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Is God Imaginary?

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Once again many followers were disappointed this Easter when Jesus or his imaginary Father (God) did not show up for the 2011th straight time! Check out this web site it is very informative and plays pretty much the middle ground between Atheism and Believers!

2011 straight times he has not showed up! Those kind of numbers are Cal Ripken like as in consecutive games played.

Before I get any more of the holier than thou comments about it's not suppose to be Easter that God or Jesus is supposed to come back, let me say that, it is spread by believers he is coming back and we all better repent. So since you, that believe in the invisible man, what day is it?

Wasn't it Easter the day of resurrection, if it was the day when it happened the first time (Supposedly) it would only make sense out of the 365 days a year, that's the day he likes to come back on!

And hey, while I got your attention: I have been wondering my whole life of 59 years why aren't Christians more Christ like? Please explain your intolerance of so many things a real Jesus would have embraced!

I personally think that people are killing each other off because it has been 2011 years since he was last seen. What the hell is his problem anyway!

In The Beginning

In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. And the Earth
was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

And Satan said, "It doesn't get any better than this."

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

And God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit," and God saw that it was good.

And Satan said, "There goes the neighborhood."

And God said, "Let us make Man in our image, after our likeness, and let
them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air and over the cattle, and over all the Earth, and over every creeping
thing that creepeth upon the Earth." And so God created Man in his own
image; male and female created he them. And God looked upon Man and
Woman and saw that they were lean and fit.

And Satan said, "I know how I can get back in this game."

And God populated the earth with broccoli and cauliflower and spinach,
green and yellow vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live
long and healthy lives.

And Satan created McDonald's. And McDonald's brought forth the 99-cent
double cheeseburger.

And Satan said to Man, "You want fries with that?"

And Man said, "Supersize them." And Man gained 5 pounds.

And God created the healthful yoghurt, that woman might keep her
figure that man found so fair.

And Satan brought forth chocolate. And Woman gained 5 pounds.

And God said, "Try my crispy fresh salad."

And Satan brought forth Ben and Jerry's. And Woman gained 10 pounds.

And God said, "I have sent thee heart-healthy vegetables and olive oil
with which to cook them."

And Satan brought forth chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own
platter.

And Man gained 10 pounds and his bad cholesterol went through the roof.

And God brought forth running shoes and Man resolved to lose those extra
pounds.

And Satan brought forth cable TV with remote control so Man would not
have to toil to change channels between ESPN and ESPN2.

And Man gained another 20 pounds.

And God said, "You're running up the score, Devil." And God brought
forth the potato, a vegetable naturally low in fat and brimming with
nutrition.

And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy center
into chips and deep-fat fried them. And he created sour cream dip also.

And Man clutched his remote control and ate the potato chips swaddled in
cholesterol. And Satan saw and said, "It is good."

And Man went into cardiac arrest.

And God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery.

And Satan created HMO's.
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341 comments // Is God Imaginary?

  • Gravity_Man
  • Varex_Sythe
    • +1
      Varex_Sythe  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Again, the compressed file that you present is a load of garbage that tries to make science fit the ideas of the scriptures to give them an air of legitimacy by making assumptions that are neither in the old or new testament nor are they scientifically verifiable. There is no evidence of Jesus' saliva containing the stem cells of Adam or stem cells of any kind. Like intelligent design, it is a piss poor attempt to use science to legitimize a belief which is contradictory to the science it is attempting to make use of.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Varex_Sythe
    • +1
      Varex_Sythe  
    • Gravity_Man:

      "'Not scientifically verifiable' = Not scientifically unverifiable."

      That's not a checkmate jackass, that's a pathetic argument tactic of, "I can't prove myself right, but if I can go for a stalemate I can make the opposing side look stupid and try to count it as a victory for me."

      Also, you're respected worldwide for that? Bullshit. As the internet saying, "Pic's or it didn't happen," implies, show some proof that you're respected worldwide for making arguments where you begin to aim for stalemates.

      Your file sites no factual data, no sources, just the same bullshit that I have been telling you to verify. It is exactly like the argument I had with a guy about different car brands. When he ran out of things to say to counter my point he would just say "Chevey" as if it was a magical counter to every technical argument that I made. It did not win him the argument (though I'm sure it made him feel like it did) and to be blunt it made him look like an idiot to the small crowd of co-workers that listening to the argument. It is kinda scary how similar you are to him, in fact I have to ask, Steve, is that you?

      Prospectors Gold health tonic? I amend any previous statements I have made this or other threads about you being a fucking retard. You are a quack and a fucktard. Kinda curious though, the post you made on current about your tonic only has you as a responder. Not one bothered to post on it to agree with it, to disagree with it, hell, not even to make fun of it. Yet there are 30 posts on it, all from you. That is some obsessive compulsive snake oil salesmanship there.

      Don't worry about me making you laugh. Laughter is not an uncommon response from someone dealing with a stressful situation when they are sane, and it really is not uncommon when they are fucking loopy as you appear to be. Also, interesting use of caps, am I getting under your skin for you to be calling me (as it is letter for capitalized letter) "A WHITE TRASH DESPICABLE ACT AGAINST YOUR FELLOW HUMANS?" Well I'm sorry about that, facts have a way of pissing off delusional people by exposing their delusions.

      "Human abdominal fat highest quality of all animals is also STUFFED WITH STEM CELLS."

      Your sentence makes no sense... Are you saying that human abdominal fat is the highest quality of all animals and is also stuffed with stem cells (which is not a true statement), that human abdominal fat has the highest quality of stem cells as well as the abdominal fat of all animals (which is also not really true), or are you going for a third option that is not really decipherable from your insane rant?

      As far as your Jesus being the perfect man who could utilize these cells with his extra elevated power of Adam-equivelent+plus mind, well, let me say it slower so it might sink in and maybe (just maybe) you'll actually try a route that I haven't already blown to hell.
      You... have... no... actual... evidence... you... are... misusing... science... to... come... to... your... conclusions.

      Your space eh, sounds like obsession. Have fun with that.

      Hey turbo, you forgot to fill the moat with water, and incidentally, you left the bridge down.

      But hey, don't feel bad, a lot of people try to put up an imaginary wall, or some other kind of barrier, and ignore what they don't want to hear. Like when a child puts their fingers in their ears and yells, "LALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" when they don't want to hear something that contradicts what they think.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Varex_Sythe
    • +1
      Varex_Sythe  
    • Gravity_Man:

      If the science is right, then where is the documentation proving the science is right?

      That PDF file has no scientific documentation, it was a recipe and a bunch of claims. Car salesmen put more effort into pawning off a cheap piece of shit for triple it's worth on an unsuspecting customer.

      Fucks sake, you have to provide more scientific information to get a C+ in a high school science class to redundantly prove how inertia functions in a physics class in order to even think you'll be taken semi seriously by anyone who is not an idiot.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Varex_Sythe
  • Gravity_Man
  • Varex_Sythe
  • Gravity_Man
  • Varex_Sythe
  • Gravity_Man
  • Varex_Sythe
  • totally_dilapidated
    • +2
      totally_dilapidated  

    • out of all mystery and the unknowable way of things
      i found in being
      surrendered of self
      surrendered of person
      i not being i
      the body and person did fall away

      then
      a light was in the darkness
      and it was me
      me of no person or body or gender or self of some kind

      and suddenly
      the light of all
      from the beginning and ending forever
      god
      was before me
      and i before god

      the light i am
      became with the light of all being
      with god

      and from no word by me
      wonder came forth
      the wonder of
      why

      and the answer was
      a deep sweet wide love that spread across timeless time
      and i knew
      with sudden gnosis
      all was right and good

      it was without word
      because word cannot reach or see or know forever

      no thing and no body
      can touch or take forever away
      the love that is forever remains
      forever…

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • QuickJman
  • mitekillem
    • +2
      mitekillem  

    • God is very real. As proof, we all are here.
      Now, the question is not is there a God, but what is God?
      To which I say God is the dreamer, and we are the dream.

      1. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So all of the energy in the universe has always been here, and will always be here.
      2. Space is exactly that...space. And empty void. However space is never empty, because of the presence of Energy.
      3. If one had to create a universe and the materials available were nothing or energy, what materials would the universe be made from?
      4. What if when people said that God is truth, light, and love, what if they meant that in the very literal sense?

    • 2 years ago
  • totally_dilapidated
    • 0
      totally_dilapidated  
    • mitekillem:

      .

      I see them sitting there
      rapt with attention

      not having a clue to
      the meaning

      Tied in nonetheless
      and very, very deeply

      So many odd nods
      twists
      jerks
      and subtle soft blows

      The dialogue is continuous
      even to sleep
      to dream

      Ah sweetness and horror
      the universe is alive
      breathing
      feeling
      a teacher
      a lover
      a madness
      a killer

      I am that living
      breathing
      feeling one

      I teach
      love
      am mad
      a killer
      .

    • 2 years ago
  • QuickJman
    • +1
      QuickJman  
    • mitekillem:

      first of all id like to tell you, that i absolutely love the way you think.
      You are obviously a very intelligent person and thus are capable of the deep, elaborate thought that is the foundation of all philosophy(or at least good philosophy) and can do all of this while reamining optimistic. but i must point out a simple problem with your argument. altho it very well maybe that, that was what they where eluding to as being god. i have one problem with that assertion that, then there simply isn't anything fantastic about god, and that more than anything "he" certainly isn't anything that needs worship. yes you should be thankful that the little bubble of the universe your in exsits, but it certainly doesn't deserve worship, why? because it is indifferent to you. yes it is mindblowingly amazing that by some 1 in a trillion chance you exist and understand the universe around you, but its really not all that wondeful when you consider all the times it didn't exist. and how many times it did and then dissipated... we're not any different.

      oh and as far as points 1&2 1 energy and matter sadly dont last forever, they get damned close, but every time mass is coverted to energy and viseversa a tiny tiny tiny TINY bit is lost, into what is called the void.

      and second, "space" as we currently understand it isnt empty, it's actually far from it... see theres a very distinct difference between space and void, space is a strong vacuum but it still contains framing particles, the stuff that lets gravity, EM, and nuclear forces, even time, work, the void on the other hand doesnt, and is literally empty, nothing can exsit ever existed nor will exist, it's the very harsh space between membranes, and shouldnt be confused with friendly old space.

      either way sorry to rant, i just thought id lay out a few facts,a nd again im happy to hear your opinion :)

    • 2 years ago
  • Ragan
  • coolplanet
    • +2
      coolplanet  

    • The real question is:

      Is Man Imaginary?

      What if all the religions are right in maintaining that mortality is an illusion.

      The Adam dream.....

      Native Americans say we must Dance the Dream Awake.

      What if the sleeping dream is more real than the waking dream, as Carl Jung and Mary Baker Eddy hypothesized?

      The father of philosophy, Hermes, said it best some 4,000 years ago:

      "The sleep of the body is the sober watchfulness of the Mind and the shutting of my eyes reveals the true light."

      Perhaps we need to heed Dream Time

    • 2 years ago
  • Ian_Judge_Lord
    • 0
      Ian_Judge_Lord  

    • If the United States of America did indeed have a State Religion (something expressly strictly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America, Ratified by the First united States Congress in 1789), it would be Deism, the religious faith expressed and held by the vast majority of the authors of the Founding documents of this nation (in all of which put together combined, the word “god” appears only exactly precisely ONCE, and there it is directly preceded by the word “nature”, expressing the belief of Deists such as myself that the two are actually, in fact, one and the same).

      This is why the Freemasons were so mercilessly and relentlessly hunted and persecuted by the Roman Catholic Church, because the Deist philosophy that the “god” of creation and “mother” Nature (or Gaia: “Mother” Earth) were as matter of actual facts one and the same also implied that the Biblical God of Abraham and the “Adversary of Allah”, Shaitan, were also one and the same.
      (The Old Testament Book of Genesis refers to the entity being that gifted to humankind the fruit from the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden by the name “Lucifer”; which in the original Latin literally translates to mean “The Bringer of Enlightenment”)
      (Lucifer, the “Bringer of Light” was also the ancients’ name for the planet Venus, the “Morning and Evening Star”)

      Deism is Western European Enlightenment Natural Philosophy, with its roots and origins in the pagan beginnings of science [now known as astrology and alchemy, and presently regarded as "pseudo-sciences"] from the Polytheistic Olympian Pantheon of the Ancient Greco-Roman Civilizations of the Ancient world.
      Deism is often mistaken for Unitarian Universalism, as its worldview is strikingly similar (which is why I myself have been attending at an Unitarian Universalist congregation, with my older brother and his girlfriend on a predictably consistent regular basis since I have been living here in Portland. The only real difference between the two of them is in that Deism, (an Enlightenment-Western-European philosophy with its has its very own unique origin and creation belief system; also commonly called the “Divine Watchmaker” Theory; which proposes that an omnipotent, supernatural being [known as the "Singularity"] created the Universe [the big bang], set the forces of nature in motion and then departed for elsewhere, to oversee, rather than supervise, her masterpiece from some other plane of existence beyond the universe that we know; incorporating the principles of both The THEORY of Descent with Modification through Natural Selection, proposed by Charles Darwin in On the Origin of Species; 1859. as well as Linnaean Cladistic symplesiomorphic and synapomorphic [monophyletic, paraphyletic, and polyphyletic] homologous Phylogenetic Taxonomy.

      The United States of America is a WHAT kind of a Nation?
      http://judgian12365.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/the-united-states-of-america-is-a-w...

    • 2 years ago
  • ghostofamerica
  • Ian_Judge_Lord
    • +1
      Ian_Judge_Lord  

    • Satan (the name comes from the Hebrew/Arabic word “Ha-al-Shaitan”, meaning “adversary” or “accuser”) was a concept first developed by those who compiled the presently accepted version of the Bible in the late 4th century AD. The concept was common among the pagan religions of the ancients, Anuke (Anubis) or Setesh (Seth) in Egypt, Enkidu in Sumerian Mesopotamia, Hades in Greece, Vishnu or Shiva to the Hindus, Kallima in India, Pluto in the Roman Empire. All were gods or goddesses of Death and/or destruction. Rather than an evil-incarnate. Both Vishnu and Shiva, and Enki; were ALSO gods and goddesses of CREATION as well as destruction. Therefore, the general consensus being is that Jehovah or Jahweh (God) And Shaitan (The devil) are, in reality, one and the same.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • Ian_Judge_Lord:

      Yep, like I thought another made up story. I enjoy your information you present to any thread. You are a thinker, we are in need off dearly! And to think you live in my neighborhood. Cool, we have to have a beer sometime.

    • 2 years ago
  • Wicks934
  • Varex_Sythe
  • kennymotown
  • Varex_Sythe
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • Varex_Sythe:

      That show and Trey have a real grasp on the real world. And it's fucking funny, to show you how slow I am it took months for me to understand what they were saying. I think the part they killed kenny kept me going....

    • 2 years ago
  • echelgreen
    • +5
      echelgreen  

    • Please step out of the box constructed of your ego supporting belief system because you aren't helping the current social situations. First realize the limitations of language based rational in terms of understanding the true underlying nature of reality. It can only get you so far and will in most likelihood just keep you running in self-inhibiting circles. Both the religious and atheists are incredibly shortsighted in their approaches to coming to terms with reality. Both require large egos and irrational, dogmatic, and circular beliefs. Just sit down, calm your mind, and you shall realize that you are part of something much larger than yourself. There is no need to anthropomorphize the higher, constantly evolving - holofractal consciousness ecosystem in which we all reside and take part. Learn to dissolve your ego sustaining beliefs and fear based on an illusory, linear intellect in order to lower the entropy/ increase synergy of your individuated consciousness and you will become aware of the greater whole of which you are and always will be an infinitesimal, but still absolutely necessary part. Seriously people, it's about time you wake up! Throw the idealisms of the past away, look within yourself, and you will realize your own truth, your own path, and your specific role within the larger consciousness system. Consciousness is primary, so get in touch with the source! It's not hard, it just takes the courage to pick yourself up by the bootstraps and try to experience higher states of awareness. Only you can experience for yourself so .... It is up to you and you only!

    • 2 years ago
  • DavidYates
    • +5
      DavidYates  

    • Proving that something you don't want to believe anyway isn't true must waste a lot of your mental energy. It's like those who can't stand the idea that some people believe in evolution. If dinosaurs evolved into, say, birds, then that's why there are no dinosaurs. But if man evolved from apes, then why are there still... well, Republicans? But, you see, whatever is really true will be so no matter what we think. What matters is appreciating people for the best things they are, not hating them for not being us. Shall I start holding my breath now?

    • 2 years ago
  • HSouixZ
    • +2
      HSouixZ  
    • DavidYates:

      The Platypus and 20th Century Republicans are proof that not only is there a God; he has a wonderful, and bizarre sense of humor. You see a platypus and you look at it with wide-eyed wonder and laugh. You see a 20th Century Republican and you look at it with wide-eyed wonder and laugh even harder.

      I'm telling you, and I wouldn't just pull your leg on this: "There is a God, and he's got a marvelous sense of humor!"

    • 2 years ago
  • Billy_Goodreasonnews
  • Vierotchka
    • +4
      Vierotchka  

    • When Buddha was asked if God exists, he replied "No".

      When Buddha was asked if there is no God, he replied "No".

      Buddha then went on to say that anything anyone say about God is a lie, because one can neither comprehend nor appropriate God. He then said that he gave people the tools with which to find out for themselves, the tools with which to attain enlightenment. Only then can people know, but nothing they can say can be true as it is so much greater than themselves. This is why Jesus said "The Father and I are One", meaning that as an enlightened being he had realized that there is no separation between God and the individual, but only through enlightenment can one attain this knowledge. Hence his statement that "I (enlightenment) am the Way".

    • 2 years ago
  • JustZ
    • +1
      JustZ  
    • Vierotchka:

      Damn. You had me, until you said "Jesus said...". Why not stop at "...because one can neither comprehend nor appropriate God".

      There's far too much dogma for any organized religion to be relevant to whether or not god is imaginary. It's like trying to find a good mobster in the mafia. There may be some but the rest of the apple is so rotten you can't use it at all.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
    • +4
      Vierotchka  
    • JustZ:

      One needs to separate dogma & organized religion from the teachings of the masters as they are two very different things, which is basically what I did in my above post.

    • 2 years ago
  • mitekillem
  • JustZ
    • +6
      JustZ  

    • Of course IT is; as imaginary as Casper the ghost.

      I only hope that one day the world will finally dump the mythological idea of gods altogether. The only magic I'm in awe of... is Nature. The wonder of the human cell or a seed... is beyond words. But just because we don't yet know where that magic energy comes from OR how it came into being, doesn't then mean we need to give the credit to some imaginary guy in the sky!

      The journey is all that's important; not the destination.
      And ANYONE who tells you otherwise... is selling something. Here's an idea; try engaging that gray matter between your ears and ask yourself, "why do you need a book to tell you it's wrong to kill or steal or screw your neighbors wife"?

      Nature doesn't require a front man. It does very well without mankind whatsoever. There's nobody in the heavens looking out for you so grow up already. You either step on the ant or you don't... because in this life, it's all up to you.

    • 2 years ago
  • mikem0487
    • 0
      mikem0487  
    • JustZ:

      I hope too that Gods altogether are dropped from peoples curriculum and we can focus on some serious issues that are going on this fragile earth and this huge, expansive universe that we have just skimmed the surface of understanding!

    • 2 years ago
  • mrsitssopinkjones
    • +2
      mrsitssopinkjones  

    • wow really...yes God is real and He has power..so with that being said power does not need to be spoken for..and Satan is just as real...people kill me with this debate about if God is real or is not real, and no it's Allah, and oh yea and the Higher Power..bottom line people are believe what they want to regardless..we all have free will..i mean even Jesus Himself was kind and considerate to those who didn't believe in Him, so shouldn't we extend the same courtesy to others and how they believe??? just saying...

    • 2 years ago
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
    • +9
      Johnny_Los_Angeles  

    • yes the concepts of god, devil, heaven, hell, soul, sin etc etc are all imaginary. These concepts were originally the antiquated way for primitive man to attempt to understand the universe, then they became a tool for the powerful to control the less educated masses. Now they are only the refuge for the less intelligent. Its the 21st century, its time to use facts and science understand the universe and to make intelligent decisions about how humans impact this planet.

    • 2 years ago
  • JustZ
  • dreamsenvoy
  • HSouixZ
    • +4
      HSouixZ  

    • God is real. There...I said it. You wanna make something of it?

      OK...now that we've got that settled, let's discuss the more important things.

      First God is Jewish. Yes, yes, yes he is. And by the way, God is a "HE".

      Don't scrunch up your face at me. Don't shake your head no..at me. God is an old Jewish man, with a phenomenal sense of humor.

      If you don't believe me, you'll be sorry. Ha!

    • 2 years ago
  • JustZ
  • HSouixZ
    • +2
      HSouixZ  
    • Image
    • JustZ:

      What?? You never had a wolverine? Why those gentle creatures will eat food right out your hand. Come right to you, and give an award winning smile!

      What's a matter, were you raised under a rock?

    • 2 years ago
  • BenjaminDover
    • +8
      BenjaminDover  

    • Last night, around 3 AM, I sat smoking a joint and contemplating the question "Why do all the godless bastards who comment on this site have such a strong moral compass in comparison to the religious right?"
      Our side wants to feed and clothe the poor, heal the sick, care for the elderly, educate the children, end wars and create a society without economic stratification.
      The cons want to screw the less fortunate, let the sick pay up or die, make the poor work til they die, educate only the privileged, create endless war and create a dog eat dog economy where only the rich profit and the rest become slaves.
      The conclusion my smoke filled mind came up with is that the poor on the religious right have been convinced that this life doesn't really matter, they will be rewarded in heaven, and the rich on the right know religion is a bunch of crap meant to control the masses.
      The godless liberals on the other hand realize life is short and we have to take care of each other and make the most of the time we have.
      I'm gonna go smoke some more and see if I can figure out what is on trumps head.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • EdJoyProductions
    • +5
      EdJoyProductions  
    • BenjaminDover:

      Without smoking anything, I am going to venture that the thing on Trump's head is some sort of dyed roadkill. But do let me know if you come up with something else. I like the way that you think when you are stoned. ;)

    • 2 years ago
  • figgdimension
  • vixxxen618
  • BenjaminDover
  • BenjaminDover
  • EdJoyProductions
  • ARussZ
    • +5
      ARussZ  

    • I do not have a problem with a person having spirituality in their life. It is church and/or "organized religion" that I feel is dangerious . After all THE CHURCH was formed in the dark ages to control the masses most of which could not read so they were easy to manipulate. Organized religion is what kept the poor from killing the rich
      I think people confuse religion and spirituality , they are not the same thing.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
    • +6
      remanns  

    • I think implying that Satan is the source of homosexuals is just rude.
      ( certainly NOT PC )

      p.s. and please NOTE,....that I didn't say it,....I just read it. Here,....let me get my glasses and check again . . .

    • 2 years ago
  • vixxxen618
  • chief_longhair
    • +2
      chief_longhair  

    • the problem with religion is not the question of real or fantasy, the problem is what has been done to religion by man with nothing but a goal of greed and power to be gained,,,in my opinion man has ruined religion, but that said the right to believe or not without ridicule should still be available to all.

    • 2 years ago
  • lionessgrrl
  • IWannaBeaDoctor
    • -2
      IWannaBeaDoctor  

    • If everyone is so "Athiest" around here how come you all feel the need to bash a religion. Whether you agree or not you still need to respect the various religions. I am a Christian but I would never go and tell a Buddhist monk his Gods are fake, I would never impose and attack another humans belief because I am merely human myself. That is essentially what you all are doing, your exactly like the people you claim you hate so much.

      Also, you cannot deny the fact that religion has a fundamental purpose. I've seen it for myself many, many times. When someone close to someone dies they turn to God, why? because what the Bible teaches gives comfort to those who believe. When someone is hoping hard for something or someone who do they turn to? God? why? because the Bible gives hope. I wonder how an Athiest feels when someone close to them dies or is dying. You feel like praying? or do you give up hope and sit there depressed?

      I believe Jesus will come, and I do believe he died on the cross for us and washed away our sins so we can see the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe he will come back and we will all be judged. That's the way I was raised and how I will raise my children.

      I'm not even that religious but you religion bashers need to chill out; like i said, whether you believe or not you still have to be respectful.

      (braces for all the vote-downs) lol

    • 2 years ago
  • EdJoyProductions
    • +4
      EdJoyProductions  
    • IWannaBeaDoctor:

      Um, okay. Buddhism has no gods so it is a good thing that you don't go to buddhist monks and tell them anything about a religion that you did not even take the time to read up on.

      Not everyone turns to the imaginary man in the sky when they are faced with hard times, illness or death. I am not a member of any organized religion but I toughen up when I need to or comfort the suffering because it is all that I can do.

      The bible was written by men that thought the world was flat.

      You are free to believe anything that you want to.

      As a free thinking individual that believes religion does more harm than good, I do not have to respect anything that seems to violate the human rights of others.

      I don't vote down, you are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is.

    • 2 years ago
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    • IWannaBeaDoctor:

      Respect something that over history has advocated killing innocent people, subjugating women, and teaches some crazy theory that humanity started with two people made from mud, a magic apple and a talking snake? It's hard to respect something that is completely irrational and divisive. All the positive benefits of religions can be achieved just as easily (and often more logically and humanely) by NOT believing in a god.

    • 2 years ago
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    • EdJoyProductions:

      So Gautama Buddha is not seen as a deity? maybe you should do the reading. Mahayana Buddhists see Buddha as a deity. If you want to get technical there's actually 3 of them. I know my shit. I have a book if you need it.

      No, not everyone but then again not everyone goes through the same thing. "comfort the suffering?" My father is a surgeon and he and all his doctor friends tell me one thing. When a patient can HOPE to get better, they often do and when they GIVE UP their body gives up too. The human mind controls more than we'd like to think. I'm not saying if you have the will to live you can survive anything but if you have the will to live you stand a lot better chance than someone who doesn't.

      I'd never just comfort someone suffering, I'd try and give them hope; mind over matter.

      Yes, yes yes this argument. Discard the thoughts of the ancient people because they are stupid. How do you know that the writer of the bible believed the world was flat? because everyone else did back then? that's absurd. I could easily say that the writer of the bible thought the world was round and the Miami Heat will win the playoffs in 2011. I can't prove you wrong but you can't prove me wrong either. It's impossible to know.

      Your entitled to your opinion about religion but if I'm thinking what I think your thinking then it's peoples interpretation of religion that does harm. It's peoples pride and selfishness that cause the harm. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Same concept.
      Theres a reason why pride and selfishness are cautioned against in the bible. I don't think its fair to blame the doctrine for the readers actions whether its a popular consensus or not.

    • 2 years ago
  • IWannaBeaDoctor
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    • vixxxen618:

      Ha. oh wow. So religion can sprout arms and choke a bitch, huh?

      So your going to disrespect something because you don't believe in it. Nice! very, very mature. I'll tell you what though "Vixxen" I would rather believe in "mud people", "magic apples", talking snakes and the ability to see my loved ones not suffering in a place filled with peace then to walk thru life with the notion that when someone close to me dies they are nothing but food for bugs and bacteria. Call me naive but also call me hopeful for my time to go because I know that if I am wrong and you are right then we both rot but If I'm right and you're wrong..well you know.

      It's ok if you want to disrespect tho. Your lack of respect for my religion or any other religion doesn't hamper my faith and won't for any other religious individual. It doesn't matter what you think or say IMO but don't get it twisted because it doesn't matter what I think or say either, only to me. We're all individuals on our own path following what we think is right. It's wrong to try and tell someone they're doing it wrong.

    • 2 years ago
  • EdJoyProductions
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    • IWannaBeaDoctor:

      You are incorrect to say that Gautama Buddha is a god. There are no gods in Buddhism. Especially not in the traditional western sense. If you are talking about the the Buddha, the Dharma (the teachings), and the Sangha (the community) as the three deities, you are incorrect to refer to them as deities. You misread your book. Hinduism is not the same as Buddhism.

      If lying to someone about a man in the sky that loves and cares about them will ease someone's suffering, I am not adverse to doing so. Whatever works. Mind over matter will not cure a brain tumor though. However, I do agree a state of mind is very important in aiding healing.

      I know the various men that wrote the bible thought the world was flat because I read it. I did not just pick and choose verses that I liked. I read it for all of its contradictions, misogyny, misinformation and intrigue and came to the conclusion that it is a pretty good work of fiction for the time but it is fiction. I can prove you wrong because you do not read as much as you should.

      Religion is a method that was created to control people. I do not know if god exists but I know that a being that could create the universe would not write a book. It would be beneath such an amazing creature. That is something only man would do. And only man would fashion a god that was jealous, vengeful and schizophrenic. It does not even make sense.

    • 2 years ago
  • vixxxen618
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    • IWannaBeaDoctor:

      You're absolutely right. It's wrong to tell someone they're doing it wrong. I don't care what you do. But your groups seem to care an awful lot what I'm doing wrong... like if I want to get an abortion, if I want to marry a woman, if I want to smoke a joint. And I don't believe in something because of the promise of a reward at the end, or because it's "safer" to believe than to not. I believe something only after considering all viewpoints. I considered yours... I just concluded that it was nonsense. If it makes you feel better to believe that you have something waiting for you after death, good for you. If I am wrong, then at least God will know that I lived my life according to what I really believed to be true, and not because I was bribed by the promise of an afterlife, or too scared to face the fact that there might just be nothing. I live my life to help others, and if that's not good enough for God, then there's nothing more I can do. Sorry, I can't respect something that I think is ludicrous. I'm sure nothing could hamper your faith, because faith tends to be blind to any amount of reasoning or evidence. But like I said, do what ever you want, but the moment your "religion" starts making it's way into the laws that govern my life, that's the moment that your religion no longer DESERVES my respect.

    • 2 years ago
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    • IWannaBeaDoctor:

      When Buddha was asked if God exists, he replied "No".

      When Buddha was asked if there is no God, he replied "No".

      Buddha then went on to say that anything anyone say about God is a lie, because one can neither comprehend nor appropriate God. He then said that he gave people the tools with which to find out for themselves, the tools with which to attain enlightenment. Only then can people know, but nothing they can say can be true as it is so much greater than themselves. This is why Jesus said "The Father and I are One", meaning that as an enlightened being he had realized that there is no separation between God and the individual, but only through enlightenment can one attain this knowledge. Hence his statement that "I (enlightenment) am the Way".

      No, Buddha is not seen as a deity. Buddha means "The Awakened One" and he taught methods whereby all can reach Awakening, Enlightenment. As such, Buddha is profoundly revered as a Master Teacher.

    • 2 years ago
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    • IWannaBeaDoctor:

      blah...blah...blah...blah....

      Religion is for people who NEED easy answers.
      Nothing as complex as the origin of LIFE is easy.
      Why not stop preaching and find something creative to do with your time.

    • 2 years ago
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    • IWannaBeaDoctor:

      "I wonder how an Athiest feels when someone close to them dies or is dying."

      I don't really know what an Atheist does, but as an Agnostic I take simply acknowledge that death is an inescapable part of life that every one of who has, does and will exist has to face at one point or another. Sure, you vent your emotions (Theists through prayer, Atheists through other forms of emotional venting); however, religion does not hold the patent on hope, nor has it ever.

      "I am a Christian but I would never go and tell a Buddhist monk his Gods are fake"

      EdJoyProductions is correct, there is no Buddhist God or gods. Besides, what do you think the reaction of the monk would be if you told a Buddhist monk that his gods are fake? The monk would probably be a lot less confrontational than you have been with this issue because Buddhist monks are not usually so insecure in their beliefs to be offended or threatened by such a topic.

    • 2 years ago
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    • When I was a young boy many of the other kids I was around use to have an imaginary friend, I never could conjure one up. I grew, I tried to find what others saw in their religion on how they could grasp some of the phantasmagoria that they were told. I found it difficult. Some might say I am faithless, or soulless, I say I'm spiritual. I found what works for me, and hold no animosity to others for their beliefs. I do have a pet peeve of others forcing me or others to believe as they believe. God is what you make of her/him/all the energy that is.

    • 2 years ago
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    • Gravity_Man:

      WOW! Off the medication? What part of pet peeve is not in your dictionary? LOL, just thought it was an invitation to convert me with nothing but babbling, eh? ROFLMFAO....nice to know you are a zombie, hope the rest your life is this humorous. Can we say whack job children? I knew you could. why do I want your craziness, I'm married already. God is imaginary, as you just showed EVERY one with A belief IMAGINES WHAT GOD IS, no matter who argues with whom. Every time someone talks to another about religion they put WHAT THEY THINK, thus they Imagine what GOD is. Man Gravity Do you even use the gray matter GOD gave you?

    • 2 years ago
  • moodyblue
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    • Gravity_Man:

      LMFGDAOFTS. you need a representative...IS THIS SHIT REAL? Help me out here man, Lyme disease? and you want me not to laugh at what you say? My medical opinion is pick up a pipe man, you need it. ROTFLMFAO Royaly!!!!!!!!!

    • 2 years ago
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    • But I can't say I don't sit awake at night and wish very much that there is and im wrong and my friends are in a better place we have lived rough lives and deserve better ...

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
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    • figgdimension:

      Figg my friend, I know what your going through. Today my fiancee and I are going over to a friends house to give his mother a break so she can go to the Social Security office. We will sit by Carl's bed who is on deaths doorstep, the inevitable we all try to avoid unavoidable. He has been diagnosed terminal now for 6 months, a month ago we brought him his favorite chicken enchilada. He doesn't talk much, never really has he was a gentle giant who 30 years ago had a motorcycle accident that gave him a lobotomy. I can't imagine what has been going through his head these last months, and he told me he thought he was going to beat the cancer. He was born the same year as me, a month earlier in 1952 and it is a reminder that death could be around the corner for us all. Stay strong brother we will all get there eventually, live for this moment is all the advise I have.

    • 2 years ago
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    • kennymotown:

      Thanks for saying Kenny and your a dear to me and i know to your ill friend too..your a fine human being and whatever he may be thinking, in his heart he knows you are with him :) and its the best you could ever do is just be there for him.. I know ive said god is dead but I know the great spirit of the earth that binds us together IS real i just can't stand organized religion ,.. but i am spiritual .To me its like in the movie V 4 vendetta ...god is in the rain! I just needed some time and a better perspective .. You an dmany here have helped and for that Thank You!
      I'm very grateful there are people like you and many here...
      you are appreciated thanks Brother! ( pic of Watchmen Bridge Zion National Park seeing things like this is what brings me to a spiritual place nature to me is perfect )
      thanks K. your a friend indeed...

    • 2 years ago
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    • Typical Religions are just like this... Last Monday my good friend was shot twice in the chest by the cops(the officer has killed more two in custody this is the Nasty Natti)(
      CINCINNATI -- Police shot and killed a local musician early Monday morning in Northside.

      Authorities confirmed that 40-year-old David "Bones" Hebert was fatally wounded about 3 a.m. during a police call at Chase and Georgia avenues.) he was a great musician , the week before my best friend dj Rodger Shands drown in a boating "accident" where 12 people on the boat failed to rescue him .My Love of 5years decided this was a good time to walk out forever! what a month no , Im not asking for your pity just explaining where my heads at (a dark place) . I see and know of no reason to believe in a god..organized or otherwise the world is a darker place without these kind heart-ed and beautiful people . God is dead.

    • 2 years ago
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    • figgdimension:

      for more on my good buddie Bones see the ridiculous story put out by the conformist media "bones" carried no weapons and was not a violent or unstable person .. the story is a complete fabrication and the police video has not been released and now they are saying it did not record BS! He was shot and killed in cold blood!
      http://figgdimension.tumblr.com

    • 2 years ago
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