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The fire and climate change feedback loop

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Wildfires are becoming more frequent and intense, lasting on average 78 days longer than they did just two decades ago. Northern Arizona University Biology Professor Bruce Hungate tells host Bruce Gellerman about research that shows a relationship between fire and the release of nitrous oxide, a potent greenhouse gas.

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GELLERMAN: From the Jennifer and Ted Stanley Studios in Somerville Mass, this is Living on Earth. I'm Bruce Gellerman. Nitrous Oxide is commonly known as laughing gas, but there’s nothing funny about its effects on climate change.

Biologist Bruce Hungate accidentally discovered that during wild fires, huge amounts of nitrous oxide in the soil are released into the atmosphere. It all has to do with microscopic bugs in the soil that give off laughing gas. Bruce Hungate is a professor at Northern Arizona University.

HUNGATE: Bacteria called denitrifiers use nitrate in respiration just like humans use oxygen, and in the process, they produce nitrous oxide. Fires promote conditions in the soil that favor production of nitrous oxide by these soil microorganisms. They’re microscopic, but their impacts are global by producing this greenhouse gas. And in fact, most of the nitrous oxide in the atmosphere comes from these tiny creatures.

GELLERMAN: So how potent is nitrous oxide as a greenhouse gas, compared to, say, carbon dioxide?

HUNGATE: So on a molecule-per-molecule basis, nitrous oxide is three hundred times more potent than carbon dioxide. That’s a very potent greenhouse gas.

GELLERMAN: So you studied grasslands, right?

HUNGATE: Right.

GELLERMAN: Would I find nitrous oxide and these little bugs that produce it in forests?

HUNGATE: Denitrifiers are everywhere. They’re in soils all around the world. And they produce nitrous oxide from these soils all around the world. And there actually have been a lot of experiments looking at the impacts of fire on nitrous oxide production from forests as well, it turns out, especially in the tropics - and often there what you see is after a fire, you get more nitrous oxide emitted from soil.

Bruce Hungate is a professor of Biology at Northern Arizona University. (Northern Arizona University.

GELLERMAN: And we didn’t know about this forest-fire and nitrous oxide relationship before?

HUNGATE: What we did know is that, in general, after fire, nitrous oxide emissions often go up. So we knew that before. What we didn’t know is how fires interact with these other components of the changing environment and in our experiment that was the real surprise.

GELLERMAN: You were running a series of experiments and you had a bunch of test plots, as I understand it, and that’s where you made your discovery.

HUNGATE: That’s right. We started this experiment back in 1998 in a grassland in California where we actually changed the physical environment around test plots to try to simulate the environment of the future. We focused on four on-going global environmental changes. More CO2 in the atmosphere, so some plots have tubes that release extra CO2 into the atmosphere around the growing plants, and also warming, we have infrared heat lamps over some plots to make them warmer. Extra nitrogen deposition - some plots get an extra dose of nitrogen simulating higher industrial activity and its effect on the atmosphere in the future. And also rainfall, some plots have sprinklers that simulate more rain. So we had each of these changes by itself, and then in every possible combination with the other global changes - it was really complex.

And then a downed power line caused a fire that burned part of it. At first we were really worried about damage to the experiment, but it turned into an opportunity. The fire burned only part of it, so we still had controls to quantify the impact of the fire along with the background of all these global environmental changes. So instead of losing the experiment, we got an even more complex experiment - very complex, but also interesting and exciting, with these new results.

GELLERMAN: So this accidental fire leads to this surprising finding that you can have accelerated global warming due to the nitrous oxide in the soil being released, essentially.

HUNGATE: Yeah, that’s exactly right, it was a surprising result. When we looked at each of these things by itself, we wouldn’t have been able to predict the result we got.

GELLERMAN: So you get this intense burst of nitrous oxide - so it’s not long lasting? Or…

HUNGATE: Well, actually it is. It was a delayed reaction. The pulse of nitrous oxide after fire lasted about three years. And that was another surprising finding, because past work on fires and nitrous oxide emissions haven’t shown quite as long lasting an effect. We think that might have to do with a combination of the global environmental changes along with the fire that really promoted nitrous oxide production.

GELLERMAN: So, Professor, let me play out the scenarios. So if you have a wildfire it releases this nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, it affects climate change dramatically, it gets warmer and causes the conditions for more wildfires - you’ve got a feedback loop here.

HUNGATE: That’s exactly right. It’s where climate change leads to more fires, which in turn lead to more climate change. And it’s not just nitrous oxide, these fires also produce carbon dioxide and methane, so they’re important sources of greenhouse gasses.

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15 comments // The fire and climate change feedback loop

  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  
    • I notice that the denier/liars have discovered a new strategy.
      Instead of bombarding posts about global warming with endless excuses and insults the few of them remaining merely gang up and vote us all down.
      So now I consider votes down an indication of the Truth.

    • 11 months ago
  • letsliveinpeace
  • letsliveinpeace
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      letsliveinpeace  
    • 78 days for a wildfire is a long time. I wouldn't want to live near there, but maybe if Jan Brewer shuts her mouth the wind will die down, just like the I.Q.'s did. And the fires will die down. Besides when I lived in Fla. I was stuck in traffic on I-4 and a fire popped up out of nowhere.

    • 11 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • http://www.grist.org/climate-change/2011-06-14-science-connects-global-warming-a...

      One of the least controversial impacts of the climate crisis is more frequent, severe, and damaging wildfires in America's West. Why won't reporters say so?

      It's been a scary spring for wildfires in places like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Global warming caused by human-made carbon pollution is fueling perfect conditions, with longer fire seasons, drier conditions, and more lightning strikes.

      But a search of Google News over the last week shows few reporters are connecting the dots for their readers. I did a search for stories that mentioned both wildfires and climate or global warming. I found very few stories in mainstream news outlets that mentioned climate and wildfires together at all, and the ones that did were just as likely to wrongly downplay the connection as correctly draw the scientifically documented tie. (Note that Google News is a crude tool, not covering every print outlet and including very little of what's said on TV and radio. If you know a story I missed, please add it in comments.)

      First, the outlets that made the right scientific connection between wildfires and global warming:

      ABC News directly connects global warming and extreme weather.

      Public Radio International doesn't just connect carbon pollution and changes in weather patterns -- it asks if enough is being done to prepare communities for future disasters.

      NPR's Science Friday had as a guest Joel Achenbach, who recently predicted that the 2100s will be the Century of Disasters.

      Reuters asks if the insurance industry can survive the new era.
      That's it. Four stories that accurately connected wildfires and global warming based on the best science available. That's all I could find.

      Now for the stories that mentioned climate and wildfires but failed to correctly connect the dots:

      PBS downplays the link by quoting AccuWeather, which until recently employed climate science denier Joe Bastardi.

      USA Today baldly states its disinterest in delving into any link, saying, "Never mind the debate over global warming, its possible causes and effects."

      A New York Times/Greenwire article ignores the evidence supporting a link, instead going into extensive detail on what we don't know. (Joseph Romm analyzes this article in more depth at Climate Progress.)

      The Arizona Republic makes only a passing reference to the climate link while making the wildfires sound strictly like a forest management issue.
      CNN.com didn't connect climate and wildfires in America that I could see. However, it does have story noting that thanks to global warming, Siberia, once frozen, is now on fire.

      What's so strange about reporters' reticence is that the connection between global warming and wildfires isn't controversial in the climate science community. While scientists are always eager to learn more and shine light in every possible corner, the basics are straightforward and established: More heat + more droughts = more wildfires. Don't believe me? Ask NASA. Or the Environmental Protection Agency.

      How established? Amanda Staudt, the National Wildlife Federation's climate scientist, made this video on the climate-wildfire connection a full three years ago:

      So why doesn't the line get drawn? Polluter-funded front groups and their allies in the media stand ready to attack anyone who reports scientific fact on climate change. For both reporters and the government officials they're quoting, it takes courage to stand up to that.

      Most ironic about the New York Times/Greenwire article: Just last week, the Times' Leslie Kaufman wrote this about a recent climate poll:

      Scientists at the National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration [NOAA] drew a relatively high approval rating, with 76 percent of respondents saying they strongly or somewhat trusted them.

      Of course, the agency states unequivocally that the earth is warming and that human activity is a leading cause. So if 76 percent of the American public trusts NOAA scientists strongly or somewhat, why don’t more people accept their conclusions?
      NOAA wrote about "Climate Enhanced Wildfires" ... in 1998. But here we are 13 years later and The New York Times is still reporting to the controversy on the climate-wildfires link. Is it any wonder some Americans are still uncertain?

      To learn more about the connection between global warming and extreme weather, visit the National Wildlife Federation.

      ------
      And once again the media is remiss in their duties.

    • 11 months ago
  • thedirtman
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    • JanforGore:

      USDA Forest Service, Climate Change Resource Center:

      Climate change will likely alter the atmospheric patterns that affect fire weather. Changes in fire patterns will in turn impact carbon cycling, forest structure, and species composition. In the summary paper 'Wildland Fire and Climate Change', Forest Service scientists who study wildfire explain what is known about these interactions and what management options are available to resource managers.

      We've also provided readings on this subject that range from technical peer-reviewed literature to general briefings on fire research and the climate-fire connection. Browse descriptions of some of the current Forest Service research projects that study fire and climate change, recommended websites, and fire-related tools for resource managers. All resources have been recommended by the Wildland Fire and Climate Change authors and the CCRC production team.

      http://www.fs.fed.us/ccrc/topics/wildland-fire.shtml

    • 11 months ago
  • thedirtman
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    • JanforGore:

      Arizona Daily Sun, dated January 2009. There is a paragraph that sounds perfectly well, but it is followed by another paragraph of incomprehensible mishmash which almost apologizes for having told the truth.

      The American Southwest may be drying, one of the predicted consequences of human-induced global climate change. Less water in an already semiarid region will affect how, and for what, people use water. Allen also suspects that tree dieback here may be part of a worldwide phenomenon. As temperature extremes have inched higher in semiarid regions globally, forests have succumbed to heat stress.

      But, at least in the Southwest, the news isn't all bad. Over the past century, fire suppression and grazing pressure have let trees reach a greater density than in times past. But now drought and higher temperatures have, in a sense, prompted the system to reset itself. Savanna will again dominate the landscape. And, given the likelihood of more intense droughts in the future, this means more resilience. Grassland can recover from disturbances more quickly than comparatively long-lived pinyon-juniper forest.

      http://azdailysun.com/news/article_9d1be909-a4ad-50aa-9411-ed038ae2e15c.html

    • 11 months ago
  • SpareChangeHope
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • SpareChangeHope:

      Just remember that it started with the Alpha & the Omega => AZ, first and last letter of the alphabet. Arizona went up in smoke and ashes first.

      If Satan can't rule Planet Earth he intends to DESTROY PLANET DIRT, AND ALL HUMANS. But the "holy grail" Satan seeks is to make it look LIKE JESUS DID IT, so starting in a State abbreviated AZ was, well, THE LOGICAL CHOICE.

      Now we get to watch & see what the hurricane season does to us, and AZ.

    • 11 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • #1. Lightning has caused fires throughout Time and those fires were good for the soil, so what we see in Arizona is Good for the Soil times 700 square miles!

      #2. Planet Earth knows what it needs to stay healthy. It is a self-sensing self-repairing machine. THEREFORE we can figure the planet felt a NEED for increased nitrous oxide.

      #3. Therefore what likely happened was something was CAUSING a low nitrous oxide condition that no one kne existed, BUT THE PLANET KNEW and took corrective action.

      #4. Just like when all the firefighting equipment & men were rushed in to stop the fires WHAT HAPPENED THEN? The planet increased wind speed to 60 miles per hour to increase the flames, which is what a cutting torch does.

      #5. In which case we should've stood down and let the fires burn. They are obviously being divinely-ordered up. If men had a lick of brains they would have designed a system for protecting homes in the paths of such fires, that's where the effort and monies should have been applied.

      #6. which is pre-emption (intelligent) not reactionary (dumb).

    • 11 months ago
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  
    • Gravity_Man:

      #1. Mother Earth is not a god damn machine. Nor is she self-sensing. She is rather a living organism that depends on the balance of all life on the surface and in the oceans (including rocks) to regulate the climate. She doesn't say one day, "I think I will punish people in America because they are such energy hogs" and hurl tornadoes and wildfires at us!
      That is the role of mythological warlords like Zeus and Yahweh.

    • 11 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  
    • JanforGore:

      One of many things I like about Gnostics is we don't blame our problems on "the gods."
      Humans have taken Nature into our own hands for millennia and have not lived up to our divine capacity. We are supposed to be the caretakers of Earth but, thanks to time and money, we have become her undoing.
      "Heaven is spread out upon the Earth but men do not see it." ~JC
      Perhaps I'm not a "real man" according to world standards but I nonetheless see it faintly amidst the endless self-absorbtion.

    • 11 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • coolplanet
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