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Obama’s Middle East Speech Has Many American Audiences
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR
President Obama spoke about Middle East policy at the State Department on Thursday.

Thursday’s speech by President Obama on the upheaval in the Middle East is aimed at a global audience. But it will also play out in a domestic — and political — context as Mr. Obama seeks a second term in the White House.

Since taking office, Mr. Obama has sought to strike a balance between reaching out to the Muslim world while also combating terrorism and pushing for progress toward peace between Israel and the Palestinians. The as-yet unfulfilled promise of that approach, which he described in a speech in Cairo in 2009, helped win him the Nobel Peace Prize early in his presidency.

But the effort to construct a cohesive narrative for American voters about his administration’s efforts in the region has proved more difficult. The peace process has been largely halted. The move away from Bush-era terrorism policies has gone more slowly than expected. And the uprisings in the Arab world have forced case-by-case decisions that sometimes appear contradictory.

“They need to make the case for why all of this stuff matters to Americans and give some narrative that makes sense for all the different things we are doing,” said Marc Lynch, the director of the Institute for Middle East Studies at George Washington University.

Mr. Obama’s decision to launch the raid in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden has clearly helped to define for Americans a new Obama story in the region. Thursday’s speech will give the president the opportunity to put those actions in a broader context, Mr. Lynch said.

Jewish voters are a small but critical Democratic constituency in terms of both votes and fund-raising; Mr. Obama, a Democrat, won nearly 80 percent of the Jewish vote in the 2008 election. That support will be particularly important Mr. Obama, who has been viewed with suspicion by some Jewish voters because of his early efforts to put pressure on Israel to stop settlement construction.

“Pivoting into presidential campaign season, they are going to want to have in place a robust story to tell,” said Mr. Lynch, who writes the Middle East blog for Foreign Policy magazine. “The more that they can choose a few clear themes that fit together into a clear story, the better.”

Thursday’s speech at the State Department is designed to be the first in a series of rhetorical opportunities for the president. On Friday, he will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for a conversation that will be closely watched by the Jewish community in the United States.

And this weekend, Mr. Obama will address the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the largest pro-Israel lobby in the United States. Together, the post-speech events will give the president a chance to assert his support for Israel early in the 2012 campaign cycle.

White House aides who previewed the speech for reporters Wednesday said that the president would use the opportunity to speak about the Middle East and North Africa region as a whole and how its challenges relate to the United States.

“Now, having wound down the Iraq war and continuing to do so, and having taken out Osama bin Laden, we are beginning to turn the page to a more positive and hopeful future for U.S. policy in the region,” a senior administration official said. “The president will have the opportunity to speak broadly about the change in the Middle East and North Africa, the implications for U.S. policy, and some concrete proposals for American policy going forward.”

Whom will he be speaking to? Leaders and citizens in the Middle East, of course. But several different American audiences will also be listening carefully to what he says. Here are some of them:

* His 2012 rivals: Before Bin Laden was killed, the Republican candidates for president had begun attacking Mr. Obama as a weak, feckless leader with no backbone. That argument is more difficult to make now.

But Mr. Obama’s rivals for the White House are not going to back away entirely from their criticisms of his foreign policy. They will be listening to his speech on Thursday for ways to criticize his policies toward Iran and his outreach to the Arab world.

They will also be watching closely for any evidence that Mr. Obama is being critical of Israel in the hopes they could use that as an electoral advantage.

* Liberals: Mr. Obama’s base has been frustrated at times by his willingness to continue anti-terrorism policies put in place by his predecessor. The terrorist detention facility at Guantánamo Bay — which remains open despite Mr. Obama’s promise to close it — is a constant reminder of their dissatisfaction.

The speech gives Mr. Obama a chance to describe how his approach to the region fulfills his campaign promises and to claim that his policies have worked better than Mr. Bush’s. That could help energize his base — a crucial part of the path toward getting reelected.

* American Jews: The president’s early decision to press Israel to end settlements was done in the hope that it might kick-start peace talks with the Palestinians. In fact, after the Israelis balked, the policy has so far failed to move the peace process along. The administration’s top negotiator, former senator George Mitchell, quit last week.

But in the process, the tough-love approach to Israel caused friction between Mr. Obama and some Jewish voters. That could be particularly important in certain swing states like Florida, where there is a large Jewish population.

* Congress: The debates in the House and Senate during the next 18 months are likely to focus primarily on the domestic economy. But with the House under Republican control, leaders there may be looking for ways to question Mr. Obama’s handling of foreign policy, especially in the volatile Middle East.

Republicans struggled at the height of the Middle East uprisings earlier this year, first criticizing the president’s lack of action in Libya and then later criticizing the aggressive use of force in ways that Mr. Obama said would halt the slaughter of those leading the uprising.

Democratic lawmakers, too, will be watching the speech for clues to the defense they may have to mount to Republican criticism. Last year’s extended debate over a nuclear treaty with Russia showed how differences over foreign policy can sometimes play out in the halls of Congress.
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132 comments // Obama’s Middle East Speech Has Many American Audiences - NYT

  • gump
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      gump  

    • Thank you my president for standing up for peace on earth. God BlessYou. And God Bless Humans the world over.

    • 1 year ago
  • samthesixth
  • congoboy
  • manfreddrake
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      manfreddrake  

    • Peace in the middle east is like looking for the end of a rainbow; always out of sight and even if you could find it, there would only be the realization that there is no pot of gold.

    • 1 year ago
  • gump
  • freecrack
  • maasanova
  • freecrack
  • Malikskyy
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      Malikskyy  

    • If nothing else, the repubs are predictable; no matter which decision Obama had taken, they took the opposite. Which makes it non-essential for them to have a basic understanding of the conflict in general and the 1967 border in particular? Again, the criticism from the right would hold some type of weight if they actually gave a dam about a two-state solution. It’s amazing how the rhetoric from the right grows with each news segment from repubs who are vociferous in telling other nations how to run their countries, while they themselves are clueless and quiet as mimes when it comes to providing solutions for their own country.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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    • Malikskyy:

      we took a good lesson from the leftylibs during the bush years, turn about is fair play my brother. i would also like to correct you, its the libs who really only care for a single state solution but one favoring the backward 7th century cut throat islamo-fascists.

    • 1 year ago
  • gump
  • crystalman
  • galwayman
  • Demtothecore
  • crystalman
  • Demtothecore
  • SFirman
  • xena
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      xena  
    • galwayman:

      Well, that goes with the other stuff you're thinking based on your comments. The anti-Christ as I understand it, is supposed to have everyone mesmerized. That's not even true here on Current, nor if I look at the news or the pundit shows, and certainly not by the Repubs, and then there's you. So disagree, based on my observations and your adamant protestations to boot.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
  • dinm76
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    • Obama is the unquestioned master of sitting on the fence and he as proven that once again. Hope and change? I heard NOTHING of that today.
      Telling the Palestinians that the 1967 border should be excepted by Isreal was (balanced, in the Fox sense of the word) with telling them that Hamas, as a partner, would never be exceptable! Neither position has a snow balls chance in hell of ever happening. AND THEN he tells the Palestinians to not even try to go the diplomatic route through the UN to get recognized statehood!
      Isn't that how Israel won their statehood?
      Add this failure to all the rest...
      gitmo, offshore drilling, unions, puplic option, the wars,wall street reform, campaign finance reform, lobbiest, Manning.......
      This list is getting kind of long!
      WHEN is a true Progressive going to challenge this guy?
      And another thing...
      Obama said the United States entered Libya at the request of the Arab League. A few days after this they also requested a (no fly zone) over the Gaza Strip. Other then a report on Current, (which quickly disapeared) it was NOT reported on any main stream media and Obama ignored it!
      Obama? I just don't understand the greatness expressed by a lot of posters on this site.

    • 1 year ago
  • gump
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      gump  
    • dinm76:

      The greatness for me is based on thin hope. But even thin hope might be real. God help us. I admire your agile and accurate thinking . I uped your comment.

    • 1 year ago
  • KB723
  • cherry5000
  • congoboy
  • savvy7
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      savvy7  

    • Most of the Jews who voted for Obama, are Jews who understand the need to come to terms with the Palestinian people so that Israel can truly live and it's descendants may thrive.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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      Demtothecore  
    • savvy7:

      EXACTLY! And because of this same recognition by Rabin that radical killed him. There will NEVER be peace in the middle east until borders are pushed back and respected. AND what I love about what President Obama said, is though they are our allies something must be done about their actions which will only keep the flames of conflict going. That is the fucking truth.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • crystalman
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • Demtothecore
  • Demtothecore
  • congoboy
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    • Demtothecore:

      you know if you'd study the history instead of parroting what the uneducated leftylibs spew you'd know that israel has come to the table of peace extending an olive branch many times only to have the palestinians break truce after truce by lobbing explosives into israeli civilian neighborhoods or blowing themselves up in public marketplaces. if palestine truly wants peace then they have to make a genuine and sincere effort by first announcing israels right to exist.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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    • congoboy:

      You are talking BULLSHIT! The only time any form of agreement was reached was with Rabin and Arafat and look what they did to Rabin! Go read a book or something and get the real info before spouting talking points! Damn is it that easy for you to be fooled by those assholes?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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    • Demtothecore:

      and look what they did to arafat! are you referring to the jews as assholes? that could be considered anti semitic. really, the major asshole players in the middle east are of arabic descent. now you go read a book for a change, you might learn something

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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      Demtothecore  
    • congoboy:

      Arafat was pinned down by the jews shelling Palestine and targeting Arafat's folks so don't even try that shit plus he dies of natural causes. Rabin was shot. Would you consider that natural causes?

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
  • congoboy
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    • Demtothecore:

      wow for someone who knows a lot about history you dont know shit. again quit parroting your leftylib drinking buddies and pick up a book. arafat was assasinated by arabs resentful of his peace with israeli ways. so you see these murdering fucks go way back and even murder their own.

    • 1 year ago
  • gump
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      gump  
    • congoboy:

      Like maybe Rabin would do the same ? well he was killed like our JFK and by the same people. You are under thumbs from this side of the world . The owners of those thumbs care nothing for the people of Israel except to hold Israel as a hostage population on the other side of the world to point at and say things like WE MUST DEFEND THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE HELPLESS WITHOUT OUR MILITARY AND OUR UNDIVIDED BLIND COMMITMENT . When in reality a population of innocent people were put in harms way to be a CIA colony . A base for murderous activity against other innocent people . Now we are in a tangled mess that was designed specificly to tangle us all up at the mercy of the designers. WE HAVE ONLY A NARROW HOPE FOR PEACE AND THAT IS KILLED WHERE EVER PEOPLE CHOOSE TO DENIE IT THE WAY YOU HAVE EXPRESSED YOUR DENIAL. You are being manipulated. The innocent people of Israel and the innocent people of all the mideast are in harms way together. We must make peace on our own human terms as humans. And guard against manipulation by designers of human events who care not for us but for what we can do for them while dieing for them. Our eventual demize is just another positive for them. They dont like to share.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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    • Demtothecore:

      you can refer to me any way you want, last i checked we were still for the most part living in a free country. not that i need to give myself creedence but i am also jewish although one of the rare american varieties, a conservative jew. but its kinda funny. the way you describe me is the typical mo of an american liberal. go figure

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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    • congoboy:

      "ASSASSINATED BY ARABS!" Yes, you have your info together. A brain hemorrhage took him out in 04 in Paris after suffering for years of brain disease which some would say was brain cancer is indeed a conspiracy theory. Have you contacted Jessie Venture with your theory as yet? Do you realize you are falling right into the argument of the Palestinians who say the Israelis did this to Arafat without any proof? And you call me misinformed! LOL! OH Lord you are indeed a damn claffy!

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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      Demtothecore  
    • congoboy:

      Do you even know the meaning of Liberal? Here, go study this:

      1 open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values : they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people.
      • favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms : liberal citizenship laws.
      • (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform : a liberal democratic state.
      • ( Liberal) of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
      • ( Liberal) (in the UK) of or relating to the Liberal Democrat Party : the Liberal leader.
      • Theology regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
      2 [ attrib. ] (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
      3 (esp. of an interpretation of a law) broadly construed or understood; not strictly literal or exact : they could have given the 1968 Act a more liberal interpretation.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • Demtothecore
  • gump
  • gump
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      gump  
    • Demtothecore:

      It was a well written and well spoken speach. Expressing hope for the innocents throughout the land. God bless Obama a man who volunteered to walk through fire to try to stop human degradation. Against all odds.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Demtothecore:

      it seems the dismissle is a common element in your functioning, as you have dismissed the crimes the palestinians are guilty of in favor of the identical ones israel is guilty of.

      cuz the palestinians have never attacked civilians right?

      do me a favor and let me know of the thousands of attacks the palestinians have aimed at israel how many of those were at the idf or the state vs civilian populations?good luck finding even one

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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      Demtothecore  
    • freecrack:

      OK for the last time get a history book or even search the net. Who took away the land from whom? And why would they not resist being thrown off their land? And if you take a mirror and look under your rass you would see the "dismissle" you trying to talk about!

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Demtothecore:

      the information i am sharing with you is from the library of congress,israeli archives as well as martin gilbert historical documentation.
      the jews PURCHASED unoccupied land wich they developed into the state of israel.making the creation of israel not coming at the expense of any palestinians.

      the only point at wich the palestinains were removed was after they declared war, and waged it from those villages.making those homes the markers of success in the conflict the palestinians issued.

      of course they have the right to be upset at the way things turned out.by all reasonable calculations thier is no way israel should have survived.i mean with every arab army backing the palestinians up they should have won.but the reality is that they didnt.and they, not israel or the jews,made palestinian homes subject to invasion or occupation.

      egypt didnt lose its citizens homes cuz they met israel on the battlefield.and as a result when israel won it was that battlefield they were in control of.before israel could march into cairo they signed a cease fire as they didnt want to lose any more of the land that they had put up for grabs via war.it sucks that the palestinians waged war from village to village as opposed to on open battlefields.but that was thier choice to risk thier homes.they have absolutely no right to be pissed at israel for winning.hate the game not the playa.

      if so then india has every right to tromp pakistan then right?cuz the pakistanis took indian land?
      what other people get to wage war and not lose the positions from wich that war was waged from when they lose?
      that has been how humanity has functioned from the dawn of time till presently.
      was hitler right that germany should have not had land taken after losing ww1?
      would the jews be rightious if they were lobbing rockets at the civilians of berlin?

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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      Demtothecore  
    • freecrack:

      The first paragraph of your drivel is enough proof of what is being said. If the story is being written by those doing the land grabbing and being supported by their allies do you really expect them to speak the truth? Honestly now you cannot be that naive! If their actions was so right why did they kill one of the only leaders they had who saw the light and wanted them to stop? Why is Sharon in a coma for how many years to facilitate the warmonger Netanyahu to grab power when they saw Sharon was about to stop the expansion? Again you can believe any damn thing you want but know most of the folks/jews who came here directly and have been friends of my dad for years and also do business with my extended family agree with the fact that the actions of the Israelis will never bring peace to the region. Not a very large group but know the sentiment is there with the Jewish people. The radicals/extremist NO! And for your information India was divided into two complements of the British with the Kashmir region as the divider and the two sides are busy fighting each other on the quiet not realizing they are the same country. This was the policy of the then great UK who did the divide and conquer BS putting each side against each other to keep them apart! A trick which have worked for centuries. And please don't bring Hitler into this as a sleight of hand BS. That evil bastard has no place in this pissing match in the middle east. And as for the Jews lobbing rockets into the civilians of Berlin now? Over 60 years past? Are you high? What should have been done is the league of nations at that time should have stopped Stalin and given the Jews East Germany! Now that would have been a blast! And since you are into "what if's" do you think African Americans deserve reparation for centuries of slavery, OR just the Japanese? YOU HAVE NOW BEEN DISMISSED!

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Demtothecore:

      amazing.just simply amazing.
      i have to at least thank you for being up front at least.most who come from your vantage point dont care to openly dismiss reality as you do.

      the story isnt what im citing.im citing facts that are agreed upon by varied sources.pro-israel and anti-israel sources a like.but regardless of these facts being objectively agreed upon by all parties as what transpired, you dismiss them based on personal assumptions.

      zionist settlements failed repeatedly due to malaria outbreaks in swamp lands.wich means the palestinians,nor the turks,nor the brits, could set up shop there either.no human beings could thirve on that land.despite that being a simple reality, you still chose, with no explanation to claim otherwise.
      the mangroves that were needed in order to dry up the swamps werent there before, and were imported by the zionists.yet you dismiss literal physical evidence "just cuz".
      fucking amazing.
      im not dismissing your position.you are doing it to yourself.

      since when is an assassination of a leader representative of a people?
      are the united states a pro-slavery society based on lincoln being assassinated?
      are we pro-racism for king being assassinated?
      are we anti-beatles cuz lennon was assassinated?
      wtf?
      does this extend to the arab world equaly?
      are the pakistanis defacto war mongers for assassinating buto?
      egypts assassination of its leaders who wanted peace show that they are warmongers as a whole, despite real world actions stating the exact opposite?

      so the brits split up india and it can go one way, but when it goes the same way as a result of the same split in palestine it is some how different?

      so humanity and the nature of it has changed now so that history no longer proves relevant?
      people function differently now than they did 60 yrs ago?
      those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it is no longer a viable truth?

      you have done a fine job dismissing yourselve in yur refusal to accept reality.the reality the rest of us are willing to negotiate towards a better tomorrow.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • crystalman
  • Paratus
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      Paratus  

    • This speech was by a guy who cannot secure his own borders telling Israel what to do with their borders. He is an idiot. Israels enemies don't want peace. They want Israel in the Med and out of existence. Barry is throwing Israel under the bus just as he is throwing this country under the bus.

    • 1 year ago
  • ZiggyStrange
  • kennymotown
  • cherry5000
  • kennymotown
  • Demtothecore
  • kennymotown
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • Incredulous
  • congoboy
  • Demtothecore
  • SFirman
  • Demtothecore
  • Demtothecore
  • ZiggyStrange
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    • Demtothecore:

      Yeah I know the type.
      The Keyboard Warrior; Technological spawn of the Internet.

      by Alex Chui on Sep.11, 2010, under Alex Chui

      11th September 2010.

      Hmm, sounds familiar? Remind of somebody you know? I’m sure many have heard of the term “Keyboard Warrior”. But for those who haven’t, here’s a quick introduction of whom you could have been or maybe still are.

      According to the Urban Dictionary, A keyboard warrior is generally someone that is spending more time behind the keyboard (on the internet) than anywhere else. He/she is a person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence (owing to their physical weakness, lack of bravery and/or conviction in real life), instead manifests said emotions through the text-based medium of the internet, usually in the form of aggressive writing that the Keyboard Warrior would not (for reasons previously mentioned) be able to give form to in real life.

      In layman terms, the keyboard warrior is very much alike a pot-bellied drunken uncle in your neighbourhood kopitiam watching the live telecast of the EPL every weekend.They are the type who probably have never played the game in their lives but simply love screaming even louder than the team’s manager on ground. And in even more simpler of pictorial forms, this:

      http://blog.nus.edu.sg/iseet/2010/09/11/the-keyboard-warrior-technological-spawn...

    • 1 year ago
  • gump
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      gump  
    • congoboy:

      When? befor you decided to reject being human by rejecting humanity's own palestinian people. And the arabs and the Iranians. Millions of semites you rejected. You are denieing your humanity. Isolateing your self. Lets sit down and think of some ways to make things better. Your suicidal path is pointless.

    • 1 year ago
  • gump
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      gump  
    • congoboy:

      Now you are talking crap about my immediate nieghbors. Keep your racist crap away from my nieghborhood. Youare useing fighting words now......in a place where you are nothing but wrong. Back off and move softly.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • Warren_Merrill
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      Warren_Merrill  

    • There is no way to have peace with a group that wants you exterminated. Israel was insane to give back any ground they won after being attacked. The only exception was the Sinai because the Eqyptians were willing to break with the Arab world on peace with Israel. Israel shouldn't give back any more land.

    • 1 year ago
  • ZiggyStrange
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      ZiggyStrange  
    • Warren_Merrill:

      It's the only way. Most of my Jewish relatives are not falling for the right wing spin.
      They know the situation in Israel is not sustainable. They need to have 2 homelands,and then work out peace.

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
  • Demtothecore
  • kennymotown
  • Warren_Merrill
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    • kennymotown:

      As long as Arabs exist there will be no peace. Arabs do not recognize Jews right to live. They want Jews exterminated. I talked to six of my familiy members today. My family is outraged at Obama. The four who voted for Obama said they will never vote for his reelection regardless of who is running against him. I'll be interested to hear the feedback they bring back from Temple this weekend.

      Israel's suvival is based on their military, their military intelligence and the Middle East's knowledge the US will reak havoc on any organization or country who harms Israel. To this point Israel has done a tremendous job of defending their country.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
  • congoboy
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    • Warren_Merrill:

      yup, isreal already has given up too much land they legitimately won in 1967. for what? more unprovoked missile attacks into their civilian neighborhoods. they ought to take back what theyve given up, back to the 1967 borders!

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
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  • gump
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      gump  
    • Warren_Merrill:

      Israel has done a job of making itself hated and dispized . That is differnt than defending itself. What is blinding you Warren-Merrill . ?????? You said "as long as arabs exist there will be no peace " and " arabs do not recognize jews right to live " YOU are all twisted up. YOU are putting up the sign s of intollerance. YOU are declaring NO PEACE HERE !!! YOU are makeing people targets of terror by creating fear and loathing . THIS IS NOT BENNEFICIAL TO ISRAEL OR ANY THING ELSE ON EARTH. STOP IT . STOP BEING A STUPID TWIT.

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
  • Demtothecore
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      Demtothecore  
    • congoboy:

      Land grabbing? Bulldozing folks out of their homes? Invading and opening fire on folks protesting their land being taken? SHIT now just imagine your neighbor doing the same to you. Would you greet them with roses? And if my "lack of history info" is that; lacking why was Rabin killed by his own when he said "this cannot continue anymore. We must change and make this great land the land of milk and honey?" I guess he too was a socialist? Coward or an idiot?

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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    • gump:

      Gump with this I rest my case. Those who have the ability to look, listen and learn will do so but those who depend on others to tell them when to look, listen and learn stand not a snow balls chance in hell. Bravo to you my friend... BUT there is a strong possibility you are wasting your time! Just imagine if this was going on right now in one of our states or even Hawaii/PR, Guam or some US interest. Just imagine the shit storm when the borders begin to expand at the expense of those who own the land legit. Remember the Falklands War and how the US assisted the UK to keep their little slice of heaven when the Argentineans tried to do the land grab?

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
  • Demtothecore
  • congoboy
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    • Demtothecore:

      i get along with the folks on my block so this would never be an issue. unlike the muslims who refuse to get along with their neighbors, which is the reason for most of the conflicts in the world. you really should study up honey. therse a whole big world of truth and information for those who wish to reach beyond the opinions of their uneducated friends

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
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    • congoboy:

      Shit so graduating with honors with a BA in History dealing with European and dabbling in Middle Eastern and I am still devoid? DAMN and it cost so damn much and yet I am still devoid! Now during your matriculation did you major in bullshit?

    • 1 year ago
  • Demtothecore
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
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    • Demtothecore:

      you should dabble a little more you might actually learn something, an education doesnt necessarily make one smart especially when taught by a biased left leaning professor in one of our many fine institutions of lower learning. but good luck on that. when a woman's on her back intelligence is really irrelevant anyway right?

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