A One Time 35% Asset Tax on the Top 5% Would Balance the Budget Instantly - Should we do it? Vote yes/no in message

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Over the past 25 years the top 5% have gained $32 trillion in wealth at the expense of the middle class. Once the middle class gains $32 trillion in wealth, then and only then can we talk about SHARED SACRIFICE, including Medicare and Social Security cuts, but not before.
FYI, 35% one-time asset tax on $40 trillion equals $14 Trillion. How much is our deficit?
If we do Political Finance Reform, we can get this done. http://politicalfinancereform.org/
David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's Budget Director and architect of the largest tax cuts in history complained in an interview for 60 Minutes (Oct. 31, 2010):
"In 1985, the top five percent of the households, wealthiest five percent, had net worth of $8 trillion. Today, the top five percent have net worth of $40 trillion. The top five percent have gained more wealth (in 25 years) than the whole human race had created prior to 1980."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7009217n&tag=contentBody;storyMediaBo...
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Gravity_Man
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A tall handsome stranger from the West will come forth. He knows your pains and will make astounding strides in removing them. Mitt Romney, the patriarch of the oppressed slaves, will lead you into green pastures and restore your American soul. Only the Mit can slam Obama home. Selah. So saieth the congregator rahmen. Noodles rule. Now, forget this foolishness you rabble => pull harder on the stones we got a Space Elevator ta build.
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Gravity_Man
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Kelly_Balthrop
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change it to 100% and I'm in, lol.
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Kelly_Balthrop
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JPSayles
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Thanks everyone!
Final unofficial tally is: 142 support, 3 Faux Nuze trolls oppose
- 11 months ago
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JPSayles
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Warren_Merrill
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This may be the dumbest article posted on Current. Anyone who believes this is a solution is probably a physically lazy, mentally weak person. They don't have the motivation to succeed. They are unhappy with their place in life. Since they can't succeed they want to destroy those who have. Angry and bitter won't get it done. It will only destroy your health.
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Warren_Merrill
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JPSayles
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Warren_Merrill:
Does that mean your voting "no"?
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JPSayles
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CreditFigaro
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Warren_Merrill:
zero evidence, vague counter assertion, trying to destroy the legitimacy of those you disagree with.
Typical.
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CreditFigaro
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FoosMaster
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Eliminate tax Loopholes (but Not breaks for children or medical expenses) on incomes over the poverty line!
A person making a Million dollars a year complains about their taxes and I never hear them state their 'Actual' taxes, only their tax rate! A millionaires 'Actual' taxes are FAR Lower than their tax rate and they are NOT paying their fair share!!! And don't even get me started on the international Mega-corps that pay NO taxes!!! *(Source: Friend's taxes after making 1.7 million in 2009 was $9,871.00 after deductions) *The tax RATE is not the problem, the tax LOOPHOLES is the problem! - 11 months ago
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FoosMaster
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mitekillem
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Wall Street and the banks seem to be doing fine.
We should put focus on where the money is, and should add taxes where they will do the most good, and the least amount of damage. - 11 months ago
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mitekillem
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cztheday
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If I made a million dollars last year, I would have paid nearly $500,000 in combined federal, state and local income taxes, property taxes, commodity taxes (e.g. gasoline tax), social security and medicare. I would have $500,000 left over. If I spend all of it, I would not be taxed on that remainder under this proposal, so long as I did not acquire any assets when I spent the money. If I spent half and put the other $250,000 in a savings account or other investment, I would now be asked to remit 35% of the savings account to the federal government. I somehow believe that such a policy toward savings or the acquisition of assets in general is not the best policy for our country. We WANT people to invest - preferably in the form of an investment that would create more jobs. Penalizing investment is about as counterproductive a policy as I can imagine.
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cztheday
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JPSayles
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cztheday:
Perhaps there would be a way to target those basking in the 15% capital gains tax category
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JPSayles
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CreditFigaro
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cztheday:
That's not entirely true, unless they are investing in hard assets.
Saving money is an insurance policy. The slowdown is happening because companies are stingy and not hiring.
The policy you are talking about would keep companies from doing exactly what you are talking about and hoarding cash. They are standing back from the market with their arms folded, afraid they will lose their cash in the market.
Either get it out to shareholders, or DO something with it.
With said policy in place: If everyone decides to hoard, then we are going to use some of that cash to hire, support and invest in workers and communities.
There are plenty of things that 35% of the hoarded wall street cash could be doing right now.
If all companies have a disincentive to hold cash, then they will have an incentive to do SOMETHING with it to try to turn a profit during a recession, thus eliminating a slowdown.
It's quite a good policy.
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CreditFigaro
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Harrys7
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JPSayles:
This is we agree all income no matter how it is earned should be tax at your bracket a lower rate for cap gains is silly money earned is money earned.
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Harrys7
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remanns
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JPSayles:
It could be tweaked. You bet. +^d
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remanns
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jubal
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Yes
They need to pay up, they have made trillions over the fucked up economic policies that favored them and not us.Tax them the one time fee and lets move on.
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jubal
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fernweher
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I wish we could do this too, as one of the 95% not rich. However, the wealthy would undoubtedly see seizing 35% of their assets as an act of war, and chaos would ensue. I'm not afraid of a class war or chaos, but I just can't see the wealthy allowing this to happen. Find me a way to make this happen peacefully, and I will support it.
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fernweher
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JPSayles
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fernweher:
First do this http://politicalfinancereform.org/
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JPSayles
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UtopianSky
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http://leadgraffiti.com/users_images/portfolio/poster-hell-yes-800.jpg
Hell yes.
Now the hard part- trying to get it through Congress.
Not a chance in hell with a GOP majority. - 11 months ago
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UtopianSky
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JPSayles
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UtopianSky:
Now THAT'S a vote that deserves a response!
We can buy back Congress for roughly $3.5 billion per year, save trillions and restore democracy. Here's how it breaks down http://politicalfinancereform.org/
- 11 months ago
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JPSayles
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kvb1
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Come on baby, eat the rich,
Put the bite on the son of a bitch,
Don't mess around, don't give me no switch,
C'mon baby eat the rich
C'mon baby eat the rich - 11 months ago
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kvb1
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JPSayles
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kvb1:
too much fat
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JPSayles
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WagonMaster
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Don't forget to TAX RELIGIONS while we're on the taxation fantasy.
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WagonMaster
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artemis6
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WagonMaster:
I like where you are heading with this ....... How about this ? We tax the rich AND religious institutions , UNTIL there are no more poor , hungry , homeless , unjustly treated people ? After that they can keep their money . Priorities . Are . Good .
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artemis6
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bailey78
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OH! I forgot to vote UMM do to the fact that I'm a Po'Boy I say HELLL YESS Tax them fuckers
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bailey78
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bailey78
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Y'all don't get it they don't want to fix anything. They like it just the way it is They are the ones that put us where we are. They are not having to eat ramen noodles three times a week because they have no food They are eating Veal. They are not having to take a bus to work or to try to find work. They have Helocopters that We are paying for to take them where they want to go. WAKE UP!
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bailey78
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Kelly_Balthrop
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bailey78:
There are those in elected office that aren't like that bailey78, not many but there are a few. We need to elect more with our vote. It's the only weapon we have that is any good.
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Kelly_Balthrop
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bailey78
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Kelly_Balthrop:
Ok kelly name five that are not like that.
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bailey78
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BRAVATRAVELS
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bailey78: This comment was removed as a violation of community guidelines.
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BRAVATRAVELS
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bailey78
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BRAVATRAVELS:
I want him to back his comment up. Thats all.
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bailey78
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bailey78
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squarethecircle:
Ok! Name four of them .
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bailey78
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Kelly_Balthrop
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bailey78:
I guess I just more of an optimist at heart. Of course I can't see into people souls (which I don't believe any of us posses anyway), so I can't name names. I just have to believe that somewhere there must be a few that have not become corrupted by the system. If I didn't then whats the point of even trying, were all just doomed to die? I'm not ready to accept that fate. If the people we elect are failing us, then it's our responsibility to replace them.
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Kelly_Balthrop
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bailey78
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Kelly_Balthrop:
An replace them we shall.
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bailey78
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squarethecircle
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bailey78:
Was hoping you could
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squarethecircle
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bailey78
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squarethecircle:
NO! I can not I do not know of any public servants that are doing the job they were put in office to do.
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bailey78
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FoosMaster
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bailey78:
Al Franken
Bernie Sanders
Dennis Kucinich
Marcy Kaptur
and a few others.
And we lost 2 Great ones, Russ Feingold and Alan Grayson, because of huge amounts of money spent by "Citizens United", the Koch bros. - 11 months ago
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FoosMaster
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bailey78
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FoosMaster:
Well there are four people that I will vote for in the future. Thanks FoosMaster.
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bailey78
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Harrys7
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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
The Truth:
According to the "Jeffersonian Cyclopedia" published in 1900 by Funk and WagnallsI believe my quote was correct.
I have no problem with a progressive tax to fund the needs of a limited government . - 11 months ago
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Harrys7
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toadware
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Harrys7:
Henry7,
The real truth:
The quote you attribute to Thomas Jefferson was recently passed around in a Tea Party email. Following the Tea Party standard many of the quotes in the email are taken out of context, altered significantly or fabricated. Much of what the Tea Party states as “Truth” or “Fact” is neither, it is simply propaganda.
In reality Jefferson clearly states, “if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.”
As the actual letter is in the Library of Congress Digital Collection you can read the quote for yourself.
The quote begins on the middle of the third line and ends on the middle of the fifth.
http://memory.loc.gov/master/mss/mtj/mtj1/027/0500/0501.jpg
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.” - JFK
~Veritas Vincit
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toadware
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Harrys7
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toadware:
Here is the exact quote if we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy. - to Thomas Cooper iv, 453 ford Ed, viii, 178 (1823.) published in 1900 The word but is not there do you think he may have expressed his thought more than once. I do not receive email from the tea party
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Harrys7
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toadware
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Harrys7:
It appears Tim Panogos has already researched the history of your original misquotation as well as several others:
"A commentary from Cal Thomas caught my eye – little more than a few quotes from Thomas Jefferson strung together. Jefferson seems oddly prescient in these quotes, and, also oddly, rather endorsing the views of the right wing." - Panogos
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/misquoting-jefferson/
~Veritas Vincit
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toadware
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fernweher
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Harrys7:
I don't think there is anything "limited" about taking over a third of the personal assets from any citizen.
Also, our government has not given me faith that they would act responsibly with this money. We'd probably just have a new top 5% once this went into effect, the new rich being the tax collectors.
The wealthy DO have too much power in America. But we need a government that cannot benefit from corruption to succeed. Those ruling us should have to take a vow of poverty or some such to prevent them from accepting bribes and serving only the rich. Having the rich in power will only ensure that the rich are served best by our government.
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fernweher
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Harrys7
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fernweher:
I agree with you limited government is probably just a dream we are such an envious people if we do not have something we have demonize them and try to take it away if we want liberty we must let other enjoy the same liberty.
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Harrys7
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Harrys7
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toadware:
one quote was written and mine was the published version but I will take either version I agree with both
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Harrys7
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cmc101
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toadware:
thanks for your making the truth stand up
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cmc101
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toadware
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Henry7,
I appreciate your input.
I would like to correct your misquotation of Thomas Jefferson. You have altered the quote and meaning slightly. The actual quote is, “if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.” He is actually saying the gov’t should not collect taxes under false pretence.
Consider this true quote by Jefferson: “Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.”
And then there is this reasonable quote: “Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a commonstock for man to labour and live on.”
~Veritas Vincit
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toadware
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squarethecircle
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toadware:
Beautiful
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squarethecircle
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Harrys7
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toadware:
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
The Truth:
According to the "Jeffersonian Cyclopedia" published in 1900 by Funk and WagnallsI believe my quote was correct.
I have no problem with a progressive tax to fund the needs of a limited government . - 11 months ago
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Harrys7
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UrbanGypsy
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This will never happen, unless this country were to erupt in some type of revolution (which is even more unlikely). I'm getting too much of a "deus ex machina" vibe from it. Oh well, we can dream!
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UrbanGypsy
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rustyred
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Yes! Tax the rich.
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rustyred
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musicjohnny
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Ok, here's what I thought of: Imagine if someone said this to you:
"Hey look, I have got myself in to debt. I've taken out too many lines of credit to pay for my house, my cars, and to waste on trivial items that I didn't need. But I have a plan! You ready? Ok, I'm gonna steal from you. I'm gonna break in to your house tonight and take whatever I can find. But don't worry, I'm not gonna take everything, I won't touch your assets in the bank, just whatever I can pick up and take with me while I'm robbing you. And it's all cool, right? I mean, you've got more than me anyway. And I promise after this one robbery I'll do better! I'll manage my money and be responsible from now on. Oh, you don't believe me? Really? Just because of how I handled my money over the past 20 years you think I'll do that again with the money I rob from you? That's crazy. I mean....I'm not gonna get rid of my 4 cars....or my house that's mortgaged for more than it's worth, and well....I do have to buy a new 62 inch plasma tv, but what else could I possibly want after that?? Well... maybe one more car, but I swear that's it!! This time will be different!"Ok, there's my analogy. Would you ever let someone do that? Yeah...I thought not. It would be crazy. So.....why would anyone in their right mind allow our pathetic government to do the same thing? I don't care whether you're on the right or the left, this makes no sense and there's absolutely no reason to trust or allow the government to invade anyone's resources that way.
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musicjohnny
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JPSayles
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musicjohnny:
Most of us feel that much, if not most of that exorbitant gain in wealth was done through "Gaming Politics", and therefore illegitimately, and therefore we have the right to do so
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JPSayles
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squarethecircle
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musicjohnny:
45% of resources "belong" to 1% of Americans, 80% of resources "belong" to 5% of Americans. They are our resources together and as individuals. Your scenario must change too. We cannot continue to consume everything in sight to stimulate this, buy breakable trash, economic growth. Our resources cannot be used for trash any longer. This attitude is not sustainable among many other nots. The most content people on the planet knew nothing of our manmade constraints until they were imposed on them in the name of progress, their own benefit and prosperity. Stay stuck in conditioned mindsets and we get nowhere. Let consciousness in. The answers are simple not complex. We are made to feel afraid and unable to affect the changes that have to happen...don't believe in these false institutions...don't participate in their systems and they cease to be. Live for people and planet...money has nothing to do with it.
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squarethecircle
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Harrys7
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musicjohnny:
You make excellent points it is easy for us to blame the people that have wealth for our problems this notion that if 5% of the people have this great amount of wealth the rest of us have been rip off or it takes away our opportunity for success is so Jr. High
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Harrys7
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musicjohnny:
The analogy you suggested is not realistic. It does not describe the average American citizen. Only 25% of the average citizen owns their own home, and as for 4 cars? Well, the average citizen can barely own and drive one car with the price of gas. Price of everything up while income is down. The middle class is under attack. The poor have always been under attack. We need some equity between the classes. This is Class War brother.
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rustyred
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squarethecircle
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Harrys7:
Jr High sucked if you don't remember. They are taking away from our opportunity to survive. Some of us have worked hard for many years without result or getting any closer to covering our constantly rising cost of living. Basic needs can not be met. Not for lack of resources but because a few feel entitlement to more. The person working to actually create something of worth is 100,000 times undervalued to the executive making decisions about that thing of worth. If you believe the few with money deserve it for their hard work you must also play the lottery, leaving your hope in the luck of the draw, that maybe, just maybe it's your turn to be rich too....then it will all be ok.
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squarethecircle
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squarethecircle
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rustyred:
You are right but it shows where the perspective is coming from.
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squarethecircle
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squarethecircle:
that was the point I was trying to make Jr high is full of envious self absorbed kids who make up stories lie about others to make themselves look better. How did that work out?
Only you can let another define you what some executive thinks is irrelevant .The monetary value of what you do is determined by The people you perform the service or sell the product to. No matter how hard people or government try to side step the free market They lose. The free market is not an ideology or political party it is you and I making choices. We provide products or services the public wants and grease the wheels of commerce or we will crush under them! - 11 months ago
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Harrys7
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squarethecircle
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Harrys7:
I only agree so far with you. The Market is not ever free and we have been far from the choice for our vote let alone the choice for our "dollar" for how long? The Market is a made up figment of someone else's imagination that I don't buy anymore. I guess we do agree about Jr High, though from the rest of your post I thought it possible you liked it.
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squarethecircle
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JPSayles:
Really? Do you have any factual data to back at up? Or is it, as you you say, how you "feel". If it's just based on how you feel, there's a word for that: envy. You can't take from people based on that.
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musicjohnny
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squarethecircle:
Ok....I'm not 100% sure what your point is here. I'm definitely in favor of people and their rights. However, I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. I'll fight until my dying breath to make sure that everyone has an equal and fair place to start from, but as far as what they do with that opportunity, thats all on their shoulders and it's not the government's place to try to skew their success one way or the other. I don't believe in setting people up for success, because by definition it means that someone else who has legitimatemus worked for that success must be less successful as a result and that is unfair
So I would posit thisnquestion to you: equality ofnopportunity, or equality of outcome. Which is more important to you? I feel the answer is obvious, but I'd like to know what you think. - 11 months ago
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rustyred:
actually, it's a pretty perfect analogy. The person being robbed is the upper 5% who would be taxed, and the robber is the government is the one doing the robbing and trying to justify their actions. I'm not talking about the average citizen, I'm talking about any citizen including the super rich. I don't want to take from them, I don't want to take from the middle class, I don't want to take from the poor. I don't want to take from anyone. I want to work hard, make my own way and be personally responsible for my future. As crazy as it might sound, I don't want the government to ensure my future through rampant taxation or any other means.
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musicjohnny
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JPSayles
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musicjohnny:
see link in article and do the math
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JPSayles
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musicjohnny:
It's not about who has what or how much, it's about Society as a whole!
We are not a society that ignores those who need help, or at least we didn't use to be. The Great Depression should have taught us a lesson in societal economics but it seems that we have forgotten those lessons of history and as the saying goes; "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Our country is being destroyed by GREED and most on this site are fighting hard to change things. The lesson of the Great Depression is that when too many resources are controlled by too few then only the Rich prosper and the poor and middle class suffer the most and society collapses.
The government is the Only tool that can keep the Rich from destroying society with there GREED and through taxes the government is employed by The People to take care of society by doing things that the Rich would Never do, such as building bridges, roads, public hospitals, public schools, emergency services, help for the disabled, affordable housing, protecting the environment from those who care nothing about it, etc…
Those who think, “It is MY Money and I can do whatever I want!” are the ones that society needs to be protected from. The GREEDY will let people die or suffer from health problems and would let society collapse as long as they “have theirs” and they will fight to keep every penny no matter what. There are a Few Rich who actually care about society and try to help, but without contributions from ALL there is not enough to make much of a difference so the government is used by the People to help All of society with necessary programs that help the society prosper. Nobody here has said that everyone needs to be equally prosperous, only that those who need help should be able to get it in this most prosperous country in history.
Look even further back in history and see what happens when the Rich have TOO much and society suffers, the French Revolution comes to mind. The Rich feel like their money will protect them from the people but don’t be fooled, the PEOPLE still have the Power! - 11 months ago
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FoosMaster
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JPSayles:
What math are you referring to? I'm not talking numbers, just an analogy based on what is fair and reasonable for the government and for private individuals.
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musicjohnny
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FoosMaster:
I think you need some perspective. No one wants people dying in the streets and living in abject poverty. Literally everyone in this country including the super rich, and dare I say even republicans believe that civil services like public schools, roads, medical care for those who need it, etc are all great things are they are the essence of what makes our country great. You say that the super rich never give. Are you aware that according to every reliable poll over the last 50 years (go ahead and look it up) as income/wealth rises so does the percentage that people give? I'm not talking just dollar amount, but the actual percentage of their total wealth that is given away. You can call the socioeconomic circumstances or whatever you'd like, but you assertion that the rich are greed filled nihilists simply holds no weight logically and statistically. Secondly, you posit that the government is the only thing keeping the super rich from essentially destroying the nation. Do you realize that the current administration is so firmly in the hand of big business and wall street that it doesn't represent the people at all? President Obama has taken more money from wall street sources than any candidate in history....let me repeat that....more money from wall street than any other presidential candidate IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. Look it up. I promise it's true. You think this administration and its leaders in Washington are on your side? On our side? On the people's side? They're not. They're on their egotistical power hungry own side. That goes for Dems and Repubs.
Lastly, check your sources on what caused the great depression. It wasn't that resources being controlled by the few, it was an economic bubble resulting from massive speculative stock buying and subsequent losses. In other words, people bought a bunch of stocks that didn't do so hot, then withdrew their money, causing an even more massive plunge in market value. Check out a history book...or the internet....or wikipedia....or anything. You'll find out the truth. We're all on the loosing side as long as a government that prioritizes everything but its citizens is in control. - 11 months ago
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musicjohnny:
First, I never said that ALL Rich are greedy, I stated above that Some do give, (Warren Buffett comes to mind), but Most do NOT. Also, if the poor have to rely on the generosity of the Rich then Most will never receive anything because leaving it up to individuals to decide who gets what will Always leave people out because those individuals will Only donate to those they Like for some reason or another. The Only way to help All who need it Equally is through government.
And you are Wrong about government social services being wanted by All political groups, the Tea Party and Libertarians want nearly everything Privatized, (Schools, Healthcare for Seniors and disabled, etc...), so that only those who can afford to pay will get Anything because it is Cheaper to exclude those whom you just don’t like.
I also don’t know where you get that as incomes rises so does the percentage of wealth given away, BS! I have seen No evidence of that. Everyone is different, including the Rich, there are some that Do give and Many that Don’t. I have a Great respect for people like Warren Buffett but there are FEW rich who are generous like he is and he Strongly Supports raising taxes on the Rich back to Pre-Ragan levels because he knows that leaving people to rely on the generosity of the rich is the wrong way to help. A few years ago when the Shrub started lowering taxes on the rich he protested against it and to prove his point he invited All the rich people he could contact to a convention and asked them to donate at least 10% of their wealth to programs for the poor. Only 5% of the people he invited showed up and very few of those actually donated 10% or more, (Buffett donated more than 50% of his and Gates donated around 10% of his, most others donated only a pittance). He then had a half hour segment on TV that he paid for, (I remember watching all this), where he stated his reasons for his opposition to the tax cuts and at one point he asked his secretary how much she paid on her $75,000.00 salary AFTER deductions, not her before deductions rate, and she said 30%. He then looked at the camera and said “I paid 7% after deductions, is that fair?”
Now, as far as the administration being complicit with Wall Street and Big Oil, I do somewhat agree. The administration has not done nearly enough to satisfy us Liberals, though they Have Tried, just not hard enough, but been stopped by Republican filibusters! There are a Few good politicians that I respect and trust to do the right things for the people, but None that I can think of on the Republican side, (though I do have respect for McCain as a person, I would not want him representing me). And YES I stated that the government is the only thing keeping the rich from destroying our country because it is TRUE. The Tea Party and Libertarians want to Completely deregulate Wall Street, eliminate the EPA and Privatize Everything. If that doesn’t qualify as Destroying our country I don’t know what would.
You need to look further into the causes of the Great Depression. Yes, Speculation and a lack of Regulations, (like we are Now dealing with on Wall Street), Did have a big role in it, but Monopolies like Standard Oil and the Rich hoarding their wealth Did also have a Big role in it.
We need More programs like the ones that helped us get Out of the Great Depression, not taking apart the ones we still have! We came out of it through Regulation of Wall Street, busting up the Mega-corps, TAXING the RICH, and taking care of the poor, elderly, and disabled, and higher spending on education and infrastructure. We need MORE of that, not less!!! - 11 months ago
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I certainly agree that the major economic problem that we face is inequality of wealth (both assets and income). A rational redistribution of wealth coupled with centralized industrial, health and economic planning is critical if we are going to successfully compete with the Chinese, India, and Brazil and other emerging nations. But we need more than instant elimination of the deficit--a one time tax gets us nowhere because it does not address the structural issues that limit economic and personal growth in this country. Our structural problem is that the wealthy (particularly investment bankers and bankers) have engaged in a ponzi scheme economy for too long--where the objective is solely making money from thin air and creative financing "strategies" without adding real value to the economic well-being of the nation. Real value is created by labor and individual creativity--not clever banking schemes. We need to move back to a country that makes products (food, clothing, shelter, telecommunications, electronics, pharmaceuticals)--not a country where the wealthy class sit in their office all day and scheme about how to make more money by mergers, acquisitions, fancy securities offerings and/or cutting labor costs. We should reward companies that invent new products, make them and therefore create jobs that provide real value. And we should not hesitate to highly regulate and tax those who do nothing other than dream of ponzi schemes. The housing bubble in this country in the 1990's was the ultimate ponzi scheme, because so many professionals could participate--accountants, lawyers, investment bankers, doctors---but this ultimately was a get rich quick scheme. We need an industrial policy that encourages hard work and innovation, but discourages the excesses of the investment banking, banking and real estate speculators that are at the heart of our structural economic distress
- 11 months ago
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MauriceMichael:
In other words, we need our political leaders to be making decisions best on what is best for the collective whole, not a select few. Have you seen this? http://politicalfinancereform.org/
I believe this could accomplish precisely that
- 11 months ago
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JPSayles:
Great link - thanks! Are you familiar with Robert Kyosaki, author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad and other books. One of his latest is Conspiracy of the Rich.
- 11 months ago
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MauriceMichael:
Well said. I think you might appreciate this book Aftershock: The Next Economy and America's Future - http://www.amazon.com/Aftershock-Next-Economy-Americas-Future/dp/0307592812
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JPSayles:
Yes, that's a good link.
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PIANORAMA:
thanks, that's my site ... is "Leen61" below Keith? Do you know?
- 11 months ago
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I voted "Yes." This is a no-brainer.
- 11 months ago
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whoever votes no is just ignorant... (like our government in America)... the thing is, so what, we tax the top 2% of the population and give to the rest of the 98%. sounds a lot like robin hood. IM DOWN
- 11 months ago
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ironmask311:
You, behind the mask, yeah you, the Fraud. We know what you'd do if you got some money you'd run like a crazy man to the nearest car lot and get something FUEL-EFFICIENT YOU DIRTY SELLOUT.
Maybe even a big Peterbilt and start WORKING AGAIN, and paying EVEN MORE TAXES => SELLOUT AGAIN.
- 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
I'd put up solar and a windmill, install a cistern and expand my garden...get rid of my last needs for money...any extra resources and I'd share with you to get your engines off the ground...hope you are well sir
- 11 months ago
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squarethecircle:
Solar and wind, they're nice, but there's much better. A few years ago someone invented a system for getting extra water straight from the air. I think they've been helping other countries with them. It inflates their egos to go outside the US. We're being purposely kept in this crucible and being ground down into powder.
It shouldn't last much longer tho. They're actually following a Bible prophecy that played out once long ago. They hammer people til they eat their children (abortion) when suddenly a period of peace breaks out. Everybody enjoys life again => then Jesus comes to reward the ones who kept awaiting him in belief.
See the small picture I added to the bottom of newpath4.com yet? I only came to write that less than 2 weeks ago. Throw down your nail sack and get to a Kingdom Hall, soon..
- 11 months ago
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squarethecircle:
Doing OK. I got a few nice decals on my car that say "2,000 YRS AGO STEM CELL HEALING JN CH 9" and my matching new license plate that says "JC STEM".
My neighbors have backed off a few more yards. HAHAHA I have my bad days but I STILL KNOW HOW TO HAVE SOME FUN.
- 11 months ago
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squarethecircle:
You know what you need?! You need to work up a real good case of SELFISH. You aren't Selfish enough. All these other people have learned the Bible what it really teaches not that Voodoo garbage from the mainstram religions, and they're getting all in line to have a real planet handed them as THEIR INHERITANCE. Some of that belongs to you too, if you get some good quality SELFISH going on.
- 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
I can see that.You are all over stirring it up.
- 11 months ago
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You know I believe in way more possibilities than that but it would be a start.
As for the tail of your response, I don't have to, Kingdom Hall comes to me once a month. Nice guy....open to discussion which is something all too rare these days. Good perspectives can come from us all friend, when you combine them you find GOD, LOVE and some TRUTH
- 11 months ago
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squarethecircle:
That's you OPINION. What JW's tell you isn't their opinion, it's what is found in the Bible's pages. But you have become addicted to your opinions.
- 11 months ago
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squarethecircle:
Your opinions can't save you through the coming fury.
- 11 months ago
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squarethecircle:
I'm getting the impression you don't like me but what is important is your survival not us being close friends. A lot of folks drowned in the Great Flood and no doubt they had many wonderful opinions also. In fact, since they were so closely-related to Adam PLUS the suspended water layer was still around the earth and slowing human aging to a crawl, they likely were incredibly MUCH SMARTER THAN US TODAY. So their opinions were probably better than anything today too.
BUT THEY STILL DROWNED. Some people laugh at the idea of the Flood but, Jesus quoted it as having happened. Some so-called Christians have now interjected their opinion that the Flood was just a storybook invention. That putrs them at odds with their own Savior. The problem with that is they call Jesus a liar so that doesn't sound like they're still holding a valid ticket.
You're completely free to have as many non-Bible opinions as your heart desires, and when Jesus comes and reads each person's heart to see if they belong to him he will find your heart stuffed with your opinions. I personally find that a poor choice.
As you mentioned engines I came across one called the MYT (Massive-Yet-Tiny) aka the "Mighty Engine". They don't need engines from David. They have Golaith now. Google it. It's an awesome video of it too.
- 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
I do like you.You aren't afraid to free think or speak your mind. You genuinely care about things most don't see. My opinions have simply become my perception, much from the Bible and other religious text, all saying the same thing. LOVE IS GOD and we are ALL a part of that....that we are custodians not rapists. We are the first creatures of this Earth with the awareness and ability to have empathy and move beyond and above base survivalistic tendencies. Take care of ourselves and our planet with an awareness of both that to now has been unknown to us.
I do like you and I hope you don't write me off for conversation. - 11 months ago
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squarethecircle:
No, I haven't "written you off", I'm just wanting to make sure Jesus doesn't. God has four big qualities. One is Love, like you say, but there's also Justice, Mercy and Power. They exist in Him in a perfect balance. He can't be only LOVE. He is a very legal God and in scripture we are told He has to obey His own spoken Laws!
If He says something is going to happen He has to make sure it happens. For instance, when He made the decision to start off humans in a garden of Eden He made a committment that this was His Will and it has to come true. Unfortunately the first couple fell to the wiles of an angel gone bad. He had the Power to blow everything away and start over, but legal questions had been raised, His Right to rule was questioned.
Blowing us away would have made it look like the Devil's accusations were true. That's why we've had to struggle through 6,000 years of Satan's garbage misdirection and hate.
None of which is my "opinion" it's from the Bible. Since Eve had been deceived it was holy for a woman to carry God's son to birth on earth but sperm from Adam was not OK. So Jesus' "life force" was transferred from heaven into Mary, BYPASSING ADAM.
Skipping now to the last book, at Revelation 11 v 18 we reach the part you're interested in now, at the very end of the verse it says there is an appointed time to => "bring to ruin those ruining the Earth". We lack the power to stop Satan because we are not just up against him!
In chapter 12 v 12 we are told about war in heaven and the result was Satan was thrown out down to us, with a loit of angels who chose to side with him. Alright, SO WHAT DID SATAN DO WHEN HE GOT DOWN HERE? He copied Jesus and chose "apostles" to do his works, so world wars and pestilences and all manner of problems started hitting mankind all at the same time together.
You will notice it's still happening. We cannot stop it but that 'appointed time" is about to happen, which I understand few people know that, much less knowing the body of proof we have that it's true. God's Justice has to be satisfied therefore we cannot slide easily into home plate of our own power and design.
There's a little matter of housecleaning has to happen first. That's called Armageddon. Satan gets bagged like a deer and thrown into a place of restraint so that Jesus can reverse the damage he caused. Then Satan gets one last shot to tempt everyone one last time, just like in the garden to begin with. The ones who stand firm live forever, and the Plan Jehovah said was "good" will come to pass.
All other plans are a fail. Working on other plans will earn you a seat beside the Devil.
- 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
Wonderfully said and I can see your point of view.
- 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
1.) "God's laws" according to the Old Testament of the Bible, include expect and express endorsements of everything from incest, rape, and child molestation to murder, genocide, and blood sacrifice.
Every time you get dressed, you break god's laws.
Every time you get out of bed on the weekends, you break god's laws.
Every time you eat meat, you break god's laws.
Every time you grow any sort of garden, you break god's laws.
And every time you do any of these things and survive long enough to tell anyone about it, god breaks his/her/its/their own laws.
The god of the Old Testament is wrathful, vengeful, destructive, murderous, homicidal, genocidal, reckless, sadistic, manipulative, vindictive, incompetent, incognizant, incoherent, negligent, irresponsible, careless, erratic, impulsive, unpredictable, unaccountable, arbitrary, unstable, greedy, selfish, vain, fickle, capricious, and feckless. None of these things are in any way, shape or form whatsoever at all positive attributes for anyone or anything to ever have.
2.) Nowhere in the Old Testament, nor anywhere in the Bible, is the number of 6,000 years mentioned. The six millennia date was an arbitrary guess by a religious zealot and ideologue several centuries after the most recent part of what we know as the New Testament was last written down.
3.) The Bible is a work of fiction, the best-selling fantasy masterpiece of all time; far more fancifully mystical than the 20th Century's Lord of the Rings or Star Wars trilogies, which are a substantially more credible source of information.
4.) The Story of the Garden of Eden (the actual historical geographical location of which was what is now the island nation of Bahrain), and that of the Great Flood (See: Epic of Gilgamesh), were both ancient prehistoric Mesopotamian Sumerian Creation Mythologies and demigod hero legends, respectively, dating from at least 12,000 BCE, or approximately eight millennia before the very first evidence ever found anywhere of the ancient hebrews, who would much later copy down the Mesopotamian creation mythology, very nearly word-for-word verbatim, during their so-called "babylonian captivity", during which the vast majority of Pentateuch, the torah, and the "Old" Testament was first written down, after the Babylonian Empire ransacked and burned to the ground [pillage is expressly endorsed in the Old Testament] in the second or third millennium BCE.
5.) The Book of Genesis never once mentions the devil in any way, shape, or form (it does however, include a talking snake and a pomegranate).
6.) In the Bible, specifically in the Old Testament, Satan [from the Arabic word "Shaitan" translated "adversary"] is referred to as "Lucifer" [latin: literally meaning "Bringer of Enlightenment"] which was the classical civilizations of the ancient world's name for the Planet Venus; the "morning and evening star".
7.) The Biblical endorsement of incest is reflected throughout the Book of Genesis. In it, Human beings are created not once, but twice, in the first and second chapters repshectively. If one disregards, as the overwhelmingly vast majority of scholars do, the preposterously misogynistic, ludicrously chauvinistic male fantasy of women being made from a rib, we must also discount the apocryphal absurdity that humans were spoken into existence in god's own image; and what is left is the creation of man and woman simultaneously from dust and clay (baring a striking resemblance to the creation mythologies of many, if not most, indigenous native american cultures) and having life breathed into them by their creator. Therefore, Adam and Eve were born of the same father, with no readily apparent mother (in spite of the fact that the ancient Hebrews DID, in reality, at the time that the Torah and Old Testament were written, worship the ancient Canaanite fertility mother goddess Ishtar as the wife of their One god Jehovah or Jahweh). Being twin siblings, brother and sister, they then went on to not only mate and have sexual intercourse, but to produce offspring that eventually resulted in the birth of Noach. Noach's three sons, after a flood erased all other life from the earth, proceded then to repopulate the earth in spite of the Book of Genesis clearly stating that there were no female human beings left alive anywhere on the planet earth... Except, that is, for what Genesis names as the last surviving women on earth; Noah's own wife, Haykel, daughter of Lamech [Noah was the son of Lamech, and Haykel's brother]; Arbasisah, daughter of Tubelcain, Haykel's brother; Nhalb, daughter of Jubal, Tubelcain and Haykel's half-brother; and Salib, daughter of Jabal, Jubal's brother. None of the women aboard the Ark were removed from Noah or his son's by more than one parent in a generation.
8.) The description of Jesus Christ [Christ, from the Greek: "khristos": "anointed", a translation the ancient hebrew "mashiah": "the anointed one"] in the heavily edited, editorialized, abridged, adulterated and censored gospels in the "New" Testament; from the Virgin Birth on the Winter Solstice and the three wise kings, to the Baptism and raising the dead, to the crucifixion and resurrection after three days; is an amalgam of the mythologies of the classical civilizations of the ancient words, particularly those surrounding the Mediterranean in especial, regarding those cultures' respective solar deities ["son of god" in the New Testament being a mistranslation of "god of the sun"; "god's sun" being "sun god"], from Horus of Ancient Egypt, to Apollo Ancient Greece, to Mithra of Ancient Persia. This is why Jesus is referred to in the Gospels as "the light of the world", and why every image of Jesus Christ in the world has a sun disc directly behind his head.
9.) There is no historical evidence of anyone named Jesus Christ, nor anyone matching the descriptions given in the "New" Testament, ever having lived anywhere in or near what is now Israel at any time in the past six thousand years.
10.) The prehistoric, pre-stone age Mesopotamian creation mythology of the Garden of Eden in the Book of Genesis quite literally could not possibly have anything LESS at all in the world to do with the adaptation of Classical Mediterranean Sun god legends into "khristos" the "mashiah" in the New Testament Gospels.
11.) "Armageddon" is actually the combination of two hebrew words "Har" "Megiddo". Har Megiddo or "Mountain of Megiddo" is Tel Megiddo, a hill near the Kibbutz of Megiddo in what is now northern Israel. Tel Megiddo was the site of what is the first battle to have been recorded in what is accepted as relatively reliable detail, a battle between 20,000 Egyptian chariots and infantry under the command of the Pharaoh Thutmose III; the sixth Pharaoh of the Eighteenth Dynasty on the 21st day of the first month of the 23rd year [the first 22 years he was co-regent with his stepmother and aunt Hatshepsut, who was named Pharaoh] of his reign [53 years, 10 months, and 26 days (alone for 30 years) (April 24, 1479 BCE-March 11, 1425 BC [year 54, day 30] (1 month and 4 days shy of his 54th year); and 10,000 Cannanite coalition rebels under the King of Kadesh on April 16, 1482 BCE. Tel Megiddo was also the site of a battle between the Egyptian Paharaoh Necho II and King Josiah of Judah in 609 BCE. ([II Kings 22:15-20; 2 Kings 23:29-30; II Chronicles 35:20-35]).
12.) The Book of Revelations was the result of a staggeringly extended period of time on extraordinarily powerfully potent hallucinogenic narcotics spent in a cave or dark cell in Medieval Dark Ages Western Europe by a religious cult zealot and fanatic thousands of years after the Old Testament was written on the other side of the known world. - 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
What you write is all comedy, and its good for laughs... but only up to a point.
As you spout off simply-disprovable and easily-refutable historical and literary inaccuracies, it is easy to laugh at your ignorance.
But when you intentionally and deliberately blur and obscure the distinctions and designations between the fantastically fictitious and fanciful fables and mystical magical mythologies that are the best-selling work of fiction of all time, and actual documented historical events; you cross the threshold from pig-heatedly self-imposed ignorance and stupidity, and into the realms of paranoid delusional schizophrenic psychotic and deranged dementia, of the kind more often found either in psychiatric wards or, to a much less potentially dangerous extent, elderly senior nursing homes.
Such Narcissistic, self-aggrandizing delusions have the very all-too real potential to be among the most dangerous psychoses conceivable.
At such a point, one either needs to be shut up or locked away, if for no other reason than in an attempt to try and ensure and preserve the safety, security, health, and well-being of those people who might ever be unfortunate enough to come in contact with such a deranged and self-deluded individual.
So i say this to you now, in the best interests of all humankind:
Please, shut up now, if not for our good, then do it for your own. - 11 months ago
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Judgian12365:
It frightens you that someone enjoyed hearing Bible Truth eh? hahahaha That's what Bible Truth does for people => it reaches their heart and tickles.
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You wrote => "LOVE IS GOD and we are ALL a part of that..." That has some basis in Scripture where Jesus prayed that his followers "be one as we are one" (which btw is a defeat of the false Trinity doctrine, we can't all be in a Trinity). Unfortunately as much as your statement SOUNDS LIKE BIBLE TRUTH it is not. It's more something that would come dripping all over us from the Anti-Christ's mouth POSING AS HOLY-SOUNDING BUT NOT.
For a person to join up with God and His Christ they have to join up. Your statement is saying we are all in God without joining up, just by virtue of our birth.
But "our birth" comes from the first couple who sinned, and that sin gave us all an inherited defect that carries with it a Death Sentence to every newborn baby. The way provided in the Bible for us to each escape that death sentence is to accept Jesus as the replacement Adam... and do so from within the one true religion Jesus is backing today, which is Jehovah's Witnesses, so a water baptism in any other faith is WUTHLESS because it was a legal document made under falsehoods.
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WONDERFUL ENLIGHTENMENTS have been given me by God's holy spirit force for many years now, giving me an increased ability to see thru the Anti-Christ and their deadly tricks {"their", not one, they are a group operating as one).
One of the largest tricks is promoting the idea YES YOU CAN and YES WE CAN. This is a msg straight from the DEVIL. Examine the information I put in this gif file extremely closely and let Jehovah's holy spirit open your eyes to this false path => http://www.newpath4.com/ouijaboardsexposeddevilsatandemongamemsgyeswecanwearejeh...
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The words of Jeremiah 10 v 23 still ring true, truer than any un-inspired 230 year old documents => http://concordance.biblebrowser.com/al3/jeremiah/10-23.htm
Jeremiah 10:23 Parallel Translations
GWT: O LORD, I know that the way humans act is not under their control. Humans do not direct their steps as they walk.
NASB: I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps.
KJV: O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
ASV: O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
BBE: O Lord, I am conscious that a man's way is not in himself: man has no power of guiding his steps.
DBY: I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.
ERV: O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
JPS: O LORD, I know that man's way is not his own; it is not in man to direct his steps as he walketh.
WBS: O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
WEB: Yahweh, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.
YLT: I have known, O Jehovah, that not of man is his way, Not of man the going and establishing of his step.
The idea that we today, being poisoned, not getting proper nutrition or rest, being beaten into a pulp psychologically as IF WE ARE ALL LIVING IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP, IS LUDICROUS TO THINK WE CAN FIX PLANET EARTH'S ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS WE CREATED THEM
=> LUDICROUS TO THINK WE CAN FIX PLANET EARTH'S ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS WE CREATED THEM => LUDICROUS TO THINK WE CAN FIX PLANET EARTH'S ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS WE CREATED THEM => LUDICROUS TO THINK WE CAN FIX PLANET EARTH'S ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS WE CREATED THEM => LUDICROUS TO THINK WE CAN FIX PLANET EARTH'S ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS WE CREATED THEM.
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Gravity_Man:
1.) The words "Bible" and "Truth" are mutually exclusive.
"Bible Truth" is an oxymoron.
It is a contradiction in terms.
It's like saying "Star Wars Truth" or "Lord of the Rings Truth".
What about "Chronicles of Narnia Truth"? Or "Dune Truth"?
Or how about "War of the Worlds Truth"; Or maybe "The Time Machine Truth"?
Perhaps you could try "Journey to the Center of the Earth Truth"; Or "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea Truth"?
The Bible is a work of fiction.
It is classifiably fantasy, as it ,by definition, cannot fall under the genre of "Science Fiction"; because, as a dogmatic religious doctrine, it is the antithesis of all science.
"Star Wars" and "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea" both classify as Science Fiction, as there are definitive elements of scientifically proven realities in both works, form space travel to submarines.
There is quite literally nothing that is in any way, shape or form scientific about the Bible, which says the planet Earth is a flat disc supported by pillars above the "deep", and is surrounded by an ether called the "firmament"; that the planet Earth is orbited in perfect circles by the sun and seven other planets; and that Outer Space is full of water.
There is literally nothing that is at all scientific about a book that claims that bats are birds, whales are fish, displaying a striped pattern to a pregnant cow will produce striped calves, and sprinkling blood all over someone with a magic wand cures them of leprosy.
There is nothing scientific about a document that claims that everything in the universe was spoken into existence with magic words, and that human beings, having been formed of clay and dust and animated with an incantation, are little more than golems, clay figurines moved by magic spells.
A document which says that Lucifer (in latin, literally: "the bringer of enlightenment") gifting to mankind the pomegranate fruit from the tree of wisdom/knowledge was the first "original sin" cannot possibly be taken at all seriously in any way whatsoever.2.) Are you comparing spouting baseless, unfounded, foundation-less, evidence-less, unprovable, unverifiable self-contradictory religious cult fundamentalist ideologue dogmatic zealotry and fanaticism to Open Heart Surgery?
If someone was suffering from a coronary and/or cardiovascular malfunction, you spouting off your ludicrously preposterous, borderline insane and deranged, ridiculous absurdities could only ever make the situation worse.
By the way "tickling the heart" is exactly the right way to give someone a heart attack. - 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
The book of Genesis says that Lucifer [in latin, literally translated meaning "the bringer of enlightenment"] gifts to humankind the fruit from the tree of knowledge and/or wisdom.
By partaking of the fruit that had been gifted to them by the bringer of enlightenment, humans gained an understanding of the workings of the world that they had been strictly and rigidly prohibited and forbidden from even ever so much as seeking to attain by the vengeful, wrathful, sadistic, manipulative, and vindictive god that had animated them as clay figurines with a magic golem spell.
This is "original Sin".
Essentially what the Book of Genesis tells us is that learning, any and all learning, is a sin against god; and that god's plan for humankind was for our species to remain eternally and perpetually childish, immature, and infantile, without ever having seen anything outside of the closed, secluded and reclusive boundaries that god set down before he spoke us into existence.
No infant reaches the age of one year old without already having learned many, many more things than it ever will again in its lifetime.
By the standard that is clearly and explicitly laid down in the Old Testament of the Bible, however any infant that leans to walk is sinning against god; any child that learns to talk is sinning against god, any kid that learns to read is sinning against god, and any student that learns to write is sinning against god.
By this standard, there is quite literally NOTHING that any human being can physically do at any time, anywhere that is not a sin against god. Because merely by LIVING, we learn. If you are human, you learn something from every single action you ever take. Everything you see, hear, taste, touch ,smell, or feel teaches you something.
According to the Book of Genesis, Any and all learning is a sin against god.
The Gaining of Knowledge is original sin.The only way NOT to sin AS MUCH against god in any given second, of any given minute, of any given hour, of any given day, of any given week, of any given month, of any given year, is to effectively close your mind, to shut down entirely that which separates and distinguishes us from the vast majority of, though not all, other species on this earth.
The only way not to sin is not to learn. The only way not to learn is not to think.
Not thinking has a name. We call it "Religion". - 11 months ago
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Judgian12365:
Well, your "religion" as stated so far SUCKS ROTTEN EGGS. I'll stick with what I know to be true and you can snake oil your way on down the Highway into Sheol.
Friends?
As for heart disease I have had every one and all of them. Arterio, athero, anginas and a major heart infarction which did in fact tickle my heart so hard I LAUGHED AT IT, LAUGHED OUT LOUD. So what do you do, call for halp, halp, save me, I'm having a big one Martha.
You don't know squat. I solved heart disease and cancer both YEARS AGO and have lived through multiples of each one INCLUDING TWO HITS OF COLON CANCER. Go sell your tripe elsewhere. With Jesus helping me I have made your world OBSOLETE, both your do-nothing charge-card doctors and your automotive and Energy engineers..
And in May past I was given the insight to make an engine based on Ezekiel 1 v 16 that replaces everything your stupid idiot-run world has. We are ready to go into the New System God is about to begin, and you "friend" with your misleading garbage will be bird food on the ground and perhaps bird doo-doo later to make the crops grow really great.
Go find a rock or cave to hide yoself under => this way Jesus comes.
- 11 months ago
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Judgian12365:
You seem to know all the negatives in the Bible but in the time you spent digging it up surely you recall all the miracles of Moses, Jesus, all of Jesus' Apostles, all the NT accounts of Gifts of the spirit.
I've had every one of em. You won't win against me purveyor.
Every single one. I haven't raised anyone from the dead might be considered one but, then again I've been writing onto the Internet since 2006 DETAILING TO OTHERS HOW TO STOP CANCER. So just this past week it was in the news that for some UNEXPLAINED REASON cancer deaths among men has plummeted 22% and women's not quite that much.
So maybe I did have a few successes in that area. When I was in highschool I asked my Guidance Counselor couldn't I transfer to a nearby school that had automotive classes and architect training. She would not allow it. But for the last 22 YEARS I've made new Energy from lightning THAT YOUR STUPID WORLD WOULDN'T BUILD JERK. THAT WAS 1989 FOOL.
in 2003 a flash of insight showed me how to fix a Space Shuttle designer's failed nitrogen-powered engine of 1997 THAT HIS FELLOW SCIENTISTS SQUASHED INSTEAD OF HELPING HIM PAST THE FEW PROBLEMS IT HAD. So why don't you have it? I also designed a tornado proof home of a surpassing aesthetic design no one on earth has but of course since your WORLD FULL OF CRASS IDIOT COLLEGE GRADUATES HAVE GOT IN MY WAY IT ALSO WAITS.
I SURE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU OR THEM. Nor the Ezekiel engine.
Every doctor I've had has known a 1,000 pound bale fell EIGHT FEET AND BOUNCED ALL OVER ME 4 TIMES so they have refused to give me medical attention BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO KILL ME BEAZVIS. They decided I was male trash no longer worth saving so Jesus has saved me many times, even cleansing me like a Leper of the Lyme's YOUR IGNORAMUS DOCTORS MISSED SINCE 1982, and gave me no antibiotics, and according to all their medical manuals I'm not supposed to be alive.
Jesus has the Power. You have nothing but trash mouth disease.
Now slime on down the road to do your killing evil work.
- 11 months ago
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Gravity_Man:
If the real world is irrelevant to you, then why engage in it at all?
Why do you write anything, if everything everyone else writes is part of a word that is "obsolete"?
If the world outside of you is of no consequence, then why don't you close yourself off from the outside world entirely?
Why engage with a world that doesn't matter?
If the world of reality in and of itself is inherently inconsequential, then why do you insist on continuing to live in it?
If reality doesn't matter, what's the purpose of existing in it at all?
My suggestion: remove yourself from society. Civilization as we know it has no place for a person who believes that reality is irrelevant.
Such a person, such as yourself, can only ever be a detriment to human culture.
Engaging with the rest of the world, which exists in a reality you deem "obsolete" is pointless, as the world in which you live bears no resemblance at all whatsoever to any that anyone else on earth recognizes as being in any way real.
If you shut yourself off from the rest of the world, which would be my suggestion to you, then you could exist in a world where you beliefs are all that matters.
When you live isolated from all other people on earth, you can exist in whatever sordid world you like.
The real world in which the rest of the world exists never has been, is not, and never will be anything that even remotely interests you, as reality will forever remain just irrelevant to you as it ever has been.
Engaging, in any way at all whatsoever, with the rest of the people of the world, who live in the real world you have deemed as being "obsolete", can only ever serve to interrupt your imaginings of a world that is in no way, shape, or form at all real, and distract you from your imagined events which have never occurred on any plane of existence that is recognized by any in the world as resembling reality.
You have invented an entire world for yourself, complete with a fanciful and fictitious autobiographical life story for yourself. Engaging in any communication of any form with the sane, rational, reasonable people that live in the real world you call "obsolete" can only ever serve to disrupt the flawlessness and perfection of your closed imaginary, albeit sick, twisted, distorted, disturbed, unsettled, deranged, and demented, universe; one that bears no resemblance to anything anyone in the rest of the world would possibly recognize as real.
Your irrational, unreasonable, baseless, borderline demented and deranged insane extremist fanatical devotion to fundamentalist dogmatic cult doctrine notwithstanding; If you honestly do believe everything that you say about yourself, and your own past life, then you are indeed far too dangerously demented and deranged to continue to live in civilized society; and should by all rights be institutionalized immediately, restrained and locked away securely to avoid harm to the rest of the people living in the world you claim is "obsolete".
A straightjacket and rubber room would give you whole new appreciation of the cliche "bouncing off the walls." - 11 months ago
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