There’s A Secret Patriot Act, Senator Says

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Congress is set to reauthorize three controversial provisions of the surveillance law as early as Thursday. But Wyden says that what Congress will renew is a mere fig leaf for a far broader legal interpretation of the Patriot Act that the government keeps to itself — entirely in secret. Worse, there are hints that the government uses this secret interpretation to gather what one Patriot-watcher calls a “dragnet” for massive amounts of information on private citizens; the government portrays its data-collection efforts much differently.
“We’re getting to a gap between what the public thinks the law says and what the American government secretly thinks the law says,” Wyden tells Danger Room in an interview in his Senate office. “When you’ve got that kind of a gap, you’re going to have a problem on your hands.”
What exactly does Wyden mean by that? As a member of the intelligence committee, he laments that he can’t precisely explain without disclosing classified information. But one component of the Patriot Act in particular gives him immense pause: the so-called “business records provision,” which empowers the FBI to get businesses, medical offices, banks and other organizations to turn over any “tangible things” it deems relevant to a security investigation.
“It is fair to say that the business records provision is a part of the Patriot Act that I am extremely interested in reforming,” Wyden says. “I know a fair amount about how it’s interpreted, and I am going to keep pushing, as I have, to get more information about how the Patriot Act is being interpreted declassified. I think the public has a right to public debate about it.”
That’s why Wyden and his colleague Sen. Mark Udall offered an amendment on Tuesday to the Patriot Act reauthorization. The amendment, first reported by Marcy Wheeler, blasts the administration for “secretly reinterpret[ing] public laws and statutes.” It would compel the Attorney General to “publicly disclose the United States Government’s official interpretation of the USA PATRIOT Act.” And, intriguingly, it refers to “intelligence collection authorities” embedded in the Patriot Act that the administration briefed the Senate about in February.
Wyden says he “can’t answer” any specific questions about how the government thinks it can use the Patriot Act. That would risk revealing classified information — something Wyden considers an abuse of government secrecy. He believes the techniques themselves should stay secret, but the rationale for using their legal use under Patriot ought to be disclosed. “I draw a sharp line between the secret interpretation of the law, which I believe is a growing problem, and protecting operations and methods in the intelligence area, which have to be protected,” he says.
Surveillance under the business records provisions has recently spiked. The Justice Department’s official disclosure on its use of the Patriot Act, delivered to Congress in April, reported that the government asked the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for approval to collect business records 96 times in 2010 — up from just 21 requests the year before. The court didn’t reject a single request. But it “modified” those requests 43 times, indicating to some Patriot-watchers that a broadening of the provision is underfoot.
“The FISA Court is a pretty permissive body, so that suggests something novel or particularly aggressive, not just in volume, but in the nature of the request,” says Michelle Richardson, the ACLU’s resident Patriot Act lobbyist. “No one has tipped their hand on this in the slightest. But we’ve come to the conclusion that this is some kind of bulk collection. It wouldn’t be surprising to me if it’s some kind of Internet or communication records dragnet.” (Full disclosure: My fiancee works for the ACLU.)
The FBI deferred comment on any secret interpretation of the Patriot Act to the Justice Department. The Justice Department said it wouldn’t have any comment beyond a bit of March congressional testimony from its top national security official, Todd Hinnen, who presented the type of material collected as far more individualized and specific: “driver’s license records, hotel records, car rental records, apartment leasing records, credit card records, and the like.”
But that’s not what Udall sees. He warned in a Tuesday statement about the government’s “unfettered” access to bulk citizen data, like “a cell phone company’s phone records.” In a Senate floor speech on Tuesday, Udall urged Congress to restrict the Patriot Act’s business records seizures to “terrorism investigations” — something the ostensible counterterrorism measure has never required in its nearly 10 year existence.
Indeed, Hinnen allowed himself an out in his March testimony, saying that the business record provision “also” enabled “important and highly sensitive intelligence collection operations” to take place. Wheeler speculates those operations include “using geolocation data from cell phones to collect information on the whereabouts of Americans” — something our sister blog Threat Level has reported on extensively. It’s worth noting that Wyden is pushing a bill providing greater privacy protections for geolocation info.
For now, Wyden’s considering his options ahead of the Patriot Act vote on Thursday. He wants to compel as much disclosure as he can on the secret interpretation, arguing that a shadow broadening of the Patriot Act sets a dangerous precedent.
“I’m talking about instances where the government is relying on secret interpretations of what the law says without telling the public what those interpretations are,” Wyden says, “and the reliance on secret interpretations of the law is growing.”
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this is soooooo like that German film, "The Lives of Others." Our government is becoming more and more toxic and senile every day.
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KB723, do you have a link to this, please? I'd like to do some research.
p.s. I went to the Oregon.gov site and promptly got lost.
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Sure ClassicalGas... Give me a minute... =)
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I was just viewing this article and found no link.... The best way to find this article is to copy the headline and google it, which will take you to wired.com... Find article it the DANGER ROOM.... Or simply go to wired.com =)
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Thanks for your trouble! I really appreciate it. :-)
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ClassicalGas:
I hope I helped... =) Let me know...
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Yep -- Osama is still winning. Good bye, Democracy.
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its just one of many things the goverment lies about.anyone with any sense can see our goverment is corrupt beyond belief
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wally60:
Yeah I sometimes would love to Gouge my eyes out...
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This "Act" was a piece of shit form the word go. It was nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11, passed to cover incompetance and inaction to a threat to the Nation, later used as a tool, by tools, to further a political agenda and continued by amateurs eho knew no better. Whole thing is a slap in the face of freedoms.
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WagonMaster:
Correct WagonMaster... =)
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Destroying democracy to save it, what a concept! What a sham. Wave some flags, play some anthems, and watch the fools march, while the puppet-masters pull the strings. Pat ourselves on the back for living in such a “free” society, while we have to fear expressing our opinions. Cut social programs while we hire some more surveillance operators to eavesdrop on our email. Why don’t they just get it over with and rename The Washington Mall the Kremlin? Is this what winning the Cold War looks like? Now that our previous “arch-enemy” has hit the mat, (the Soviet Union), we no longer even have to pretend to offer our citizens a better environment. After all, there’s nothing left to prove anymore. The competition is gone. It’s the corporate way or the highway. Only the highway leads nowhere. (There will not be a "Grapes of Wrath" migration during these hard times, the entire landscape is under corporate control. Where are we going to run?) That's okay, stand and fight.
http://sibob.org/wordpress/ - 1 year ago
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What this means is that the Patriot Act is being turned into a tool for political espionage that would make Nixon's Watergate look like eavesdropping on a conversation at the mall with your own ears.
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Senator Ron Wyden is one of my representatives and I like what he does.
But in case we think that things like the Patriot Act are something new, look up the Alien & Sedition Acts that were signed into law by Pres. John Adams in 1798.
Might look up the Federalist Party and the Democratic-Republican Party. The leaders of the Federalist Party, favored protection of the wealthy and leaders of the Democratic-Republican Party, favored protection of the common people. Sounds like we've been having this debate for years. - 1 year ago
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They can take their camera's and shove them where the sun don't shine, and do a colon exam at the same time.
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More evidence the government is spying on us....check this video. They can now scan your license plates! I don't fly, pretty soon I won't want to drive. Big Brother strikes again!
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ANYONE that voted for this is anti-AMERICAN and should be thrown out of office.
ANYONE who thinks these laws help AMERICA is delusional. I will bet the same assholes that refuse to tell us what is in this act are the same assholes that killed :
JFK
RFK
MLK
MX
JJ
JM
JHand ALL of the FREEDOM RIDERS.
These assholes need to burn in hell and the bush crime family should be the first to go followed by ANYONE that voted for this Patriot FARCE.
TERMINATED WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.
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have I said how much I love the ACLU today No? ... well I do ... so should all American freedom lovers
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figgdimension:
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Great man...Senator Wyden. Proud that he's from Oregon.
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Emucratic:
That's pretty creepy.....enduring constitutional government.....sounds like Bush and his war mongers couldn't call it a "Police State" so they gave it an innocent sounding name.
It's reminiscent of the Edgar J Hoover days when they spied on everyone...but this is far worse.
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August_K:
What do Obama and his war mongers call it?
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Emucratic:
Pretty twisted. If, in a catastrophe, our government has no faith in the ability of our democracy to manage the crisis without sacrificing the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, why bother to claim to support it at all?? The United States Constitution is not a document of convenience IT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND. I hold the Bushies responsible for developing this heinous law and the Obama Administration for failing to do away with it.
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Just about every bull crap thing he had a hand in was labeled with a name that meant the oppposite of what it did. The bigger the turd, the more likely it being passed on a holiday weekend when most people were focusing on other things. The only patriotic thing about the Patriot Act is it's ultimate destruction.
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It had too much of an Orwellian onertone when it was first implimented. That's why we all should support groups like Wikileaks and Anonymous. Someone has to police the police.
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Hey thats my Senator and he is one of the ones who is doing the job he was sent to Washington to do. He has been trying to get bullshit out of the patriot act which is Unfortunately popular among congress people who don't read what they vote for. Fair government is transparent government!
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I for one am glad BIG Brother is aware of everything we do. Finally SOMEONE is aware of who the Real American Idol Winner is!!!!!
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TasteHi:
Hoooray Big Brother... =)
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This is frightening. And a perfect example of how our presidents are mere tools of the system. I can't believe State Senator Barack Obama would agree to this. He actually gave my baby boy a rub on the head at a 4th of July parade back in 2000. That guy would not stand for this.
It's not that he's found a way to agree with this stuff, its that he's found that he can't disagree with it...things are beyond his control...he's been corrupted by the system.
I take some solace in thinking that his heart is in the right place, but his decisions are unduly influenced by others.
A sad state in which we find ourselves.
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lazloman:
WooHooo Mark Udall is from my hometown...
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lazloman:
In other words he is Unfit to be this Nations leader.
We needed someone with a back bone, someone with integrity. Instead we got another tool who lets the corrupt decide the fate of our country.
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blaino:
No we got a guy who recalls what happened to Kennedy.
You can't really be so naive as to think he'd start threatening the MIC?
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lazloman:
You write "he's been corrupted by the system." Then we should not vote for him again.
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blaino:
If it were only that easy. The president of the United States is not a dictator. He can't simply order that a law be changed. He needs agreement from both houses of Congress, something he is unlikely to get with the current crop of GOP reptiles nesting there. That said however, he could at least give some lip service to the fact that the law is unconstitutional and should be struck down.
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If that was the criteria by which we reelect our presidents, there would be no such thing as a second term.
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Mark701:
Good. Then we wouldn't have Presidents campaigning instead of governing. I think we should have one six year term.
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It's nothing new that especially in post 9/11 America that surveillance has spiked and our privacy has been diminished. The government knows everything we do.
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Leen61:
I wish we who Elected them had a better understanding of just what They are Doing Leen...
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KB723:
You are right, KB.
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Leen61:
I don't buy in to the idea that the government knows everything we do. I don't like the Patriot Act, nor indiscriminate surveillance by anyone, least of all the government. But I don't think they are that good at surveillance.
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Wicks934:
They don't have to be. The trick is to make everyone think they are watching by taking away privacy rights.
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Wicks934:
The government knows plenty of what we do. We have had many of our civil liberties taken away post 9/11.
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I posted this article earlier!!!!
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letsliveinpeace:
Good Job...
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We have had a "shadow government" in place for several years. Ever since the rise of the CIA at the start of the Korean War combining with the already far-reaching authority of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, the intelligence agencies have become lone wolves while creating a parallel foreign and domestic security apparatus operating without governmental oversight. And it's only gotten more prevalent and sinsiter over time. Wyden shows a lot of courage simply bringing his beliefs to light.
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scooter3282:
Has this "Shadow Government" been elected scooter???
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scooter3282:
Agreed! excellent comment.
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scooter3282:
bush crime family.
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KB723:
The authority that is given it is not through any elected means, that's for sure. But Darth Vader is still in command today, that much I can tell you. That's why he wants to take full credit for the killing of Bin Laden. He's still the coach of the team.
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letsliveinpeace:
Thanks, letsliveinpeace.
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nobsartist:
Exactly. Poppy has such deep ties to the CIA and he handed off control to Cheney when he went into retirement. His dipshit son couldn't handle the reins.
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There’s A Secret Patriot Act, Senator Says
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KB723:
Its called "over throw the government".
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"WhodaThunk???" "Thank goodness for Senator Ron Wyden!!!"
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