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Most Americans Blame Wars For Federal Debt !

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By a wide margin, more Americans think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have inflated the national debt than the percentage who blame domestic spending or the tax cuts enacted in the past decade for doing the same, according to a Pew poll released Tuesday.


Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates addressed troops on Monday at Forward Operating Base Sharana in Paktika Province, Afghanistan. By a wide margin, more Americans think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have inflated the national debt than the percentage who blame domestic spending or the tax cuts enacted in the past decade for doing the same, according to a Pew poll released Tuesday. (Jason Reed/Getty Images)
Those beliefs actually run counter to data recently released by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which showed that the Bush-era tax cuts have been the single biggest factor in ballooning the federal deficit. While the wars have also contributed greatly to the deficit, Pew's findings illuminate how Americans more readily perceive the visceral aspects of federal budgetary policy.

And with both parties drawing a line in the sand over whether tax increases should factor into future deficit reduction talks, the Pew report offers some insight as to what proposals will hit home hardest with voters when the messaging war heats up.

In the survey, fully six in ten Americans said the wars had contributed "a great deal" to the federal deficit, while an additional 26% said they had contributed a "fair amount." Meanwhile, 42% said the sour economy had a great deal to do with the debt, and 24% said the same about increased spending on domestic programs. Only 19% said tax cuts had greatly impacted the deficit, while an additional 35% said they had contributed a fair amount.

According to the CBPP, the Bush-era tax cuts by far account for the largest share of the federal deficit. Combined with the Iraq and Afghan wars, those policies will make up around 50% of the overall deficit by 2019, according to CBPP's figures.

In a reflection of Americans' perception of how military spending has impacted the debt, the survey also found that 65% of Americans support reducing the nation's overseas military commitments as a way to reduce the deficit, while 30% oppose such a move. Following the death of Osama bin Laden, a bipartisan group of legislators began pushing for a more rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan, though the Obama administration has rebuffed those calls.

Further, the poll also found broad bipartisan support for raising taxes on income earned above $250,000 per year. Two-thirds of Americans (66%) support doing that to reduce the deficit, versus 31% who oppose that idea. Democrats were most favorable toward that plan, with 78% voicing support and just 21% saying the opposite. Independents also strongly backed that proposal, doing so by a 67% to 28% margin. And even Republicans are relatively warm to the idea, with an equal 49% both supporting and opposing a tax increase for high-income earners.


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158 comments // Most Americans Blame Wars For Federal Debt !

  • kitteneater
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      kitteneater  
    • I agree the defense budget should be reduced, but wars only add to the debt. Repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, allowing depository and investment banks to merge, is what jump-started the recession.

    • 12 months ago
  • montesooma
  • hombre76
  • timing8
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      timing8  
    • Great, most Americans feel this way but these Americans aren't making their voices actually heard. I'm sick of hearing about these polls because politicians don't seem to hear about.

    • 12 months ago
  • PigFarmington
  • samthesixth
  • DEM46
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      DEM46  
    • I just heard Romney the other day trash the president about how he's actually ruined our economy. Really Mitt? if the goddamned populace wasn't so stupid they'd know you're full of shit. Bush and his tax cuts, Iraq foray, and encouraging ridiculous spending by citizens after 9/11 lest those terrorists win are the biggest reason we are in mess.

      Never have we been encouraged to spend and not contribute (sacrifice at some level) while wars are going on. Then, tax cuts? Gees, how can anybody justify tax cuts while pushing troops into two wars?

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
    • +2
      kennymotown  
    • DEM46:

      Out of touch typical Elitist, Nit-Wit Romney is a farce. The guy made his millions by buying company's stripping employees outsourcing jobs and assets and then selling off the company's! He's good for America? Don't think so.

    • 12 months ago
  • DEM46
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      DEM46  
    • kennymotown:

      oh the thing I like the most about him is how he created an identical healthcare system to the president's but claims it's different. Really? and how does one square that while governor of a fairly liberal state you were also pro-choice, but now pro-life?

      GD hypocrite of the highest order.

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • nobsartist
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      nobsartist  
    • DEM46:

      Just to let you know, mitt is from michigan and he has NEVER held a job. In fact, he is the perfect example of a spoiled little rich kid that gets whatever he wants, all the time.

      What about the bailout that his old man got when they formed "American Motors"?

      mitt is a hypocrite.

    • 12 months ago
  • montesooma
    • 0
      montesooma  
    • DEM46:

      Nope ur in denial, tax cuts don't hurt the economy - they help the economy.
      No logical person disputes that Obama policies are keeping us in the hole.

      You just can't make war with those that produce the jobs, revenue, and energy and expect them to conduct business as usual.
      If anyone but a progressive were president, this recession would be a memory already.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
  • alexandrek
  • congoboy
  • Fishinflick
    • +2
      Fishinflick  
    • It is impossible to find the exact percentage of your tax dollar spent on defense, at least on the internet. I'm looking at sources claiming a low of 20¢ and a high of 51¢ per dollar. The so-called all-time high for defense spending - the Vietnam War - is sourced as anywhere from 9.4% of the Federal Budget to 46% at the height of the war.

      As taxpayers we should know how every penny we pay is spent including the huge area (bigger than SS or Medicare) called Discretionary Spending at the end of every fiscal year. I am also perplexed as to why SS - a program separate from Federal Income Tax revenues, is included in charts of tax dollar expenditures.

      Tax reform as an issue has been relegated to a who pays what percentage battle - which is important, but how our tax dollars are spent never comes up enough. Paying for endless wars is not what we should be doing.

      I suspect that it is entirely possible to pay lower taxes if the taxes were actually spent prudently and the gray area of Discretionary Spending and Defense Spending was scrutinized and brought in line with need instead of greed.

      I also agree with the thread below that Americans concerned about the national debt should also look at the arguments for breaking up the Federal Banking System. Money has been privatized. All of our money is now created as loans advanced by private banking institutions — banks create the principal but not the interest to service their loans. To find the interest, new loans must continually be taken out creating inflation and a never-ending web of debt. There isn't enough money in the entire global economy to bail out the banks from a massive derivatives default today.

      Most Americans have it about 1/3 right being against defense spending for endless war, but if our Ponzi-scheme based economic system is not addressed it'll all be a moot point at the next crash.

    • 12 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • Fishinflick:

      Tax dollars spent on the MIC? When did the government start paying the bill for the wars? I thought they were still swiping that credit card and will keep spending until it's maxed out. China, Japan and the Arab countries haven't sent us the itemized bill yet. They're calculating the amount we'll have to fork over for the interest payment alone. And as we speak, the public union pension funds are being robbed of their money to keep the lights on which will leave them just as empty as that SS Fund they kept putting those worthless I.O.U.s in as they raped that account.

      The financial balancing act of the century is about to be brought out to the middle ring of the three ring circus we call The Deficit as the Treasury begins to rob Peter to pay Paul so the Federal government can limp along for the next couple of years. Until after the presidential election of 2012. Then all Hell is going to break loose and there isn't a thing you or I can do about it.

      Well. There are a few things we can do. Buy Spam. Lots and lots of Spam. And canned fruit. I love fruit. Powdered milk. Add water, stir and voila! Nasty tasting wet, powdered milk!

      Good luck.

    • 12 months ago
  • Fishinflick
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • Fishinflick:

      That "War On Terrorism" they speak of includes what we've done here at home with the TSA, Homeland Security, Border Patrol, the alphabet soup agencies i.e., CIA, NIC, etc., etc., and the money it costs to maintain a military even before September 11th. There are two things going on simultaneously. The "War On Terrorism" and the "Two Wars" we fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. But the ACTUAL paying for the efforts of invading first Afghanistan and then Iraq? No, mon ami. We haven't begun to repay that bill. Remember, that's the one we are deferring until a future time to settle because that's what is going on that Big Credit Card that's financed by China, Japan, and Arab countries. What else does our government mean when they tell us that the cost of these two wars are being "borrowed", eh? Why are we borrowing money from foreign countries if we are using tax dollars to pay for the war efforts? And how are we paying for the bombs to drop on Libya and Yemen? The government is robbing pension funds to keep the lights on in the Capitol now. There is no place else to get money to pay the monthly bills for war.

      Think about it.

    • 12 months ago
  • Fishinflick
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      Fishinflick  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      I am all too aware of all of the points you are bringing up but you're in denial that our taxes pay anything toward the endless war scenario - that's simply not true. I said in my last response that it is a valid question how much of the war effort is paid for on credit, especially since there has always been a percentage of Federal Tax Revenue claimed for paying off past military misadventures.

    • 12 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • Fishinflick:

      I think we've beaten that horse enough. Besides, you or I will never be allowed to see the REAL books on the War on Terror! It's been classified as a National Security/Need To Know issue. Top, top secret. I doubt the President knows or has access to all of it.

      Let's agree that this fiasco has cost us too much in money let alone in lives lost or ruined through injuries.

      I say on dollar spent was one dollar too much.

    • 12 months ago
  • Ragan
    • +3
      Ragan  
    • Has anyone ever thought that the Federal Reserve Bank is nothing more than a privately owned interest bearing finance company. Figure out how many Billions of dollars the US Government pays the Federal Reserve every year and you will have a gross debt that is in every way usury on the American tax payer. If the politicians had an ounce of guts to tell the Federal Bank people to get lost, we would immediately get rid of the IRS and return the US Treasury back to the US. The USA would mint and print its own money's and return the profits back to the real US Treasury Department. The US has the power to disband the Rothschild and Israeli dynasties and use its own sources to carry the US economic condition back to a nation of profit and employment. However there must be an efort to disband the European bankers from exerting any more iinflluence in the USA. The Warburgs, The Kuhn and Loebs, Goldman and Sachs, The Schiffs and finally the Rothschilds. All of these and a few more has America by the Balls and the USA will never break free until the American people Show the US Government, Congress, The Senate, The Executive Branch and the Justice Dept and the Supreme court, that to do business with these international crooks is punishable with indictments resulting in death by hanging and life without parole. America and the world must be returned to its original sovereignty. Then there will be jobs and free competition and free trade and finally world peace. http://www.iamthewitness.com

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
    • +2
      kennymotown  
    • Ragan:

      Very, very well said! There was a big move on early in the 20th century that had this mantra that almost seceded! Seems as if, when we get close to eliminating the FED leaders get killed!

    • 12 months ago
  • shroomfairy
  • congoboy
  • alexandrek
  • congoboy
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
  • Ragan
    • +1
      Ragan  
    • Johnny_Los_Angeles:

      You are right and that is what the education system is since the US department of Education took over the national education. The goal is to keep the American stupid so that the Goverment and their wealthy bosses can continue to lie and cheat and murder as well as to control the world through continous war and bloodshed and profits for these wars. If the USA were tro tell France, England to get lost the world would find itself returning to its own. At this very moment there are plans in Switzerland to capture Henry Kissinger the father of Viet Nam War and any of the Bush parties arriving for the Bilderburger meeting this month and to indict and try these people for the war crimes the USA should have done in the past. Recently George Bush canceled a trip to Switzerland because he was informed that he would be captured and indicted for war crimes if he should ever show up in Switzerland and I am pretty sure they would face the same in Spain.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
  • DEM46
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • diabolical44
    • +8
      diabolical44  
    • ever wonder why other countries are able to afford giving their people fully funded single payer health care and retirement and tons of vacation time and all kinds of other gov't provided services that supposedly we "can't afford" here in the states? its because those countries aren't blowing trillions of dollars on imperial conquests all over the globe. that's the simplest answer you can give.

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • congoboy
    • +1
      congoboy  
    • diabolical44:

      http://lying.ht

      actually they cant afford it, some are considering dropping it...The European Experience
      Recently, The Heritage Foundation, in conjunction with the Centre for the New Europe (CNE), a prominent European public policy institution based in Brussels, Belgium, 2 held an international conference in Washington on precisely what Americans can learn from the European experience in health care and pension policy. With the kind assistance of Hardy Bouillon, President of the Centre, the presentations at the Heritage-CNE forum offer American policy experts a keen idea of:

      What works and doesn't work in practice,
      What steps are being taken to improve European health care systems, and
      What key lessons the European experience holds for Congress, state legislators, and the American people with respect to the reform of public health care programs.

      The advice comes from an impressive array of European health care policy experts: Philippe Manière of France, David Green of Great Britain, Paul Belien of Belgium, Johan Hjertqvist of Sweden, and Friedrich Breyer of Germany.

      Some Surprises
      Americans will probably be surprised to learn from the remarks that follow that Switzerland's health care system relies almost entirely on a system of private insurance. They might be surprised to learn that there is a growing reliance on the private sector in the financing and delivery of health care in Europe, particularly in the Netherlands, Germany, and Sweden. Even the labor government in Britain has entered into an agreement with representatives of the private health care industry to improve health care delivery in certain vital areas.

      Reforms in Europe, where they are diligently pursued, have taken on a certain urgency. A major factor affecting recent health care policy making in Europe, including Privatization efforts, is the rapid aging of the European population. Continental Europe is comprised largely of countries that have rapidly aging populations. Although life expectancy has increased, fertility rates have decreased, and much of Europe faces demographic stagnation. This unfavorable ratio of old to young persons is far worse in major European nations than in either Canada or the United States.

      The unfavorable shift in the demographic balance is particularly rapid in France and Germany, and will impose tremendous financial pressures on their existing health care-social security arrangements. America's Medicare and Social Security reformers should take note.

      Some Lessons
      For Members of Congress and state legislators, there are some valuable lessons from the European experience that should be less surprising.

      If you insist on government management of the health care system, do not expect freedom from waste, inefficiency, or inequity in the delivery of care (look at France).
      If you want to promise citizens a national or state program of universal insurance coverage, don't expect that you will be able to deliver universal access to high-quality health care. You won't and you can't (look at Britain).
      If you want to fix prices for medical services, prescription drugs, or other medical devices, don't expect demand for these goods and services to be met or investment in research and development to continue apace. It won't (look anywhere).
      If you insist, with a straight face, that in a government-run health care system, all of your fellow citizens will be treated equally -- regardless of their class, station in life, or disease condition -- you are not merely enthusiastic or well intentioned. You are lying. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Lecture/Perspectives-on-the-European-Health-Car...

    • 12 months ago
  • samthesixth
  • nobsartist
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      nobsartist  
    • congoboy:

      Interesting, BUT our culture is a lot diffrent than that of europe. For instance, it is rare that executives of most corporations to recieve the type of compensation that they do here. I cannot imagine that the privately run health insurance company in switzerland allows its CEO to make 1.5 BILLION per year like the head of the United Health Grioup does. In fact< Switzerland has a population that is entirely armed. Anyone in the military has thier weaponry right in thier house. Here in 'Amerika" we allow these assholes to take as much as they want from our monthly payments, which for me, would allow me to lease a
      Porsche for the same amount (for CRAP insurance). AND "they" still want want to take our guns.

      Once again, had that asshole raygun not had the destruction of America in his sights,
      our health care system would not be so fucked up. Prior to that idiot and his enablers,
      most all hospitals were COUNTY OWNED. And I only paid a A SMALL percentage of my pay for insurance.

      But forget all of these liberal attacks by me. If the health community is so fucking smart, why havent they cured cancer yet and why do they insist on torturing people that refuse to be experimented on with their so-called cures for cancer?

      The problem here is the lack of morals by our "leaders".

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
    • +1
      congoboy  
    • nobsartist:

      you make some good and valid points. the destruction of america has really been a bi-partisan effort though. some leaders better at it than others. there is no money to be made in curing disease and more to be made in research. almost every deed led by politician or private corporation comes down to show me the money.

    • 12 months ago
  • mybologna
    • +5
      mybologna  
    • To this day I still find incomprehensible why people would rather have their taxes used to kill people and destroy homes in far away lands than to heal their own families through universal healthcare and build affordable housing and infrastructure here at home. Are we monsters? I don't think we are even civilized.

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • congoboy
  • Alanb4130
    • +2
      Alanb4130  
    • None of the important facts matter because too many people in this country vote with their Bibles in their hands. Republicans know this. Republicans exploit this.

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • diabolical44
  • Fishinflick
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • Alanb4130
  • Alanb4130
  • congoboy
  • Alanb4130
    • 0
      Alanb4130  
    • congoboy:

      This point can never be made enough times. Republicans since 2006 have used the filibuster more times than ever before in the history of America. 2 tax cuts, medicare part D, 2 wars with no way of getting out of and not paid for. The first time ever tax cuts were enacted during a time of war. Using the right wing radio network and Fox News to scare people and lie.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
  • Alanb4130
    • 0
      Alanb4130  
    • congoboy:

      Lets compare Obama lies to Bush and McConnel and Cheney and Karl Rove and Eric Cantor lies. Lets look at what the Republicans have managed to do to America. Look at how effectively they are playing politics to keep Obama from improving things. I believe he is trying to improve things. I dont agree with everything he does but he is better than any Republican. IMO.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
    • 0
      congoboy  
    • Alanb4130:

      lies, corruption, misdirection, lack of transparancy, hypocrisy, greed, self service. not limited to one party. obama is no different then the rest, although possibly worse in some ways since he's a better bamboozler than most. a lot of folks voted for him for the wrong reasons. i'm not so sure his popularity would have been quite as strong had he been just your average everyday cracker democrat. although clinton had people pretty well hoodwinked as well

    • 12 months ago
  • Alanb4130
  • congoboy
    • 0
      congoboy  
    • Alanb4130:

      well thats also kinda subjective as you have a lot of repubs sayin the same things about demo's. having been raised a liberal but finally getting a brain and moving to the right myself, i have lived in both worlds. i find more honesty in conservatives than liberals. libs are good at lip service but few are truly sincere and suffer from more misplaced guilt than any person should be allowed

    • 12 months ago
  • Alanb4130
    • 0
      Alanb4130  
    • congoboy:

      This is a pretty sad comment. No one with any common sense moves to the right anymore. You so have your ideology backwards. Republicans are all lip service and there are no individuals in the Republican party . Those that publicly represent the Republican party are borderline anti American. They do not care about the middle class. They do not care about jobs. They do not care about the poor except that it is a tax deduction. Just take a step back and look at the major issues and where the 2 parties stand. It is clearly obvious. Republicans support the rich, multi national corporations, big banks. They do what they are told. Just follow voting patterns. Every so often a few Republicans switch their votes but not very often.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
  • Alanb4130
    • 0
      Alanb4130  
    • congoboy:

      What you need to do is read a little bit and do some research and find out for yourself how wrong you are. This is a typical response from someone that is information deficient. The facts are out there, the rhetoric by the right happens every day. I just heard one of the sunday shows that the period from 2000 to 2007 was the worst jobs numbers since the great depression. Look this kind of stuff up and learn a little. I do not defend the Dems on everything they do but I an critical of everything the Republicans are trying to do to this country . So is Glen Beck your inspiration or Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or John Boehner. These people are just a few of the professional jack asses that represent the Republicans. Come back with anything . What are the Republicans good for. Anything.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
    • 0
      congoboy  
    • Alanb4130:

      you know whats really funny. the shit you watch on the left wing liberal main stream media is just as slanted and biased as the shit you claim the fox pundits and talk radio are guilty of. ya gotta wonder why the leftylibs are unsuccessful at talk radio and fox is the most popular news network world wide. not everything the right says is true, but dont give your hate filled biased alphabet soup channels too much credit either. you guys essentially put a dishonest criminal in office so fess up and quit blaming your party's and your lousy presidents failures on the right, its getting kinda old.

    • 12 months ago
  • Alanb4130
    • 0
      Alanb4130  
    • congoboy:

      You are seriously out to lunch. You could not be more wrong. There is bias but that goes on both sides. But the content is what make the difference. The right wing has no truth to go on anymore. I have been following this stuff for over 6 years now. You match the mainstream left talkers vs the right wing talkers and there is no comparison. The Republicans have no successes. They have no accomplishments. They have done nothing for the middle class except hurt it. They continue to fear monger and lie. Fox News is a joke. Bush was the worst president this country has had in the modern era. The only reason why people like Rush Limbaugh get so much money is because that fat SOB loudmouth can lie and still sleep at night. The right wing is a fraud. Right wing ignorance is getting old. Fact after fact after fact is presented how trickle down economic is a failure , tax cuts for the rich did not work, de regulation does not work, the top 1% has continued to prosper while the middle class has been destroyed. How much more obvious do things have to get before people pull their heads out of their asses. Republicans want to destroy medicare, they want to privatize schools for profit, for profit prisons, for profit social security, Wall street run amok. You have no argument. You have no facts to argue. You have no point.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
    • 0
      congoboy  
    • Alanb4130:

      there is more incentive and motivation when profit is thrown into the equation so i dont see any problem there but let me know when obama has some successes will ya? bin laden doesnt count unless you want to include obamas implementation of and continued support of bush war on terror policies. and dont forget his hawkish war expansions in libya and yemen! peace out

    • 12 months ago
  • Alanb4130
    • 0
      Alanb4130  
    • congoboy:

      I get so sick and tired of people that make a comment when they can use their computer and find out for themselves. Google or Bing Obama accomplishments. That is just pure lazy. Fox News and the right wing talking heads have made up most of the criticism towards Obama. Granted there are things that are debatable but my goodness. Republicans have used the filibuster more times since 2006 when they were booted to the minority in the history of America. They were the ones that chose McCain and dumb ass Palin to be their candidates. They are to blame for Obama getting elected. But then again the Republicans still have nothing to run on . Abortion and anti gay . Really . The economy is in the crapper, unemployment is high. Republicans have the house back and they have done nothing for jobs but have went after Gay and abortion issues.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
    • 0
      congoboy  
    • Alanb4130:

      seems to be a central focus by the left as well. but you are right, the right havent fashioned any kind of political platform that i can see. if they dont we're stuck with 4 more years of a failing economy

    • 12 months ago
  • mybologna
    • +4
      mybologna  
    • The economy of the United States depends on war. The war industries are about the only manufacturing left in the United States. As many manufacturing jobs leave the country for cheaper labor abroad, weapon manufacturer become exempt from outsourcing because of national security reasons. Weapon contractors are exempt from global competition when they sell to the US government by trade agreements. As long as our economy continues to depend on military manufacturers we will continue to fight wars and continue to sell and spread our weapons throughout the world. We export war. When countries can't afford war, the US government sends them financial aid so they can.
      The government could spend their money in American made windmills, commuter trains, solar cells and such, but they are obligated by trade agreements to buy such things through global competitive bidding so when we buy a commuter train we end up stimulating the economy in Switzerland, or Japan, or Germany. We need to fix our trade agreements so we can be allowed to invest in ourselves.
      I believe all wars stem from conflicts in trade, profits and access to resources and only the rich benefit. When a war is deemed in the interest of the United States they only mean the corporate interests of the United States are threatened or access to markets and resources are coveted by such. The interests of the corporations are not the same as the interests of the people. Those who fight the wars are bought and then disposed of. The people who pay for these wars do not profit from it. American citizens are bamboozled into going to war. Fueled by corporate disinformation the population are whipped into a patriotic frenzy to benefit the same institutions that oppres them.
      I feel gump's pain. I too was a soldier. I served in Iraq in 2003. I think war is disgusting, reprehensible, and only to be used as the last option after all options are exhausted, and only for self defense. Despite all the propaganda to make me feel good about what I did there, I often feel shame for being part of such evil.

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • figgdimension
  • kennymotown
  • bluestranger
  • kennymotown
  • congoboy
  • figgdimension
  • figgdimension
  • Alanb4130
  • congoboy
  • rustyred
    • +6
      rustyred  
    • Image
    • Of course it's the wars. All of the money goes to the MIC to continue ongoing war (wherever, whenever) and then the rich make more money on their carpetbaggery. The MIC is merely laundering money for the wealthy. In the meantime, our young people continue to die in foreign lands for the dirty hands of the rich.

    • 12 months ago
  • congoboy
  • nobsartist
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • 0
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • nobsartist:

      Wow! Did I say wow? My fingers were bleeding from all the typing, copying and pasting through the years passing this video on to whoever would watch it. It makes my heart skip a beat knowing there are others out here that is spreading the news of who we should be and not what big business with a complicit government forces upon us through subterfuge by way of waving an American flag while calling for men to go off to fight wars for profit! The greedy bastards!

      Bravo.

    • 12 months ago
  • nobsartist
  • NiceN
    • +4
      NiceN  
    • Well, if it didn't drive the economy into the ground, then it is at the very least a ridiculous amount of wasted human power and resources.

    • 12 months ago
  • good_stuff
    • +5
      good_stuff  
    • All the statements above are true (i.e. wars, taxes, and spending contributed greatly to deficiet)

      None of the statments made are mutually exlusive, so they are all correct. I think the real problem must be the education system.

    • 12 months ago
  • scooter3282
    • +8
      scooter3282  
    • Bush/Cheney ruled over the biggest redistribution of wealth in the history of this country. Between the tax cuts that funnelled billions into the already richest personal coffers in the US and a large majority of that money went into the pockets of the most heinous war profiteers this country has ever seen. Whether it was the MIC itself or the top 2% who had stock in war profiteering corporations, we witnessed the greatest theft of financial resources from the American people ever devised and Halliburton CEO Cheney earned every cent of those billions he shoveled into his own and his cronies off shore bank accounts. The wars cannot be separated from the blatant theft of tax payers money, which these wars were really all about.

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • figgdimension
    • +4
      figgdimension  
    • scooter3282:

      That and developing sophisticated surveillance and military equipment to be used on us the unruly activists workers unions and anyone else who speaks out they'll say it's for drug cartels (uh,...cia) ;)

    • 12 months ago
  • scooter3282
  • scooter3282
    • +2
      scooter3282  
    • figgdimension:

      True, figgdimension. They certainly used their presidency to create the police state that now exists and trample everyone's civil liberties in the name of security. Quite a sleight of hand was played upon us.

    • 12 months ago
  • chrisntom
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • scooter3282
  • PressCore
  • scooter3282
  • PressCore
    • +6
      PressCore  
    • Here's something that might not have occurred to you before
      Sheep dip Nobama isn't the first con artist president to have been
      handed the Nobel Peace Prize. Woodrow Wilson received it too.
      The Banksters who greased the Gummint of 1913 to bring their
      Fed Trojan Horse within the USA had already fomented the early
      beginnings of war in Europe. They wanted to sucker the USA into
      their World War as a belligerent nation. The U.S. was looking for
      a way to finance the war they felt was inevitable. So the Fed, and
      the national income tax was the way to do it. The killer of it is, the
      USA's taxpayers are still paying at least part of the WW1 debt, as
      part of the national debt, as they are at least part of the WW2
      debt, Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, as they will Libya.
      What do you figure Billions amounts to with compound interest over
      nearly a century ? Pretty staggering.

      The Uberrich top 1% got that way by investing in the military's
      industrial complex. Fiat currency & oil fuel that M.I.C. It's become
      a perpetual motion war machine that's taken on a life of it's own.
      Bush's giveaway of $2.5 Trillion could have put the USA on a par
      with Germany in making homes solar & wind generating electricity
      librerated instead of fossil fuel dependent. But then, where in this
      world would you find a nazi who didn't believe in ensalving others ?

    • 12 months ago
  • jim_b
  • rodstradamus
    • +3
      rodstradamus  
    • http://current.com/entertainment/movies/92951781_frankenfed.htm
      The FrankenFed is the MONSTER AMOUNGST US. It controls our currency. It kills our commerce. It creates our wars. It has brought us debt, diseases and the Depression by design. The Federal Reserve is privately owned. It is a "cabal" of criminals who control our currency and our commerce. Unlike the legendary Dr Frankenstein who performed his experiments and created his monster from the dead, these modern Dr Frankenstein s have performed their experiments and created their monsters from the living. Their goal is global --- not just to rule the world -- but to own it. Dr Robert Rowen and Ronald McDonald who have written the book, THEY OWN IT ALL INCLUDING YOU, document the fact that the birth certificates of our children are used as "living currency" and bear "The Mark" of the US Dept Of Commerce. Through their book and this film you will see that these "Bloodsucking Banksters" which have operated in the dark for nearly a century are vulnerable, like vampires, to the light of day.

    • 12 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • kvb1
    • +4
      kvb1  
    • It is not just increasing taxes on income over $250K but changing the tax policy that has greatly contributed to the gambling on Wall St: Increasing Capital Gain to be proportional based on time the security is held, rather than how much money is made. Keeping "investments" investments should be the goal, rather than making the quickest buck possible. This kind of thinking has lead to the decline in manufacturing in the US, the shipping of jobs overseas, and reduced tax revenue from fewer people making middle class wages.

    • 12 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • oppressed1
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