gay, Mormons have the added benefit of a whole extra book that lays out their beliefs pretty cut and dry, so you cant really use the bible against them, the book of Mormon gives them a leg up. So instead just get trashed and flirt it up. They usually take off and never look back by the time my skirt comes out.

What insults, I can assure you none were meant, but perhaps if you are reading them as such it is something you should be looking at. But really no intent to insult.

What coals, when you cross the line yes, you will see my teeth sure, I am human therefore I am flawed, it is part of who and what I am. If I were perfect I would have turned into a ball of light and shot off into the universe. But I like all other men, am flawed. Only god can claim perfection.

Oh, I'm sorry I called you a jackass. I did not realize that the guidelines of society prevented me from openly insulting you after you attempted to insult me in a subtle manner (though I will add that you really failed at the subtle part).

I guess that it is alright that you "do pretty good," but the fact that you do pretty good or not is not really a topic of discussion at this point. In fact it is kind of random.

It is nice that you are assuring me that there are "SMART PEOPLE" in this world, in every "Major Player country," whom are apparently taking you seriously. I'm not sure why smart people had to be completely in caps, unless you were trying to make a point. If that is the case you kind of excluded yourself from that group of people long ago in this argument and you are continuing to do so.

I do not know why you are making such a big deal over this approval of mine. I am claiming that your opinions require my approval to be legitimate, I am claiming that you are not addressing a serious flaw in your reasoning that I have pointed out. It would be similar to if you had a front wheel drive car and were putting snow chains on its back wheels so you could drive in the snow. If someone pointed that logical fallacy out, I'm sure that you, given how you are reacting now, would tear them a new one just for pointing out a mistake that you made.

And for your information, a lot of people around the world listened to every world George Bush said too, and took him very seriously. Do not worry, I am sure that many of them fell into, or close by, your category of "SMART PEOPLE."

unconscious

Sorry, I had a schedule conflict that prevented me from responding to your list.

"#1 => Unlike you semi-retards they duped into not believing the Bible THEY DO BELIEVE IT"

First, who is "they" who has duped us into not believing the Bible? The Bible is not proven to be factual (quite the opposite in many instances). There are people who believe in the messages that are within the Bible, but to blindly believe a mythological text is silly.

On an off topic note, I am willing to be called a semi-retard from someone who obviously seems to be a fully fledge mentally challenged person. It's like having a pedophile call you a pervert, sure the pedophile is meaning to insult you, but in contrast of what that person is can you really take the insult seriously?

"#2 => they understand I believe it and WAS NOT DUPED BY THEIR EVOLUTION SCAM TO KEEP YOU GUYS EATING STUPID PILLS"

I know, right? Science has duped people into believing all kinds of wacky shit that is against what is taught in the Bible and other religious texts, like the Earth revolving around the Sun, or the Earth being round. I mean, what kind of semi-retard believes that kind of "science" stuff when it is plainly a contradiction of the scriptures.

"#3 => they also understand the depth of what I know"

I hate to burst your bubble, wait... no I don't. The depth of what you know is pretty shallow. The problem is not that you are encouraging others to swim in a pool of visceral experience and knowledge that is too deep for them, the problem is that you are attempting to swim and encouraging others to swim in the equivalent of three inches of water. It does not work.

"#4 => consider our Bible insights a threat"

So, the people who understand what you are speaking and take you seriously consider your and their Bible insights a threat?

USE... PROPER... GRAMAR... AND... SYNTAX!

Here is a hint, read what you wrote out loud and if it sounds weird or incorrect, then it probably is.

"#5 => has caused them to speed up their plans by one solar year before any of you have time to see what they're doing,"

Are you in a cult, or perhaps a person who suffers from paranoid delusions?
Wait, I'm sorry, that sounded confrontational and/or passive aggressive. What I meant to imply was...
Are you a member of a VALID organized religion which might encourage the sacrifice of either yourself or others, and if or if not so, do you also also feel as though everyone is out to get you, even the squirrels in the park?

"#6 => I shined the light upon them and they stand exposed [to anyone whose brain isn't stoned out on pot all the time standing around screaming about like whiny babies your right to have a sexual exciting weed cigarette filling between your lips til they find a breast to suck]."

One, you have shined nothing on Jack shit, and to paraphrase Ash from Army of Darkness, "Jack left town."

Two, you obviously do not know anything about marijuana. For fuck's sake, I have never smoked the stuff and I know that marijuana is no more sexually exciting that alcohol. In detail that means that any sexual arousal begotten from smoking marijuana is more of a product of the individual who is smoking the weed than the weed itself. It is not ecstasy which turns every Goddamn touch into a euphoric and erotic sensation.

On a final note, as to me imagining that you are going to read, "all that drivel," I am going to assume no. Not because it displeases you to have someone actually make an argument that is beyond your abilities to debate against and/or comprehend, but because the writing you have posted forth brings serious questions about your current literacy level.

So to reiterate, no, I do not expect you to read all that I have written, but then again, I would not expect a fifth grader to either.

It's very unfortunate you went to the time & trouble to do all the reading up and study and then come away not knowing so much. But, you seem to have gotten what you wanted. That's what happens sometimes, the seed gets planted, sometimes takes root for a while, then Satan snatches yur roots out of the soil before they had time to get deep.

I hope you decide to try again. I hope you decide to get the rest of the story. It gets a great deal better once you latch onto the right religion.

There can be only one applies to more than the Clan McCloud.

Trading a puff of good high for eternal life and supreme happiness from being near our Creator, a pitiful poor trade. You lack what it takes, giving your strength entrusted to a drug.

See and thats just it everyone is completely convinced that their religion is the right religions but consider what if they are all right?

You have to ask God for help to find the one that carries his torch of Truth. There are many scriptures in both the OT and the NT that tell us in the End Times there would be one people, not many.

Obviously Jesus was certain the Pharisees were wrong, so it is with precedent we can know if Jesus was here now he would say a lot are wrong. He did say the road to life was narrow, and few the ones who would be on it, and a majority of the world's population is walking the wide road.

That's plain enough eh? There are many others. You know, when the Flood happened the people back then being only a short time following Creation and the garden of Eden, they were incredibly smart, so they no doubt had developed even much higher philosophies than are circulating around today.

But when the ark floated away they all had to fight off lions and crocs for the tops of the dry land. It will be the same way at Armageddon. The angels are going to surround us and protect us. Everybody else has a problem.

Most of the prophets of most of the religions speak of how exclusive their way is, however if we are all his children then how can he hate all but a few of us? And how much of what was written in the bible was written not by the prophets but those who would twist their words to gain greater power?

He doesn't hate. In fact, a great worldwide preaching work is being directed by his son right now, plus the angels are out here in droves checking out everybody. There's a tremendous amount of effort being expended to reach every person who will accept Bible Truths.

If you let doubt swallow you up plus you keep expressing doubts well, you're chasing the help away. The Bible is funny like that. For us to get blessings we first have to believe the blessings will come. It may not sound fair but, it's the way it's done. You believe then God fills your plate with seconds and thirds.

I was raised in the Baptist and we had Thanksgiving dinners like everyone else, but I've never been this stuffed before. I can barely remember all the stuff I'm learning. It's a smorghasbord.

Tell ya what. Look up these scriptures that indicate God will choose one group as well as how He rejects some also. (1) Acts 15 v 14 (2) 2 Timothy 2 v 22 (3) 1 Peter 2 v 9 (4) Mt. 21 v 43 (5) Matthew 23 vss 37-38 (6) 1 John 2 v 3

Then also keep in mind that the first Israel of God was physical whereas the 2nd Israel of God is a spiritual nation, then you will be well on your way my man.

And if you want in the flock He will make sure you get called, and sure you are told what you need. As in fact has already happened.

You come on over to a Kingdom Hall and start picking up where you left off, and join us the greatest shower of real meat Bible information to ever be poured out.

Here, some links to Bible passages that will help you compare "our translation" against some others you're already familiar with =>

http://concordance.biblebrowser.com/al3/

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/23791/eVerseI...

and for our NWT (New World Translation) go to this page and the top menu choose Publications. It will be the choice at the top => http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060715/article_02.htm

You really are a borderline illiterate, ignorant, fuck aren't you?

I have never smoked marijuana. I never claimed that I have smoked marijuana. You are projecting your own delusions upon me. Stop making shit up in your pathetic little mind to respond to and respond to what is actually written in this discussion.

I see. You want to control me. Order me about. Too bad.

My "pathetic little mind" says you're a very strong candidate for a major coronary and at the very least a series of TIA brain strokes, if not on the verge of a major brain aneurysm already. If you smoke cigarettes, quit now. Get some Ginkgo Biloba it will dilate your blood vessels back open. Otherwise you're in a world of hurt I've already been through.

Enjoy the strokes. As for the major heart infarctions and anginas if you practice a breathing technique purse your lips together as you exhale, it will press oxygen molecules into the tongue and inner cheeks and press O2 into the capillaries, delivering very fast oxygen into your brain and heart.

Or, close your eyes. Your choice.

I'd say nice dodge, but who would I be kidding?

"I see. You want to control me. Order me about. Too bad."

I cannot honestly see why anyone would want to "control" someone as mentally dysfunctional as you. Seriously, I've gotten more intelligent responses from my dog when I tell it to drop the ball, and not because the dog drops the ball but because the dog actually show some kind of thought when it tries to maneuver the ball away from me so that it can keep the ball.

You are also projecting again, this time with a list of possible health issues you think I have. I am an active person with a fairly low blood pressure and a low stress life. There is no risk of aneurysm in my family history, nor do I practice a lifestyle that increases my risk for having one. The same can be said about heart conditions, tumors, mental illness, etc.

Now, it is ever so endearing that you are showing a concern for my health; however, flattering as that is you still are trying to dodge the question that I posed earlier as well as the points which I have made.

How in the hell did Kennedy having multiple consensual affairs with married women in any way, shape or form relate with or equate to the child molestation which was performed by Catholic priests?

The next implied question to be answered is if you will actually address the question of Kennedy that I have posed (that is called standing your ground), or will you ignore it and make other impromptu remarks about things you have no reasonable knowledge about and/or of? ( And that is called running away)

Okay, well, do what you want but your acid level is high and that means cancer and other diseases are in the works for you. My analysis was not incorrect, only perhaps premature before the symptoms have shown up for you.

I do that sometimes. It's a good way to be, telling people what's going to happen not try to triage them back from poor health hell after it has happened. You are a thankless old cuss. Okay, so wait for it if that's your highest intellectual choice you can muster.

My acid level is high eh? It must be nice to have powers beyond those of mere mortals which allow you to know things about other people whom you have never met. Here I was making rational observations based upon the intellectual level of your comments as well as your inability to consistently form grammatically correct sentences. But you have shown me that you are truly blessed in the area of perception, for you can determine the physical health conditions of others without ever actually meeting those people or seeing the results of their medical tests. It is truly a wonder to how you have become so wise.

Oh, I'm sorry, I misspelled "fucking incompetent" as "blessed" and "falsely projecting" as "wise."

Since you seem to have expressed a willful defiance to authority which I have not presented or pretended to present, I'll play into that game now and see where it goes.

Get back on topic and answer the question I posed, "How in the hell did Kennedy having multiple consensual affairs with married women in any way, shape or form relate with or equate to the child molestation which was performed by Catholic priests?"

A response that amounts to a simple "I do not know," will be treated respectfully. A response which is a serious argument which does not fall into an obvious fallacy will be debated or conceded to depending on where it leads.

HOWEVER, attempts at dodging the question by either projecting your own delusions upon myself or by rambling about the end of days in any manner (coherent babbling or not) will be taken as an admission that this debate is over, and you are in fact my little bitch. This bullshit has gone on long enough, so either concede, make an argument, or make the very obvious official; that this has not been an argument between minds, but a fucking smack down leaving you only able to respond as an online troll rather than a human.

Actually no. You haven't come close to matching my mind. And yes, I apparently do have heightened abilities in diagnosing others. I had a broken back when I was 11 and later on I realized I could spot people walking down the sidewalk who had back problems. So then I went on to have numerous other health issues and later found I could spot them also.

All of which makes you a fool to keep mouthing off.

Add some alkaline foods to your diet and lighten up on the sodas and acid-leaning foods and drinks and you'll get straight. I want you to be healthy when the angels arrive.