Health law blunder? Middle-class millions could get Medicaid
source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43490650/ns/health-health_care/
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- SoCalFramer
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Well, if the country had a Single Payer healthcare system, all of this would be moot!
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rustyred
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SoCalFramer
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rustyred:
Single payer is the way to go but lets hold the gains we have until then.
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SoCalFramer
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Prijedor
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rustyred:
single payer?? as in we all would HAVE TO get insurance no matter or be fined type thing?
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Prijedor
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Prijedor:
No. As in a form of affordable, government health insurance for everyone on an equal basis. I don't believe in requiring everyone to get it. Also, emergency rooms should not have to accept people without life-threatening issues. They would be referred to an urgent care and treated on a sliding scale basis. Make health insurance so ridiculously affordable that it would be silly not to get it. If you choose not to get it. Well... get sick and die!
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rustyred
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Prijedor:
I see your uniform of oppression and fear.
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congoboy
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rustyred:
health care is not a human right. thats a false misconception spread by the leftylib leadership to garner more votes
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congoboy
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congoboy
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Prijedor:
yup, pay up government mandate or go directly to jail
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congoboy
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rustyred:
no such thing
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congoboy
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amo42
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This is classic Koch spin. First of all the couple would both have to be in the top bracket for getting the Max from Social Security, not very likely if they both retired early. They would then need to make $17,000 on top of that. Might be helpful to run the numbers and see how many we are talking about.
Additionally keep in mind that there are a fair number of individuals who are retiring early because they are unable to find employment and their unemployment benefits have run out. They are not however covered by Medicare. If they are uninsurable, and many are not, they are forced to buy insurance on the open market. In my state that would be $7,000 to $10,000 with at least a $2,500 deductable. That comes out to 50% or more of your retirement benefit, if you take early retirement. Currently people in that situation do not have health coverage; they let stuff go until they are 65 when they are eligible for Medicare. They tend to use a lot of medical care that first year –driving up the cost.
This is an attempt to dismantle health care reform. We should just point out that a single payer system would take care of the problem. - 11 months ago
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amo42
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amo42:
Well reasoned and thoughtful.
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congoboy
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now that i almost qualify i might just support it! just wished i'd read the bill before i voted on it. sorta like voting for a politician without ever knowing his "real" position on things
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congoboy
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congoboy:
... but, but, don't you know you gotta vote for it so you can see what's in it?
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JohnA
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LOL, well they had to pass it to find out what's in it, right? Maybe they should start reading bills before they vote on them. A crazy idea I know, but it just might work....
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JohnA
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SoCalFramer
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JohnA:
Maybe the people that voted for it, read it and understood it and kept thier mouths shut, knowing it would all work out in the wash.
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SoCalFramer
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JohnA
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SoCalFramer:
And maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt.
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JohnA
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JohnA:
Maybe they should just drop the legal mumbo jumbo and pass simple laws (using the 10 commandments as an analogy):
HR 34356: All citizens shall receive free health care.
Perhaps they could read it.
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JohnA:
Have you been hanging around Dorothy or Kansas?
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JohnA
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2warsoffbooks:
They would still have to say who would pay for it. Nothing is free my friend, nothing. Some one always has to pay.
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JohnA
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JohnA
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2warsoffbooks:
Sounds more like you are the one who is living in wonderland if you think you can can get something for nothing.
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SoCalFramer
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Misti:
I hope the fix is to cover more people
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SoCalFramer
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congoboy
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SoCalFramer:
the best fix would be to dump it lock stock and barrell and come up with a more realistic affordable plan.
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congoboy
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JohnA
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SoCalFramer:
At the taxpayer's expense.
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JohnA
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congoboy:
"come up with a more realistic affordable plan."
We've been talking about this for how long, now? Still waiting on ideas from your side.
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CreditFigaro
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JohnA:
I believe middle america pays taxes, it is about time they get a break.
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SoCalFramer
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CreditFigaro:
I've got an idea....a Single Payer Option. All problems solved.
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congoboy
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CreditFigaro:
i believe several viable alternatives have been offered but your guys drunk with power and is only offering lip service in his pretense of being reasonable
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congoboy
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congoboy:
So apt of you to use a weapon metaphor.
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CreditFigaro:
Don't forget Grayson summary of the Republican health plan, (now applicable to SS & Medicare as well)
DIE and Die quickly!
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SoCalFramer:
If you get a break you will have to go to the emergency room. I hope you have insurance.
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CreditFigaro
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congoboy:
-looks at watch-
Still waiting.
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CreditFigaro
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JohnA
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SoCalFramer:
We agree on something.
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JohnA
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congoboy
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CreditFigaro:
Shhhh! There's GOP alternative to Obamacare
The Republican alternative to Democrat-care, which liberals don't want you to know about, has been hijacked. They don't want people to know about it because the Astroturf, un-American crazies might like it.
The "Empowering Patients First Act," or H.R. 3400, was introduced by Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., and 27 co-sponsors on July 30, 2009, prior to the congressional recess. It was then referred to eight House committees.
The head hijacker is Speaker Nancy Pelosi. As Rep. Price pointed out during a radio interview with me last week, the rules in the House assert that bills will remain in committees "for a period to be subsequently determined by the speaker." Thank you Nancy!
The highly contentious 1,000-plus-page Democrat health-care proposal cleared the committees in a few days. The 63-page Republican alternative is stuck in committees, and it can't get out. Speaker Pelosi can simply keep it there while they continue to try to shove their proposal down the throats of the American people.
The mainstream media has aided and abetted the hijacking of the Republican alternative. In addition to not reporting on the alternative, they have helped to keep public attention away from the hidden provisions of the Democrats' health-care Trojan horse. They have also helped to keep attention on "how do we pay for it" and "what do we call it" as they proclaim it must pass.
The president and his administration, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the liberals in Congress are trying to sell the public on Democrat-care, rather than listen to what a majority of We the People are saying. The Democrats are organizing hundreds of rallies across the country to counter the thunderous disagreement that they have encountered against Democrat-care during their August recess, and they label all criticism as smears and lies....
The Empowering Patients First Act, or H.R. 3400, would allow:•Individuals to choose their health insurance (no mandates)
•Deductibility of health insurance premiums regardless of who pays
•Employers to provide flexible health-insurance options to employees
•Health insurance coverage for low-income families (300 percent of the federal poverty level)
•Health insurance for high-risk individuals (pre-existing conditions)
•Sale of health insurance across state lines
•Expansion of Health Savings Accounts, or HSAs
•Individual membership association health insurance plan
•Association Health Insurance Plans
•Medical liability limitations (Tort reform)
Unlike Democrat-care, the Republican alternative would not impose fines on workers or employers, require cuts in Medicare, increase taxes, require a new government bureaucracy, require a "government health insurance" option nor add $1 trillion or more to the national debt.The Republican alternative is simply less government, fewer taxes and more choices, whereas Democrat-care is just another attempt to hijack more of our liberties.
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congoboy
