If your in to seeing dead bodies and need that to move on you had ten yours to join the Military. If you can't trust the pros at war you need to give it a try.

Flick,
I'm with you 100%! It's time to demand the troops come home and end this stupidity. Let's get to the real issues....like jobs, infrastructure, health care etc. Start taking care of this country now.

The neocons can never use him as a pawn to keep us at war anymore . Seeing the pic could have two out comes one its really him that would be good one pawn out of the game. Or it could be a fake that would be bad.
Some like to think he died five years ago and if thats the way it really is. The neocons will never let us stop hunting for a dead man. So if your not a neocon and really would like the troops to have a chance to come home in the next 20 or 30 years stop asking to see the photos. Even with real photos the loons would come out.

Stop looking at polls or you will become out of touch. I know just like you someone will take his spot just like he filled the void of Hitler. But bad guys like them don't grow on trees. Bin ladens time has come to a end and that will bring the troops home sooner then anything that happened since 9-11.

OK ok I see this will be my last tat.

I'm all about ending this war but I'm just not getting myself and others sidetracked. Asking for a photo that I don't think will get us out any faster. Really I think it will just slow us down for a lot of reasons. And I think the war profiteers are trying to make this a shame asking for proof. Now I don't think your a war profiteer I just think your one of the many sidetracked that are asking for proof. You don't need it to say let the troops come home in fact it will slow you down in saying it. And it even has the power to make more war. I hope everyone comes to terms with not having proof because we will never see the photos. So lets stop asking and move forwards to "let the troops come home".

I agree, we should start bringing the troops home. Bush said we went to find BL. We could call it mission complete and take a win. They probably won't.

They probably won't but without this they never would. I bet Obama has a re-elect plan up his sleeve yet. He is not going to let it go to some teabagger.

Bringing the troops home should be top priority. Then lets fix this country, SFirman.

I agree

It needs fixed for sure.

John McCain, Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Glenn Beck or any other Republican ever got their picture on da cover of da "Rolling Stone".

This calls to mind a somewhat similar situation during the Carter presidency. Carter had just brokered a peace - the Camp David Accords - between Egypt, under Anwar Sadat, and Israel, under Menachem Begin. This was a diplomatic achievement that some consider as signal as any in history. At the time, folks I knew believed it made Carter's second term an absolute given.

But then came the Iran hostage crisis, under the Ayatollah Khomeni. Carter tried to solve the issue with diplomacy, but in the meantime he authorized an attempted rescue, but, sadly, the military bungled the operation. And then came Reagan, whose sabre-rattling charmed the American voter into throwing Carter out, and Reagan's election ushered in the Neocon age of American foreign policy and economics.

Simlarly, and more recently, Congress' passage of "Obamacare" led some to acclaim that the Democrats' chestnuts had been pulled from the fire and the Democratic congressional majority continuing with the 2010 elections was assured. But, then came the, um, actual elections.

Was Bin Laden masterminding the movements of the Taliban? Or the "insurgents" in Iraq? Or anyone else, for that matter? Was he indespensable? Will things change? I doubt it, but, "we'll see."

If you are a Democrat, or even an Obama fan, you would do well not to underestimate your adversary. I would add that your assessment of Mr. Obama needs a tuneup regarding reality vs. fantasy, but that's beside the point.

McCain and Palin put together COMBINED, even with help from Glenn Beck, couldn't manage to beat Barack Obama back when he had no military or foreign policy experience at all whatsoever to speak of.
Now this President has overseen the grassroots popular overthrowings of not one but two brutal authoritarian Islamist dictators (going on three, or four, or five...)
and he's managed to kill the most wanted man in the world, the target of the largest man-hunt in the known recorded history of the world...
And that's just in the past six months (or less).

The Republicans couldn't beat him when he had NO experience.
Now that he has more credentials than the Republican field put together combined, and still counting (two years down, two to go)...
All i can say is this:
"Good F@#$%King luck to them!"
They're sure as hell going to need all of it that they can possibly get!

i am hopeful that you are correct. However, Bush Sr. had an approval rating in the 80's after beating Saddam's Iraq out of Kuwait... and he still lost to Clinton.

While there are some important differences to note between Bush Sr's war and Obama's killing of Osama... not to mention differences between the men themselves... there remains the issue of he economy and high gas prices that are an albatross around Obama's neck... and it is not as if the republi-cons are going to do anything to alleviate these issues... no, they want the american people to suffer as much as they can make them suffer over the next two years so that they will turn to them again to finish the job of fucking the american public.

Already, the damage that the rethugs are doing is creating some pretty disastrous consequences... from changing voter registration laws in Florida to prevent people from voting, attacking a woman's right to choose, rolling back child labor laws and attacking labor unions, and cutting necessary programs to those hardest hit by the recession they caused. The American people have a very short attention span, and are not so smart to begin with... i mean, look how long we let the Shrub hang out in the oval office...

We just don't know when we have a good thing. And then there were all those voters who came out in droves to vote for Obama who had airy headed ambitions that he was going to snap his fingers and change dark to light... they will not be there at the voting booths this time around because they feel let down by him.

The progressives certainly have their work cut out for them to get this man re-elected.

Good points... the only guy i think the left really has to fear is Mitt Romney. Perhaps Huntsman... but he does not have the name recognition. Romney has his problems too with his own "RomneyCare"-- but would look good on the economic front.

Gingrich, Palin, Trump, Bachmann, and the rest of the clown squad don't have a snowballs chance in hell.

You said it all, Flick. And I agree. +^d!

You know, you have made the best sense so far from the posts that i've read. Thank you.

That IS the issue. The problem with conspiracy theories is that they don't take us from point "a" to "b," "c," or "d." They just leave us where they found us, more in a rut than before, and even more confounded. If it is, or if it is not (and i certainly do not believe that it it is a hoax), then what... what do we do then?

... And, bottom line, regardless of what you want to believe, the facts will be that Osama is now dead. So what does this mean regarding our war on "terrorism" and continued involvement in the middle east?

i am hopeful that Obama will use this as an opportunity to end Bush's so called "war on terror," pull the troops out of Afghanistan, bring them home, and reclassify terrorism as a police action. Clearly, the extraction of Osama shows us that 50,000 troops is overkill. It is unnecessary. We can covertly deal with those who would harm our nation and its people... there is a smarter way.

Additionally, while Obama may not be working on the time table that many on the left (and even some on the right) believe that he should be... he has pulled combat troops out of Iraq, and has set a timetable to begin pulling troops out of Afghanistan by July. i know it is easy to get frustrated with the man for not being able to correct all the disastrous consequences of the Cheney/Shrub administration with a snap of his fingers... but he hasn't had much cooperation from the right in even his slightest endeavor, and the extent of the problems created by the Shrub's incompetence are not so easily fixed to begin with.

No they really killed him the rising gas prices thats just a bonus.

F***ing Baggers Birthers and Bin-liars

This is not odd at all. As the seals are debriefed, one would expect that the events would be reconciled with the first person accounts of them. We live in a world in which we want news of events immediately. This is going to result in reporting on hearsay and differing versions because the reporters are anxious to simply get a headline out as quickly as possible.

Of course, this fits right into the schemes of those on the right who have no other agenda than to undermine and delegitimize Obama.

You have to admit that Obama's exploiting the tragedy of 9/11 is almost as shameless as Bush's exploitation.

I expect to see more and more revisions from the White House and the Pentagon as the days go by.

I have to admit you don't know what you are talking about. Bush exploited 911 to get us into another war and get himself re-elected out of fear of reprisal attacks. People like you tend to throw pretty rhetoric around which on the surface seems profound but the slightest scratching reveals it's just bunch of unthought out BS.

Is this the best you can do maasanova? Face it, in 2.5 years, with just four men and no casualties, the Obama Administration was able to do what the Bushies couldn't manage in 7 years.

Also, for the record, Bush didn't start the hunt for bin Laden, Clinton did. Got it? The hunt STARTED with a Democratic Administration and was CONCLUDED by a another Democratic Administration. All the GOP did in the meanwhile was kill 4000 US soldiers, hundreds of thousands of civilians and waste trillions of tax dollars.

nice job!

And now the Obama administration is using this hoax to build a case against Pakistan.

The Obama administration seems to have no problem with funding the wars. Also, they are now building a case to attack Pakistan plus they even started one extra war in Libya!

hoax? If it were a hoax wouldn't the Pakistan Government call them on it? We aren't going to go to war against Pakistan over this, Chicken Little

The former head of the Pakistani ISI, General Hamid Gul, IS calling this a whole thing a hoax!

A two year old can see through this cheesy hollywood-style scripting. They threw his body in the sea? Get the fuck outta here!

OMG... clearly your brain is constipated.

That you could even make such a statement is beyond all decency. The right has done nothing but exploit 9/11. Their entire messaging was wrapped up in it... they used it, and still do use it, at every single turn, to justify everything from the deficit to their support for Wall Street... pull your head from your ass, for clearly you can't see beyond your own colon walls.

Obama not only has ceased using the terminology of the "war on terror" except in the rarest of instances, but has hardly mentioned 9/11. It was appropriate for him to mention it in relation to bagging Osama Bin Laden because Osama was the mastermind behind that fateful attack on our nation.

This is what gets me with you teabagging right wingers... you are so fucking hypocritical, lying, and deceitful in every fucking thing that spills from your brainless mouthes. You just say stupid shit like that expecting that people will buy it... and lots do because they are as brainless as you.

The downright shameless exploitation of 9/11 was clearly understandable from the Shrub... i mean, he did let it happen, even after repeated warnings. He and the right had no choice but to wrap themselves in the flag and do everything they could to distract the nation from the awareness that it was due to the brazen incompetency of that administration that we were attacked to begin with.

But now... to see how even still, you fuckers on the right spew out this utter bullshit, continue with lie after lie, revisionism after revisionism, when all Obama is doing is trying to clean up the shitstorm of chaos left behind by the Shrub... from the economy to the two unfunded wars he so blithely stormed us into, takes the fucking cake.

Exactly! And it was the Shrub who stopped the hunt, and the program to prevent terrorism on our soil once he entered office. Read Richard Clark's book, he clearly outlines the approach to terrorism before Osama had those planes fly into the twin towers.

The Bush administration was repeatedly warned of Al Queada's intentions. And they repeatedly ignored those warnings. Then, after the greatest terrorist attack on our soil, which they had done everything in their power to allow to happen through their utter incompetence, they then saw a clear path to culmination of their real plan, which was to invade Iraq by wrapping themselves in the flag and using Osama Bin Laden as a foil to do so... even though Saddam had no connection to terrorism at all.

It is just reprehensible to see the right continuing to wrap themselves in the flag and trying to give the Shrub credit for anything... because of him we not only were attacked, but the aim of those attacks was successful. The purpose of terrorism is to destroy a nation from within.

Due to the Shrub, we have wasted our treasury on two unfunded wars, laid waste our international standing, depleted our military strength, destroyed our economy, turned away from our value system and become a nation that goes shopping to assuage our ever present fear... fear that was continuously exploited by the republicunt party. In my book, they are almost as bad as the so called "terrorists."

The Obama White House is going to Ground Zero to milk this for all it's worth.

Shameless exploitation, just like when he and all those other politcial opportunists used the murder of that little girl in theArizona shooting tragedy for their own political agenda.

keyword - "former" Why don't you get the fuck outta here with your repetitive Chicken Little conspiracy schtick?

"...no casualities...?"

You are mistaking the manhunt for an increasingly irrelevant bogeyman with the wars we are fighting. These are all acts in the same play.

Because I enjoy annoying chumps like you

All good, but it really doesn't have to be a hoax: even in its sordid reality, the whole thing is absurd. An old guy living in a luxury compound in a big city instead of some mountain redoubt, directing the actions of his evil minions with Goldfinger-like absolute control.

This play we are watching, this idiotic fantasy. Take Libya. We are arming and training a rebel force and they are attacking Gadhafi with guns and rockets, and we accuse Gadhafi of murdering civilians when he counterattacks??? This was no Tahrir Square. Six months ago Gadhafi had been declared "rehabilitated" and Big Oil was pandering to him, flooding the country with Western corporate interests. And suddenly there's an armed "insurrection?" And even most lefties are on the side of the rebels.

This whole thing is a sendup. We have no way of knowing what's real. We should not try to guess, nor should we believe what we are told. Only what we see and hear first-hand, and that's not much.

you're just annoying in general. I know you think you're clever and that somehow you're more keyed in than your average chumps but nothing you have written makes me think you possess an original thought in your cavernous head.

You're just parroting rhetoric that you've gleaned off of other websites and other media. I've seen all this before - you present nothing new, nothing that you yourself rubbed two brain cells to come up with.

Politics is all about shameless exploitation. I can not fault any sitting President that would milk this.

No I don't think I'm smarter or more clued in than anyone else here.

Seeing as I've crossed paths with you a few times on issues like this, I just think you're pompous ass. Perhaps you and others see me the same way, but oh well...

Perhaps not edjoyproductions, but we can note the hypocrisy

In rolling through these posts, the folks who are most compulsively profane also seem to be confusing ad hominem attacks with the actual thought process. They're also probably the people who cruise the posts and vote down people who they aim their thoughtless profanity towards. It's not that they're rightwingers, probably, they're just uninformed. Your stuff here, massanova, is pretty good. I posted this link above, but it represents an instance where lefties, rightwingers, and even libertarians are fairly united:

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/in-death-osama-bin-laden-causes-another-war/

As opposed to those who defend Obama? Or, are people who are not "on the right" supposed to never disagree with Obama? Newsflash: There's room to understand that Obama is an elitist Neocon himself. By now, anyone on the left who continues to Hope for Audacious Change may be a lost sheep.

i have never said that people to the left of the right should never criticize Obama. Find a quote of mine where i have made such a statement. Quite to the contrary, i have said that even i disagree with him on some issues. He is not perfect, and he is no saint.

There is room to argue what ever you want to argue... but i have little patience for just inane talking points that have no basis in fact.

While *you* might argue that Obama is an "elitist Neocon himself," and may even be able to have a few points to substantiate such an argument, i would disagree... but would be far less irritated in doing so if your argument went beyond the talking points of the right, or twisting facts to suit your purposes in making your argument.

The issue for me is not blind allegiance. On the other hand, as someone who voted for Obama, and who pays fairly close attention to the political landscape, i do support him and will vote for him in 2012 because 1.) i approve more than disapprove of his actions, and 2.) i have lived through far worse administrations. His administration, regardless of what those on the right would have us believe, has not been chock full of scandal... there have been no brazen lies to the american public to involve us in needless wars, there have been no politicizations of the justice department and firing of attorneys general for political reasons, there has been no outing of covert agents for political payback... there has been no "blue dress," no arms sales to Iran to fund covert actions...

Obama never promised "Audacious Change." He talked about "The Audacity of Hope" and promised "Change." If you believed that one man was going to walk into the White House and daisies were going to bloom, the sun was going to forever shine, and the world would be set aright by the snap of his fingers... and that is why you voted for him... well... all i can say is that you would be a curious creature indeed to be referring to the rest of us as "sheep."

In the real world, with real problems, there are things to mop up, things to piece back together, and it can take quite a while to aright what has been put wrong.

All i am saying is give the man some credit, and stop piling on.

If you are a liberal, a progressive, or an independent and you don't like Obama and his policies, by all means... vote republi-con, or don't vote at all. That is your prerogative. But then, when you ultimately get fucked by the right... as you most assuredly will... and we are left with four more years of disastrous and incompetent leadership, such as we had under Cheney/Bush... then keep your pie hole shut on the complaints... because surely you will deserve what you get.

Thanks corderodedios!

his religion is what motivated all his acts? No, actually what started his anti-western stance was when the Saudis rebuked his offer to fight Saddam Hussein and asked America to step in. But anyway by respecting Islamic burial customs it showed that Osama the terrorist was the target - not Islam

Problem is that people have been jerked around by their noses to follow every despicable lie told about our president to the extent that they can't help themselves any longer...

Their own party and president lied to them repeatedly. Indeed, the republicunt party has shown no compunction at all against lying. It is their bread and butter. Is it any wonder, then, that the people who support the right would prescribe the same traits onto President Obama?

It is called "projection."

IMHO the people that ever had, or still have doubts that our president is american have no value in this discussion, I say to not release the photo's of bin ladin, how about hanging on to them until,,,,,, lets say,,, september 2012

JEWS AND MUSLIMS DO NOT BURY AT SEA:very SIMPLE NO SEA BURIAL THEY ARE NOT VIKINGS!

The sailboat was invented in Egypt. Long before Vikings stopped f*ing sheep.

Vikings burned their dead at sea - big difference! Burial at sea is allowed by Islamic law though land burial is preferred.

http://www.al-islam.org/laws/burial.html

623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

You know, being ignorant of something is fine but being arrogantly ignorant (with caplocks no less) is stupid

we could of gave the body to Theknobfknows so he could look at it then he could pass it on to all the birthers baggers and the bin-liars .

I was looking for that post I knew I seen it .

GOOD POINT .I am not trying to SUMU YOU SAMURAI BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD IN YOUR BEHALF IS PREFRERD, burial sea only in emergency nobody is going out of the way to do this. If SO in the last 1400 years WHO in ISLAM is buried for fish food. SAMURAI DAVE I WON´t make you swallow your sword, just slice it into your belly.
THANKS for the TIP of the sword. PREFERRED is the MAGIC word!

could you be a bit more babbling? I almost understood what you dribbled. The point is that you were wrong. Burial at sea is PERMISSIBLE not prohibited. In this case there were two concerns - 1) what nation would want to officially have him buried on their soil? and 2) they didn't want his grave to become a shrine for terrorists.

Holding on to Osama for a few days, stuffing pork rinds up his nose, cremating him and spreading his ashes over a pig farm might have upset the Muslim community.

I understand your sentiments, but photos of a dead body, no matter whose it is, are not campaign material. If they are shown, and I reluctantly say I believe they should be, it should be now for the right reason, which is to document an action which our government undertook, believing it to be the best solution to an old problem.

agree, not campaign material but also not necessary to be published at all

You are amusing little man, but you really need some new material

Right!

Just as easily as the edited versions of everything he has said since he was dead many years ago... You Know, like the new songs be John Lennon... Just copy words once said and jumble them together for the next round of HollyWood madness....

No red tape.

The delay is mostly procedural and if you are only comparing with one cadaver's DNA, it saves the database comparison to the rest of the "on file" profiles.

It's like your lab result from a blood test. Doctor tells you a week, the lab work takes half an hour.

Good question.

This story has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese.

So what your sayin is they had a big ass fire fight shot the place up, took the body or bodies inside, flew the specimen or body or bodies to a U.S DNA lab (im guessing in afghanistan) tested him got the results that confirmed it was him , called saudi arabia about the body they said no so they threw the body onto a plane or helicopter flew him out to the ocean where they tossed his ass in the water all within 24 hours according to muslim tradition?

I bet the DNA was on one of the US navy ships. But I think when you get months of intel on his spot then go kick down his door have a shoot out and put two in the head you know who your killing. but i'm just old school like that.

lmao!!!!!

That a lil makes sense its technically plausable even but it seems sort of rushed dont you think ? U.S Special forces killed him jumped on the helicopter for about 4hours (the distance between islamabad to karachi) land safely on the craft another 8 hours for the superfast urgent kinda dna test the fbi uses .

Maybe they killed him in this raid , maybe they did a dna test , i dont know , but i do know this story stinks.

A more plausable story maybe they pulled him out alive , tortured him for information and revenge, took turns pissing on him and when they were done waterboarding the shit out cut his dick off shoved it his mouth shot him and tossed him overboard and they didnt want to show how mutilated the body got , took the dna for good measure and finished the test after his ass was already fish food.

Probably with something like this.

http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/21415/