Christians Should Not Vote for Ron Paul, According to Religious Right
source: http://www.goddiscussion.com/60482/christians-should-not-vote-for-ron-paul-according-to-reli...
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The religious right is not pleased.
At the American Family Association's One News Now filtered news service, Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, a conservative Christian group that has been fighting against gays being able to serve in the military, declared,
" Paul supported President Barack Obama and homosexual activists with his vote during last year's lame-duck session of the 111th Congress to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" — the law excluding homosexuals from serving openly in the U.S. military.
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I think he should be held accountable for that vote. Certainly anyone who supports the military should question his support of the armed forces with that vote on his record."
Ron Paul served in both the U.S. Air Force and the National Guard and in the 2008 presidential campaign, reportedly received more military and veterans donations than any other candidate.
Elaine Donnelly, who has never served in the armed forces, has previously declared that "that service members can’t be counted on – or trained – to control their sexual urges."
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guitar1100
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Paul got more money from active service military personnel than any of the other republican war mongers running in 2008. I think WHAT the military believes is more important than the "religious" wrong... i mean right.
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guitar1100
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letsliveinpeace
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As long as Ron Paul keeps saying that Social Security, Medicare,and Medicaid are all unconstitutional and making statement about removing these programs, he will never become President. I applaud him for giving us heads up on his plans for America. His party the GOP will not nominated him. I say let them all run our economy needs the money the GOP will be using money to pay for ads, TV commercial this would put some people back to work.
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mojojuju
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I don't think the Center for Military Readiness is equivalent to "The Religious Right".
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chief_longhair
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if I'm not mistaken, RP is one of those that basically want's to abolish almost all government and privatize everything ,, I wonder the people of the tornado ravaged south feel about that now,,,,, government, of the people, by the people and for the people
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chief_longhair:
You are mistaken. Ron Paul is not for privatizing everything. Thought he does believe in the power of allocation through free market economics he also believes that our interventionalist policies need to be changed. If we wernt spending so damn much in Iraq libya and Aghanastan I think we could take care of those folks in Alabama much more effectively. Also I think it is ignorant for you to assume that because he believes in free markets he would let a natural disaster go without assistance if he were president.
RUN RON RUN!
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bike10
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Yet they will support those of likes like Newt, Donald and company. The true moral and family value Christians.
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bike10:
Altho Trump may have just lost any hope with the religious right after his barrage of cursing in Vegas...
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xena
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Richard_Wyatt
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i may not be excited by ron paul. but i admit having the hypocritical right against him can only be a plus
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dalistuff
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What Jesus just told me (yes I do talk to the big guy who mows my lawn & mulches my branches) is that these Christians will vote for RuPaul Instead! Start wearing those disco outfits for church.
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dalistuff
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What Jesus just told me (yes I do talk to the big guy who mows my lawn & mulches my branches) is that these Christians will vote for RuPaul Instead! Start wearing those disco outfits for church.
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PoliticalAmazon
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I keep telling y'all that the religious right is already bought and paid for, and they are backing Newt Gingrich.
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PoliticalAmazon
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The religious right is right about Paul, but for all the wrong reasons!
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kennymotown
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A vote for Revolution.........Will set you free!
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kennymotown:
That suggestion has my vote
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DeistofSurreal:
I think they have left us no other choice!
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LittleRascals
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Christians, now that is a big diverse group of people. I say forget Ron Paul, better would be for Tom Kean to run.
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LittleRascals:
Christians by definition are not such a diverse group, as the essential principles of the living Christ within each govern their entire lives. Those radical religious extremists and activists, many of who cloak themselves in the whitewashing name of Christianity, are a vast and very diverse group!
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:
Common, yes in theory I agree that faith with the Christ as guide is the common uniting factor for Christians - if they would just stick to that. But there is a reason why there are so many denominations - different ways to get to the same goal - and there are many who choose to hate certain ones while professing great devotion for their own little turf.
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LittleRascals:
And therefore, since hate is antithetical to Christ principles, doesn't this preclude haters from being Christians?
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:
Yes, I say that often. Christ's example was not violence but rather love and understanding. When a person of any religion is filled with hate, he ceases to be a practicing (fill in the blank). The star wars movies captured this perfectly - that some people wind up on the dark side of religion, often with valid reasons. But the move to hatred needs to be often discussed in Church - and I never hear such things. When religion becomes an addiction, the junkie has to fill the void with something.
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kennymotown
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The funniest thing I find about those who every 4 years get all excited their man Ron Paul's running for President is, if he did actually win what could he do? Whatever it is you guys smoke I would like some, The Democrats didn't have 60 votes in the Senate and couldn't get anything done. And he thinks he's going to stop the Military Industrial Complex from it's Imperialism around the world! Ask JFK about that, oh that's right he got murdered for not playing ball with the overlords. You guys will of course keep pushing him out there trying to make people on the fence vote for him, but hey you are awful funny! Good Luck, you are always worth a laugh or two.
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ThatCrazyLibertarian:
Got one!
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tlbuffin:
Of course they would, they can't stand the truth!
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kennymotown:
I was just about to point that out.
But I would take it a step further. What makes them think that he's actually going to do what he says he will?
Positions of power change people, and everything about Ron's personality suggests to me that he would just swing hard-right once he was in office.
The realities of the job change you.
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Saladin:
Absolutely correct!
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kennymotown:
So what is the solution then, I mean seriously kenny, when we dare to think about it, if what you say is true, and if we can't go out there and just gun down the overlords, what real options do we have? How do we get the change we want and need? How DO we end the reign of terror being wrought by the Military Industrial Complex?
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Saladin:
ron paul has a nearly 40 year track record of doing exactly what he says and never wavering. i support dr. paul wholeheartedly and he is clearly the only choice for actually changing this country. however, if he were to do as you say and swing hard right and completely change (which i don't see how you can say that what with his record and all), then the phrase "when peaceful revolution is made impossible, violent revolution is made inevitable", comes to mind.
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kennymotown:
first, this is his 3rd run for president. you make it sound like he's been running every election for a long time. second, as commander in chief he can do a lot. and any assassination attempt in this day and age would be seen right through and we would know there was no lone nut. and... having dr. paul in the bully pulpit of the highest office, attitudes would probably start to change and you might actually be able to smoke whatever it is you want to smoke in the near future. this country gave the liar obama a chance. how about giving a guy with a 30+ year track record a chance before we devolve into all out revolution.
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Incredulous:
That's up too the people when they have finally had enough, those of us that have had enough already, can't do it without the majority of the people. I think you have seen the numbers now showing up in Wisconsin, Ohio and elsewhere. But we need hundreds of times that amount, and that day is coming i feel it in my bones.
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afloyd60:
Now that was a nice attempt to try and sway whoever you were trying to sway, but he has a ghost of a chance of actually making it. Won't happen, and your only fooling yourself in believing it's possible. You keep forgetting who's in charge, thats a key point!
And those same puppet masters run the Media, and there is video tape that won't go away that will be produced for your consumption, 30 years of politics and supporting things that were popular back then would destroy Mr. Paul and you should know that. - 1 year ago
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kennymotown:
i haven't forgotten who's in charge, it's one of the few things where you and i can agree. however, if the people woke up and put their support behind a man who walks the walk and talks the talk then the people could take their country back. i'm still hoping for a peaceful revolution.
not sure what you're getting at with the video tape comment???
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afloyd60:
The video tape is in reference where somewhere as long as Ron Paul has been in politics that reveals some skeleton in the closet.
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If the choice is between Ron Paul and any of the other assholes in the Rethuglican short list, he'd be my first choice, and the fact that the religulous right hates him is all the reason I need.
Reduce Military and close bases around the world, end the wars, crack down on the fed, voted against DADT, all sound good.
Destroy SS and Medicare, hopefully would not make it past the Senate without Rethugs gaining super majority (unless they have balls enough to do what Reid didn't and eliminate the filibuster.).
Choice between him and President Obama is almost a shoe in for Obama but would not be the end of the world if it went the other way. - 1 year ago
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tlbuffin:
Another thing to add to his shitty ideas column. Wasn't it his insane son who was against civil rights?
Oh and we could also add his apparent idolization of Ayn Rand.
Lest we forget from our own experiences, the president can have all the ideas they want but without congress and the senate backing them up they can't do much. - 1 year ago
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BenjaminDover:
...would have to get rid of the lobbyist in congress and give the power back to the people, before any of this would happen!!
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BenjaminDover:
Are you married? Have a daughter or sister? Cuz Ron Paul doesn't believe in abortion even if the mother's life/health is in danger. He also doesn't believe in mercy abortions of severely deformed fetuses.
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Idontw8tillfriday:
I remember back in the 60's when everyone made a big deal about "payola". People were taking money under the table from corporations to influence their decisions. Payola is the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties.. It was a huge scandal and destroyed the carriers of many people.
The irony is the payola scandal didn't involve politicians it was about Dick Clark and other DJs being influenced by record companies.
Lobbying is illegal. To offer or provide payment in order to persuade someone with a responsibility to betray that responsibility is known as seeking Undue Influence over that person's actions. We need to stand up and shout to remove this undue influence before our collective voices are drowned out by the din of corpirate run media. - 1 year ago
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Clevelandchick:
That would also apply to everyone on the cons shortlist. I just want to convince the rethuglicans to throw their ballots to him to fragment their base.
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tlbuffin:
Icksnay on the he can't inway. This libertarian / Randian wing will be the death of the Rethuglican party as we know it. They push the Greens to take from the Dems, let's support Ron Paul.* wink wink.
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Elaine Donnelly has apparently fallen off the cliffedge of the extreme religious right! She's in la la land now...
And, 10 to 1 she's a nymphomaniac! Most of those who rant irrationally are ranting about that part of themselves which they are the most afraid of.
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The AFA is one of the most bigoted groups out there in la-la land. Spend more than 5 minutes listening to them on the radio will cause your head to explode. They flat out lie. They make stuff up. The have a very sarcastic streak. They think they are the chosen ones, well so did another group of X-tians back in the 1930's and '40's.
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No one should vote for Ron Paul. The man's nothing more than a scam artist and con man. Every 4 years, since as far back as I can remember, he declares his canidacy for President, knowing full well that he has no recognized political party backing. He collects vast sums of cash contributions from ignorant fringe wing nuts, goes to a couple pf paid fund raisers and does most of his campaigning via the free internet. After the election, and he doesn't win, HE GETS TO KEEP ALL HIS UNSPENT CAMPAIGN FUNDS to the tune of lots of million bucks. Is this clever or what. And his son is just like him. Besides that, his ideas are crack pot at best.
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WagonMaster:
No he didn't. He donated all the money from his campaign to a charity that promotes civil liberties.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ron_paul_launches_campaign_for_liberty/
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Dagum:
No he didn't.
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WagonMaster:
(Read The link) He donated his "war chest". "War chest" being the official term they use for "all the funds a politician raises during campaigning."
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WagonMaster:
Don't be an idiot. Much of the $17 Million got spent in the 4th Quarter as per his FEC expense report. some was spent on air-time buys, and on transportation, printing, signs, salaries, office rent and equipment, etc. Some did go to starting the organization Dagum mentioned.
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Playgroundforthegays:
Christ and God himself would be kicked off of the playground by that standard.
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Playgroundforthegays:
Did you just get a blowjob in church or something and now you feel guilty?
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Playgroundforthegays:
why do you only come out and psot on articles involving anything related to homosexuality? any other interists or is this your one burning hatred?
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I have policy disagreements with Dr. Paul, but I could say that about almost any candidate. My condensed thought is: I like many of his positions, but don't believe he's a viable candidate.
If I were expanding, I'd say his attractiveness as a candidate almost outweighs his hindrances.
I've heard him speak at length as to how we'd get the country to the point that the citizenry could afford to pay their medical bills as they go, and save and not have their dollars constantly devalued....forcing them into the "wall street" model to try to preserve their savings for retirement. I particularly like his thoughts on how we'd level the playing field by taking away the rich's military industrial playthings and their ability to buy-out everyone with made-up borrowed money. All of that is very attractive to most people. It's the transition, though, that has me concerned.
Again, there are many policy positions that I disagree with too, but that aside I passionately feel that many of the attractive portions of Dr. Paul's governing ideology SHOULD BE included in a comprehensive progressive agenda that's trying to move the country forward as a whole.
Basically if it's a good idea, it shouldn't matter where or who's mouth it came out of. Dennis Kucinich, who I think we can all agree is about as 'liberal' as they come, has adopted some of Pauls' positions......particularly embracing Paul's call for systemic monetary policy reform. Admittedly their solutions differ slightly, but it is remarkable that these two extraordinarily different men agree where the focus should be.
I like that about Dennis.....and while I don't agree with all of his positions either, I do hope to emulate his open-mindedness when looking for positions to support as we collectively try to stop the destruction of our country and repair the damage.
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Schnookums:
Right on Schnookums! Some to many of the points in Pauls agenda are positive for the greater common good and a better future. We merely need to support those issues without supporting his cancerous ideas.
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Ron Paul, you're not going to get the GOP nomination unless you appeal to the religious whackadoodle extremist wing of the party.
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Ron Paul 2012 !!!
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dwb2585:
I hope your right. A sure win for Obama!!
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dwb2585:
maybe the myans were on to something....
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timetide:
The Mayans predicted December 21st of 2012....
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SFirman:
I see you love WAR
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dwb2585:
HAHA! six months ago my comment would have been +12 but now that MTV has taken over... nothin but trolls, current is just propaganda now. enjoy it
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dwb2585:
No I don't. That's why I didn't like BUSH.
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I don't think Christians should vote republican at all... Christians are supposed to care about the common good, right? Care for those who can't care for themselves? The meek shall inherit the earth... Republicans could care less about the public, they've made it painfully clear that their interests lie in the wealthy, in corporations, and in military might and global domination... that doesn't seem very Christian to me... The very agenda of the republican party seems very anti-biblical in it's theology of wealth and poverty.
If anything, I think a more socialistic democracy should appeal to Christians, but they are too busy being brainwashed with thoughts of Nazi Germany and Communist China by their conditioners at Fox News....
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simplecj:
But, if you were a good Christian and believed in Objectivism you and everyone would be rich.
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mrtraffic:
wrong.... the bible teaches us that money, power, and wealth are actually a primary source of corruption... Christians should not seek to be rich, they should in fact envy the poor...
I found an article talking about this topic.
Christianity and Republican Morals – The Great Paradox
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address... - 1 year ago
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simplecj:
I believe there was something called the "Social gospel" a social justice movement in Christianity that was strong in the 1930's during the golden age of progressivism. But it died out, as most liberals are now atheists Leaving only one Political movement within Christianity.
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simplecj:
Your analysis reveals the fact that very few of the religious right are truly Christians, as very few Republicans are truly conservative!
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simplecj:
I had my sarcastic hat on for that.
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mrtraffic:
oh... ;)
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uShine:
Ah, that's because Jesus was a Jew not a Christian.
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simplecj:
Very good write up simplecj...
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simplecj:
Christians are not surpposed to live in fear either...but they sure seem to wallow in it every chance they get.
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uShine:
It is funny how many Christians think Jesus was a Christian, isn't it?
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uShine:
the lack of legitimate canidates means any half ass canidate they pull from the back woods is given the apperence of legitimacy. I think Its every thinking persons duty to call out the backwoods fringe before they can get too much steam.
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tlbuffin:
Not so Ya can still eat the chicken. Not so with Paul.
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tlbuffin:
Agree. I think that he is waiting til after election. Probably does not want to lose what church vote he has coming. Not all church folks are against gays but enough are vocal about it so I doubt Obama will risk it until second term. I bet he'll risk a few things during his second term, should he be re-elected. Obama is still the best bet for those of us concerned about upholding and expanding civil rights.
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There goes the bulk of his base!
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I don't think he has much chance for the nomination, but it will be nice to have him in the debate! I still think he should run third party...
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was up with all this anti ron p? obamas and his supporters are scared of ron that much...
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Prijedor:
Scared of an Idiot? I seriously doubt that.
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Prijedor:
Yep, they have been gearing up the propaganda ever since he mentioned he might run.
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Just being a Libertarian brings his "intelligence" into question. But lets look at his "Get Rid of Taxes" stance and compare it to the rest of the Industrialized world.
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This religious right has always been insanely intolerant towards gays and any that supports gays, which seems to be the opposite of "love thy neighbor."
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I am guessing that any straight headed person will not vote for Ron Paul... I am glad he brought his ignorance to the light NATIONWIDE.... =)
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KB723:
How is voting to end "don't ask, don't tell "(DADT), ignorant? You sound like a hate filled homophobe.
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KB723:
you are out to get Ron paul....
with your other miss informing tittles about ron
go f your self with your with you miss information - 1 year ago
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FreetobeyoUandme7:
You sound like a JackAss that can't read between the lines!!! -+d!!!!
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Prijedor:
I am out to get No one... I just agree with the article, Sh*tHead!!!! -+d!!!!
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FreetobeyoUandme7:
You mean I sound like a Republican??? Oh My!!!!
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of course not.you are supposed to vote for the guy who is guided soley by faith in christ as none is better than him.
religious right 101.wich btw thanks for gw bush with than one.how did that work out again?
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christians shouldnt vote at all
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Persecuted:
Why's that?
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skawater
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I wonder how Ron feels about taking a scalpel to the military budget? (different subject, but still)
- 1 year ago
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skawater
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mikeharper
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Gosh.....never thought I'd agree with any of these people.....obviously not on the gay rights issue's but on the not voting for Ronnie.......I mean he is perfect other than this issue......:)
- 1 year ago
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mikeharper
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samthesixth
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I suppose it's okay for Christian people who are pro gay rights to vote for Paul then.
- 1 year ago
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samthesixth
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maasanova
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Well that is true, he basically did support that.
I wonder what Current's gay rights community has to say about this!
- 1 year ago
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maasanova
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timetide
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maasanova:
we remember all the times he voted to keep it going, till it become a politcaly positive move for him to vote to repeal it. We can see the knife in the other hand just waiting for us to turn our backs.
- 1 year ago
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timetide
