While He's Missing With Their Millions, Can The IRS Prosecute Harold Camping ?

That's the bottom line regardless of how we feel about the people who foolishly gave away their life savings.

Love this FIG.....

After he convinced them that they wouldn't need it anymore......

Conning people into handing over their money is theft in my book.

You got me on that one
I had to laugh.

and if Huey gets it wrong send your money to me and I will send you another rightous prediction RFLMAO

You're the one that's being taken for a ride if you believe for one moment that the outcome of this story will somehow have a political spend on it.

You're dumber than what they were if you believe that.

Again, you too are one that's being taken for a ride if you believe for one moment that the outcome of this story will somehow have a political spend on it.

You too are dumber than what they were if you believe that.

The word is 'spin' not 'spend'. Just thought you'd like to know. :-)

Thank you.

Organized religions = dangerous mental constructs

God by any other name would smell as sweet .the things your describing is a human condition and has very little to do with God or religion.not having morals , greed, and self rightousness is all human ,not christian.

I understood every thing perfectly .sometimes it's just hard not to say something because i am a non-nutty christian. Christian is a dirty word around here. It seems to me that there is a general prejudice towards christians on this sight based on a few crazy groups of people..Every now and then according on my mood I just have to say something. Sorry it was your post that caught my eye

thanks ,we're good and I don't deny there are alot of evangelists out there for money or notoriety . They do so much more damage on so many different levels. I take solace in the fact that people often fall prey to the same traps they set for others

I may have made fun of them but I felt sorry for this guy.
It was not warranted for people to fun of him the way they did as we all have something we strongly believe in.
I'm not the religious type as I have had way too much when I was in school. I don't believe in organized religion and a building doesn't make your belief in religion more. It's in your heart and this is what I believe this fellow had in his heart.
Don't rag on him for his actions, HE may feel bad enough that he was taken for a fool like many others had by Camping which is sad.

Church's may be tax free, but preachers and all of their ministries are not always completely tax free.

I totally agree with you.

I just hope he doesn't become a politician and run for Office. The sheeple would vote him in.

Nice use of euphemism. :D

I spoke to an attorney before I posted this thread and he said that the biggest question that Harold Camping will have to answer will probably defer to why, if the world was ending, should his worldwide followers send their life savings to him and his church ? What good was the money going be to him if, in fact, he was going to be raptured too ?He won't be able to give a logical response to that. Sure, their actions were dumb to you and me, but 501-c3's have strict codes and guidelines that they are required to adhere to.

You can add his name to list of people (Julian Assange, Hosne Mubarak, Muommar Gaddafi, Osama Bin Laden, etc).. that have gone done in the past year. This man stole from the world. The international community won't stand for.

Watch and see.

Mr. Wizard right now he is my hero for ripping off those idiots. I guess he could say it was a donation to the church and the money was for a gate fee if some of the flock could not get in. Remember the one that needed a few million to live, if not God would strike him dead? Was he charged with anything? If these idiots want to be taken then by all means take them. Harsh but a damn good lesson for then to learn.

I hope his rapture is a very motivated hooker who is hell bent on getting some of the loot! Damn that would make good late night comedy!

No not more and more. They're identical twins.

He looks just like him.

The shadow reminds me of Count Dracula.

Now that is just freaky as Hell!

I am all for prosecting the bastards for their money tricks, but I don't think there is a judicial basis for what other idiots do based on the preachings.

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Your right and that's the problem. Hundreds of thousands of other mental and emotionally ill people have the very same propensity to behave the same way. We might not be able to hold him accountable for her actions, but the IRS at the very least, should be investigation the money trail. He's disappeared because he, his attorneys and his CPA's are too busy counting the worldwide heist. Freeze all of his bank accounts for now. and if he somehow is able to check out clean just remove the freeze. That's the very least that they should do. The shithead ran a scam on the entire international community. I can absolutely guarantee you that he broke the law(s) somewhere.

This crook make both David Koresh and Jim Jones look like cub scouts. It would irresponsible for the international community and our government to turn a blind eye towards him now. Don't be so quick to give this flim flam man a free pass.

I don't, either. Just like some people are eagerly waiting for the next Elmer Gantry to come down the road, so they can donate to his religious cause, some people are waiting for a reason to do harm to themselves.

Are you sure? He can’t yell “Fire” in a theater no matter what his religion is. Anybody that falsely yells fire in a theater is responsible for punitive damages be it property or bodily.

It's against the law. Setting off false alarms and making 911 calls are both illegal and this is the biggest international false alarm hoax since Orson Welles "War of the Worlds".

What if there is really a fire in the theater?

But seriously, the argument is that he has freedom of speech, and as far as I know, he has not/did not physically grab somebody by the hand and led them to cut their throats.

If we're going to start taking away freedoms -and particulary Freedom of Speech, because of a perceived risk of what other may do based on that speech, then we're all asking for a tyranny, and trust me, we're very close to getting one as it is.

I don't believe preaching bullshit is a criminal act, do you?

It may (and usually always is) despicable, but not criminal, no.

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If you go inside of a bank and simply tell the teller that you've got a gun, yes you do have the right to say that but, it doesn't make it legal. Freedom of speech does not mean that you can say anything you want to. Next time you see a cop, tell that you just got done screwing his wife and now you want his mother. You're free to say it. See what happens.

Preachers preach bullshit every Sunday. You're certainly right about that, so a preacher can tell the entire international community that he knows the exact date and time that the world is going began ending by way of a massive catastrophic rolling earthquake, so send me all of your life savings and I can get you into heaven ? That constitutes a lot more than your business as usual Sunday morning bullshit.

Not that the people that willingly participated in this scam shouldn't be held responsible for their parts that they played in it, because they should. This still does not excuse the issue of fraud. The Department of Justice, the IRS, the FBI, and SEC have no choice but to open up an investigation on Harold Camping, his 501c-3 church and radio ministry. Christianity took a huge hit yesterday. Every preacher on the planet had to stand in for this jackass this morning. They had no choice. Even the people that didn't participate in this crock are going to question giving money to their churches from here on out.

They will make damn sure that this never happens again.

I think you tried too hard on your first paragraph and I see that we don't agree.

If you are of the idea that the Constitution needs to be violated/amended everytime a fucking idiot opens his mouth in the name of the Lord, I think we're in for another dark age x100.

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"David Koresh and Jim Jones look like cub scouts??" More like newborns! This guy at 89 is slicker than snot! Bravo to him! LOL. I know it sounds mean but I salute him for his latest stunt. And people will cry, even do the ultimate but in a few years even months another snake oil sales man will come along and will pull a bigger heist than this latest "GOD WARRIOR!"

Nope. I actually went light on you. You made a blanket statement about the First Amendment and it wasn't true. I must have made my point if it pissed you off.

Freedom of opinion,religious & non religious belief differ greatly from making threats. This man said that he was 100% sure that God was going to blow the world up by way of an earthquake yesterday from pillar to post starting at a certain time. His comments caused terror all throughout the world. He then assured these he people that he could guarantee them eternal safety if they gave him all of their savings. Telemarketers go to prison all of the time for taking advantage of the elderly.

Your arguments seem a little desperate, like when you compare telemarketers ripping off old people: These guys are engaging in COMMERCIAL/BUSINESS TRANSACTTIONS for which there are governing laws that seek to protect consumers from scams.

Religions, on the other hand, do their evil under the protection of non-profit laws, which give them license to PROMISE you immediate wealth for $300 bucks a “seed” (or $1000 if you’re more ambitious) and when they hustle their wares and/or their predictions, they ask you for a DONATION so they can send you their books, cd’s and other garbage.

As for Camping, I didn’t send him money, or believed him: He did not terrorized me, but I know that many people were fool enough to do and be so.

Did you believe him? Did his predictions terrorize you?

And then, are we now in the business of protecting idiots from their own idiocy? If so, I must warn you that there are many, and you’re going to need more than one life time to protect each and all of them.

And one more time for the last time: I am all for taking this guy to court and prison for any improprieties regarding the money he ripped off the countless imbeciles. But when it comes to defending his freedom of speech, or anybody else’s for that matter, I am one of the first ones in the frontline.

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No siree. I did not send him a penny. I don't go to church because I do not believe in paying preachers, or anyone else for matter, for doing God's work. My daughter, on the other hand, has been attending church for years with my X. I told her long ago to never give that joker in the middle no more than a buck regardless of what her spiritually delusional mother said.

Religion is the worst drug on the planet. Maybe those people can now find another high that doesn't control your mind. I'm in agreement with you 100% for taking this guy to court and prison for any improprieties regarding the money. That's the only point that I was ever trying to make. Sometimes I still like taking the long way home.

How in hell is a court of law going to determine what is and is not a legitimate warning of a supernatural cataclysmic event? Is it even possible to issue a summons for a supreme being?

What are you cursing for kid ? You obviously showed up with a mouth full of hot fueled by a mindless brain. The man had no scientific data to back his 100% to the minute assertion. Furthermore, if you had read the story headline, it said...can the IRS prosecute him and the answer to that question is that they probably can and they should..

There's not one 501c-3 in this country that is allowed to accept donations from anybody under false pretenses. I read online tonight where the FBI will probably try to have a Federal judge grant them a court order to confiscate the hard-drives from Family Radio network.

Anybody that thinks that the American government is going to just say,..."oh well, we're just happy that the rapture didn't happen" needs their head examine. Whether we want to admit it or not, the war on terror is really a war on Islam and Warren Camping just did something to the religion that Islam has not been able to do for the past 1,000 years. To some, he proved that the religion is primarily made up of predominately a bunch of weak minded gullible people worldwide that still think that they can buy their way into some place called heaven. They will not allow him to get away with this. They can't. The church's credibility is at stake.

“What are you cursing for kid ?”

Calm down Father Time it’s going to be alright. Take a deep breath and go look at a calendar. It’s 2011. Your prudish attitude toward H-E-double-hockey-stick is ridiculous.

“You obviously showed up with a mouth full of hot fueled by a mindless brain. ”

Meh. You kinda jumped the gun by going for the weak, ill conceived put down so soon. Plus mindless brain is an oxymoron.

“The man had no scientific data to back his 100% to the minute assertion.”

Yeah that was the point I was trying to make. How can you determine what is the acceptable level of understanding of the supernatural when a secular institution by virtue of what it is, actively and purposely rejects getting involved in supernatural matters?

“ Furthermore, if you had read the story headline, it said...can the IRS prosecute him and the answer to that question is that they probably can and they should..”

Oh hai straw man argument. Sweet jesus man YOU were the one to make the “yelling fire in a theater” analogy. All I did was challenge the accuracy of that analogy. If you don’t want to be placed in the awkward situation of having to defend your assertions on a social news website that promotes the discussion of the news then why the H-E-double-hockey stick are you posting on a social news website that promotes the discussion of the news?

It sounds like he may have had some tax irregularities.

Just like Pat Robertson had tax irregularities by using his Operation Blessing planes for transport in his diamond-mining business in Africa.

Yet the government does little to investigate and nail the ones who are guilty of tax fraud.

It just shows you how powerful the religious-right voting bloc is now.

The important thing to remember about the RR, however, is this: they are powerful because they do not continue to support a politician if he pulls a bait-and-switch scam on them, like Obama did on his 2008 voters. Therefore, politicians just don't pull bait-and-switch scams on the RR.

But they sure do on the Democratic Party voters, don't they.

Gosh, I wonder why that is, OH 2012-for-Obama voters?

President Obama doesn't have anything to do with Harold Camping.

Your argument just lost what little credibility it had.

Mister Wizard last night in another thread about this Camping person I made mention that somehow President Obama's name will come up with this issue and DAMN I was right. Not even 24 hours and BINGO! LOL!

LOL, Your prophet skills are strong, young Skywalker!

Ed no prophetic skills here. Just know who will come with the business as usual argument targeting President Obama!

Yeah, it's called religion.