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Drought in Northern Europe and e-coli outbreak

JanforGore
Drought will be more serious and long lasting. I wonder if it is in part responsible for the e-coli outbreak. We need to be very concerned about this. This is a perfect storm leading to higher food prices and conflict.
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  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Also, even though their government claims some were found in sprouts and have now targeted them, it didn't originate on the sprouts. It had to come from another source, most likely from an animal namely cattle, barring any other pathway ( or circumstance such as terrorism) that is not normal. Heat also intensifies the emergence of bacterias and can be found in times of floods and in times of drought. And floods following droughts are a sure sign that surface temperatures are warmer which increases water evaporation and then precipitation. This is also happening in China after their worst drought in half a century which I posted about below. The bottomline then is, that this particular e-coli strain in my view could well be a stronger strain made that way by warmer temperatures which contributed to the drought that was then carried by the host to the target.

    • 12 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Voting down legitimate opinions only shows you can't address nor refute them. So be it. No wonder this site has lost so many good people.

    • 12 months ago
  • samthesixth
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • samthesixth:

      How about this: I am getting to the point where I don't care. People can do what they want and let the world burn. Good answer? Or will you now "grill" me for daring to have an opinion here?

    • 12 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
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    • Can anyone totally debunk this?

      http://www.naturalnews.com/032622_ecoli_bioengineering.html
      This was written by Mike Adams:
      So how, exactly, does a bacterial strain come into existence that's resistant to over a dozen antibiotic­s in eight different drug classes and features two deadly gene mutations plus ESBL enzyme capabiliti­es?
      There's really only one way this happens (and only one way) -- you have to expose this strain of e.coli to all eight classes of antibiotic­s drugs. Usually this isn't done at the same time, of course: You first expose it to penicillin and find the surviving colonies which are resistant to penicillin­. You then take those surviving colonies and expose them to tetracycli­ne. The surviving colonies are now resistant to both penicillin and tetracycli­ne. You then expose them to a sulfa drug and collect the surviving colonies from that, and so on. It is a process of genetic selection done in a laboratory with a desired outcome. This is essentiall­y how some bioweapons are engineered by the U.S. Army in its laboratory facility in Ft. Detrick, Maryland

    • 12 months ago
  • ArchDruid
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • ArchDruid:

      Well thinking it is different from stating it as absolute fact, which you did. All I am stating is that in thiis world we now live in, nothing can be discounted completely.

      And thanks for the down votes just for wanting discussion. I will now make sure to start doing the same thing since it appears that sniping, backbiting and kneejerking are the new rules on this site.

    • 12 months ago
  • ArchDruid
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • ArchDruid:

      Fine but what do you base that on?

      Your comment from the post on Swine Flu here:

      "but organisms are constantly evolving getting stronger or changing into another form"

      Didn't I state the same thing here?

      "As environments change, these bacterias and visuses will fight to build up immunity and will become dominant as weaker strains succomb to those changes"

      How does that warrant dismissal and down voting? Because it makes the point?

    • 12 months ago
  • ArchDruid
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • ArchDruid:

      "The outbreak does not relate to anything happening with climate change"

      Why not? Because the media says so? This wasn't just any normal strain. As environments change, these bacterias and visuses will fight to build up immunity and will become dominant as weaker strains succomb to those changes.This is what scientists have warned us to be watchful of. To totally dismiss this with no basis considering the world we live in is not logical.

    • 12 months ago
  • IceKat
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • ArchDruid:

      I know full well about water and farming and never discounted that either. Matter of fact my first comment on this in another thread was about contaminated water. However, it is obvious that I am absolutely surrounded by experts in every field so I shouldn't even bother to give an opinion here or try to introduce food for thought.

    • 12 months ago
  • ArchDruid
  • lamborghini
  • lamborghini
  • tverdell
  • JanforGore
  • figgdimension
  • lamborghini
  • Leen61
  • JanforGore
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  
    • When the temperature is below 80 degrees F trees breathe in Co2 and exhale oxygen.
      When the temperature is above 80 degrees F trees not only stop sequestering carbon but they actually start releasing Co2 and other VOCs. This is a positive feedback that magnifies global warming.

      Forests have recently been found to form rainclouds from the gasses and bacteria they release into the atmosphere at a temperature below 80 degrees F. I've personally observed this phenomenon living in a redwood forest in northern California. I loved to watch the mist rise from the trees and draw down the clouds, doing a ghostly dance that always brought plenty of moisture even if it didn't rain. Those days are fading fast.

      Now all we are seeing are bigger and bigger forest fires.

      I have posted this time-lapse of trees evapotranspiring rainclouds several times with no comment. Is this too radical or difficult to fathom?

    • 12 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • coolplanet:

      Yes. Radical. Too much like my cyclical engines and they too die on the vine. Welcome to the club. You made the fatal mistake => used more than 8 words.

      However, my latest engine that has only 3 moving parts might make it, once Crude Oil execs throw in the towel... and "hell freezes over", which might happen. We've closer to Outer Space.

      Minus 300 to Minus 350. If hell freezes we freeze first.

    • 12 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • JanforGore
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • http://www.uoguelph.ca/news/2010/07/climate_change.html

      "Climate change may cause e-coli to thrive, researchers warn"

      "Ten years after the Walkerton, Ont., tragedy, a University of Guelph professor says deadly E. coli bacteria adapting to a changing climate may pose new public health dangers to water and soil.

      A new review paper co-authored by Prof. Jack Trevors, School of Environmental Sciences, warns that different forms of E. coli — particularly the pathogenic O157:H7 strain that killed seven people and sickened thousands more in Walkerton in 2000 — may find new ways to thrive in a warming environment.

      The paper, titled “Survival of Escherichia coli in the Environment: Fundamental and Public Health Aspects,” appeared in June in The ISME Journal, published by the International Society for Microbial Ecology.

      The paper was co-authored by researchers in the Netherlands and Portugal.

      Changing climate and environment will likely trigger genetic changes in bacteria that could enable pathogens to survive in soil and water, potentially contaminating drinking-water sources.

      “It’s a public-health alert," said Trevors, a microbiologist. "We have to be alert to possible new public health aspects.”

      Public-health agencies, municipalities and operators of public and private water and waste-water systems need to pay more attention to infrastructure to prevent contamination, he said.

      “The more we know about this, the better we can protect our water supply.”

      The scientists reviewed existing research on genomic changes in E. coli, especially in the O157:H7 strain. That strain has developed tolerance for more acidic environments. That means the bug could more readily survive passage through the guts of animals and humans and enter the drinking-water system and farm fields.

      They call for more study of the genetic ability of pathogenic bacteria to survive in open environments."

    • 12 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • JanforGore:

      Airborne microscopic (lightweight = float easily) still require moisture and soil, so our engines give them the Primordial Soup the little deadly germ beasties thrive in to PROLIFERATE AND KILL US ALL => WE'RE GONNA DIE YOU FOOLS.

      I'm okay. I'm good with death. It will be a step up. haha

    • 12 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC110608-0000304/Drought-hit-Guizhou-ravaged-b...

      This is the essence of biodistress that also brings diseases.

      "A drought that has gripped parts of central and southern China has retreated after downpours over the weekend that brought deadly flooding to south-western Guizhou province.

      The rains shrank the area of farmland affected by drought by 39 per cent to 2.3 million hectares, including in the major rice-growing provinces of Hubei and Hunan, the People's Daily reported, citing the national flood and drought relief office.

      Parts of China along the Yangtze River basin and nearby have been enduring their worst drought in 50 years or more, with rainfall 40 to 60 per cent less than normal over recent months, damaging crops and cutting power from hydroelectric dams.

      Some dry areas enjoyed rains of up to 80mm between Friday and Monday, the People's Daily said. But Jiangsu province on the east coast received only about 3mm average rainfall, leaving parts of it still parched.

      In Guizhou province, the easing of drought swung to flooding that killed 14 people and left 52 missing in Wangmo county.

      Torrential rains there overwhelmed the local river and flooded the county seat and other towns, forcing 45,000 people to move.

      Another 3,000 people were still stranded, said county officials.

      About 300 houses were toppled and 2,400 submerged, while 5,500 hectares of farmland were also under water.

      The floods also destroyed roads and bridges and washed away more than 500 vehicles.

      County officials said the flooding disrupted power and water supplies and telecommunications services in Wangmo, which has a population of eight million.

      The provincial civil affairs bureau said floods have hit 14 cities and counties in Guizhou province since Friday, affecting 400,000 people, reported the Xinhua News Agency.

      Rain is forecast till tomorrow in most of the province. Agencies"

    • 12 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • JanforGore:

      Rain Forecasts are fast becoming Flood Forecasts. Storms become Tornado Threats all. What is indicated for this patient is a GREAT BIG GIANT HAMMER to his Johnson.

      Obviously the patient prefers little crude oil upholstery hammers. Reminds me of the television show I liked => The Six Million Dollar Man. No matter how busted up Lee Major's character astronaut Steve Austin was they refused to give up.

      That's how the United States of America ends => HERE LIES US. We never gave up [on Crude Oil]. Hey Jan! Catch Rush Limbaugh today. He's going to explain how we need to start drilling oil on US soil. Should be a real bell ringer (ends boxing matches).

      HA HAH! Plenty of women still in Dogpatch too! Sadie Hawkins Day Race comes soon. Fastest car with highest gasoline octane combustion engine gets the beauty out front!!! My money's on the 16-cylinder Bugatti. Electrics? They get the uhm slower runners.

    • 12 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • And it's not just in Europe:

      Texas drought has farmers on the ropes

      West Texas farmers and ranchers struggle to survive the worst drought in the region since the Dust Bowl of the 1930s.

      May 22, 2011|By Julie Cart, Los Angeles Times

      The wind in West Texas is famously powerful and incessant. But this year, more big blows than anyone can remember have roared through, stripping away precious topsoil and carrying off another season of hope for farmers and ranchers.

      Everywhere, it seems, the land is on the move: sand building up in corners of the just-swept front porch and coating clean laundry on the line, dust up your nose and in crevices of farm machinery. Drive along unpaved county roads and the farmers' plight becomes clear: Wind rakes the surface, scouring sand into adjacent fields, sweeping into farmers' deeply tilled furrows.

    • 12 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • I just wonder how much of this perfect storm is real and how much is made up to jack up prices. Look at oil they do it every day maybe food is catching on, there is good money to be made in fear.

    • 12 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • littlwarrior:

      The drought is real and it is indeed affecting crop output. For sure there are also many players hoping to profit from it, but we should also not get so apathetic that we do not understand the seriousness of this as well.

    • 12 months ago
  • lamborghini
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • JanforGore:

      Im with you there apathy is the greatest enemy and I do not doubt the realism of the the drought, I just wonder if it will really create a crisis or if the crisis will come more from the idea of the crisis.

    • 12 months ago
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