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American Fukushima? Flooding Missouri River endangers nuclear power plants! (Update: 6/19/2011)

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Many thanks to OldBanjo for alerting us to this situation. I did not see a topic folder opened on this subject, so am opening one. However, really, OldBanjo deserves the credit because he asked the question we should ALL be asking:

Why isn't the MSM covering this?

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***Link#1: A series of images from which the one (of Fort Calhoun NPP) accompanying this post was taken: http://cryptome.org/eyeball/ne-npp-flood/ne-npp-flood.htm

***Link #2: A frequent "activist"-type, very comprehensive, video website with updates of the current situation regarding Missouri River flooding and the local nuclear power plants. These updates include local news articles, statements and orders from government organization (i.e., the Nuclear Regulatory Commission), maps, etc.
http://www.zocial.tv/today/News/18425071/emergency-alert-nebraska-cooper-nuclear...

****Link #3: A great, thorough video from Bismark, yesterday, which says there was, overnight, a lot of new flooding on the Missouri River secondary to 2" to 3" of rain overnight. Plus, they are going to release MORE water in the near future. This means that it is going to be higher flooding at the two Nebraska nuclear power plants.

***Link #4" A St. Louis a CBS local news station video discussing the many old dams in the Missouri River watershed. They have not been maintained, some of them never having had their flood gates open (some are 50 years old, and older). Well, they are going to open the flood gates now, and there is great concern what is going to happen. Some of them are EARTHEN dams.

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The image with this post is from Ft. Calhoun NPP, located just outside Omaha, Nebraska, which is currently shut down for refueling. However, last Tuesday, a fire in an electrical switch room knocked out cooling for a pool holding spent nuclear fuel. Ft. Calhoun is located at a 500-year flood event level.

The other nuclear power plant at risk is Cooper NPP. In the last week, it came under special oversight by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

Cooper starts flooding preparations (and announces an emergency alert for flooding) at 40.5 feet of flooding. Flooding at Cooper is expected to, in the next few days, reach much higher because of the increased flooding in Bismark making its way downstream. (Link #3)

Cooper is built at a 100-year flood-event level. Cooper had to announce an emergency alert last year because of flooding.

I think the "100-year flood" thingee isn't working so good, and should be reevaluated.

i don't know why this isn't being covered (except, perhaps, the government doesn't want the MSM to cover it and, being the compliant little toadies they are, the MSM isn't publishing it), but it should be.

More importantly, why has not President Obama spoken to us about this? is he going to wait until it occurs and then just pat us on the back and say "poor thing"? People who live downstream need to make preparations for this. The thing with emergencies is the preparation. How can they prepare for something they may not know could imminently occur?

There is the potential for a huge amount of damage if radioactive material enters the Missouri River. Hundreds to thousands, of square miles of prime crop land could be reduced to being morbid for farming, fish would not be able to be eaten if caught in the Missouri River, everywhere the water flowed (into other rivers and the Gulf, for instance) would be contaminated.

And why the hell are NPPs built in a freaking FLOOD ZONE? I know, access to water for cooling, but they should have been forced, during construction, to elevate the reactors above the flood zone.
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  • oldbanjo
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • CAPTION: This is what one of the rubber Aqua Dams looks like, in place (at Fort Calhoun).

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      Army Corps brass will be visiting Missouri after being criticized by Missouri's congressional reps for not better managing the Missouri River situation.

      This is the part of the article where it gets interesting:

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      "Corps officials acknowledged over the weekend that they are failing to keep up despite the releases. Continuing snowmelt and rain is complicating matters and corps officials said on Friday that they are moving more water from two upstream reservoirs into the Fort Randall impoundment in South Dakota, where space had been kept open.
      *****More heavy rains are forecast in coming days, prompting Army engineers to warn on Saturday that if weather continues to deteriorate, they will lose their ability to make adjustments between dams and may need to increase releases from Fort Randall and Gavins Point dams.
      *****Gavins Point -- where the flow on Saturday averaged 150,300 cubic feet per second -- is the easternmost dam in the system. The corps said that the strong weather system moving across Montana and the Dakotas into the upper Midwest this week will have "a big impact" on the basin.
      *****The corps reported Sunday that a levee at Atchison County in northwest Missouri had overtopped after the water rose two feet in a 24-hour period...."

      http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/article_4fcd5...

      (article continues at URL, above)

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    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      The Corp is probably limited at what they can do because of these Reactors. These earthen Dams up River were not intended to hold back water for long periods of time. They are about to get a test and so is this waterproof Reactor. This water will be a problem till the middle of July.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • CAPTION: Stats on Missouri River Basin dams for 6/17/2011.

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      Cooper NPP declared a NOUE early this morning, 6/19/2011, because the river reached 42.5 feet (899 feet above mean sea level). NWS estimates a river level of 42.7 feet by late this afternoon.

      Once the river hits 45.5 (902 feet above sea level), they will have to shut down the plant.
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      http://www.omaha.com/article/20110619/NEWS01/110619670/0

      River rises near NPPD plant

      By Kevin Cole

      Cooper Nuclear Station near Brownville, Neb., declared a "Notification of Unusual Event" about 4 a.m. Sunday when the Missouri River there reached a height of 42.5 feet.
      The declaration, which has been anticipated by the power plant’s operators, was made as part of safety and emergency preparedness plan the station follows when flooding conditions are in effect.
      The plan’s procedures dictate when the Missouri River’s water level reaches 42.5 feet, or greater than 899 feet above sea level, a notification of unusual event is declared. If the river’s level increases to 45.5 feet or 902 feet above sea level, plant operators are instructed take the station offline as a safety measure.

      The National Weather Service estimated that the river will rise to 42.7 feet by late afternoon Sunday.

      Cooper Nuclear Station is located three miles southeast of Brownville and 70 miles south of Omaha. It is owned and operated by the Nebraska Public Power District, with headquarters in Columbus, Neb....

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    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • Here's a startling bit of "news."

      The elevation of the Fort Calhoun plant is 1004 feet. As of 6/15/2011, the river was at 1005.7, and is "expected to crest at 1,006.4 feet."

      The rubber water-filled barrier is 8' in height. So that gives the Fort Calhoun NNP protection to 1012 feet, assuming the rubber tube doesn't get a leak, fail, etc. But, according to this article, the Fort Calhoun is required to prepare for a flood of 1014 feet.

      The second article indicates Fort Calhoun should be protected to 1010 to 1012 feet elevation.

      This seems to be cutting it very, very close, IMO.

      The question that begs to be asked--if the plant is supposed to be protected to 1014 feet elevation, why was it only protected to 1004 feet (the elevation of the plant, because there are no permanent barriers to protect from flooding)? They had to add an 8' rubber water barrier to get it to 1012 feet.

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      http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/dawn-stover/rising-water-falli...
      "RISING WATER, FALLING JOURNALISM"

      6/16/2011

      "Many news outlets copied this sentence from a June 6 OPPD press release announcing a low-level emergency: "According to projections from the US Army Corps of Engineers, the river level at the plant site is expected to reach 1,004 feet above mean sea level later this week, and is expected to remain above that level for more than one month." Though hardly reassuring news so far, missing from these reports (and from the original release) was the elevation of the plant itself, which turns out to be -- surprise! -- 1,004 feet. According to NRC Senior Public Affairs Officer Victor Dricks, the river yesterday was at 1,005.7 feet and is expected to crest at 1,006.4 feet. By then, the plant will be standing in more than two feet of water; luckily, the eight-foot-tall Aqua Dams should keep the water at bay. And the river is still well below the worst-imaginable scenario that OPPD is required to prepare for: a flood reaching 1,014 feet above sea level. Nevertheless, in the absence of any context, the press-release language is meaningless to any reader in the neighboring communities."

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      ("NRC: No flood danger at reactor,"
      http://www.omaha.com/article/20110617/NEWS01/706179913

      "Earlier this week, the river stood at 1,005.6 feet elevation, Remus said, and has been mostly unchanged since then. The corps' projections place the river crest this summer, barring extraordinary rains, between roughly 1,006 and 1,008 feet.
      Burke said OPPD's flood barriers would protect the plant to 1,010 to 1,012 feet elevation. The reactor itself is in a watertight container and the spent fuel pool is at 1,038.5 feet elevation."

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    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • CAPTION: "Water roils out of the spillways below the Gavins Point Dam in the Missouri River near Yankton, S.D., Tuesday, June 14, 2011. On Tuesday, the releases hit the maximum planned amount of 150,000 cubic feet of water per second. The dam releases are expected to raise the river 5 to 7 feet above flood stage in most of Nebraska and Iowa. So officials downstream in Nebraska, Iowa and Missouri will be watching for more levee problems. Photo by The Associated Press." (6/15/2011

      NOTE THE "5 to 7 feet above flood stage."

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      The following is an excellent article.

      The quoted part of the article (below) discusses the dam situation upstream.

      http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/dawn-stover/rising-water-falli...
      "RISING WATER, FALLING JOURNALISM"

      6/16/2011

      "...The Fort Calhoun plant has never experienced a flood like this before. The plant began commercial operation in 1973, long after the construction of six huge dams -- from Fort Peck in Montana to Gavins Point in South Dakota -- that control the Missouri River flows and normally prevent major floods. But, this spring, heavy rains and high snowpack levels in Montana, northern Wyoming, and the western Dakotas have filled reservoirs to capacity, and unprecedented releases from the dams are now reaching Omaha and other cities in the Missouri River valley. Floodgates that haven't been opened in 50 years are spilling 150,000 cubic feet per second -- enough water to fill more than a hundred Olympic-size swimming pools in one minute. And Fort Calhoun isn't the only power plant affected by flooding on the Missouri: The much larger Cooper Nuclear Station in Brownville, Nebraska, sits below the Missouri's confluence with the Platte River -- which is also flooding. Workers at Cooper have constructed barriers and stockpiled fuel for the plant's three diesel generators while, like their colleagues at Fort Calhoun, they wait for the inevitable...."

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    • 11 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • All of America's enemies are winning, albeit remotely through these many disasters. Citizens in the South being poisoned in the very AIR THEY BREATHE, Citizens in the West being poisoned by the VERY AIR THEY BREATHE, now when the MidWest nuclear plants go up IN THE HEARTLAND & BREADBASKET OF AMERICA LOCATION WE ALL TAKE THE HIT HERE IN THE EASTERN SEABOARD STATES, carried to us by wind and rain.

      Jesus sees it all and is preparing to take action => http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060715/article_02.htm#_KingdomComeThyWillBeDone_on...

      How can we know that time is near? OK, this past week when young Congressman Weiner fell to the earth (resumed being one of us commoners) he fell SO FAST IT WAS LIKE BEING SHAKEN FROM A TREE => read Revelation 6 v 13, he fell like an "unripe fig" because his political career had been deprived of RRIPENING.

      Verse 14 gets even better friends! It says "heaven departs as a scroll". haha What can that POSSIBLY mean? OK, in the Bible the word "heaven" has several different meanings one though means the immediate airspace above us where birds fly as mentioned in the Genesis Creation account? Or was it Noah? Anyway, here's what it likely means. When I was young way back long ago homes did not yet have Venetian blinds! Instead they had shades that rolled up to the top on a scroll bar. It was spring-loaded.

      So we kids found out if you pulled the shade down real fast then let go it would go all the way up FRAP~FRAP~FRAP~FRAP. So when it did that the room would suddenly be FILLED WITH SUNLIGHT. John was telling us there that after the politicians "fell like stars" (v . 12) very soon behind them, and especially Young Weiner, we're going to get hit with a BLAST OF LIGHT.

      The word "Light" can mean many things besides just sunlight. My posting and explaining the scriptures could be considered that blast, or we could say last week's gamma burst that almost struck the planet was that "sign" too. However, in considering Bible statements & prophecy we need to tie in what John wrote to what John already knew => JESUS SAID "I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD".

      I expect Jesus to surround this planet with legions of very bright angels and it isn't going to be any 2025 either. If you research the times angels appeared to people in the NT especially you'll notice their "garments were like lightning". Needless to say this will instill great Fear, but the Good News is that Chapter 7 of Revelation comes shortly after, and it tells of a "Great Crowd" who have been saved though the day of fury, aka Armageddon.

      If you have done your best to "get right with God" and are not willfully hurting people, nor willfully strangling your customers for mone & more money causing them to be not feeding their children correctly, then the words of Zephaniah 2 v 3 may just apply to you!

      Get on the stick, board the train, next stop => earthly Paradise! Psalm 37:10, 11, 29 and also Revelation 21 v 1-4. It's the only train that matters now. Jesus will see your heart whether you have my amount of knowledge or not, it's YOUR HEART INTERESTS HIM MOST.

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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    • What happened is that nothing flagged that the penetration that was installed for fire fighting would be a potential leak during a flood. I would say their should have been an inspection of that penetration sense it could leak and flood the space. Sounds like someone tried to save some money and time.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • http://news.lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/2011/06/fort-calhoun-nuclear-power-plant-s...

      The above URL goes to the NRC's report onFort Calhoun's when the NRC did post-Fukushima inspections of all NPPs in the U.S.

      After reading over this a few times, I'm still not sure about a couple of things: were these leakage problems fixed before the fire in June 2011? ("Event date" on the report is in February 2011, "Report Date" is 5/16/2011).

      Were these leaks in the basement, into the electrical guts of the plant?

      Was the fire caused by shorting out of the electrical workings because water leaked on them--because the leaks identified by the NRC were not fixed?

      Page 1, "ABSTRACT: During identification and evaluation of flood barriers, unsealed through wall penetrations in the outside wall of the intake, auxiliary and chemistry and radiation protection buildings were identified that are below the licensing basis flood elevation.
      A summary of the root causes included: a weak procedure revision process; insufficient oversight of work activities associated with external flood matters; ineffective identification, evaluation and resolution of performance
      deficiencies related to external flooding; and “safe as is” mindsets relative to external flooding events.
      The penetrations were temporarily sealed and a configuration change was developed and implemented whereby permanent seals were installed. Comprehensive corrective actions to address the root and contributing causes
      are being addressed through the corrective action program."

      Page 2, BACKGROUND: "BACKGROUND
      As a result of a Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) inspection conducted from January 1 to June 21, 2010, the NRC determined that Fort Calhoun Station (FCS) did not have adequate procedures toprotect the intake structure and auxiliary building against external flooding events. Specifically, contrary to Technical Specification 5.8.1.a, the station failed to maintain procedures for combating a significant flood as recommended by Regulatory Guide 1.33, Appendix A, section 6.w, “Acts of Nature.” The NRC identified the following violation of NRC requirements associated with a yellow significance
      determination process finding in the mitigating systems cornerstone in inspection report 05000285/2010008 dated October 6, 2010:...."

      The document goes on with the specifics of the problems the NRC found.

      Then it goes to the "narrative":

      "Page 4, NARRATIVE: EVENT DESCRIPTION
      During identification and evaluation of flood barriers (condition report (CR) 2010-2387), in response to NRC findings previously noted, unsealed through wall penetrations in the intake structure were identified that are below the licensing basis flood elevation. These penetrations were installed during
      the installation of upgrades to the plant fire protection system. As a result of the penetrations not being sealed, the intake structure was vulnerable to water inflow during an extreme flooding event. This inflow had the potential to affect the operability of both trains of safety related raw water pumps
      (ultimate heat sink).
      On February 4, 2011, an eight (8) hour report was made under 10 CFR 50.72 (b)(3)(v)(D) to the NRC Headquarters Operation Office (HOO) at 1717 CST (Event Number (EN) 46594). The report should have been made on September 9, 2009. (Documented in Condition Report (CR) 2011-0801) During the extent of cause analysis for this issue the following penetrations were identified as not having been reported. In addition, the extent of cause evaluation identified the following unsealed penetrations:....

      If anyone has insight into this LER, I'd appreciate any clarification. Thanks!

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • [[The spent fuel pool is located is in the brown building (where the yellow arrow points) next to (to the right of) the cylindrical white reactor containment building, and is 30' above the Fort Calhoun site itself.]]

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      Many thanks to OldBanjo for sending this article my way. He was the original poster who I saw posting about this subject, and provided me the incentive to start tracking the story.

      Regarding the article posted, below ("NRC: No flood danger at reactor," http://www.omaha.com/article/20110617/NEWS01/706179913)....

      The last two paragraphs of the article are a little unnerving:

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      "Earlier this week, the river stood at 1,005.6 feet elevation, Remus said, and has been mostly unchanged since then. The corps' projections place the river crest this summer, barring extraordinary rains, between roughly 1,006 and 1,008 feet.
      Burke said OPPD's flood barriers would protect the plant to 1,010 to 1,012 feet elevation. The reactor itself is in a watertight container and the spent fuel pool is at 1,038.5 feet elevation."

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      The river was at 1005.6' last week. It is currently at 1006+'. The barriers--if they hold--will protect to between 1010 to 1012' elevation, another 4 to 6' river rise. The reactor is not located 30' above the river; it is located at the same level as the rest of the buildings on site.

      The rubber water-filled tube is 8' in height. That means that, if they will protect the plant to between 1010 to 1012' elevation, the plant must sit at about 1002 to 1004' elevation, no?

      So, if the river was at 1005.6' last week, and is currently >1006+', the water is already 2' to 4' above the elevation of the Fort Calhoun NPP, no? Please, correct me if I am wrong on my cipherization.

      There are reports of the basement leaking. The basement is where the guts of the electrical works sit.

      How much is the basement leaking now?

      The following are other concerns I have about this article.

      1. The rubber, water-filled tube that is part of the flooding protection...rubber can get punctured, no? Flooded rivers have lots of objects, some of them pointed, no? If one of the dams in SD burst, that would make things worse, no? I don't think this rubber tube deal is a good idea. As a reminder, there are 840 metric tons of highly reactive fuel stored at Fort Calhoun. If the best idea they can come up with to protect the NPP is a rubber tube filled with water, then NPPs should not be built next to bodies of water with the potential to flood.

      2. Just because the building hold the spent fuel and its pool is now 30' above the rest of the Ft. Calhoun site, that doesn't mean that it will remain at that elevation if flooding reaches the point of eroding its substructure. When I lived on Rattlesnake Creek in Santa Barbra, I watched a seasonal creek erode 1/2 acre of property in less than 30 minutes. The creek bank was about 20' high, and our house was on top of the bank. The creek--which was a very small creek normally--chewed through that 20' bank like it was cotton candy.

      3. This article says Ft. Calhoun is 20 miles north of Omaha. This would mean it is on the Missouri River ABOVE Omaha. If contaminated cooling water or spent rods that get washed out of the pool by flooding, at least part of it would end up in Omaha.

      4. Ft. Calhoun continues to be one of the NRC's most tightly monitored plant secondary to events that happened before the flooding.

      5. NRC has taken the "unusual step" of sending more inspectors and a "branch chief" to Fort Calhoun.

      6. OPPD has sent additional boats, food and water to the plant.

      7. The plant has trucked in more fuel oil for the back-up generators, which, the article says, gives them 4 weeks of power. They are arranging for other sources of fuel oil. My question--this flooding is suspected to continue to rise, and stay until at least mid-summer. If the access roads to the plant are flooded, how is the fuel supposed to be delivered? I don't see any docking facilities on the river appropriate for docking a fuel ship. Would they even let such a ship on the river considering the flooding and the instability of the river and its levees?

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • The following is an article from yesterday, from the Omaha.com website. I will post issues with it in the next post.

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      Published Friday June 17, 2011

      http://www.omaha.com/article/20110617/NEWS01/706179913

      NRC: No flood danger at reactor
      • By Nancy Gaarder
      Fort Calhoun nuclear reactor surrounded by water and the weeks of flooding that lie ahead, the plant is in a safe cold shutdown and can remain so indefinitely, the reactor's owners and federal regulators say.
      “We think they've taken adequate steps to protect the plant and to assure continued safety,” Victor Dricks, spokesman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, said Thursday.
      Tim Burke, vice president at Omaha Public Power District, said the plant's flood barriers are being built to a level that will protect against rain and the release of record amounts of water from upstream dams on the Missouri River.
      “We don't see any concerns around the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Station,” Burke said at a briefing in Omaha Mayor Jim Suttle's office.
      The nuclear plant, 20 miles north of Omaha, was shut down April 9 for refueling. It has not been restarted because of the imminent flooding.
      Cooper Nuclear Station, which is about 70 miles south of Omaha near Brownville, Neb., continues to operate even as it makes similar flood protections. Cooper is owned by Nebraska Public Power District. The river would have to rise about 6 feet higher for the plant to go into a cold shutdown.
      Time has been on Fort Calhoun's side, said David Lochbaum, director of nuclear safety at the Union of Concerned Scientists. The group is a leading watchdog of the nuclear industry.
      Lochbaum is among the handful of outside experts whom Congress taps for perspective on nuclear problems, including the crisis caused by the March earthquake and tsunami in Japan.
      At the Fukushima Daiichi plant, operators had less than an hour to react to the quake before the tsunami hit, Lochbaum said. Fort Calhoun has had weeks to ready itself for flooding.
      “That's not enough time to relocate a nuclear plant to higher ground or jack it up on stilts,” he said, “but it is plenty of time to check to ensure that watertight doors are intact, backup power supplies are available and functional, fuel oil tanks are topped off, etc.”
      That is what OPPD has been doing.
      However, other problems at the plant and some of the flood precautions themselves have unnerved people:
      >>A fire at the outset of flooding temporarily disrupted power to the spent fuel pool.
      >>The nuclear station shifted to an alert status.
      >>Flights over the plant have been restricted.
      >>Fort Calhoun was and continues to be one of the NRC's most tightly monitored plants because of problems it had before the flooding.
      Dricks said the NRC has taken the unusual step of sending more inspectors and a branch chief to Fort Calhoun. A branch chief is a top regional regulator. In this case, it's the individual responsible for overseeing Fort Calhoun inspections and compliance.
      Also, OPPD is bringing in additional boats, food and water for employees, which is not a cause for alarm, Dricks said.
      “It's called prudence.”
      Perhaps it's just as well that Fort Calhoun got into trouble last year with federal regulators over flood preparedness. During routine inspections in June 2010, the NRC concluded that deteriorating conditions during catastrophic flooding could make sandbagging near the river difficult.
      Regulators required OPPD to improve flood defenses and signaled in April that those improvements were taking the plant in the right direction.
      At that time, the plant was putting the finishing touches on the improvements, and utility officials were hopeful that this would be the month that the federal agency signed off on Fort Calhoun's flood upgrades.
      Instead, the nuclear plant is in an all-out battle with the river.
      In May, OPPD learned from the Army Corps of Engineers of the imminent flooding.
      Since then, the utility has taken a number of steps that Dricks said have given federal regulators confidence in OPPD's ability to endure what will be a summer of flooding:
      >>Installing an approximately 8-foot-tall, 16-foot-wide water-filled tubular rubber dam. The dam encircles the reactor building, like a black snake, and holds the floodwaters at bay.
      >>Building an earthen berm around the switchyard, and other berms or sandbag walls around other electrical structures. Protecting the structures allows continued electrical power to the plant.
      >>Trucking in two more fuel oil tanks that will supplement those on site and provide a total of four weeks' fuel for the backup diesel generators. The plant is developing plans for additional supplies of fuel.
      In addition, the plant's backup batteries can provide power for eight hours, Dricks said. The plant's daily source of electricity is brought in from outside via transmission lines. The plant has six power lines coming into the plant, and any one of those is sufficient to run it.
      >>Ordering six additional boats.
      The plant began sandbagging on the weekend of May 21, according to the utility.
      On June 6, the plant issued to federal regulators a “Notification of Unusual Event” because the river was projected to reach a flood level that would prevent the plant from operating. This type of notification is the least serious of four emergency classifications.
      On June 7, a fire occurred that caused an interruption of power to the spent fuel pool. As a result, the plant was unable to continue active cooling of that pool. According to OPPD, power was out 90 minutes.
      Within minutes after the start of the fire, the utility issued an “Alert,” the second-lowest of the four levels of emergencies.
      Both the NRC and OPPD agree that the disruption of power was not a threat to public safety. Calculations indicate that the plant's spent fuel pool could have gone 83 hours without power before the water in it would have begun boiling, Dricks said.
      Lochbaum said that once again, time was on OPPD's side. The time cushion offered the utility the “luxury” of choosing a solution to the problems created by the fire, Lochbaum said.
      Elizabeth Ishan Cory, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said the flight restrictions at Fort Calhoun are intended to keep curiosity seekers out of the immediate vicinity. Planes can still fly near the plant if they have flight plans and are in contact with air traffic controllers. Smaller aircraft are restricted in how close they can get to the plant.
      Otherwise, there's a risk of midair collisions that could jeopardize operations on the ground.
      “When you keep the area above the ground safe, you're going to keep the people on the ground safe, too,” Cory said.
      John Remus of the Corps of Engineers said the river level at Fort Calhoun had yet to reflect the full release of water from Gavins Point Dam.
      When that happens, and given normal rainfall, the river level at the plant will most likely rise about 6 inches higher than it has been for much of this week, he said. Should higher-than-normal rainfall occur this summer, the river might rise 2.5 feet higher than it currently is, he said.
      River levels and other flood measurements at the plant are made in terms of feet above sea level.
      Earlier this week, the river stood at 1,005.6 feet elevation, Remus said, and has been mostly unchanged since then. The corps' projections place the river crest this summer, barring extraordinary rains, between roughly 1,006 and 1,008 feet.
      Burke said OPPD's flood barriers would protect the plant to 1,010 to 1,012 feet elevation. The reactor itself is in a watertight container and the spent fuel pool is at 1,038.5 feet elevation.

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    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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    • The Rod Pool is at 1038.5 feet, that is 33 feet higher than the water is right now, also they have a rubber bladder 8 feet tall and 16 feet wide around everything. If you look at the picture you can see the bladder it is black and circles the plant. Someone asked what the black ball on the left side of the picture is, it's a tree.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • oldbanjo
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      Either that picture had the wrong date are someone has been lying. Your right it's not in that first picture. Where did the bladder come from. It took a lot of equip and personal to install it, maybe with Military help. Remember it is a no fly zone. The bladder was there on the 10th of June. Look at the picture before the map of the no fly zone the date on this picture is the 10th and it looks like that bladder had just been installed and may not have been completely filled on the right side of the building. Looks like they just beat the flood, too close for comfort in my opinion.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • oldbanjo
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      From what I'm reading the water is at 1005' 7", the Rod Pool is at 1038' 6". The water will have to rise 33 feet before there is a problem. I'm sure there will be Power problems long before the water reaches that height. These small leaks at the building will be big leaks, water pressure at 33 feet is 14.7 pounds then you have a lot of additional force due to the velocity of the water. At that height we will have a Fukushima already happening but it may take a while because there would be some cooling by the River.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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      PoliticalAmazon  
    • Another interesting article--makes the point that, the spent rods have the potential of being swept, by the flooding, out of the pools in which they are stored.

      Article also says that there are already leaks at Ft. Calhoun--and explains.

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      http://visionsgreen.com/2011/06/ft-calhoun-cooper-nuclear-plants-flooded/

      Ft. Calhoun & Cooper Nuclear Plants Flooded
      June 17, 2011 No Comments
      Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant: How Bad Can It Get? Really Bad!
      By Tom Burnett

      Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant, NE Radiation, at minimum in the form of tritium, and more likely other particles and radionuclides, are leaking into the Missouri River from the Fort Calhoun nuclear generation plant in Nebraska.

      I do not have proof. What I do have is the knowledge that every reactor is susceptible to small leaks at any time. Typically they are undiscovered and thus unreported – they are a few drops here and a few drops there from an improper weld or a stressed fitting – maybe the last one of the day before pau-hana time. And he intended to check it later, but never did. New baby, vacation, other things to think about. So thirty years later there are a couple gallons of it sitting under a pipe somewhere, not visible from the inspection point – and hey, this is all sealed up anyway….except for that pesky water leak the NRC is upset about…but a little water can’t hurt….

      Until the plant gets submerged — or nearly so by a fast-running river which doesn’t cover the top (yet) but sure washes out all the leaky lines and the incomplete repair jobs which we didn’t care much about at the time because the river would never go that high.

      So we are all standing on top of the buildings watching water pour in one side and out the other. Sandbags are sandbags. One million gallons of water a second washes sandbags away and all the cute little plastic pipes full of water – supported by sandbags and chain and not designed to hold 8 million pounds of water a second. Tomorrow it might be 150 million gallons of water a minute. If the dams hold. But we all know they aren’t going to — they are are right at the top of the US DAM potential failure list. The ‘domino’ dams.

      Let’s skip that. At least we know why there is a no-fly zone around the plant. Workers are being brought in by helicopter and boat — to the roof and to SECOND STORY windows — maybe third story by tomorrow.

      So….it’s a sand castle and the tide is coming in. Once the water washes out the underpinnings, the whole thing may happily slosh downstream until it hits the next one…

      Is that all? Not hardly.

      The Cooper nuclear plant can’t discharge sludge and it’s partially submerged just like Fort Calhoun. We don’t require any special knowledge to grasp what is going on. The plants have windows and doors and control rooms and pumps and heat exchangers and expended fuel pools. And they are all going underwater – but not like Fukushima where the water washed in and washed out. This is just going to get worse through August.

      But it isn’t all bad. The Missouri river is cold enough to keep the pools and cores cool all by itself. And it’s also powerful to pull the fuel out and irradiate half the country.

      And about that time, the hemp ropes are gonna come out.

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    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • PoliticalAmazon
    • +1
      PoliticalAmazon  
    • Three issues raised in the People's Voice article (url, below)

      1. Cooper NPP became unable to "discharge sludge into the Missouri River due to flooding....overtopped its sludge pond." Anyone know what this means?

      2. Ft. Calhoun not only stores its own "spent" fuel, but it stores the "spent" fuel for the entire state of Nebraska, and maybe more states than that. They are stored in ground-level pools. In 2010, Nebraska stored 840 metric tons of "spent" fuel rods.

      3. Reminder to remember GMO seed washign south to contaminate natural fields.

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      From "The People's Voice," 5/16/2011
      (http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2011/06/16/midwest-floods-both-ne...)

      1. "On June 9, Nebraska’s other plant, Cooper Nuclear Power Station near Brownville, filed a Notice of Unusual Event (NOUE), advising it is unable to discharge sludge into the Missouri River due to flooding, and therefore “overtopped” its sludge pond.".........

      2. “Ft. Calhoun is the designated spent fuel storage facility for the entire state of Nebraska…and maybe for more than one state. Calhoun stores its spent fuel in ground-level pools which are underwater anyway – but they are open at the top. When the Missouri river pours in there, it’s going to make Fukushima look like an x-ray.”
      In 2010, Nebraska stored 840 metric tons of the highly radioactive spent fuel rods, reports the Nuclear Energy Institute. That's one-tenth of what Illinois stores (8,440 MT), and less than Louisiana (1,210) and Minnesota (1,160). But it's more than other flood-threatened states like Missouri (650) and Iowa (420).".........

      3. "And let's not forget all that genetically modified seed washing south to contaminate natural fields.".........

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    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • http://www.fairewinds.com/content/fukushima-groundwater-contamination-worst-nucl...

      In this video/article of 5/6/2011, Dr. Gunderson discusses the possible contamination of groundwater in one Fukushima perfecture town they are reporting radioactivity in the sewage sludge.

      However, a report from another source (ABC News-AM, http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3244096.htm) 2 days ago relates the following:

      "High levels of radioactive caesium have been found in sewage sludge in treatment plants in 16 prefectures.
      It's believed rain soaked soil contaminated with radiation was washed into sewage lines and facilities during this wet season. The contamination's then settled in the sludge.
      The sludge is usually incinerated and the ash used in materials like cement, but no-one wants it now so piles of radioactive sludge are growing around the country...."

      I don't know what types of wastewater treatment plants are in operation in Japan. I know some about some of the types operated in the U.S.

      In the U.S., WWT plants, in addition to residential sewer contents, also are reservoirs for the runoff that makes it to storm drains (if the community doesn't just let the runoff from the streets flow into local bodies of water). So, from the quote, above, that makes sense.

      I'm not quite sure how they get to sludge so quickly, except the johkasou sludge, which appears to come from what we call in the U.S. "compostable toilets."

      Anyway, the issue is that now, in 16 prefectures, they've recorded radioactive sludge. Sewage sludge usually has a high concentration of heavy metals, anyway. From reviewing some of the WWT plants in Japan, they seem to be either secondary- or tertiary-level treatment (going by U.S. standards).

      In secondary systems, usually it takes a long time to accumulate enough sludge to have to get it trucked away. Apparently, this is not the case in Japan.

      They are having issues with what to do with the sludge now since the previous disposal process (having it trucked to plants where it is turned into ash and then made into concrete bricks--oy vay, the energy used for that process must be A LOT).

      A small percentage of sludge is dumped into the ocean. I hope Japan doesn't decide to use the ocean as the answer for its need to dispose of sewage sludge.

      Also, most WWT plants who serve residential areas also serve commercial and industrial businesses, as well as hospitals, so that mix was already in the sludge.

      Anyawy, just another thing to think of as being a potential problem if Ft. Calhoun goes south on us.

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • Littlewolf
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • oldbanjo
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • wolfess
  • ArchDruid
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • wolfess:

      Yes, there are definitely differences. I'm not sure about the white cylinder--the pictures were taken from different angles. I couldn't find pictures demonstrating "days" interval of time taken from the same angle.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • ArchDruid:

      I just found out that not only is Fort Calhoun's spent rods stored (at ground level) onsite, but ALL of Nebraska's spent rods, and perhaps spent rods from other states, too. In 2010, Fort Calhoun stored 840 metric tons of spent fuel rods on site. At ground level.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • ArchDruid:

      See the black ball in the lower left corner of the 1-day-ago-picture. Am I seeing this right--it wasn't on the 6-days-ago-picture?

      I'm not the best at comparing pictures if I have to adjust for different perspectives....

    • 11 months ago
  • treewolf39
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • http://leroymoore.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/fact-sheet-risk-from-plutonium-in-the...

      [NOTE: The image that accompanies this fact sheet is the same one as posted previously]
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      Plutonium fact sheet

      • Long-term danger: Plutonium 239, the material of principal concern at Rocky Flats, has a half-life of 24,110 years. It remains dangerously radioactive for more than a quarter-of-a-million years. Tiny particles left in the environment pose an essentially permanent danger.

      • Lethal quality of internalized plutonium: The alpha radiation emitted by plutonium cannot penetrate skin like gamma radiation or x-rays. But tiny particles inhaled, ingested, or taken into the body through an open wound may lodge in the lungs or migrate to the liver or to the surface or marrow of bone. For as long as it resides in the body it continues to bombard surrounding tissue with radiation. The result may be cancer, genetic defects, harm to the immune system. The latent period for cancer is likely to be 20 to 30 years.

      • Plutonium particle in lung tissue: “The black star in the middle of this picture shows the tracks made by alpha rays emitted from a particle of plutonium-239 in the lung tissue of an ape. The alpha rays do not travel very far, but once inside the body, they can penetrate more than 10,000 cells within their range. This set of alpha tracks (magnified 500 times) occurred over a 48-hour period” (Robert Del Tredici, At Work in the Fields of the Bomb [1987], plate 39).

      • Dangerous in very small amounts: Plutonium particles of 10 or less microns can be inhaled. The average diameter of human hair is about 50 microns. Meteorologist W. Gale Biggs concluded that most airborne particles at Rocky Flats were probably smaller than 0.01 microns (“Emissions and Monitoring of Plutonium from Rocky Flats,” April 26, 2007).

      • More harmful than other forms of radiation: Internal alpha emitters like plutonium are much more harmful per unit dose than penetrating gamma or x-ray radiation. To account for the difference, the International Commission on Radiological Protection refers to the “relative biological effectiveness” (RBE) of alpha emitters. Looking at the potential harm to different organs and for different disease end-points, ICRP concludes that the average RBE for alpha emitters is 20. This means that, on average, internal alpha emitters are 20 times more harmful than penetrating radiation of the same dose. But because 20 is an average, for some body organs and certain cancers as well as for particular individuals the actual RBE can be higher, sometimes much higher. For example, the RBE for bone cancer ranges as high as 320. (On RBE for plutonium, see Helen A. Grogan et al, Assessing Risk of Exposure to Plutonium, Feb. 2000 [Risk Assessment Corporation], pp. 6.27-6.39)

      • Incautious approach used in setting Rocky Flats cleanup standards: Those who set the cleanup standards for Rocky Flats followed the ICRP in using 20 as the RBE for plutonium. This averaging approach disregards the harm that may result from plutonium exposure to certain organs of the body or to given individuals; it does not protect the most vulnerable members of the population. The Rocky Flats Cleanup Agreement allows 50 picocuries of plutonium per gram of soil to remain in surface soil after “cleanup,” much larger quantities of plutonium at levels below three feet. Doubling the plutonium RBE to 40 would reduce the 50 picocuries allowed in surface soil to 25; each RBE doubling would reduce by half the amount of plutonium allowed in the surface soil.

      • Potential harm to the human gene pool: A British research team concluded that the RBE for chromosomal damage from plutonium exposure is essentially “infinite,” because the extent of harm to the human gene pool is incalculable (M. A. Khadim et al, Nature, vol. 355, no. 20 [Feb. 1992], pp. 738-740). The resultant “genomic instability” may account for illnesses other than cancer, illnesses so elusive that epidemiology is “powerless” to detect any relationship between their incidence and exposure to radiation (Rob Edwards, New Scientist, vol. 11, Oct. 1997, pp. 37-40).

      • Harm from a single particle: Tom K. Hei and colleagues at Columbia University demonstrated that a single plutonium alpha particle induces mutations in mammal cells. Cells receiving very low doses were more likely to be damaged than destroyed. Replication of these damaged cells constitutes genetic harm, and more such harm per unit dose occurs at very low doses than would occur with higher dose exposures. “These data provide direct evidence that a single alpha particle traversing a nucleus will have a high probability of resulting in a mutation and highlight the need for radiation protection at low doses.” In a follow-up study, they found that “a single alpha particle can induce mutations and chromosome aberrations in [adjacent] cells that received no direct radiation exposure to their DNA” (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol. 94 [Apr. 1997], pp. 3765-3770; and vol. 98 [4 Dec. 2001], pp. 14410-14415).

      • Current radiation standards inadequate: The Committee Examining Radiation Risks of Internal Emitters, consisting of British government and independent scientists, concluded in 2004 that cancer risk from very low-doses of plutonium may be ten or more times more dangerous than allowed for by existing exposure standards. Among other adverse effects, the cellular descendants of seemingly unharmed exposed cells can suffer delayed damage (http://www.cerrie.org/).

      • Excess cancers among Rocky Flats workers exposed to purportedly safe levels: In 1987 Gregg S. Wilkinson of DOE’s Los Alamos Lab published results of his study showing that some exposed Rocky Flats workers with internal plutonium deposits as low as 5% of DOE’s purportedly safe permissible lifetime body burden developed a variety of cancers in excess of what was normal for workers who had not been exposed (American Journal of Epidemiology, vol. 125, no. 2 [1987], pp. 231-250).

      • “Genetic uncertainty problem” for wildlife: Genetic specialist Diethard Tautz says that effects of radiation exposure on a given species of wildlife may not be readily apparent in individuals of that species until the passage of several generations. He calls this a “genetic uncertainty problem” (Trends in Genetics, vol. 16 [Nov. 2000], pp. 475-477). This finding suggests that wildlife at Rocky Flats could in the long-term be hurt by conditions at the site.

      • All the Rocky Flats site contaminated: Historically, while some areas at Rocky Flats were more heavily contaminated than others, plutonium particles released in fires, accidents, and routine operations were laid down across the whole of the site. This conclusion is supported by soil sampling done at predominantly upwind locations by F. Ward Whicker of Colorado State University and Harvey Nichols of the University of Colorado.

      • Extent of contamination unknown, cleanup inadequate: The government agencies responsible for cleanup of Rocky Flats never thoroughly “characterized” the Rocky Flats site to determine the full extent of contamination in the environment. They knowingly did not clean the site to the maximum extent possible. An unknown quantity of plutonium and other toxins remain in the environment.

      • Harmful form of plutonium left behind: Plutonium left in the Rocky Flats environment is in the form of very fine particles that can be inhaled or ingested. Buried plutonium can be brought to the surface most especially by the actions of burrowing animals that dig down to as much as 16 to 20 feet below the surface and are constantly moving soil and its contents. Plutonium particles brought to the surface can be picked up by wind and moved to other locations near and far. There is no guarantee that plutonium left in the Rocky Flats environment will remain safely in place or even on the site.

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    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • Image
    • The accompanying ape-tissue image is what Dr. Gunderson was talking about in his video: a 1-micron particle of plutonium which had been in the ape's lung for 48 HOURS. It shows the alpha tracks from the plutonium.
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      CAPTION:
      Plutonium in Lung Tissue: The dark, star-like image in this photograph (magnified 500 times) shows tracks from alpha particles radiating front a speck of plutonium lodged in the lung tissue of an ape. Alpha radiation from plutonium and other alpha-emitting radionuclides can be blocked by skin or even a piece of paper but it is the most biologically destructive form of ionizing radiation when the alpha-emitting substance is deposited in the soft tissue of internal organs like the lung. The alpha tracks shown above were captured over a two-day period. Lawrence Radiation Laboratory, Berkeley California, September 1982

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    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • http://vimeo.com/25002205

      This is a link to Arnie Gunderson's discussion about the hot particles from Fukushima D which are being inhaled and swallowed by the peeps in Seattle.

      Here's a short summary. TEPCO underestimated the amount of radiation released in the first week after the tsunami. It turned out to be about twice as much as has been released since the event began--not just the first week.

      Much of the additional radiation not reported are "hot particles." In the first week of April, in Tokyo people were taking in, on average, 10 hot particles per day. In the area surrounding Fukushima, about 300 to 400 hot particles per day. In Seattle, Washington, about 5 hot particles a day.

      The hot particles are a micron or less in size, and people inhale them, or swallow them. They deposit in the person's lungs, intestines, bones and muscles. They cause continual damage in the tissue directly surrounding the particle itself. Over years, for instance, in the lungs, cancer may or may not result, but there are other diseases that may--COPD, emphysema, decreased lung capacity due to scarring, etc.

      Also, some people in Japan, immediately following the Fukushima D explosion, reported having a metallic taste in their mouth. This same phenomenon was reported by people in the surrounding areas of 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl when their respective reactors released contaminated material. In addition, some people who undergo radiation therapy for cancer report a metallic taste.

      Gunderson's website is full of great stuff. Here's a URL (http://vimeo.com/24803980) for Gunderson's interview with CNN.

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Many States have shortages of drinking water today, the last thing that the US can stand would be to contaminate several States drinking water. Japan may have done that to their Island.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • oldbanjo:

      I don't know how it would work with the water in the river. I would estimate that, as long as the river is flowing fast enough to keep the contamination suspended, it will flush the contamination out (assuming it is a one-time event of contamination, and not a chronic condition) to the point where the flow slows down sufficiently for the contamination to precipitate out--like the Gulf of Mexico.

      Where ever it participates out, it will probably sink to the mud--which means fish that feed on the bottom will be toast.

      I don't know about fish that don't feed at the bottom, if they are in a large and deep body of water. Of course, any disturbance of the mud will stir up whatever has settled into it.

      The problem will be that, as the flood waters recede, they will leave behind contamination.

      The soil is a big problem. Americans have not been very good about soil conservation, so our top-soil, the fertile part, in many areas is not nearly as good as it was to begin with. Plus, because of dams, there aren't as many floods, so new top-soil and silt is not replenishing the farming-depleted topsoil.

      Topsoil takes a very long time to form.

      We are fukushimaed but good if Fort Calhoun floods. It leaks, right into the guts of the electrical system, which is--how stupid can they be?--in the basement.

    • 11 months ago
  • aj727b
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      aj727b  
    • They build them in flood zones because they need massive water supplies for cooling in normal operation (or as we have seen in Japan, even MORE water in emergency situations). I don't mean that this is okay or good, just that this is why they are on lakes, oceans, and rivers... it is just one more reason among many why nuclear power is a very bad idea. The real question is why the hell we continue to believe the economic mythology, safety mythology, and the new "green" mythology of the nuclear energy pushers? At least some formerly pro-nuke countries are starting to see the truth.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • aj727b:

      AJ, do you know why they don't pipe water from a water source to an inland plant? I assume it is the costs involved, but when you consider the long-term costs of a plant situated on a river, like Fort Calhoun, going kerflooey, the price can't be all that bad, no?

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • Check out the dates of the fire at Fort Calhoun (6/7/2011) and the date the FAA issued the no-fly-zone directive (6/6/2011). The directive specifically lists the danger as being the Ft. Calhoun NPP.

      I wonder when the fire actually occured...

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      http://www.businessinsider.com/faa-closes-airspace-over-flooded-nebraska-nuclear...

      Airspace Over Flooded Nebraska Nuclear Power Plant Still Closed

      Ricky Kreitner | Jun. 15, 2011, 4:02 PM | 24,000 | 43

      A fire in Nebraska's Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant briefly knocked out the cooling process for spent nuclear fuel rods, ProPublica reports.
      The fire occurred on June 7th, and knocked out cooling for approximately 90 minutes. After 88 hours, the cooling pool would boil dry and highly radioactive materials would be exposed.
      On June 6th, the Federal Administration Aviation (FAA) issued a directive banning aircraft from entering the airspace within a two-mile radius of the plant.
      "No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM," referring to the "notice to airmen," effective immediately.
      Since last week, the plant has been under a "notification of unusual event" classification, becausing of the rising Missouri River. That is the lowest level of emergency alert.
      The OPPD claims the FAA closed airspace over the plant because of the Missouri River flooding. But the FAA ban specifically lists the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant as the location for the flight ban......

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    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
    • +1
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    • This is the first part of an interview by Pacifica Radio (New York) of Arnie Gunderson, a Nuclear Engineer (his website is www.fairewinds.org).

      There is some remarkable information in this video. The interviewer, Knight, has Gunderson walk through the NRC's blow-by-blow incident log, about the fire in the basement switch room which led to the "spent" rod cooling incident, to explain the significance of each thing that happened.

      Here are some highlights:

      ***Fort Calhoun LEAKS, A LOT, and in critical places, like in the basement (where the electrical guts are housed--how stupid can they be?). Gunderson said that another 1 to 2' of water rise and Ft. Calhoun will suffer a lot of damage, like being unable to run operations such as--oh, cooling the "spent" rods. The newscaster said (NOAA?) has advised them that there will be another 5' of water rise by summer.

      ***Gunderson said using sand-bags to protect a NPP, with its advanced technology, is not a good idea.

      ***Gunderson sounds very, very concerned about the dams. He says if one dam breaks, there will very likely be a Fukushima at Fort Calhoun because one dam breaking will put pressure on the other dams (they are "all in a row," like a line of electrical resisters). However, even if only on dam goes, they are all so full that it will create a "land-bound tsunami."

      ***Gunderson reminded the listeners that "spent rods" does not mean the rods are like a tree limb or something. They are still plenty hot, and must be cooled for years after they are replaced by new rods in the reactor. This is evidenced by the melting of Fukushima's rods to big lumps of very, very heavy, radioactive metal material.

      ***When coolant water is not provided (i.e., as with Fort Calhoun), it takes just a day or two for the water to be boiled off and then you have BIG problems (as we saw at Fukushima D.

      ***The steam produced in the boiling off of this water is very bad for electrical wiring and circuitry, fuses, etc.

      ***The fire in the basement was very large, and cut staff off from about half of the plant.

      ***Here's the really creepy part (conspiracy theorists, go get your popcorn now):

      ***During the fire/no-cooling incident, despite the specific protocol for such an event, the local fire department was called, but NOT THE PLANT WORKERS. The plant workers should have been paged immediately.

      ***Apparently there is a protocol that is stuck right on the wall or console or whatever in the NPP's control room. Not only would there have been at least one person constantly monitoring the protocol, minute by minute, to ensure it was being handling as per protocol...there was a NRC engineer there monitoring the plant (because of previous fire and interruption of cooling of the "spent" rod pool), who ALSO would have been monitoring the protocol, minute by minute.

      Yet the workers were not called in. The workers are mystified. Mr. Gunderson is mystified. The reason is the problem wasn't just the fire...it was dealing with the protection of stuff they didn't want damaged in the firefighting AND dealing with the problems, after the fire was put out, that the fire had caused.

      There likely would not have been enough workers there to deal with the aftermath of such a large fire, especially one that caused the cooling of the "spent" rod pool to stop.

      There's a reason the plant's protocol monitor and the NRC's monitor monitoring the plant's protocol didn't ensure the workers were paged to come in. The question is: why?

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • oldbanjo
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      When I first heard this about the no fly zone I was thinking it was to clear the airspace, for their own use if required. In Nuclear operations you never miss a step (NEVER). We've shut down tests for days because a paragraph or a page was numbered wrong. Then before you could start back to work a blank page would be added stating that the page was intentially left blank.

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • oldbanjo:

      OB, I asked AJ this question, but I'll ask you, too:

      Do you know why they don't pipe water from a water source to an inland plant? I assume it is the costs involved, but when you consider the long-term costs of a plant situated on a river, like Fort Calhoun, going kerflooey, the price can't be all that bad, no?

      I have another question for you: I have limited experience working at one NPP, but I got the very strong impression while I worked there that nuclear engineers are pretty much treated as gods.

      Is this your impression, too?

    • 11 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • oldbanjo:

      I know--that's how it was even for the security background checks we did for the outage workers. There were a lot of rules, and you had to follow them. Procedures went step-wise, per the policy. No cutting corners.

      Why in the world would they NOT page the NPP workers--which was one of the first things on the protocol list--who would be the ones who knew the NPP the best, and would be the most useful?

      Is it too paranoid to think they didn't want the NPP workers being interviewed by a fire department investigator, or talking with one of the firefighters?

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      When a step is missed the Eng will loose his certification to operate a Plant. There was a lot going on and lights going crazy and alarms and someone just made a human error. They still don't necessarily know what caused the fire.

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      Even if you moved the plant inland you'd still have a problem with pumps and power, if you had flooding. I always wondered why they wouldn't build a pond above the ground level and let gravity move the water. There probably wouldn't be enough flow but you'd think it would work in an emergency.

    • 11 months ago
  • coolplanet
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    • meanwhile every day we continue to unleash billions of tons of Co2 into the sky, mainy from coal which produces more radioactivity than nuclear waste.

      at least nuclear waste is buried in the ground and not spewed into the air!

      we really need to study science a little more and do the math.

    • 12 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • coolplanet:

      If the NPPs release contaminated cooling water, or other radioactive material, into the Missouri River, it will cause damage that will take a very long time--if ever--to resolve.

      I don't think any of us know how much of the spent fueling rods are stored at these two plants, how much radioactive coolant water can be released if the plant is overwhelmed by a flood.

      I'm not discounting the damage being done by using coal as an energy source.

      But I can't think of a situation where a flood could immediately make morbid perhaps hundreds to thousands of square miles of prime crop land and fisheries.

    • 12 months ago
  • squarethecircle
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    • coolplanet:

      You are right too, but really we need to shut them all down now. We have the tech to put into place sustainable systems immediately if that is where we direct our minds and resources. No point in arguing which is worse...worse is the attitude of many that one aspect of something getting fixed is good enough. Pish Posh. Everything can be righted the moment we take back the decisions being made about our resources and where they go. It is our turn...we know what to do and it isn't disagree that we have to stop the destruction and waste.

    • 12 months ago
  • stupidamericanz
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  • letsliveinpeace
  • simplecj
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    • I think MSM isn't covering this because they don't think there's a reason to be alarmed. Fukushima was damaged from a 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ft tsunami slamming into it. I think comparing a flooding river to what happened in Japan is a bit over board. No way it could possibly cause similar if any damage.

    • 12 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • simplecj
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    • oldbanjo:

      Power can be supplemented by on-site generators. Without any physical damage the containment systems will still be intact and functional unlike those in Japan. You are being alarmist....

      I'm not saying that this isn't a bad situation, but the chances this will lead to a full meltdown are slim to none without some massive earthquake striking at the same time the place is being flooded.... again chances of catastrophe are slim... worst case they will have to shut down the reactors.

    • 12 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • simplecj:

      There are things that SHOULD happen to stop problems from arising from loss of power.

      However, as we recently saw with one of the NPPs in question, a fire in an electrical switch room stopped the cooling process, and they had to issue a stage 4 emergency alert.

      Any NPP built on a flooding plane of a major American river, such that we can now see pictures of one of them completely surrounded with water and read that they have pumps going 24/7, with the river anticipated to rise at least another 2 feet yet, IMO, should not be counted on to have appropriate emergency measures in place to stop a very bad incident from happening.

      They still haven't notified the populace. One of the plants is located just outside of Omaha. There are many roads that have been closed because of the flooding.

      How the hell are they going to get all of those people evacuated if it becomes necessary?

      I am hoping that it doesn't happen, but if it does, the mismanagement, lack of public safety concern, absence of information to the people who would be immediately impacted, and complete lack of planning for a likely event, will surpass even GWBush's completely asinine handling of Katrina.

      It may surpass TEPCO's handling of Fukushima.

      BTW, Obama has been making campaign visits during all of this.

      Priorities?

    • 12 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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    • simplecj:

      Your probably right but this Plant had a lot of things to go wrong after the fire. The people that should have been called in to work when the fire dept was called didn't get called. There were a lot of operational errors.

    • 12 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      The video of Gundersen about this Reactor is on Democratic Underground right now. He is saying that the fuel pool has 20 years worth of Rods and 1/3 of the Plants Rods from this recent refueling. Can you move a copy of the interview of Gundersen to this site, there is a lot of info in that interview.

    • 12 months ago
  • wolfess
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    • PoliticalAmazon:

      Obama has been making campaign visits during all of this.

      Priorities?

      And yet ... drum roll please ... he could take time out from his busy schedule to tell Ann Curry that Congressman Weiner needed to resign. See there, I've reached my saturation point -- I don't care if Donald DUCK runs against him -- I'll vote for the duck!

    • 11 months ago
  • BPGulfLeak
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • One thing that needs to be changed is the storing of spent Fuel Rods. If you have a problem your multiplying the problem many times by having these Rods on site. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know that this is a stupid idea. No matter what changes are made these Plants are unsafe and with the changes in the weather, that are being seen, these Plants are time bombs. We have been lucky but we do not need to push our luck by continuing with this stupidity.

    • 12 months ago
  • KB723
  • PoliticalAmazon
    • +4
      PoliticalAmazon  
    • KB723:

      We have to thank OldBanjo for bringing it to our attention. I just went and gathered the information.

      I've thought about this a lot today, and have come to the conclusion that we are very naive if we think that the U.S.'s own nuclear power industry has any less control over what the government does and says about it than does TEPCO in Japan.

      I'm not saying I'm SURE this is the case, but it is very naive to assume that it isn't.

    • 12 months ago
  • KB723
  • artemis6
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • artemis6
  • BrianBaber
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  • totally_dilapidated
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      totally_dilapidated  
    • MSM doesn't bother with news till the house is on fire
      having cans of gas in the basement and record heat isn't news till she blows

      mayhem is news
      maybe mayhem is not news

      know any ways to change the psychology of our culture?

    • 12 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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      PoliticalAmazon  
    • totally_dilapidated:

      Well, I think it is a shame we have to wait for mayhem to occur before it makes it to the news.

      If this happens, it will be so much like the process in Japan.

      I will be forced to take out a full-page ad in one of Japan's newspaper to apologize them for being so stupid as to think that the American government was any better with the nuclear power industry here than Japan was with TEPCO.

    • 12 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • squarethecircle
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Lot of things have been done related to Nuclear Reactors that the general public have no knowledge of. In 1951 the Convair X6 was being used to test the use of reactors to power an airplane GE built the plant, the plane (NB-36H) made 47 successful shielding tests flights over the US from Sept 1955 till March 1957.

    • 12 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • oldbanjo
  • Buddha2112
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      Buddha2112  
    • Interesting... The floods already put us face to face with food shortages... Now it could potentially be long term. My suggestion: Arm yourselves and wait for the rioting. It's coming sooner than i thought... Oh booooyy...

    • 12 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Buddha2112:

      All that Gold everybody's buying from Glenn Beck will make it feel less awful. Being hungry isn't being hungry when Gold is dropping out yer pockets. Or wait, maybe that was Rush Limbaugh no, Sean hannity? Wow, this is TERRIBLE. Well, when the power goes out we won't have to be mass-brainwashed any longer!!!

    • 12 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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      PoliticalAmazon  
    • Buddha2112:

      The thing is, the people should be made aware they need to prepare for this. Yes, we should always be prepared for everything, they tell us, but when is the last time you changed the batteries in your "Get-The-Hell-Out-Of-Dodge-and-NOW!" kit?

      Some may want to go visit Aunt Matilda who lives someplace where there isn't danger at this moment of nuclear power plants being flooded.

      One of the power plants is right outside Omaha, Nebraska. Do they really want to see a repeat of the NOLA residents stuck on the freeway as Katrina grew near because so many people waited to long to leave the city?

    • 12 months ago
  • Buddha2112
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      Buddha2112  
    • PoliticalAmazon:

      Changed my batteries a week ago, but most of my kit is self powered... ie. crank generators, or solar. But yes, everyone needs to be ready, and get their hands on non-perishables and water... and ways to purify water... The only problem is if everyone rushes for these things, shits gonna get dicey reaaalll quick. It's good to have resources, but what's more important is being able to protect those resources from looters and gangs. Not many people realize it, but when infrastructure fails, and control gone... There are 'hierarchies' in place (gangs) that will quickly be able to take over huge areas. This is both a good and bad thing... It could potentially save lives, but it could also instigate war amongst ourselves in a resource battle.

    • 12 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
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    • Buddha2112:

      I think we saw a hint of that with Katrina.

      The other thing about waiting until the event occurs to inform the public they need to evacuate is that some of what the people take with them will be contaminated. They will be little packets of traveling radioactivity.

    • 12 months ago
  • outsidethebox6
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      outsidethebox6  
    • Wow. I had no idea. I feel s stupid right now- I mean not that I was giving a shit about the Weiner stuff or any of the other vapid and incessant reporting, but I feel like I should have known about this. Thank you so much! Attention will now be directed to the east...

    • 12 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • outsidethebox6:

      This is TERRIBLE (you being left outside the know). Well, in a few hours the lunar eclipse that is so RARE & UNUSUAL another one just like it happens on Dec. 10th... will be starting everywhere but North America, where we get to see a Red Moon => ABOLUTELY NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER TO THE BIBLE SAYING THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD.

      It is to last 1 hr 40 minutes (that's 100 minutes) but the total eclipse is to last 5 & 1/2 hours, 330 minutes, ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTI...

    • 12 months ago
  • PoliticalAmazon
  • PoliticalAmazon
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      PoliticalAmazon  
    • Gravity_Man:

      I know many don't like to hear/read that the cycles of the moon has an impact on the earth and its people, but it does, if for no other reason than it can greatly exaggerate the movement and changes of bodies of water. When the moon and sun work together, the impact is more severe. If there is a big storm already occurring, the impact can be unbelievable.

      The problem with the NPPs in Nebraska is all about water, the flow of water, and how much flows at one time.

      It also involves very degraded dams, the dam gates of which have not been opened in decades--some have not been opened ever.

      The moon can have an impact on the movement of the water behind the dam, and the reaction to the higher-than-ever water levels behind these pathetic dams and opening the flood gates to release water may make what was already a very bad event even worse.

    • 12 months ago
  • Frosty46
  • JanforGore
  • David_H
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