Community | May 07, 2011 | 47 comments

… and you will know “US” by our deeds

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On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves and had been left there for 18, 24 hours or more.
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47 comments // … and you will know “US” by our deeds

  • Ryuu88
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      Ryuu88  
    • Okay seriously that picture is ridiculous, if you would have even tried to present some form of objectivity I might have read the article. :P

    • 1 year ago
  • ArchDruid
  • zoomy1
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      zoomy1  
    • ArchDruid:

      And,of course we can believe anything they tell us, The whole "killing" Bin Ladin thing doesn't even come close to passing the sniff test. Personally I think the whole thing is another elaborately staged lie. I think OBL is definitly, but not the way we're being sold.
      I haven't seen this much hard sell of a bogus "official" story since 9/11, and if there is one thing I have learned in life, it's that "The harder the sell, the cheaper the product" Case in point, when was the last time you saw a TV ad for Rolls Royce.

    • 1 year ago
  • Ragan
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • zoomy1:

      The video of Bin Ladens burial at sea appear to be a manakin in a white sheep. Ive seen burials at sea and the bodies were always sewed up in a homemade body bag with heavy objects to make sure it sinks to the bottom. Bin Ladens body was shown with a bed sheet wrapped around him with a string around his waist and neck. His feet and legs were clearly visible and not covered. If this were the case, I doubt that Islam would accept this as an islamic burial. The body dropping froom this altitude may likely be splattered when it hit the water. Its good hes gone but Al wahiri is still here to continue the work of terror.

    • 1 year ago
  • ArchDruid
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • ArchDruid:

      "said", "said"...way too much has been "said", by all of the wrong people and at the wrong times, too much so to believe. this one reader allows for the possibility that there is a 5% chance that any information government releases is true. beyond that, it is incumbent upon my rational mind to assume that it's not true and to consider why the propaganda is being disseminated.

    • 1 year ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • ArchDruid:

      I don't doubt that Obama may believe what he said too, even though there is the possibility that he doesn't. However, I am much less inclined to now believe that the information given to him by the military was true and accurate. I believe that the Pentagon is much to much in bed with the military industrial corproatocracy.

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Image
    • http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/abc_pol_osama1_110507_wl.jpg

      These videos are of the 2007 version of bin Laden, which is a younger version of the pre-2001 bin Laden. Most people who have average functioning congnitive abilities can compare the 2007 bin Laden with the pre-2001 bin Laden and see that they are obviously two different bin Ladens.

      If these are the last known videos of Osama bin Laden, then why are the media outlets still using the older pictures of the pre-2001 bin Laden?

    • 1 year ago
  • JStation
  • maasanova
  • manfreddrake
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      manfreddrake  
    • Wow, what a cross section of non-fact based insite by people so far removed from the process (read: not accountable for results). You are free to speak your mind only because 1% of the population steps up to ensure your freedom; you are welcome.

    • 1 year ago
  • scooter3282
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • I'll post what it says under video. Here it is.

      "Assuming that any of the facts of the recent Bin Laden killing are accurate - which is a huge assumption - here is my hypothesis about what actually happened and what it all means:

      The shooters were specifically ordered to shoot Bin Laden in the head and dump his body in the sea.

      Why do I think this?

      1. Navy SEALs follow orders. They don't make them up as they go along

      2. SEALs are extremely good combat shooters.

      If they shot him in the face and not the body mass from the very short range within the house, it's because they were told to do that. This was not a confused firefight carried out over long distances. After all, what they essentially did - now that the "facts" are getting out - is that they shot an unarmed man in his bedroom.

      3. The bizarre and highly unorthodox decision to thrown Bin Laden's body in the sea clearly came from the top and was not improvised on the scene.

      4. CIA chief Leon Panetta stated the other day that the US ordered that Bin Laden be killed, not captured as originally reported.

      I strongly doubt that either the Navy or even the White House specified this manner of killing and body disposal.

      So who was driving this bus?

      This has CIA written all over it.

      Here's why:

      1. Savage and pointlessly thuggish

      2. SEALs and other special forces often work under the command of the CIA especially when it comes to assassinating non-Americans overseas.

      3. The CIA has hoodwinked and tried to hoodwink presidents in the past using this very same formula.

      a. Carry out an operation with the President's general approval
      b. Carry out the operation in their own way and in a way that the President would never have agreed to in order to achieve their own agenda
      c. Leave the president holding the bag, or getting the credit as the case may be.

      Examples:

      1. The Bay of Pigs - CIA organized their own invasion of Cuba believing they would be able to force President Kennedy to provide air support at the last minute. Kennedy refused, fired the head of the CIA and was killed just a few years later under highly suspicious circumstances after beginning to dismantle the CIA.

      2. The U2 scandal - Right before a crucial US/USSR summit, spy pilot Gary Powers was sent on a reckless and impossible mission by the CIA specifically to create an incident to prolong the cold war. It worked.

      3. Iran/Contra - Senile and out of touch, Ronald Reagan agreed to one set of operations to help the Contras and open channels of communication with Iran. The CIA and friends turned it into a guns-for-drug bonanza for themselves with terrorism against Central American civilians thrown in for good measure.

      Yes, there was a general order in place to "get" Bin Laden, dead or alive. Was Obama deeply involved? I seriously doubt it.

      My guess is the reality is that the great fearless leader Barack Obama was called away from a basketball game with the announcement that "we found him."

      Then he and his Seven Dwarves - some in on it the real deal, most not - watched as the operation unfolded on TV.

      That 's when Obama learned that an unarmed Osama was getting shot in the head and dumped in the sea.

      After it all went down, Obama was given a choice: take the credit and be a hero or admit he had no idea of what was really going on and that he is not in charge of the country's military and foreign policy.

      Why did the CIA do this?

      The same reason the CIA put Gary Powers aloft on a suicide mission right before a highly sensitive US/USSR summit:

      They want to prolong the bogus War on Terror forever, or at least as long as is humanly possible. Now that even the dullest of dimwits is waking up to the fact that the War on Terror is a total fraud it's especially important to keep the game going.

      "Coincidentally", a week before the shooting, hundreds of prisoners, some of them skilled Taliban operatives and officers, "escaped" from a prison in Kandahar, Afghanistan.

      And the news media is now warning us: "Al Qaeda" declares it will seek revenge.

      All in the service of keeping the War on Terror going another 50 to 100 pointless years. Or maybe even 1000.

      This was part of what Eisenhower was warning about in his farewell speech: Beware the Military-Industrial Complex, i.e. the guys who want nothing so much as endless war from one end of the planet to another because it's how make money and expand their power.

      Note to those unfamiliar with the US Constitution: We did not elect a group of shadowy figures to make foreign and defense policy. That they are doing so in broad daylight - with the help of the news media running endless BS cover stories - should be alarming.

      In it's own way, this latest action is evidence of an ongoing coup in Washington that started with Eisenhower and just keeps rolling on."

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Leen61:

      There are only two countries in the world which have arrogated to themselves the right to assassinate people in other countries despite international law - the USA and Israel. Furthermore, by doing this, the USA has broken its own laws.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • We sold our soul as a nation. When the pictures of Abu Ghraib came out there was rightful indignation that we in this country could stoop to such behavior. Now it is the accepted norm. It is very sad.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • This is the sad truth and something that the U.S. can't run away from. We are no better than any other country who uses immoral tactics to achieve their end result. We are no longer a nation of laws. Gitmo will come back to haunt us. Why do you think this countinues under the Obama administration? Because the same people are running the show. Think Cheney and Co. Speaking of Cheney, he has been awfully silent during all this about OBL, as well as his daughter Liz.

    • 1 year ago
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • scooter3282
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      scooter3282  
    • Leen61:

      And we all know why the Cheney's are silent. They don't want to say anything that would suggest they are praising Obama and they can't bad mouth the operation that Dickie most likely green lighted. There's a reason he is living within a stone's throw of Quantico. He's still the boss.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • scooter3282:

      Oh sure he is, scooter. That's why he never went back to Wyoming. He will be involved with politics/Pentagon and have his hand in everything until the day he dies.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Leen61:

      Yes, and it is our children who will be haunted. This is why I and others state that if it indeed was bin laden at that compound, that they should have taken him in and put him on trial. We spent trillions on wars, killing innocent people, killing our children in a country that did not attack us, putting ourselves in debt they will have to pay for and in the process selling our soul, and we get nothing to show for it? Those responsible for this on all sides should be accountable for their actions.That to me is real justice, not cowboy justice. But as you stated, justice appears to be dead as well. Personally, I never thought I would see this day, but I guess I too have been living in a world of illusion where I actually thought the law mattered and where showing you are better than those you fight was simply part of living in a civilized society.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • JanforGore:

      Jan,
      I agree with your comment on all fronts. I never thought I would live to see this day, either. The law and doing what is right no longer matters...very sad.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Leen61:

      And the one thing so many do not seem to understand, is that any one of us can be deemed such an enemy and disposed of if those in charge (and I do think it is the same ones including Cheney) think it is warranted, and also other countries adopting the same protocol can then take it upon themselves to do the same. This goes beyond even what happened at that compound. Perhaps that is simply too high an ideal for many to comprehend? Even Bashir, who is responsible for millions dying in Darfur was indicted by the World Court.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • JanforGore:

      Jan,
      This country would want nothing to the World Court or our prior ideals such as Habeas Corpus because we are still protecting the entire Bush/Cheney administration. Going the route of military tribunals for the Gitmo detainees rather than trying them in a court of law smacks of that cowboy justice you mentioned because these tribunals are nothing more than kangaroo courts. What has happened to our civilization indeed? Gone are the days that anyone is confident of receiving real justice.

    • 1 year ago
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • Leen61:

      Rick Ungar (Forbes) said he believes Cheney is the antichrist -- I don't believe in the precepts of 'organized religion' so I don't believe in the antichrist, but considering the only way this s.o.b. can breathe is because he has a machine doing it for him, there's at least a modicum of evidence that points to that possibility :-). That said, all 'we' have to do is figure out a way to turn off that damned machine!

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • wolfess:

      Exactly, wolfess! That SOB is being kept alive by health insurance we can't obtain. If he were anybody else, he would be dead already. I want to turn off that machine alright!

    • 1 year ago
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • Leen61:

      I know, and he sees nothing wrong with having the kind of insurance (and money; any power) he has compared to what the rest of us have -- he reminds me a lot of the badyear blimp ... "I've earned what I have and you peons be damned." Remember the peons in the French Revolution -- it's past time for a little righteous adjudication.

    • 1 year ago
  • scooter3282
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      scooter3282  
    • Leen61:

      Even Cheney's own friends have commented that with each near-death experience this robot has "lived" through, he has become less of who he was to the point of non-recognition. Cheney has gradually become a cyborg. Even his latest look appears closer to Lex Luthor, a cartoon villian that only mimics real life. I think he's actually past the point of pulling the plug or even driving a stake into his mechanical heart. His creators will simply rebuild him, like the 6 Million Dollar Man. But by now, Cheney has become the 60 million dollar man.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • wolfess:

      I'll say it's past time. wolfess. It's long overdue. But we are sure trying here in WI! There is another rally to be held in Madison on Saturday, May 14th.

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • scooter3282:

      Please don't scare me like this -- my last best hope has always been that when his time is up it really will be 'up' -- leave it to this sonaofabitch to even cheat God! Oh wait ... I believe in the GodDESS; I know from my years of pms and perimenopause that when SHE gets tired of him it WILL be OVER :-)!!!!

    • 1 year ago
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • Leen61:

      It would be soooo cool if I could be at that rally -- I need another rebellion shot in the arm -- I think rallying with all you good people could be just what the doctor ordered :-)!!

    • 1 year ago
  • KB723
  • JanforGore
  • Leen61
  • Leen61
  • scooter3282
  • scooter3282
  • scooter3282
  • wolfess
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • Leen61:

      I'm seriously thinking about coming -- I looked up the miles on mapquest and discovered it isn't as far to Madison as it is to my hometown; it's a straight shot from here to Iowa City and then I make a little turn to get the rest of the way. I haven't been able to talk my husband into making the trip, and I'm kinda nervous about driving alone. I checked out plane tix and there is no way to do that, but I am still seriously thinking about coming. I'll let you know ...

    • 1 year ago
  • Leen61
  • scooter3282
  • PoliticalAmazon
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