Reporters Now Mocking US Bogus 'Transparency' On Human Rights Issues on PFC B. Manning
source: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110412/10452913869/even-mainstream-reporters-now-mocking-...
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Now, I think it's clear that the Chinese government's level of abuse is significantly higher than the US governments. I don't think anyone is seriously arguing otherwise. But just the fact that the US fails on so many of the facets it dings other countries for certainly looks really hypocritical, kills off any moral high ground the US might have, and makes it easy for others to totally dismiss US complaints about human rights violations elsewhere.
In other words: the US's weak record on human rights completely and totally undermines its claims of caring about human rights elsewhere.
Of course, historically, many in the press were willing to mostly ignore the US's own human rights issues, but it seems that more and more are recognizing problems here. Reporters from both the Associated Press and Reuters (Matthew Lee and Arshad Mohammed) -- about as mainstream press as you can get -- did a nice job challenging State Department spokesperson Mark Toner on these issues, noting that just as the US has condemned China and played up its own role in being "transparent," it's denying the UN access to Bradley Manning in the UN's investigation over whether or not Manning is being tortured.
LEE: Can you explain why, if the United States is proud of its human rights record, that the UN special rapporteur has complained that you're not allowing him independent access to Bradley Manning?
TONER: We've been in contact with the UN special rapporteur. We've had conversations with you in terms of access to --
LEE: With me?
TONER: I'm sorry. We've had conversations with the special rapporteur. We've discussed Bradley Manning's case with him. But in terms of visits to PFC Manning, that's something for the Department of Defense.
LEE: And the ICRC with the same problem? You are -- the State Department is the direct contact with the ICRC. At least it was for the Guantanamo inmates. Have you had any contact with them?
TONER: I'm not aware. I don't know. I’d have to look into that. But in terms of the UN special rapporteur, we've had conversations with him. We have ongoing conversations with him. But in terms of access to Manning, that's something for the Department of Defense.
MOHAMMED: If you welcome scrutiny, where's the harm?
TONER: I said we're having conversations with him. We’re trying to work with him to meet his needs. But I don't understand the question.
MOHAMMED: Well, you said you welcome scrutiny from outsiders of the United States human rights record --
TONER: Right. We do.
MOHAMMED: -- that you feel that it speaks to the strength of the U.S. system. So why does it take very lengthy conversations to agree to let a UN special rapporteur have access to an inmate?
TONER: Well, again, for the specific visitation requests, that's something that Department of Defense would best answer. But look, we've been very clear that there's a legal process underway. We've been forthright, I think, in talking about Private -- PFC Manning's situation. We are in conversations, ongoing conversations with the special rapporteur. We have nothing to hide. But in terms of an actual visit to Manning, that's something that DOD would handle.
LEE: Well, but you have conveyed messages from DOD back to the UN on this?
TONER: Well, no. We're just -- look, we're aware of his requests. We're working with him.
LEE: Can -- you said you've been forthright in your discussions of his treatment. It seems to me that the only person who was forthright in discussions of his treatment resigned several days after making those comments. What -- can you explain what you mean by you've been forthright in terms of his treatment?
TONER: He is being held in legal detention. There's a legal process underway, so I'm not going to discuss in any more detail than what I -- beyond what I've just said because there's a legal process underway.
LEE: So that's what you mean by forthright?
TONER: I can't discuss -- I can't discuss his treatment.
(more tongue lashing at link)
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Ricky84
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Our government by no means sets the standard for an acceptable human rights record. Infact congratulating the US for its human rights record is kind of like congratulating a pedophile for OCCASIONALLY suppressing the urge to go rape by looking at child porn.
One of the best examples I can give concerns our prosecution of war crimes immediately after WW2. Nowadays we make a big show of how virtuous we were by stopping those evil Nazis and Japanese. Truth be told though Douglas MacArthur granted immunity, across the board, to Japanese scientists and doctors involved with torturing Chinese, Soviet and even American POWs so long as they handed over the findings from those studies.
In the end our government decided it was better to have an edge in the biological arms race then to prosecute the individuals responsible for systematically torturing, experimenting and killing over half a million people. Google Unit 731 for more info.
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Ricky84
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Leen61
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This country deserves to be mocked for Bradley Manning's treatment. Who the hell are we to say something about China's human rights issues? Not only do we torture abroad, we torture here at home. This country doesn't have a leg to stand on. We are no longer country of laws. Give me a break.
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Leen61
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noxidereus
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Quote from the article:
"It seems to me that the only person who was forthright in discussions of his treatment resigned several days after making those comments."Spot on! Of course Lee is referring to P.J. Crowley, who was forced to resign after giving his honest opinion about the horrible treatment of Manning.
Our government is torturing a U.S. soldier for telling the truth and exposing injustice. He is a hero. There is far too little outrage over this. If we continue to not give a crap, the future of America looks to me like how it is in China. A vote for Obama is a vote for torturing our own soldiers and hiding the truth. Do not re-elect Obama!
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noxidereus
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Mark701
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I like his line of aggressive questions and follow up questions. Makes me wonder where all this good journalism was during the Bush Administration.
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Mark701
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Dagum
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If Obama can unilaterally start a war to engage in a humanitarian intervention to stop a dictator from torturing his people, can't Obama do another humanitarian intervention to prevent our own government from torturing Bradley Manning?
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Dagum
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noxidereus
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Dagum:
Good point, but Obama seems to be perfectly fine with torturing U.S. soldiers, and unfortunately for Manning -- he is not an oil rich country.
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noxidereus
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corderodedios
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Manning's actions have taken on a heroic character, not in small part due to the Administration's actions. Our national infrastructure - our evil Corporate masters - must hide the truth, in everything from healthcare to taxation to duplicity in foreign affairs.
Venting's just fine, but nothing will come of just blogging and venting.
What is to be done?
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corderodedios
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noxidereus
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corderodedios:
I don't know. Do you? I'm at a total loss.
One benefit of blogging/venting is just getting the word out. I guess that's the first step. The more people who know, the more can be done... but I don't know what can be done about anything I vent about. I wish I did. The Democrats aren't listening to liberals because they don't have to. All they need to do is scare liberals into voting against the more evil alternative. We have to stop voting for Democrats who aren't even close to liberal. That's my small part. I'm not going to vote for Obama. This Manning situation is only one reason.
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noxidereus
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corderodedios
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noxidereus:
I agree about Obama, but we'll see. I've entertained false hopes too often to think he'll turn around. The hope/change thing turns out to only be flatulent campaign slogans. For me, voting for Obama at this point would be a dishonest and dishonorable thing to do.
Blogging/venting does not much get the word out. Here at current, most folks are like-minded to a great extent, though there's a lot of name calling here and there. What's important is to act. I've joined my local legislative district Democratic organization and go to the meetings, and while I speak my mind I mind my manners.
Activists who got coordinated and did this sort of thing got George McGovern nominated in '72, but of course at the time he was unelectable vs. Nixon. But we all know how Nixon turned out. Perhaps now a sane and intelligent candidate can win. It could have happened in 2008, but we were all blindsided by Obama turning out to be a Neocon in sheep's clothing.
So there's one possibility. Find out when your local Democratic legislative district meets and go. Sign up and pay your dues - it's cheap - and vote. Do it. Tell everyone you know to do it.
Of course, there's always pitchforks, torches, and paving cobbles, but that's when all else fails. Meanwhile, get out of dollars and make sure you know where the exits are.
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corderodedios
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Darevalo
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is there no way for us to demand action on anything anymore? i write letters, e-mail and call but no reply it feels like talking to a wall... thats on the other side of the country...
then they wonder why the youth vote is lazy.
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Darevalo
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Germany is now protesting the conditions of Manning's imprisonment.
Really...how far will Obama drag us down before the entire international community?
I thought it was impossible for a president to harm America's international reputation more than GWBush did--but, damn, I was wrong.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/german-parliamentary-committee-protests-wiki...
GERMAN PARLIMENTARY COMMITTEE PROTESTS WIKILEAKS SUSPECT'S DETENTION CONDITIONS IN U.S.
By Associated Press, Wednesday, April 13, 11:09 AM
BERLIN — Germany’s parliament says its human rights committee is protesting against the conditions in which a U.S. Army private suspected of giving classified material to WikiLeaks is being detained.
A statement from parliament’s lower house Wednesday said committee members appealed in a letter to President Barack Obama for him to ensure “humane” conditions for Pfc. Bradley Manning.
It says committee chairman Tom Koenigs wrote that his current detention conditions “are unnecessarily hard and have a penalizing character.”
Manning is being held in solitary confinement in Quantico, Virginia, for all but an hour every day. He is stripped naked each night and given a suicide-proof smock to wear to bed. Amnesty International says the treatment may violate Manning’s human rights.
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PoliticalAmazon
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Mark701
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PoliticalAmazon:
May violate his human rights? May? The DoD is hoping this guy loses it, if he hasn't already. What Medieval torturers did to the body, the military is doing to this boys mind. There is NO justification for this and the military's sole motivation is sadistic revenge because he made them look bad.
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Mark701
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PoliticalAmazon
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Mark701:
Mark, look at Manning's right eye (the one on the left) in the "after" picture. There's been some kind of damage to make the one eyelid droop like that.
It could be brain damage, or a localized nerve damage. But something significant has been done to him and, looking at his appearance, I don't think it's a botox injection gone bad.
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PoliticalAmazon
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Mark701
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PoliticalAmazon:
He looks drugged to me.
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corderodedios
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PoliticalAmazon:
Thank you for the picture. It says a million words.
Have you read Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival?" There's an audio version I listened to in the car and Chomsky, in the introduction, articulates the revulsion the overwhelming majority of the rest of the world feels towards the US. It's frightening.
My overseas friends are polite, but often enough the conversation has turned to what is wrong back here. Most appalling to them is that we routinely resort to torture, in contravention of the Geneva Convention, and sometimes torture people to death. These people know that the US Constitution makes adherence to treaties the Senate ratifies the law of the land - this makes us a renegate State in their eyes.
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corderodedios
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madammarsh
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Leonard Peltier has been in prison over thirty years. People all over the world, including the Dalai Lama and Bishop Tutu have petitioned for clemency or at least a new trial. Last chance for new trial denied within the last few months, 'pardon' never going to happen. If it did, he probably wouldn't be allowed to survive the trip back home. In prison he has been denied medical help for a jaw problem that has rendered him unable to open and shut it, so has been on liquid diet for some while. U.S. claims to have no political prisoners. Ha.
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madammarsh
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Richard_Wyatt
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news reporters doing their jobs. quick stop the presses. bradley manning does not deserve the treatment he is getting
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samthesixth
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This administration should be mocked for its failure to be transparent.
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rodstradamus
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Who isn't mocking this country? Its a laughing stock. The Iron Curtain has Fell Over America long ago. If you don't know about 9/11 Truth and the New World Order by now, you're a brainwashed clown.
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rodstradamus:
Hey I'm not brain washed. But I can take yours out an dust it off for ya :)
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PoliticalAmazon
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ITA with the premise of this folder.
When the Associated Press is mocking a State Department Spokespeep, you know the Obama administration's credibility is in the toilet.
Obama is flipping off the entire nation and, indeed, the entire world, by holding an American citizen under conditions that are consistent with "torture," and, at the same time, claiming his administration is transparent and he has the right to arrogantly point fingers at, and talk down to, the Chinese over their human rights abuses.
Even GWBush didn't imprison and torture an American citizen, under the kind of "transparency" one has read about in gulags.
Obama really is WORSE than GWBush.
And I think America and its citizens are in far more danger from Obama than they were from Bush/Cheney.
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PoliticalAmazon
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Mark701
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PoliticalAmazon:
Has anyone questioned Obama directly about this young man? I haven't read any of his comments regarding him.
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lazloman
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This is a real shame. When bin Laden was releasing videos, he said one of his goals was to force the US to compromise on its principals. It seems we've done just that.
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lazloman:
OBL couldn't have done it by himself...he needed the help of two U.S. presidents to do it.
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Angeliron
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"We pour your coffee, we mow your lawns, we cook your food... Don't Fuck with US!"
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monkeyeatmusic
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Wow, he's not even good at saving face....
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ejasun
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UN looking into WikiLeaks suspect's (Pfc. Bradley Manning) treatment.
The UN office for torture issues in Geneva said Wednesday it received a complaint from one of Pfc. Bradley Manning's supporters alleging that conditions in a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va., amount to torture. Visitors say he spends at least 23 hours a day alone in a cell.
The Pentagon has denied mistreating Manning. A Marine Corps spokesman says the military is keeping Manning safe, secure and ready for trial.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address...
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ejasun
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PoliticalAmazon
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ejasun:
The url posted is to Democratic Underground. That is not the source of the article. The source of the article, according to the url in the post at DU, is WashingtonPost. When one clicks on the url posted in the DU article, the web page is invalid ("article not found").
The posts from DU folder the url goes to are dated 12/22/2010--that is really quite old for such a popular issue..
A search at the WP website for "Bradley Manning" only has articles back to 1/21/2011.
If one wanted to spend more time than I have already spent trying to verify your post, one could do an internet search for -- what? There really isn't anything in your post to even do a google search with--unless you want to wade through 150,000 articles cued for "Bradley Manning" and "Lee," there is simply no way to trace back the source you provided.
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This is just my opinion, here, so take it for what it is worth.
Democratic Underground is probably, outside of the FreeRepublic (freeper), one of the most heavily censored message-board system I have encountered. They allow their moderators free run, with the general censorship mantra being "no anti-Democratic-Party posts allowed."
During election season, especially, the censorship "policy" appears to be designed and implemented from the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.
I will click on a url leading to DU, but would never use it as a source because:
1. It is so heavily censored--what you are promulgating is DU's management and moderators' presentation of what they want the Democratic Party online community to appear to the world--anything posted there has to be verified before it can believed.
2. It is so heavily censored that often the posts referenced are gone by the time another poster clicks on the url.
In this case, simply going to the WP article would have ID'd the problem with the WP url. Then, when the invalid WP page was found, doing a search would probably have cued to to the article being so old, it wasn't even coming up on a WP search.
Okay, that's it. As I said, this is just my opinion...your mileage may vary.
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PoliticalAmazon
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twinite
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I think he was just forthrightedly shut down.
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