War in Libya started on fabrications of 'bloodbath' in Benghazi?
source: http://articles.boston.com/2011-04-14/bostonglobe/29418371_1_rebel-stronghold-civilians-rebe...
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EVIDENCE IS now in that President Barack Obama grossly exaggerated the humanitarian threat to justify military action in Libya. The president claimed that intervention was necessary to prevent a “bloodbath’’ in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city and last rebel stronghold.
Misurata’s population is roughly 400,000. In nearly two months of war, only 257 people — including combatants — have died there. Of the 949 wounded, only 22 — less than 3 percent — are women. If Khadafy were indiscriminately targeting civilians, women would comprise about half the casualties.
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samthesixth
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Pull out now. It's not a kinetic military action, it's an un-thought out escapade. Declare victory and be done.
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ZiggyStrange
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First of all this is not news it's an editorial.
From your link
OP-ED | Alan J. Kuperman
You also changed the headline.
voted down for being a bold faced lie.
So Kuperman decides that since the bloodbath did not happen it did not need to be intervened with. Awesome logic.
He conveniently ignores that there was an intervention, and it accomplished it's intended purpose which was to stop the bloodbath.
Yet he uses that very fact to indict the intervention.
He's playing games as he always does, and you should not be making up your own headlines to push your agenda.
The intervention was not predicated on there having been a bloodbath, it was to prevent one. Which so far it did.
This thread is propaganda.
See for yourselves and vote it down.
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ZiggyStrange
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maasanova
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ZiggyStrange:
I listen to the BBC every morning and they are still carrying on about this imaginary massacre, when even the very liberal but pro-war NPR has stopped reporting on any such massacres.
Cry and huff and puff and call me a liar and propagandist, but the bottom line is that there has been no evidence of any "massacres" in Libya.
The pretext for war in Libya was just as contrived as the pretext for war in Iraq.
There was no WMD, there was no massacre.
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maasanova
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maasanova:
Where did I say there was a massacre in Libya?
Why do you need to lie. My post is right above yours?The bloodbath that was threatened / promised was averted / stopped.
It did not happen because of NATO / UN / US stopped it.Spin all you want. It's still a lie.
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maasanova
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ZiggyStrange:
Ther were reports of a Libyan "genocide" as far back as February 23, 2011 when only 61 people had been killed. By mid March, the same media that lied about WMD in Iraq were reporting that up to 1000 people had been massacred, but they were making it seem like thousands more had been killed.
There was no proof of a massacre. It was all propaganda just to get support for a war in Libya.
And sending in troops to prevent a massacre when you can't even prove that there ever was a massacre is ludicrous.
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maasanova
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maasanova:
Here now go make up another BS thread.
http://www.google.com/search?q=gaddafi+threatens+massacre&ie=utf-8&oe=ut...:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Gaddafi threatens mass killings as popular rebellion spreads
Feb 23, 2011 ... Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi threatened widespread massacres against his own people in an appearance on state television Tuesday.
www.wsws.org › Home › World News - CachedNow Oil Is Jumping, As Qaddafi Threatens To Massacre Protesters ...
Feb 22, 2011 ... Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/now-oils-jumping-as-qaddafi-threatens-to-massacre... ...
www.businessinsider.com/now-oils-jumping-as-qaddafi-threatens-to-massacre-protes... - Cached
Videos for gaddafi threatens massacrehttp://news2.onlinenigeria.com/world/83820-Therell-mercy-tonight-Gaddafi-threate...
'There'll be no mercy tonight': Gaddafi threatens rebels with a massacre as Obama goes to UN for no-fly zone - 1 year ago
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maasanova
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ZiggyStrange:
No the story is changing now.
You may not have said it personally, but prior to the three stooges Obama, Sarkozy and Cameron's plans of boots on the ground, the story was that Qaddafi was murdering hundreds, maybe thousands of people.
According to Current and all of the other Obama war cheerleaders, Libya was already a massacre that needed to be stopped, not one that had to be prevented.
This is what is called "moving the goal posts."
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maasanova
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PoliticalAmazon
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Obama has been dishonest about his reasons for his illegal commitment of the U.S. to his Libyan War since the beginning.
Remember, no foot soldiers would be sent to Libya? Then we hear about thousands of Camp Lejune Marines already there, some of whom participated in the rescue of the pilots whose plane ran amuck on them?
Then recently Matt Taibbi revealed a U.S. Fed bailout of a bank controlled by Libyans. And this bank has two offices in the U.S. Why is this bank exempt from the Obama sanctions against business in Libya?
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/why-is-the-fed-bailing-out-q...
Why is the Fed Bailing Out Qaddafi?
Matt Taibbi. 4/1/2011Barack Obama recently issued an executive order imposing a wave of sanctions against Libya, not only freezing Libyan assets, but barring Americans from having business dealings with Libyan banks.
So raise your hand if you knew that the United States has been extending billions of dollars in aid to Qaddafi and to the Central Bank of Libya, through a Libyan-owned subsidiary bank operating out of Bahrain. And raise your hand if you knew that, just a week or so after Obama’s executive order, the U.S. Treasury Department quietly issued an order exempting this and other Libyan-owned banks to continue operating without sanction.
I came across the curious case of the Arab Banking Corporation, better known as ABC, while researching a story about the results of the audit of the Federal Reserve. That story, which will be coming out in Rolling Stone in two weeks, will examine in detail some of the many lunacies uncovered by Senate investigators amid the recently-released list of bailout and emergency aid recipients – a list that includes many extremely shocking names, from foreign industrial competitors to hedge funds in tax-haven nations to various Wall Street figures of note (and some of their relatives). You will want to see this amazing list when it comes out, so please make sure to check the newsstands in two weeks’ time.
This list became public as a result of an amendment added to the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill that was sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The amendment forced the Federal Reserve to open its books for the first time and make public the names of those individuals and corporations who received emergency loans and bailout monies during the roughly two year period between the crash of 2008 and the passage of the Dodd-Frank bill.
As Bernie’s staff was going through this list, it found, among other things, some $26 billion in extremely cheap loans (as low as one quarter of one percent!) extended to this ABC bank over a period of years, beginning in December of 2007 and continuing through as recently as February of 2010. The senator sent a letter to Ben Bernanke over the winter demanding more information about this loan (among others) but the response he got was completely unhelpful.
When I first started working on this story, one of Sanders’s aides was careful to point out the ABC loans. Later, I took a closer look at the company and found that it was 59% owned by the Central Bank of Libya, which I found very odd, even by the generally insane standards of the bailout era. Why, I wondered, would the Federal Reserve be giving Muammar Qaddafi $26 billion in near-zero interest loans? Exactly how does that address America’s financial problems? What bailout plan could that possibly be part of?
It gets weirder from there. Sanders’s office subsequently found out that ABC is not only exempt from Obama’s sanctions, it has two functioning branches here in New York City. In a letter he sent yesterday evening to Ben Bernanke, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, and Office of the Comptroller of the Currency chief John Walsh (the banking regulator with purview over the New York branches), Sanders put it this way:
Why would the U.S. government allow a bank that is predominantly owned by the Central Bank of Libya – an institution on which the U.S. has imposed strict economic sanctions – to operate two banking branches within our own borders?
Neither the Fed nor Treasury so far has offered explanations for these loans; the Treasury has so far only explained why ABC was not subject to sanctions and pointed to the March 4th order when I contacted them.
The ABC loans are just one example of the Fed’s bailout madness. Again, there are 21,000 transactions on the Fed’s list of released names, and “every one of these... is outrageous,” as one Sanders aide put it. You will be shocked, for sure, to find out who else is on that list. We’ll have a lot more on those other loans in the next issue of Rolling Stone.
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PoliticalAmazon
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PoliticalAmazon:
Yeah well, not such a big secret, and not as you paint the waiver of sanctions on this particular bank. Keep spinning your propaganda web, you may catch some flies.
Read the executive order. It's not applicable to this bank as written. No waiver was issued after the fact for this bank which is organized under the laws of Bahrain.
“all transactions are authorised with financial institutions owned or controlled by the Government of Libya that are organised under the laws of a country other than Libya”.
http://www.arabbanking.com/En/AboutABC/Media/Press/Pages/ArabBankingCorporationn...
Arab Banking Corporation not subject to asset freeze by US or UN
27/02/2011
Manama, Bahrain: Arab Banking Corporation (B.S.C.) (“ABC”) confirms that neither ABC nor any of its subsidiaries are subject to the asset freezes specified in the US Executive Order or UN Resolution 1970 and that all members of the ABC Group are able to transact freely in the United States and elsewhere.
The ABC Group has a policy of rigorously complying with all applicable sanctions and has conducted, and will continue to conduct, all its dealings in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.
The Central Bank of Libya owns 59.3% of ABC and the Kuwait Investment Authority has a 29.6% stake in the bank. ABC, which was established under the laws of the Kingdom of Bahrain, is regulated as a wholesale conventional bank by the Central Bank of Bahrain and its shares are listed on the Bahrain Bourse.
ABC’s announcement follows the issuing by the President of the United States of America, an executive order under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act on 25 February 2011 (the “Executive Order”). The Executive Order blocks the assets (to the extent that such assets are in the United States of America or are in the possession or control of United States persons) of various individuals and entities in Libya and of entities controlled by them.
The United States Department of the Treasury issued General License No. 1 on 25 February 2011 in connection with the Executive Order (the “General License”). The General License provides that “all transactions are authorised with financial institutions owned or controlled by the Government of Libya that are organised under the laws of a country other than Libya”.
The United Nations Security Council recently passed a resolution (“Resolution 1970”), which calls upon United Nations member states to impose an assets freeze on various Libyan persons and, consequently, it is expected that a large number of jurisdictions will implement asset freezes in response to Resolution 1970.
ABC’s total assets as of 31 December 2010 stood at US$28,105 million. Short term placements with banks and financial institutions increased to maintain liquidity which remains comfortable with liquid assets to deposits ratio at the year-end of 72% compared to 71% in the previous year. Shareholders’ equity at 31 December 2010 stood at US$3,428 million compared to US$2,191 million the previous year, boosted by the US$1,110 million share capital increase in the first quarter of 2010. ABC Group’s capital adequacy ratio at 2010 year-end was very strong at 23.1%, predominantly Tier 1, which totalled 18.4%. - 1 year ago
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tlbuffin:
Semper idem
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