An answer to the Tea Party!

Olbermann calls Boehner "John of Orange". He calls Mitch McConnell "Ninja Turtle."

Hahaha, how perfect.

I agree 100%.

:) Awesome! Van rocks

America on the whole, everyone's debt added together, personal and governmental is almost 10 times what America on the whole has in assets! What part of broke don't you understand? Taxing the rich... here's where nobody seems to get this... ask any small business owner which is the backbone of America... you tax somebody who makes everything, controls the markets, they just pass it along in price hikes that the majority of us pay for. The rich don't pay more in taxes, we do! The only fair tax would be a flat tax same for everyone. You can't take away ambition, this all sounds rah rah, but in the end it's ludicrous. We have got to start thinking things through to the end before making decisions!

Our "debt comes from waging wars. And it also comes from the money we "borrow" at interest from the Federal Reserve. Those who resist the Federal Reserve are threatened and/or severely punished. Andrew Jackson resisted; an assassination attempt on his life failed and an impeachment attempt also failed. However, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy were not so fortunate. You might want to further your education by reading Robert Kiyosaki: Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and the Cash Flow Quadrant, as well as Web of Debt by Ellen Brown. These are good places to start. If you really want a detailed account of where our debt comes from, read The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin, for his historical notes and references.

You might also want to read about our compulsory public school system which has systematically retooled education to produce consumers, rather than thinkers. I recommend John Taylor Gatto's Weapons of Mass Instruction.

Only one person in Washington, D.C. seems to be thinking things through before making decisions and that's President Obama.

I've read them all with the exception of Ellen Brown. As for Robert K. and G. Edward Griffin, I think they would be agreeing with me that our President is not thinking at all. Of course neither are the other 600 problems we have in Washington. I agree that the Fed Reserve is the major part of our problem. They don't have anyone's best interest at heart but their own. Our debt is so much more than the wars and it's unsustainable and growing faster than we can ever make up. Not only are we broke financially but we are broke morally and getting worse. As I said, we need a good reboot to return us to what's important here... people, and I think we'll be getting one real soon.

How are we broke morally? Because we don't follow your religious point of view? We would have plenty of money if we forced the rich to donate their fair share to pay for running this country. I am sick and tired of hearing their cheap, constipated, selfish, greedy, and Randian people saying that taxes are evil and big government is socialism. I guess when the corporations get government welfare, that is OK isn't socialism, is it?

Over 50% of marriages end in divorce, countless children growing up without proper parental guidance or love... how does this equate to religious beliefs? Can you say any child is better off without 2 parents who love one another and know what love is? Psychological tests don't bear that out. And the fact that in the church the stats aren't much better is really sad. As for the rich bashing, if I offered you money right now, for no reason, for doing nothing in return, would you take it?
We work with the homeless and have a pretty good handle and perspective on how our misguided social programs have miserably backfired and have created generations now of expectant people that are actually in every sense of the word, enslaved. It's not the rich doing this but our own government programs. Another question for you, do you or are you in the trenches doing something about your concerns for people? Real love is when you give it with nothing whatsoever in return. That's not religion, that's Jesus in the flesh.

Religion is the bane of existence. I was walking on Nostrand Avenue today, the hottest day of the year and coming towards me is a woman dressed head to toe in a black Muslim berka thing. She only had slits for her eyes so she could see the hell where she was going. I hoped she would not pass out in the heat and then wondered how her stupid husband would feel if he had to dress like that. Religion is the dumbest and most dangerous toy the human race has every created.

Please cut the Jesus crap. Before I would believe in any humanoid supreme being, he would have to be a She minus the scrotum and adding the breasts.Also, millions of innocent people were murdered including millions of Jews because they refused to accept your religion as truth. Additionally, you have used the bible to justify racism, murder, holocaust, sexism, homophobic hatred. Besides, your religion (to me) is one of the most disgusting beliefs and is the opposite of everything I stand for as a human being. The idea that we are all sinners and a god as man dies for our sins is absolute rubbish. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand ALL religions including my own ex-religious belief: Judaism. You go on and on about how CHRISTIAN YOU ARE, but when it comes to helping those in need, not MY TAXES, and then cynically you brand people in need as all taking a hand out. If I called you a hypocrite, you would accuse me of name calling and quote me something your father told you. Well, get this:

You asked me what I am doing now. First I am a retired person who served NYC well as a public school teacher for 28 years. Now, I am working on a book, and I wrote a screenplay that I am trying to sell. On my fixed income, I give 25 dollars a month to an Obama program to help the middle class. I give 50 dollars a month to Greenpeace because I don't agree with the biblical notion that god gives the human race the planet so that they could subdue it. I give 20 dollars a month to the Humane Society. I gave 50 dollars to help make an expose the Koch Brothers documentary. I give two hundred dollars a year to Disabled American Vets. I give two hundred dollars a year to Ezrat Torah. I also believe in higher taxes so I can support all the social programs and all the services the government uses to protect me including the FAA which the turds want to destroy because they hate labor unions. You asked what I do or am doing. I did not intend to brag about what I give in money. I don't donate because I think that I am a good person. I do it because that is just the way that I am. I am not controlled by money. I do not count every penny, and believe mme I am not a rich person.

You asked me what I would do if you offered me money for nothing. I would take it...why not. I may hate money, but if someone offered me a million dollars, I would be a fool not to take it because one can do a lot of good with a lot of money. Believe me, other rich people would hate me if I had wealth because I would be doing all the wrong things with it like helping others as well as helping myself. You give me money. Do you know how many homeless people I could help with it?

As for marriage and divorce. It is not your place or the place of the clergy to tell people how to live their lives. If someone wants or does not want to get married in a religoius ceremony, all the power to them. Understand this: I believe in democracy. Religion is not a system that is harmonious with a democratic way of life. I grew up with two parents and believe me, it wasn't a picnic. In fact, if it were up to me, people would have to get a licence to have a child. I've seen enough neglected kids to last a life time, and of course, the Republican turds want to do all they can to cancel Pell grants, afterschool programs, aand anything else that would help a wayward neglected youngster.

The Republicturds only care about life when it is a fetus. Once you are born, and if you are middle or working class, they don't give a shit about you.

Religion is the bane, you are absolutely correct. Your religion especially- humanism, That which exalts man. You worship money by your own admission. I'm asking you to be totally honest with yourself for one minute. Why do you give money to causes you support? That is what our government's solution is for most social ills, throw money at it and it eases the conscience. In all your years of teaching, did money or funding ever change a young boy or girl? No. We spend more per capita on education in the US than anywhere else, and failing miserably. That is the moral bankruptcy in this land. No funding or teacher can totally turn around a child who is coming into the system with more needs than you can meet. The solution is giving of one's time. There is no substitute. I'm not bragging on what we do but of the fruit. People's lives are changed by us being in their lives, showing them we care. By griping and complaining about what doesn't work you accomplish nothing, why not go and do what does work. Go down to your local homeless shelter and contribute your time, you are retired you said, so you should have a full bank account of time. Spend it. It will change your life. That is what Jesus taught, love Him, hate Him or indifferent, it works!
We are what our President calls rich, barely. You hate the rich, why? Because you feel slighted in some way? We are rich because we took a risk on a business that could have failed but didn't. It was and is hard work. We then in turn take the money and give it back. We have $0 in retirement accounts, our home is being donated to a ministry to abused children, when I sell my business it too will all go to help others not our children. We make do with one vehicle, a 10 year old 170,000 mile Yukon used to haul and work. We raise much of our own food, etc. We keep the air conditioning set at 80 or higher and only when the temps are unbearable, this week was the first it's been on for some time. This is how the rich live. And we are very joyous about it. Why? Because the fruit of our labor is people set free, free to enjoy life as it was meant to be. Free from pain, free from shame and free from anything this world tries to throw at us.... including radical left wingers and radical right wingers. Oh yes, we are equally attacked by the religious ones too. Just as the Pharisees jabbed at Christ. A joyous heart is good medicine, a broken spirit drys up the bones... how's your health? Oh, we don't have healthcare insurance either... it's a waste of money. Also been married to the same woman for 30 years now, it's been no picnic either but the rewards are sooo sweet. Nothing worthwhile comes easy, if it comes easy it's not worth spit.
I declare you will reap your inheritance and what's coming to you. Blessings and curses are a choice, I have the faith to believe you will make the choice to be a Blessing.

First of all, don't tell me what I should do with my spare time. Second don't tell me I worship money because, as a Jew, your comment has the taint of theological anti-Semitism behind it. Third: They may fund education, but not all school districts are treated equally. In this country, The federal government has little to say in how local school districts are funded. If you are lucky enough to live in a rich school district, your children wil have all the supplies they need, but if you live in a poorer school district, you may not only not get supplies, your child may find himself having classes in the water closet as well. If it was up to the the right wing, most kids would not be educated, their public schools decimated and replaced by privately run charters. For true educational equality and quality to occure, there should be a right to an education amendment added to the constitution of the United States, The problem of educating every child in this country will now be shared by the federal goverment and funded for the good of all.

Re: Your religious views and your invoking the name of Jesus every time you post. Your religion worships a man, a man with arms, legs, eyes, nose, penis, and anus. This man is tortured and placed on a cross to die. You believe that this man, this male with a penis and an anus died for your sins. If this man with a penis and an anus did not do this, you would be tainted for eternity with original SINNNNNNNNNNNN. Now this man with a penis and an anus may have not ever used the former, but I am certain that he did eat and use the latter. I am certain, he took a dump just as abundantly and just as smelly as the rest of us. I frankly do not worship men nor do I worship a being that excreats this smelly substance the way I do. By the way, I am sure if I increased my fiber and change my diet a little the substance would not smell as much, but disgusting nevertheless. Now if I had to worship a humanoid being, I posted before he would have to be a She. Personally, I would prefer to worship a being who doesn't take a shit like we have to.

In the end, you can expect me to once again brand you as the hypocrite that you are in that you WANT to keep your money. YOU don't want you tax money to go to help anything in this country but yourself. Your Christian love is really a mask for theological hatred and a desire to punish the living in order to save the unborn.

I am not finished with you... TO BE CONTINUED.

I think I'll just let you have the last word. Just be Blessed and know that a Jew once helped me and I'm forever indebted to Him and the Jewish people. I encourage you to embrace your heritage, it's a majestic one.

I thank you Mr. Bothwingextremist, and since a Jew did you a favor once, return it by supporting an end to tax breaks to the rich, and an end to tax cuts for the rich. Afterall, one of the greatest gifts the Jewish people have given to the world is the concept of TZEDUKAH. You can translate this as charity, but it means much more. I believe that the tax is a form of forced charity. If more of us understood the importance of taxes, we would then understand it for the patriotic duty that it is. I have paid ALL my taxes over the years. I have no problem with it. The alternative? Higher bridge tolls? No more extra help for the at risk kids after school? A dirtier river? The Repubicans and especially the tea baggers pride themselves on their righteous religious fervor, and yet care more for a fetus than they do for a post born human being.

And by the way, there are no last words on these pages. In your world there are last words, but in mine, the free exchange of ideas continues......

I really don't get involved in politics except for voting. With 1/3 of my money already in their hands each year and still not much to show for it, I believe I know how to disperse it better myself. I have an idea for you. You talked about all the under privileged school children are missing, supplies etc. Instead of giving your extra money to political activist groups, go and buy some supplies and find some of these kids and get them better prepared for the coming school year? We've done that in the past and it's always well received. There, you have a ministry calling.
As for more taxes, and I have nothing but observation to rely on, I believe the track record shows that the amount of money that actually gets to the root is very small. Admin costs when the government is involved in anything is cost prohibitive and wasteful. I guess I'm more of a Libertarian if I had to choose a party... but I'm not a party guy either.
By the way, the root of that great Hebrew word "tzedakah" has it's origin in a man's name Melkizedek and is about righteousness. Giving of one's time and money. Doing what is right and is commonly summed up with our word charity which is insufficient to describe it with. That man was considered the pattern and precursor of Jesus. Jesus was called the Messiah in the Order of Melkizedek. There, more Jesus for you but you brought him up this time. Jesus is charity, following Jesus means I give to Caesar, plus I give 10%, plus my additional offerings and not because I'm commanded to. The Lord loves a cheerful giver. When taxes rise, it means some poor person is actually getting less from us and many others just like us. Charity can not be forced, that's called robbery when money is exchanged without the spirit of giving... or as people are fond of these days... social justice. It just doesn't work.
My belief on taxes is if everyone paid their fair share, we would have more than enough. There are way too many loopholes in our current system. I'm all for paying a fair tax. What I pay now is very unfair. I get penalized for not being in debt! How backwards is that?
Fair= Flat tax for all 10% sounds awesome to me and I'll cover my own healthcare costs forever, deal?

First of all, get your facts right. The word for Tzeduka does not come from someone's name as you say. Second: I've been giving money to my school for years and still do. This does not in anyway make me a good person, but giving is better than receiving, as you would say.

Your preaching about Jesus is a waste of your time. I told you that I find your religious beliefs disgusting. Again, if you wanted to make Jesus into a woman and call her Jessica Christ, I may consider coming along with you.

Here listen, JESSICA CHRIST WOULD YOU STOP YOUR GODDAMN PREACHING?

No matter how you slice it, paying one's tax is a patriotic duty and a kind of charity for the federal government so that it can keep viable programs going like helping the unemployed or feeding poor children or making sure some greedy corporate slime
doesn't pollute your local pond.

Now I want to make it clear. I may not like your religious views but support your right to have them. When you start talking about Jesus, I simply skip over that stuff. So don't waste your time with it. If I was interested in any kind of religion or faith, the LAST one I would choose is yours. FEH! FEH! FEH! I do not bow down to any human being in any shape of form unless She is six feet tall or over with the most to die for legs You've ever seen. JESSICA CHRIST, WHATTA GAL!!

PS I should add that some of your other points are something to think about Re: flat tax and the like....I would like more of my money to go to help people in need and to help our planet. We don't however have a choice where our money goes. I certainly do not want it to go to the Koch brothers or GE. I don't want any of my dough in the pocket of a Republican. But the way it is going, there may not be a Republican party after 2012 if they don't raise the debt ceiling which pays for bills already spent from those wonderful Texass Bushmoron years.

I have to stand corrected. You are not worshiping money, you seem to worship sex. You can't seem to say anything without vulgarities and it shows your intelligence and moral levels. Don't you realize that? I know you love when I quote my daddy, but He says, "what is in the heart WILL come out of the mouth" or in this case the fingers.
You had better look up the facts before you deny them. Melkizedek is very well documented and where the whole idea of tithing comes from. Ever hear of another fine Jewish boy named Robert Zimmerman? Better known as Bob Dylan, he sang a song called Serve Somebody and it comes to mind right now.

I don't think you are going back in time enough to find the root of our ills. Certainly the Bush years contributed but were just adding on. It's like football and what I was good at was letting someone make the first hit and then I'd pile on top. The peas were spilled out of the can a long long time ago without the idea that it would continue in perpetuity. Most congressional ideas were for a short term fix but always tended to become permanent. You can't put the peas back in the can once they are spilled without upsetting somebody. What these social programs do is hurting more than they help. One day, probably in the very near future, they will come to a screeching halt and pandemonium will break out. The longer we wait to correct the mistakes made in the past the more pain and spread out it will become. We are, for lack of better analogy, living in the matrix now. Nobody really wants to see reality. You prop up the democrats who are no better than republicans, worse in some ways better in others. As a Jewish man, you should have the gift of knowing how to make money work for you. That's not a racist or semetic remark, it's truth. You've been given a gift of knowing how to make money work for you and not the other way around. If you'd embrace that you'd end up helping many more people in so many other ways. I have hope for you. And again in your last remarks you said you give to your school... give what counts most, your time is what I would urge you to give. Your time is much more valuable than your money.

Your contention that as a Jewish man, I am good with money IS an anti-Semitic remark. It is like saying that a black person has a natural sense of rythm or Irish people like to fight and drink and Polish people are stupid. I guess since Trump, The Kennedys, the Fords, and the Gates are good with money they must really be Jewish. You mask your hypocritical hatred with your theological anti-Semitic views. You can't hide the fact that you want to keep all your earnings for yourself and to hell with everyone else.

By the way, I want to add here that there was a time in Christian history when they denied Jews the right to own land and the right to do any other profession but money lending. They also forced Jews to live in a ghetto and forced them to wear identifying clothes. The nazis later borrowed many of these Christian ideas. You can take your Christian love and shove it where the sun don't shine, and since you buy into "The Jews are good with money" legend, I won't be responding to you anymore. So have a good life, write what you want, and I will ignore it. Man, if I was as good with money as you think I am as a Jew, I would have been a billionaire 90 times over by now, but becoming rich was never one of my goals. In your world, only Christians are allowed to be rich, but a Jew? He has an unfair advantage because being good at making money is part of his blood. What an asshole you are, sorry to say, but you can always turn the other cheek of your ass. I am sure you learned much of this shit from your very wise and loving father.

And Christians are taught that sex is original sin, so cut this bullshit too. You like to stand on a soap box and sermonize about how each of us should use our sex organs. This is one of the reasons I am glad people iike you don't have power over other people's lives. You are homophobic and anti-woman because in your twisted narrow world, women have to submit to men. BULLSHIT.

Also, your ignorance of Jews and Jewish words and traditions is apparent, so don't make yourself look more ignorant then you already are. Bob Dylan is a great musician, but he never was an expert on Jewish traditions and Jewish law. The word Tzeduka comes from the words Tzedek and Chessid all having to do with righteous mercy.

Now, I respect pagans more than I do you. You believe that a god became man so that he could sacrifice himself for the sins of all mankind. Jews don't believe that someone else atones for your sins. You do that yourself before god. Further, when you do communion you believe you are drinking the blood and eating the flesh of Jesus which amounts to cannibalism. Fundamentalist Christians are the greatest most hypocritical pagans of all. I also posted that I would never bow down to anything that looks like me (humanoid). I would rather worship a pile of shit then worship what you do.

Get this through your head: you or any religion (Judaism as well) does not have the monopoly on the truth. You have no right predicting what will happen after someone dies. You have no right telling people that your religion is the only truth. If the modern world has demonstrated anything at all, it has demonstrated that religion does not make the world better but worse.

Now go home and force your wife to submit to you with you on top and she on the bottom. Make sure that no oral sex is involved. And while you are doing it, make sure you only have SACRED thoughts. Yeah, while you thrust, just think about your boy Jesus. And remember too that women are not allowed to have sexual thoughts or desiresTHE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF SEX IS TO BRING MORE ASSHOLES LIKE YOU IN THE WORLD.

PS A Goddess, not a god...MATRIARCHAL RULE!!! GET RID OF DEM OLE TIME RELIGIONS THAT PERPETRATE HATE LIKE THE ONE THAT TEACHES THAT JEWS ONLY LIKE MONEY. OR IN MY CASE SEXXXXXXXX.

I wish you truth, hope and love. May you find shalom in your life.

Would really like to know the root of your rage. I would really like to know where you came up with some of your ideas too? In the words of John Lennon, "But if you go carrying pictures of Chaiman Mao, you aren't gonna make it with anyone anyhow." Truth is truth and is very inconvenient at times, isn't it? If there is more than one truth, it's not true. I hope you find truth, He is looking for you or I wouldn't still be replying to you. Here's truth, I love you, regardless of the chasm of differences, I still love you and would sacrifice my life for you if I was asked to. That's the truth. Shalom and may you find the Order of Melkizedek in your lifetime.

Excuse me!!!?? You want to coopt and bastardize John Lennon too...remember his words in Imagine: A world without religion too. I can just imagine how much better this world would be if all the religious fundamentalists disappeared from this planet.

Your father taught you that Jews are good with money, and that hate is the sins of your father that you will carry with you to the forth generation unless you change.

Almost missed this, thought you wouldn't talk with me any more. John Lennon is in my camp, I also want to eliminate religion from our world... just as Jesus did. Have you seen the letters John wrote to Oral Roberts, Billy Graham and other Christian preachers? He was searching for truth and according to O.R., he may have found it. And I wouldn't think I'd have to remind anyone that he moved to America mostly to escape high taxes in Great Britain.
As for the Jewish people and money, they have a Blessing upon them to know what to do with money if they are tied to their source of light. That is just a matter of fact and certainly nothing wrong with it or acknowledging the fact. It's a gift and one I would cherish.
Blessings and curses are and always have been a choice in this life. What you point out is fact that is stated to help us not hurt us. God doesn't hurt us we do it to our selves. I choose to Bless the Jewish people any chance I can get and also Israel. I would highly recommend a visit there if you can.

Ahhhh Saaaaayyyyyyiiii read ya bable sinners and submit to the smelly anus of Jes-us. And I don't give your anus what Anal Roberts or any other right wing preacher has to say. And I am glad you love us Jeeeeyuuuuusss. Gee I wouldn't know which hand to wipe with if it wasn't for Hitler hunting us down and focing us to go back to the hooooooly land....yuk yuk and nyuck. Man considering you, no wonder Republicans took the house last November. Now send me your address so I can send your wife a mohel's sacred tools so that she can give you a circumcision and a second circumcision. It's the nutz.

Don't talk about my mother or about the kind of teacher I am. You're the one that believes in a religion, like Islam, that believes it has the monopoiy on the truth. In additon, your theological anti-Semitism exposes you further as the religious hypocrite you are. As John Lennon said: Imagine a world without Religion too...If only it were so.

Hey, I'm trying to agree with you about JL. And I'm just trying to save a drowning man with a love that is greater than life itself. Some just aren't ready to be set free, really free. Someday I hope you'll see we're fighting the same fight on religion. As I've said, there can only be one truth or no truth. There is no middle ground. No truth is pretty hopeless and sad, I prefer hope. I hope for you. So long brother.

The dilemma he portrays is all because of govenmental interference and he wants to expand that? Talk to small business people, they know what works and what doesn't. These guys in ivory towers have no idea how bad it is going to get unless we reboot. This is all divisive stuff, a house divided will not stand. I miss America the Beautiful. Keith, you are too late, they've already taken away our freedoms.

What do you mean by "reboot." I love America the Beautiful, too. We have many freedoms; we mistake freedoms for "rights." There are no rights; there are only privileges.

The tea party is a joke. Thanks, ingsoc1984.

Great commentary, thank you so much.

One of the spiritual principles of the Iroquois was that whatever legislation they enacted in the Long House took into consideration the well-being of the seventh generation to come. This was one of the principles left out of our U.S. Constitution. The idea of freedom and equality was also borrowed from the Iroquois. A lot of people don't know that Benjamin Franklin helped organize meetings between the chiefs of the Iroquois and the Founding Fathers in the 1750s. Mr. Franklin also wrote a number of essays, including one entitled "The Savages of North America," a satire on the American Indians.

In the Long House, where they had their governmental council meetings, each member spoke at length sharing his ideas and what was called his "piece of the vision." While that person spoke, and the next one and the one after that, and so on, there was complete silence on the part of everyone else; he was given undivided attention. After he sat down there was a long silence so that the spirit behind the words could also be heard. The silence was so lengthy, also, so that if the speaker remembered something he wanted to add to what he had just said, he would have plenty of time to stand up and do so. That way everyone could hear what was in everyone's heart on the deepest level.

The Long House was imbued with an atmosphere of silence, sharing, and respect.

Benjamin Franklin compared this scenario to the one found in the white man's governmental chambers, where speakers had to shout to be heard and were constantly interrupted by other speakers who were more than eager to argue and shout them down; in other words, a scene of total chaos and madness.

You and I, and others here, are sharing all the information we've discovered so that others may be informed and perhaps choose more wisely. We're not telling anyone what to think or believe, but I join you in asking everyone to please consider the little ones in our world today, and further, "the seventh generation to come."

Google Annie Leonard and The Story of Stuff.
Also, John Taylor Gatto, and his eye-opening book, 'Weapons of Mass Instruction.

I love your knowledge of the American Indians. I thank you for this very fine post. We have a great deal to learn from these wonderful people and a great deal to make up for ruining their country.

Thank You very much again!!!!

I call the tea party "teajadists." Their actions are indeed recklessly irresponsible; beyond that, they are extremely hypocritical and stupid.

I could not have said this better myself...thank you, and I hope more people like you are out there...By the way, the most recent attack in this class war was won by dictator in waiting Chris Christie of New Jersey who succeeded, thanks to tainted NJ Democrats, in eliminating collective bargaining on health issues for all NJ's public workers. Sorry for the rhetoric, but I would love to stomp on this guy's empy fascist corporate loving head.

Use 'em or lose 'em!

wonderful comment, gypsysailor, thank you!

You're wrong. They don't even have a small brain. You were too generous with them .

your awesome and I agree Pea party

still in the aquatic stage of evolution

The Pea Party! I like that!
Here's another one: The "me party" as in me, me, me and screw you, you, you.
Or the wee party - as in wee, wee, wee, all the way home . . . whiny republicans . . .

Well said.

I'd like to buy a tricorner hat!!. And I sure miss Ward Bond.

He's on EWestern every afternoon!

Yikes! Hope not!

They, no doubt, pee in the tea, anyway.

Who are you talking about?
Who do you think is the villain?
The man who was slandered, or the organization that slandered him?
Or are you saying you actually believe the lies FOX said about the man?

Calling Van Jones a villain is like calling Jesus Christ a devil.

LOL

He's not a villain, he is someone who thinks very differently than I do, that's for sure. Fox is reporting and expounding on politics, CNN is pushing gay rights, they all have their bents. Truth comes from hearing unedited video, audio of the person themselves. What is in the heart comes out our mouths. I've heard enough to know that this man is trying to create anarchy and is good at it. Only he can address his motives.

First, you say:
"This guy is like one of those villains in the hollywood movies that never dies!"

Then, you say:
"He's not a villain, he is someone who thinks very differently than I do."

Well, at least you mellowed your rhetoric.

And finally, you say:
" I've heard enough to know that this man is trying to create anarchy and is good at it."

Then you jump right back on the hyperbolic bandwagon.

You have obviously NOT heard unedited video and audio of the person himself. You have only seen FOX propaganda that you falsely believe was unedited.

Just the fact that you would even SLIGHTLY think he's an anarchist shows that you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

Kindly, give a few examples of how Van Jones is trying to create anarchy. I know the GOP and the tea baggers are trying to create a corporate totalitarian oligarchy out of our country. In states like Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Maine, Florida, Michigan, and New Jersey, worker rights are being violated. In Kansas, you can't even get an abortion, and the GopTaliban in the house are threatening not to raise the debt ceiling for money already owed unless they can gut Social Security, Medicare, and the middle and working classes with them. So tell me, what kind of threat does Van Jones pose for this country?

By the way, this is not "gang up on bothwingextremist day" , but I really DO want you to take the time if you have it to compose a post illustrating all the ways you think this man is a threat. Pretend that I am one of those snobby dumb ass New York phoney liberals who would at least pretend they are listening to you. Does he threaten to take away collective bargaining as Christie of New Jersey and Walker of Wisconsin did? Does he want women who need abortions to sit through unnecessary lectures on why they should not excercise their rights and then have to get unnecessary medical tests as well just as Perry of Texas demands?

I am not trying to be sarcastic here. I sense that you are a thinking person, and like me, is wary of trusting any politician, pundit, or Fox Quasi-Newsperson. I mean tell me that Van Jones is threatening to not raise the debt celing unless he get billions of dollars in cuts to the people who need the services most.

By the way, better anarchy then oligarchy, but I would rather stick to my democratic republic. I hope one day this republic will no longer be tainted by plutocracy, but at least it is not conrolled by the Koch brothers...YET, just by other rich people. How long did the Roman republic last before it became a dictatorship? Do you think that this country is immune to that kind of deadly change? Think again.

He's a Communist is he not? Communism is counterproductive to the constitution. If you aren't for it, you're against it. Everything you say you know sounds like it's fed by the media, if that's the case then I'm not going to ever change your mind. You speak in generalities that box everything up neatly. Unfortunately that's not the case in the real world.

When did collective bargaining become a right. Is that in our constitution anywhere? When did killing unprotected babies become a right? It didn't it became a law. I am a thinking person, I get my information just like anyone else and then I have to sift through the hyperbole to see the truth. The truth is, nobody gives us the news without their slant anymore. Networks are the worst, CNN is close behind... BBC is the closest to fair and balanced I've found. You seem stuck on the debt ceiling... don't you realize we are already busted? There is a day of reckoning due and all we're doing is putting it off to where it will be much more painful. It's time to let the system fail and start over. Everyone is trying to get what they can before that day. That is truth. Take the red pill Neo. You state the words democratic republic together. Do you know they are two totally different things? We were created as a Republic and have gradually changed into a democracy. Democracy only stands until the general people figure out they can vote for whatever gets them more. A republic is about giving and helping your neighbor and the freedom to do anything that is not harmful to others. Van Jones is about taking from people to spread it the way he would like. I prefer to give willingly. You talk of the Koch brothers but not of Soros, there can be no separating them.

Read what I write and don't mix them into the concoction you want it to say. I didn't say Jones was a villain. I compared him to a role in a movie that keeps coming back. Mr. Jones has been revealed, his past has come out and he's unapologetic for his thinking. His ideas are bad for our nation and he's no different than Al Gore prospering on these crazy ideas. Fox propaganda? Is that different in some way than CNBC propaganda? or CNN propaganda? No, the people at Fox reflect many of my views though. I believe in America, I believe in the Constitution and what the Declaration of Indepedence stated and that is what our country stands on. A house divided will not stand. Do you know who said that? I'm willing to bet you don't. The media does nothing but divide our country. The media is the problem not the solution. So I'm curious what is it about Mr. Jones that makes you vehemently defend him.

You say:
"I compared him to a role in a movie that keeps coming back."

You compared him to a villain who keeps coming back- heroes keep coming back too.
Heck, Buffy died twice! Will you compare him to Buffy? Noooo....

You say:
"Mr. Jones has been revealed, his past has come out and he's unapologetic for his thinking. His ideas are bad for our nation and he's no different than Al Gore prospering on these crazy ideas."

In other words, you believe the flat-out LIES about the man that were spread by FOX News. I repeat- LIES. FALSEHOODS. UNTRUTHS.

You say:
"Fox propaganda? Is that different in some way than CNBC propaganda? or CNN propaganda?"

Oh yes- FOX was created as a propaganda wing of the Republican party. Didn't you see the documents dating back to the Nixon administration, when it was first planed as the American Pravda?

The other News organizations are NOT propaganda- they simply want ratings by titillating the masses with stories about penises.

You say:
"No, the people at Fox reflect many of my views though."

That is why you are so willing to believe their lies, when they conform to the views you already have. Propaganda is a highly effective tool.

You say:
"I believe in America, I believe in the Constitution and what the Declaration of Indepedence stated and that is what our country stands on. A house divided will not stand. Do you know who said that? I'm willing to bet you don't."

The only reason you believe that, is because you believe lies from FOX News that say that those OTHER people are Anti-American and against the Constitution.

Do you actually think Lincoln would have supported FOX news?

You say:
"The media does nothing but divide our country. The media is the problem not the solution. So I'm curious what is it about Mr. Jones that makes you vehemently defend him."

That is MY POINT.

FOX News does nothing but divide our country.
FOX News is the problem, not the solution.
FOX News is why you vehemently attack Mr. Jones.

THAT IS MY POINT.

You believe Mr Jones' ideas are bad for this nation, when your whole knowledge OF his ideas are lies told to you by FOX news.

You too speak in generalities my friend, and when you say that Van Jones is a communist, where do you get THAT information? I get my informantion from reading, MSNBC, Current, and my own observations. Just like you...but understand this, when a right winger talks the way I do, everything is wonderful, but when a left leaning person speaks that way, he is suddenly accused of generalizations etc. Let's not have a double standard here.

You say a great many things here that reflect a tea bagger mentality. Example: let the debt ceiling fail...ok let's examine this...First of all, we have never had any problem raising the debt ceiling. It was always done by both the right and the left. The debt ceiling deals with money already borrowed, NOT new debts. When you say let it fail, do you mean that you want our country to go into default? Do you mean you don't want our soldiers to be paid? Do you mean that people who depend on the government for their Social Security checks should not get them? Obviously, you can give a shit right? If the idiot voters did not did not bring in the Repulican Taliban for the midterms, we would not even be having this discussion. The turds simply want to do anything they can to make sure this president fails. If raising the debt ceiling would make Obama fail, they would all be agreeing to raise it. As for the constitution, this is an evolving document, not a static one as you seem to suggest. Thanks to evolving nature of this document, we have one of the most unique countries in the world. Slavery was abolished. Women were given the right to vote. Abortion was legalized. This country was not founded to be a rich person's haven. It is a country that is embued with the best of free enterprise along with the best of socialism (the social contract). The Republican Taliban could care less about the social contract nor do they care about the unrich.

In my country, the poor, the helpless, the sick, the elderly, the very young, our soldiers are taken care of. In my country, I pay my taxes so that you can afford to send you kids to school. In my country, I pay taxes to take care of you or your sick parents if necessary. But I guess in your country, only the rich should get all the benefits and the poor nothing because the latter got there through their own fault, so f--- them as Ayn Rand would say. No my friend, my country is not the country of the Koch Brothers, the Michelle Bachmanns, the John Boehners. My country is the country where you have opportunities, but if somehow you don't make it, at least in this country we don't let you hang upsidedown in a toilet bowel. That is where that social safety net comes in. You may not care about this, but I do.

I am a retired person on a pension. Thank the Goddess for my union and for Social Security and Medicare. A near middle classer like me gets a little taste of what it is like to be a rich person. And when they decide to raise my federal taxes (which I still pay), they can raise yours by 2 dollars and mine by 20. I want this so that I can do everything I can to help all those who need it. This does not mean that I am a nice person. I just think that money should be used for the good of all AND for the good of me. And I worked 30 years in the New York City school system, and earned every penny of what I get now in retirement.

PS A fetus is not a baby. Collective bargaining is part of the spirit of our constitution. Also, and I know you won't like this: I believe every member of the Republican Party (or any party) who receives gifts from the Koch brothers should be charged with treason and then shot. Why do I say they should be charged with treason? Because they ally themselves with corporations instead of with the American people. This new Republican Taliban party is a bigger threat to our country than the terrorists are, and if you need me to cite examples of why I think this way, just ask and you shall receive.

By the way, Van Jones is to extremist liberals what the tea baggers are to extremist conservatives. I am glad we have more and more big mouthed liberals right in the faces of the right wing scum. And Stephen Colbert started his own Pac. GREAT!!!

I am not here to convert you, This is an open forum for serious people who want to state their opinions about serious issues. We, all of us, can then respond if we feel moved to. If you don't like my views or mine yours...too f---ing bad.

My use of the term plutocratic democratic republic for the kind of government we have. Let me clarify. Our country is a plutocracy because rich people rule us: the bad rich (Republican Taliban) and the good rich (the Democrats), Now all we need is the wicked rich of the west to really F us the F up. We have a democracy to the extent that we can vote either for the evil rich party or the good rich party. It is a republic because only a few select people or groups are in power.

Convert YOU??? HAIL NO!!!!!!

PS It is quite ignorant of me to refer to you as a right winger when your screen name is bothwingextremist....sorry about that...Even the great are allowed to be shitheads sometimes...too bad that I am not even great.

1. I compared him to a villain, not calling him one. 2. Who in the world is Buffy? 3. I believe no news report unless I witnessed it myself. You are sadly deceived by the bias in whatever form you are hearing it. You see, I don't watch Fox news, I don't watch much news at all. You jump to conclusions and more dangerously because of the news reports you hear. And you are slightly wrong about who said "A house divided.." Lincoln was quoting one greater than himself, Jesus Christ. That is my only point.

You are great, you have so much gold inside you and the only problem I see is that you don't see it. My screen name is simply a joke... an eagle needs both wings to fly and the guidance is the key. At this moment in history, the media has done such an incredible job of dividing our nation, our thinking and our motives and it's not the proper guidance system. We will crash and burn if we don't turn them all off. To quote and old movie, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" My only point from the very beginning was we don't need another hero and politcal action group. The question and vilification of the rich has got to stop. It's not their fault! There is a shadow government and the plan is to take it all from us. The poorest of the poor in our country would be considered very well off in 180 other countries in this world. We have way too much and want for way too much. The only right we really own is to help and love one another, I don't believe our government is the way to do that, period. How many failures does it take for us to see that?

No, he is NOT a Communist.
You are proving my point- you don't know anything about the man but falsehoods, and you blindly believe those falsehoods.

Everything YOU said WAS fed by the media.

You say:
"My only point from the very beginning was we don't need another hero and political action group."

You know, it's impossible to practice revisionist history on a website like this.
All of your previous comments are still here, right on this page, for anyone to simply scroll up and read.

You were not, in ay sense at all, simply saying that we don't need another hero or political action group.

You were attacking Van Jones on a personal level, and repeating the lies you heard from the right-wing media.

Backpedaling and denials just don't work- you could man up and admit you were wrong about Van Jones, and state that he is simply an individual that you disagree with, but to deny your inflammatory rhetoric when it is still right here on this page is astounding.

First of all, you do not understand the character Howard Beale in the movie Network. I understand that character so much that I named my blog "Mad As Hell". Second I happen to love your screen name. You say that you use it as a joke. I would also say that the name is also humorously ironic. I happen to like irony by the way. Anyway, you remind me of the character Joker, played by Matthew Modine in the Kubrick picture "Full Metal Jacket." This character wore a helmet that said something like "born to kill" and also a peace sign button on his uniform. When questioned by a hard assed officer, Joker responded in respectful military fashion: "I wanted to suggest the duality of man, sir." So you see, your use of this name suggests to me a brain at work. I may not always agree with this brain, but when I do disagree, I must remember to do it strongly but with respect.

Sadly, we may need a real progressive liberal like Van Jones or Bernie Sanders to run for president because this one is reported to have caved in to the Republican Taliban on Social Security and Medicare because he was afraid that the morons would not raise the debt ceiling. In other words, these right wing slime have won the game of chicken, and President Obama has become a capitulator in chief. The Republican turds are working very hard to make Obama a one term president. Yesterday, the president helped this cursed slime balls put a nail into his political coffin. Sad and tragic for all of us who thought we were voting for a progressive.

Thanks for posting Keith Olbermann. I was able to get a live feed of his program but they have now nuked that site. Cablevision does not carry Current.

But since we know that the Republicans are working very hard to make Obama a one term president, that is exactly why it should not be a nail in his political coffin.

We need to make sure that WE do not capitulate to the Republicans.

We need to make sure that Obama gets a second term, and that Democrats fill the House and Senate, and ensure that liberal democrats win the primaries.

You are right. I apologize. I do not know the man. I do know I'm tired of hearing the wrong information he keeps feeding people... like his lies 1, 2 and 3. Number one especially, we are most definitely broke. So far beyond broke it's not funny. All debt owed in America is estimated around 65 trillion and all assets added up are about 30 trilion. That's from an independent financial man who was high up in the government treasury dept. Do the math. If I owed $300,000 and had the ability to pay $150,000 of it total, that would be broke am I right? Sorry for my venting. The imflamation is only in the hearing not in my heart that's for sure.

Howard Beale was a fictional character. I am more in tune with non fictional figures who actually stand for hope, faith and love. Jesus is my mentor. I appreciate what you had to say. One thing I don't understand though is how many people resort to name calling on sites like these. Republican Taliban, morons and the like do nothing good for anyone and does make it hard to 1. communicate effectively and 2. take the person seriously. My daddy always says, what is in the heart comes out of the mouth... or keyboard as the case is.

In this day and age of all things being recorded and posted, it's impossible to escape what you say in public. Have you heard the speeches without commentary? One in particular that just made my head spin was at Guilford College, 1/19/2011. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... good chance it's a duck. I know he stated he was a communist according to the biography I read online. It's possible that was manipulated but I know media programs and I don't see any evidence of editing some of the speeches he gave and there is no confusing what he stands for, social justice is a great idea just as communism is a great idea. The problem is: neither will work without bringing anarchy.

You say:
"You are right. I apologize. I do not know the man."

That was big of you to say.

You say:
"I'm tired of hearing the wrong information he keeps feeding people..."

Have you read his books? Have you heard his long and detailed explanations for his comments? Or do you simply take them as superficial statements out of context as presented to you from right wing media sources?

I understand that Howard Beale is a fictional character, a piece of literary and cinema art. Beale is supposed to symbolize serious news people like E.R. Murrow who simply go nuts reporting on our insane asylum. I am tired of how this character and his slogan has been co-opted by right wing religious wackos like Carl Paladino. I did not like that Keith Olbermann compared Beale to Lonesome Rhodes, another fictional character, who appeared in the movie "Face In The Crowd" and starred Andy Griffith in one of his best roles. The first and only example I will cite right now is that Beale was never a demigogue. Rhodes on the other hand was.

Jesus happens to be a fictional character as well, at least the version you believe in. If he was able to come back like you believe, he would think that you all are mushugenahs.

As for my use of name calling. I spent the first two years of Obama's presidency being innundated with hateful tea bagger crap. They compared Obama to Hitler. Called him a socialist (which isn't a bad thing). One Republicturd even called the president a liar. Sharron Angle told her followers to go out and buy guns if she loses against Harry Reid. Sarah Palin drew targets on Democrats faces. My name calling them is my way of feeding back to them what they have been feeding to me. I don't believe in a tea party movement. I have stated before it is a fake movement started by the Koch brothers to undermine our democratic plutocratic republic. They would rather see a plutocratic oligarchy instead. You are goddamed right I am going to call these dick heads names. The extremists have crawled out of their fecal stained toiilets to dump their rot on the rest of us. Not on my watch, pal. Now if Republicans have the right to do and say what they want no matter how nasty or hateful it is, I have a right to do the same thing. I don't expect to convert these people. And I don't expect them to take me seriously either unless I had the riches to undermine them in return. However, there are some people on this page who agree with me and do take me seriously. If they don't that is their right as well.

Now I reserve the right to denigrate the Republican Party and any public official or celebrity I choose. However, I should try to reframe from denigrating you or anyone else who disagrees with me. People as myself who post to these pages are not generally public officials. Therefore, I can disagree with them but not to the point of calling them names.

If Obama capitulates to these extremists, he sadly will be a one term president. I understand that a president must govern from the middle, something Republicans don't know how to do, but as a Democratic president, he should not be talking about undermining democratic party principles. He should not be talking about cutting spending and taxes. If he is the Democratic party standard bearer in spite of his alleged support for cutting Social Security and Medicare, I will still vote for him as long as Bernie Sanders or Van Jones aren't running. I voted for a progressive president not one who would compromise our country and turn it over to the koch brothers.

I actually have a wait and see atitude. You and I know that compromise with these extremists will not generate support for this president in his reelection bid., I am actually cautiously optimistic that the voters will come to their senses in 2012 and vote the Republican slime out, WAY OUT!!

Here's their replacement site! LOL

http://www.justin.tv/crrnttv#/w/1456688320/4

Thank you again for this!!! You did not have to do this...I hope you get everything you desire, especially a fair salary, good health benefits, and a generous pension.

I don't believe a whole speech recorded and posted by his group is considered right wing media. I won't waste my money on his books, I don't have that much money to waste. I prefer to give it into things that bear fruit, such as food for the hungry.