If the Elections Were Today Obama Would Lose

so true. but what i find even more fascinating is that even the leftylib alphabet soup channels are abandoning the ss obama...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

Thanks. Good comment.

youre right. his loss in 2012 would be relevant

thanks hughead errr ah i mean ian. heres some more stats you might find of interest...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

looks like another one of them skewed polls

" PPP surveyed 520 American voters from June 9th to 12th. The margin of error for the survey is +/-4.3%. This poll was not paid for or authorized by any campaign or political organization. PPP surveys are conducted through automated telephone interviews. PPP is a Democratic polling company, but polling expert Nate Silver of the New York Times found that its surveys in 2010 actually exhibited a slight bias toward Republican
candidates."
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_615.pdf

in reality all polls can be easily manipulated to reflect what the pollsters desire

Great comment. Thanks!!

you may be right. but with todays fucked up economy, continued bush war on terror policies, patriot act, failure after failure even a freak looks pretty good in comparison to most americans

I think that is wishful thinking on your part.

i just wish we could all get along and you and i were alone together on some tropical beach sipping margaritas

if xena agrees beer it is

not disputing a few bush policies that lead us to the cliff but electing bush lite took us clean over.

try cnn...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

bush lite

BULLSHIT on multiple accounts.

1) Obama didn't get bin Laden, the military did. They did it under his watch. Score +1 for Obama
2) They got bin Laden thanks to INTEL gathered by using the techniques formulated by and used by the Bush Administration and which Obama opposed and has stopped. (+1 Bush), -1 Obama
3) Obama opposed Patriot Act, but has renewed and expanded it. -1
4) Obama said he'd get us out of Afghanistan but has NOT done so. -1
5) Obama said he'd draw down Iraq, but hasn't. -1
6) Obama said the attack on Iraq was illegal and immoral since Iraq never attacked us, but then rationalized an attack against Lybia, citing the same reasons for going into Iraq. -1
7) Obama said if we didn't spend $1 trillion unemployment might top 8%. He spent the money, it has since gone to well over 9%, up to 17% if you include the frustrated workers who quit looking. -2
8) After the initial bailout, Obama said he had to spend more money to create jobs: job growth is at best stagnant, unemployment every month is "unexpectedly high". -1
9) Obama care has turned out to be a very mixed bag, loved by Liberals, hated by everyone else. I'll score it a neutral +/- 0 for now.
10) Obama has demonstrated a horrible detached attitude and narcisistic desire to play golf at the worst times, having played more rounds in his first 6 months than Bush did in 8 years. -1
11) Obama has converted Bush's horrible $450 billion/year deficit into a $1.5 trillion deficit. -2
12) Obama said he would not have lobbyists the the WH, but he DOES surround himself with them. -1
13) Obama said he would unite the people and yet he has repeatedly played a game of race-baiting divisiveness. -1
14) Obama said he'd run the most "transparent" administration in history. Instead he has stonewalled every investigation, refused FOIA requests. -1
15) His administration has unilaterally decided to ignore federal law such as DOMA, completely undermining the concept that the Executive branch's mission is to EXECUTE the laws. -1
16) His Justice Department appears to be infiltrated by activists to practice reverse discrimination and refuse to investigate Black on White crimes (NBP as one example). -1
17) Obama's policies at the border have gotten our agents killed, he has given orders that limit arrests and interventions in order to artificially change statistics to make it look like the borders are fine when they are not. -1
18) Obama has waged a non-stop war against states that attempt to uphold and enforce Federal Immigration Laws. -1
19) Obama's administration is directly responsible for the disastrous "Operation Gunrunner" that had the ATF tell gunshops along the border to allow strawman purchases to Mexican drug cartels, and in the end those guns were used to murder Mexican citizens and US Agents. He then tried to leverage off the violence in Mexico to test the waters for further gun control laws in the USA. -2
20) Obama has run around the world on a global apology tour, repeatedly talking down America, bowing to foreign potentates and insulting our allies. (The jackass even bowed to Tampa mayor Iorio, what is wrong with the dickhead?) -1
21) Obama's international policy is completely confused, flummoxed, or lacking entirely. Every time he goes to "negotiate" with Russia, China, Mexico, or Israel he not only comes back empty-handed, he has given away what they want without one concession. -1

Shall I continue?

Patriotism is NOT supporting the president, it's doing what is right for the country. Your attitude of "support the president no matter what" is indicative that you are nothing more than a groupie, a victim of group-think, a cult follower.

Or are you saying you supported Nixon, no matter what?
Did you support Bush...no matter what?

I doubt it. And if I'm right...then that also makes you a hipocrite.

only when a dems in office right?

18) Obama has waged a non-stop war against states that attempt to uphold and enforce Federal Immigration Laws.
- We already have laws against illegal immigration. What Arizona is proposing, goes against the Constitution. That is what the suit is about. Their law gives police the right to profile based on racial or ethnic appearance. i.e. They’re not going to stop illegals from Canada…just Mexico.

Amendment 15 - Race No Bar to Vote. Ratified 2/3/1870.
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

19) Obama's administration is directly responsible for the disastrous "Operation Gunrunner" that had the ATF tell gunshops along the border to allow strawman purchases to Mexican drug cartels, and in the end those guns were used to murder Mexican citizens and US Agents. He then tried to leverage off the violence in Mexico to test the waters for further gun control laws in the USA.
-Operation Gunrunner was started in 2005. Guess who was president. Please check your facts. You are embarrassing yourself.

20) Obama has run around the world on a global apology tour, repeatedly talking down America, bowing to foreign potentates and insulting our allies. (The jackass even bowed to Tampa mayor Iorio, what is wrong with the dickhead?)
-After how terrible the Texas Gun-slinging, war-mongering Bush made us look to the world, including starting 2 wars and going against the UN, we needed someone to repair foreign relations. How would you feel if nobody wanted to buy our goods because of Bush? –Would you just be prideful, say screw them, and let the economy crumble because of your pride? I bet you would. In places like Japan and China, bowing is like a hand-shake. You’re only exposing your ignorance here.
21) Obama's international policy is completely confused, flummoxed, or lacking entirely. Every time he goes to "negotiate" with Russia, China, Mexico, or Israel he not only comes back empty-handed, he has given away what they want without one concession.
We’re in a Recession. We owe countries lots of money. We need all of the friends and help we can get. Obama is not a perfect person. You can’t expect him to be good at everything. I’m certain that Palin would not do as well of a job as Obama. In fact, not only would she come back empty handed, but she would come back with enemies.
Shall I continue?
-No please stop. I’m tired of embarrassing you, and exposing your myopic view of the world.
Patriotism is NOT supporting the president, it's doing what is right for the country. Your attitude of "support the president no matter what" is indicative that you are nothing more than a groupie, a victim of group-think, a cult follower.
-I supported Bush while he was president. I may not have liked the things he did, but I did not hope for his failure. Failure of the president is the failure of the nation. Regardless if his views and policies were different from mine, it was not my place to tear him down publically as a person. Though his transgressions were obvious, I didn’t have to go looking for things that I did not agree with.
I also did not go about tearing him down while he was in office. It was not until he left office that I spoke out against his actions. The holder of the office of the President, and the leader of our nation deserves that much respect. From day one, I have heard nothing but “I hope Obama fails” from conservatives and from their pulpits. It’s as if he was doomed to start. The reason escapes me.
But it is very obvious from the howling errors that you’ve made from your generic conservative talking points that you really are nothing more than a sock-puppet. Perpetuating the hate of one side to further their agenda, even as it weakens and decays our country in it’s volatile state. Whether you see it or not, you are helping to create a country where only the rich succeed, and the poor die in the streets. I can prove it to you by doing one thing; by continuing to vote Republican. All I have to do is that, and wait. I live in a state that has been controlled by Republicans for 30 years. You have to vote Republican, because there are no other candidates. We have one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation. We have one of the highest insurance costs. We have the poorest education. We are a right-to-work state, and unions are illegal. In 30 years time, this state has done nothing to turn itself around, and has consistently gotten worse. They will cut anything in the budget which is a “service” or “benefit”, but will continue to give themselves raises during a budget-shortfall. That is what a hypocrite is. Someone who claims fiscal conservative values, yet fails to grasp the basic laws of revenue and spending, and ignores years of historical data so that they can further their failed economic ideologies, all the while, they believe that they can pay themselves more, but those "lesser" than themselves deserve nothing.
For an old man, you have much to learn.

All that's needed now is a hand clapping emoticon.

Wait until the presidential campaign. If the numbers don't change significantly Obama has nothing to run on with mainsteam America. All he will have is to attempt to drag down his opponent into the gutter.

Obama has done a lot for the gay community. Unless someone is gay or a socialist there's nothing that resonates with the American public.

Right on!

try cnn, the trusted news source...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

try cnn, the news you can trust...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

Thank you, thank you for taking the time to share this. I didn't have the energy, patience or grasp of detail you've displayed here to respond. This is what a patriot sounds like. One of the best posts I've ever read.

This was great. Thank you for taking the time. Everything you say is true and you have my vote!!!

Thank you tl. I hate the lies.

Not true on both counts and you left out many other groups who will probably vote for Obama. And not because Obama's done all that many of us would have him do, but because the alternative is downright scary. We've seen what 8 years of the last Repub president did.

How many job bills have the Repubs passed? Isn't that what they campaigned on? Obama's not the only one who's going to catch hell if the economy's not doing better.

try these stats...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

sometimes, but sometimes i get them from cnn, check this one out...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed,
for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more
easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The
primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a
big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies,
but would be ashamed to tell big lies."
by: Adolf Hitler
(1889-1945) German Nazi Dictator
Date: 1935
Source: Mein Kampf, p. 197(?) 14th Edition.

“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”
Vladimir Lenin
Russian Communist politician & revolutionary (Russian Founder of the Russian Communist Party, leader of the Russian Revolution of 1917, 1870-1924)

"the principle & which is quite true in itself & that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-Joseph Goebbels

all these horrifically evil and wicked men...
...and then there's henry kissinger,
Kissinger has always reminded more than a bit of Ben Stein (who is about as close to pure evil as anyone can get)

"How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb."
Peter Sellers was a master genius.

i choose to have few friends, its safer. warren would be one of them

Ignorant. The NYT investigation after the election in FL found that Bush won the vote fairly.

Before you call me a Bushie--I was a Democrat, in Florida, voted against Bush TWICE.

But the FACTS ARE THE FCTS.

i give you a up vote for that. even though untrue it is funny

I didn't say anything about fairly, I said honestly. Big difference in those two words and how they are being used. In the Bush camp, lying, cheating, killing, stealing, torturing etc., are all fair.

well thank you, but I think curtis voted you down for doing that. He doesn't often get funny.

apparently obama thinks so to

WHAT? Obama voted you down too?

seems only fair

mind your own goddamn business, I didn't vote either way for congoboy, but I certainly don't find you funny, just ignorant and biased.

I just did, ignoramus.

can you point out to any dishonesty in the Bush campaign of 2000?
you seem to talk out your ass a lot.

"Talking out of your ass a lot" sounds quite a bit like the Bush campaigns.

agreed. now if you can just convince the left

have you heard the right wing call michelle a "cunt" the way the left called Palin one?
many more examples...no time to get into it.

hate is not healthy, but there are many very sound reasons for citizens to be very angry. On BOTH sides of the political fence, our leaders have betrayed us.

I will agree with you there are people on the left who have used really despicable language when critiquing Palin, and it is disgusting and counter productive, and I will also agree with you that people on both sides have reason to be angry, and that hate has no place in the debate. We need to pull together on this, not away from each other, because I agree with you on your third point too...our leaders have betrayed us.

yes, you just did it, in writing.

"emotional stress** witch **can cause illness and also take years off of your life"

Wiccan are we?

When Obama first came forward Republicans saw red flags with his associations. Then dress it in the corruption of Chicago politics and there was plenty to worry about.

very funny...

right on. we agree on something

WTF? brainless twit

having a chance is kinda subjective. the economy's in a shambles, unemployment is near record highs. obama continues bush era war on terror policies ie: enhanced interrogation, club gitmo, patriot act. plus continues waging illegal wars around the world. so i think its a pretty safe bet that if the elections were held today he would lose. 17 months from now is anyone's guess at this point.

Who do you think would win? If it were toda

anyone but

you know youre right. so i went on over to cnn to see what their slant was. check this out...http://current.com/news/93285252_cnn-poll-voters-strongly-disapprove-of-obama-s-...

Felt the same way about George Bush in office. And we're still digging out after his 2 terms.

Liberals are easy to bash. They're stuck in impractical ideology rather than reality. I'm a fiscal conservative and social moderate. I've voted for moderate Democrats. I don't ever see liberals voting for anything but far left ideology.

The priority right now is the budget and the deficit. Without the financial house in order there will be nothig left to help others. You can't spend your way out of debt. You would have a better chance of going to Vegas and gambling your way out of debt. "00" has to come up once in a while.

It didn't go south until the end. It was just a pissed off media upset Bush won, bashing him for eight years that made gullible people believe it was bad. If Obama was a Republican the press would have crucified him by now. I wasn't a Bush fan. But it wasn't nearly as bad the the liberal media spoon fed gullible liberals to believe it to be.

I'm reading a book on the Wall Street collapse written by a Democrat and endorsed by a former Democrat campaign strategist as the truth. When I get a chance to read it all I'll blow you away with the ugly truth about Democrats and Wall Street. The thing people on this site don't understand is there are a lot of Democrats on Wall Street. They don't mind rules and regulations as long as the game is fixed in their favor.

Wrong. Most all economists agree the worst thing FDR did was stop creating jobs and back-pedaled to take care of deficit.

Jobs to get the Economy growing is the # 1 concern. Just like the Germans who are dealing with the crisis way better than anyone else. Whereas the Tories in UK, following the Republic Syndicate/ALEC Plan, are dropping deeper and deeper into trouble.

i only wish that i had more than one mean, selfish, greedy life to give for my country

"Social Conservatism" and "Fiscal Conservatism" are mutually exclusive.
The policies that "Social Conservatives" strive to implement are the LEAST "Fiscally Conservative" policies conceivable.
"Social Conservatives" are not "Conservative" by any standard or definition of the term.
Those calling themselves "Social Conservatives" are what the dictionary defines as being "Regressives".
A "Libertarian Social Conservative" is an oxymoronic contradiction in terms.
"Social Conservatives" cannot be, by definition, Libertarian.
"Fiscal Conservatives" flatly defy everything that "Social Conservatives" claim to stand for.
"Fiscal Conservatives" ARE, in fact, Conservative, in that they favor smaller government.
"Social Conservatives" advocate for some of the most super-massive expansions and extensions of the power of government ever proposed.
"Social Conservatives" are AGAINST smaller government.
"Social Conservatives" also advocate against rights, liberties, and freedoms; and so stand AGAINST both Liberalism and Libertarianism.
As Regressives, "Social Conservatives" are the diametric polar opposite of Progressivism.
"Fiscal Conservatives", however, on the other hand, CAN reasonably claim to call themselves "Libertarian" as smaller government CAN potentially permit possibly greater liberties.
However, smaller government can also result in people having their rights taken away from them, which defies Liberalism, so "Fiscal Conservatism" must always be in moderation, as the purest form of "Libertarianism" imaginable would be anarchy, with government shrunken so small that it can no longer function to govern.

this way down, no need to shove

even after our cooch exchange? if you knew me in person you'd never let me go

for some men snakiness can be an attribute

ESPECIALLY after the cooch exchange. ROTFLMAO.

It is....truly. ; )