Does this set back abortion rights 30 years?

also, if you think he actually gives two shits about the abortion issue... check out the second page of the link above, where he tweets:

"it takes two to make a child it should make two to kill one
#fathersrights"

So lets be clear here, it's not about abortion. It's that his (much) younger girlfriend (possibly) went behind his back. But he didn't (doesn't?) know if she actually aborted. He just knows that the kid doesn't exist anymore.

Stay classy Fultz!

Go to google or whatever search engine you use and type in this assholes' name.

Because men would use that as a means to control women.

A lot of guys would pretend they wanted the child just to see the mother endure the pregnancy.

Of course after the child is born, the male will just move on with his life.

That's a dangerous precedence, men could use pregnancy to control and manipulate women.

more like she killed his kid, lied about it to her family, and he set the record straight

By posting it on a billboard instead of talking to the family to set the record straight? By the way, he didn't know if she lost the child by abortion or miscarriage when he started his crap. A real shining star, that one is.

and if he does can he sign off on it and pay nothing? or dos the woman get a free ride off of her vag?

Excellent comment. You've summed up the anti-abortion argument perfectly.

He has no say. He ain't the one who has to bring it to term and then birth it. Not to mention morning sickness, huge (therefor expensive) appetite, and all the other fun stuff. And since it seems like he had intent to keep it, that's a whole nother burden that she very well may be unable to bear. Don't judge when you don't know their situation. It's a -woman's- body and a -woman's- right to choose.

This comment is directed both at you and darthmims.

You do get that this guy really wasn't interested in parenthood, right?

Even if the child had survived...(and this abortion is an alleged abortion)...even if the child survived, and let's just say for arguments sake was put up for adoption....this nut job boyfriend's ultimate goal was to maintain a relationship with the girlfriend.

I was not attempting to judge his motives, I was merely basing my comment on the content of the story. Whether he was interested in parenthood or not, there was obviously a breakdown in communication that led to him having no say in the birth (or not) of his child.

Oh shit! That's a guy?? Didn't even tell....

I wonder if he was willing to change diapers and clean up puke and miss poker night with his buddies.

Control freaks make terrible parents .

I think he's (this boyfriend) is just a bastard...this guy isn't doing this because his parental rights were violated.

He has written some of the most misogynistic posts and Tweets that were disclosed during the preliminary hearing for the removal of the billboard.He has a unnatural fixation on this woman...(and the abortion' alleged and was maybe a miscarriage)....and he posted to billboard because the word "abortion" has so much stigma attached to it, and provokes visceral reactions. He posted that particular medical procedure to harass this Ex-girlfriend of his because he was pissed off that she ended the relationship.

It could very well be that this particular individual is a loser who was lucky to even have a girlfriend in the first place, i wouldn't want that specimen in the billboard picture to have his genetic material anywhere near a womb in my family, he looks like the next weeks episode of extreme makeover.

The whole billboard thing smacks of attention seeking revenge, i don't doubt a thing you're saying about him.

In reality a lot of abortions have to do with someone looking at their partner and determining under no circumstances would they have to deal with *points at billboard* "that" the rest of their lives, obviously she made the right decision.

I think this is a fair and balanced viewpoint.

Most often there is no clear right/wrong on issues.

No, it's illogical to say only sluts and the lazy get themselves pregnant.
You do realise women who practice safe sex can get pregnant anyways? Does this make all women who are sexually active sluts by your standards?
Also, it's illogical to call a fetus a "helpless baby" and a "child." A fetus is..well, a fetus. If it cannot survive outside of the womb can it truly qualify for personhood? If it has no cognitive function or awareness yet does the fetus have the right to life at the expense of the mother? I think that was the point mitekillem was trying to make.

Does she have to be a slut onemale.

It is possible she was seduced, men do say anything for sex and women are vulnerable due to emotions.

These are the same emotions that men either prey upon or cherish.

I just want to reiterate....the lawsuit is about PRIVACY and HARASSMENT.
She ( the Ex-Girlfriend) may not have even been pregnant. She may have had a miscarriage.

The point isn't about "right-to-life" or "pro-choice". The point isn't whether the woman is...or isn't a slut.The whole point is that this guy is a creep. A creep who won't go away.
It is sad that he (the boyfriend) could us a medical procedure as a tool of extortion. If she had an appendectomy would the billboard have any impact?

This guy hates women. He probably hates this woman, too. What is pissing him off is that she wants out of the relationship and that's why he choose this manner of action.

The adoption argument doesn't make any sense to me considering there are millions of orphaned children around the world living in poverty. There's no lack of children in the world begging to be adopted.

"And a fetus will become a living breathing human so i am not getting your point there. "
The fetus is not yet a living breathing human, that is why it is not considered murder.

It's gonna be a baby eventually.

The bottom line is the law says that abortion is a legal medical procedure, and what I want to know is why chose this procedure to put up on a billboard? What if she had a tonsillectomy? What if she had a mastectomy, or lumpectomy? What if she amputated a foot? It should bother people that choosing this "legal", medical procedure can be used as extortion to remain in a relationship that is unhealthy! This guy sought to humiliate this woman by making this one part of her medical history public.

Why should saying someone had a legal medical procedure have the impact of humiliation?

I'm not denying there are a lot of irresponsible people out there. Men and women both. It's just condescending to say every woman that gets herself knocked up is a slut.

Yeah, yeah,...I know....it's the whole....pro-choice...right-to-life argument

Doesn't it bother anyone that this particular medical procedure can be used as a matter for extortion to remain in a relationship, though? He didn't post on a billboard that she had a colostomy...and if he did...nobody would have looked at the sigh. And if they did look at the billboard sign...people would have shrugged and loved on with their day.

I don't get why this particular legal medical procedure could be fodder for extortion.
Why would he assume that it would be so successful?

did you really have to throw in the slut? I think you made your point fairly well without denigrating women even more. Men are equally at fault when it comes to taking precautions against unwanted pregnancy, and they don't get called lazy sluts for it. What about the dick-head who chose not to use a condom? Got a name for him?

no, voted down for calling women you know nothing about lazy sluts.

clearly, you have never carried a child for 9 months and then gone through labor and delivery...and I am not an atheist and am pro-choice.

no comparison, and you didn't have to live with her, you chose to live with her, and I daresay you would do it all over again if given the choice. I know there is a good guy lurking beneath that behemoth exterior.

smartass

@Mitekillem made a funny post. Actually is was kinda spot on. I have been in the woods. At night. And quite frankly I have found that the bears and other animals in the woods don't give a crap about my Constitutional rights. As far as the bear is concerned....I didn't cover my camp food properly...I didn't bring enough for his ravenous appetite...and unless I came armed...I am now the 3rd course on his dinner menu.

@mitekillen was doing well until he unloaded his: "Keep your God out of my Government and I'll keep my guns out of your life."

I think abortion should be available. I also think abortion shouldn't be the birth control to be used ad-infinitum. It should be a choice between a Doctor and his patient. And that medical choice should be decided by the Doctor's determination of medical necessity for the well-being of his patient. A medical Doctor should have every medical technique, tool, and procedure available to assist in the treatment of his patients.

So no one has an inherent right to life. I

That said....children shouldn't have to pay for their parent's mistakes by their death. Abortion kills unborn fetuses, which if allowed to live would be live births. There's no pretty way to say it. I support it, in both theory and practice...I support a woman's right to have an abortion. That means I thoroughly get that abortion kills babies. It's an uncomfortable stance, knowing that you can't sterilize away the truth of the matter.

But @mitekillen is right...in the dark...in the woods....the bear really doesn't give a shit about my position, or whatever foolishness I think I'm entitled to.

But back to this guy.....he is a creep. He is a stalker. And clearly by his Tweeted-Tweets, he is a misogynist.

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"you might want to change the headline"

I thought a lot about that when I was making the headline. Here's my conundrum....it is the medical procedure the boyfriend chose. It is the stigma attached to the procedure that has made the whole story a news story, per se.

Like I said...it still would be creepy as hell no matter what medical procedure the boyfriend had chosen to put in the billboard...because this guy clearly has a screw loose and is a stalker....but why should this one medical procedure have such an effect that it could have the potential to be used in a manner of relationship extortion?

Well...the co-relation is being prepared.

You go in to the vagina...you should go prepared. You can't assume that the mutant HIV loaded cell hanging out on the corner of Uterus Way is gonna attack the other guy.

On the flip side...if you bring a loaded penis into the vagina...and it discharges...you have to know that somebody could get hurt.

Now how is that related to bears in the woods...you gotta go into the woods as prepared as you would be when you venture into the vagina. The HIV infected cell doesn't give a crap about your assumed rights of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

You don't put a safety on that loaded penis when you go into the vagina and it goes off....you find out what millions of American men have already found out: "But we only did it one time! How can she be pregnant if we only did it one time????!!!!!"

So my advice is that in the woods, you hang your food high, in sealed containers. Don't leave political literature around for bears to read. (We don't want some mutant raccoon starting a rally for the right to arm bears) Extinguish all camp fires; because only you can prevent forest fires.

And when in doubt in the vagina...put on a condom because you never know what's lurking in a vagina...could be a thug HIV cell, or BeBe's Kids...and you already know...BeBe's Kids don't die...they multiply!

...you can deny it 'til the cows come home, but I see thru that rough exterior, and I'd say, you're one hell of a dad and grandad...so there...yep, it's Eden...

...virtual hug accepted...back atya...

It's not always just inconvenient to give birth to a child. There are so many other reasons why someone will choose to abort.

But let's be honest about the bottom line. Not everyone has the ability to be selfless. And children shouldn't be forced to exist in a world where they will be hated and despised, even killed after birth. I trust women to know what will work best for themselves. I'd rather hear about an abortion than hear about a mother who drowned her newborn child or toddler out of desperation.

luv ya more you misogynist

l love you madly....

he tries so hard to be the big bad wolf, but you nailed it, he is an awesome dad and grandad.

Absolutely. It's a ridiculous analogy. There's no "survival of the fittest" here. The baby has no way of defending himself, let alone saying he has a right to life. Most women go to extreme lengths to protect even their unborn child, but there are those who find it more convenient to just let the bear have it, rather than "man up" and deal with it.

So you believe it's better to kill a child than have them exist in an unkind world? Well, do you think the child would feel that way? There are millions of children born into harsh circumstances every day, yet very few of them choose to kill themselves rather than live in an unkind world. Is it possible that even the "fetus" would choose his own life if he only had a voice?

FAIL - out of touch, ignorant, sexist, backward, misogynistic, dumb and dumber.

This isn't a pretty world. This is a world where female babies are killed upon birth. Yes, I'd rather that a woman got an abortion than have that female child killed at birth. So in some cases, I'd say yes, I "believe it's better to kill a child than have them exist in an unkind world."

The fact of the matter is that a zygote is not conscious. A fetus, for some time of it's growth is not conscious. It MIGHT become conscious enough to ponder its own existence and the meaning of that existence, but the state that it is in when it might be aborted... it's not conscious. A child would always choose to be alive. But a fetus isn't a child.

I think you're being a little too black and white about the whole situation. Like I said, this isn't a pretty world. Sometimes you just have to be realistic about things.

[I had more stuff after this, but I deleted it because it was getting a little TOO preachy. PM me if you feel like listening to a dull lecture :) ]

And I ask you: what on earth is the difference between a child who is aborted or killed at birth? It's all the same. The little girl is dead either way. It's just a matter of a few weeks. She's the same little girl.

Wow. It much suck to live in a black and white world.

No, there is a HUGE difference between abortion and infanticide. It actually makes me sad for you that you cannot see the difference in an actual child who feels pain being killed and a clump of cells with no pain receptors being removed from a uterus.

"The little girl is dead either way." Seriously? No, she's not the same little girl. Holy shmokes, you cannot see the actual difference between a clump of cells that may spontaneously abort ANYWAY and the actual, physical existence of a tangible baby? You honestly equate the murder of a sentient being that feels pain with the loss of cells with potential? I do not comprehend this position.

No wonder people talk shit about pro-lifers.

I posted a link with a video attached...no worries....when I posted this originally...more information had evolved. Thanks for the assist!

Down a few posts is another link as well.

http://www.fox26medford.com/entertainment/kiah-online-dish-dumped-boyfriend-abor

Here is another link

Nah....leave it...as long as it (the URL link) doesn't lead to a vitamin commercial and the link is to relevant information ...leave it.

My thread isn't discussing this guys obsession with this woman. That's what the issue really is. It's not about abortion or right-to-life....it's about a crazy stalking boyfriend who won't let go.

Of course it would be nice if abortion didn't have such a stigma that it could be used as a negative character flaw and in an attempt to extort the continuing of a relationship, though.

The lawyer (of the girlfriend in question) released the medical information during a hearing. There are some additional posts below that cover that question.

To be honest...I think it was the break up that tipped him (the boy friend) over the edge. I think he is just using this "alleged" abortion to get back at the Ex-girlfriend.

The Lawyer released her medical information in the preliminary hearings. HIPPAA prevents the Doctor from releasing the medical information without consent from the Girlfriend.

The issue is really whether this whole billboard thing constitutes harassment. The guy seems like a stalker...and he appears to have a screw loose. His elevator definitely doesn't go all the way up to the top. He is an angry, misogynistic suitor, who has detachment issues and just can't seem to let go. If you read what he posted on Twitter, you get the gist of why his girlfriend decided to move on, and away from him.

My thread got hijacked into an abortion...not abortion issue...when this is really a Privacy and Harassment case.I sort of expected it...but people on both sides get pretty rabid when discussing the matter of abortion and child welfare.

That is what the court case will decide. Did he violate her right to privacy by putting up the billboard?

And is she being harassed by the subject matter of the billboard?

I'm sure this has caused her some kind of discomfort in her community. The question then becomes what price is the discomfort worth?

Or you could go to the hospital and give birth to a child and then no one dies.

And keep the connection to the very person she was trying to get away from, giving him a way to exert more control? What if the ex was really her cousin as well. Would your view still be the same?

Wow, yeah, because no woman has ever died from childbirth! How did the pro-choice movement miss that one?