The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America

only if youre a leftylib historical revisionist

thats right, white evil

maybe not such a big surprise to you or i but i am sure it is a big surprise to many people. education is power

nice spin persi, youve been working overtime

i feel for you dude and there is no excuse for bigotry regardless to who's on the receiving end. but one has to eventually quit blaming others, take responsibility for themselves, and move on. those are the folks who we can call successful. although some prefer uncle tom

nope, not off the hook. just a broader grouping of those affected

yes but the vast majority of whites in america came on their own free will... they were not stripped of their heritage, culture, language, and religion, then treated enslaved, then freed only to be beaten and killed and treated like garbage for another 200 years... your perspective is so warped

and i'd like to know where this history lesson came from... some right wing bastard making up his own history to fit his agenda... am i right? yes... i am...

sorry if history is too difficult for you to handle persi

yes, some of them were. and some of them just like black slaves were treated quite well and lived happily ever after

Gr8 Veribiage!

Nicely put.

dude you make a couple of valid points. but the dems have continued the course of slavery by creating a government folks are overly dependent on. if you rely on someone else for your existence than you shall never be free

Sorry, we are all dependant on each other. I suppose jobs are a bad thing too. I mean, you are a "slave" because you are dependent on your employer to pay you.

true, but to some degree by choice. if we hate a job we can quit. but i would rather work hard at minimum wage than accept handouts intended for those truly in need

we're already there zoomy. but at least we still have a vague choice

not jobs ( jobs pay ) But I agree w/ the comment.

no i am not trying to rewrite history, that is a tactic of the left. nor am i trying to race bait, another tactic of the left. yes slavery is slavery whether black or white. suffering is subjective, some slaves both black and white were treated quite well and lived comfortable lives. others both black and white were tortured mercilessly. so yeah i guess i am saying slavery was basically the same for anyone of any race. sorry if you find truth and history so distrubing. reality's a bitch sometimes, especially when your view of it is so narrow

I don't think they are equal, but I don't think it's race baiting. It's our history, warts and all.

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so your people have also suffered? i feel for you man

We suffered so much that more than 60 of his decedents went on to fight in the revolutionary war.

a great heritage, you should be proud

The only thing I'm not so proud of is the fact that I appear to be related to Bush. But I'm also related to the first Surgeon General of the US so I think that balances it out.

wow for a north idaho warrior you sure seem to have some history

Well my family has been here from the beginning so we have been rather involved. From writing what has been branded the first personality test, to getting our very own battle cruiser, which the US then gave to Italy and they scraped the bastards, we have been around the block. We even have our own very own "political family" apparently we were the Kennedy's of the 1800's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodworth_political_family

hey, sorry if the truth distorts our version of reality

only parts of convinience seem to be applied.

both(tea party and open racists) endorse policies that literaly would mean that they literaly would not benefit from.like by supporting infanite attacks on illegal aliens whilst forgetting that they themselves, as citizens are the result of the very thing they are claiming is wrong.making themselves wrong.

they ignore the reality that thier european ass's are of immigrants themselves.in action stating that we are a nation comprised of people who sought freedom.that inherent desire alone,is the greatest concept upon the rest is built.the desire for freedom.

the part you guys like to ignore,is all these illegals are victims of the political bullshit.they are just people who seek freedom as all of our ancestors did.the fact that the country they come from doesnt have a gov w/ a special deal with our gov,doesnt make thier quest any less legitimate than that wich is our inheritance.

and they are free to do so when using the proper channels. the difference being most of us come from legal immigation heritage. the issue has never been immigration, just the legal and proper means of becoming a citizen

"proper channels" is the fucked up part you see as some valid concept that supercedes the human desire for freedom wich we are all here as a result of.

so we took a pen to some paper, and all of a sudden what was good enough for us is illegal for them?

most of us are not legal.if you think that you really gotta do some serious homework on this

guess this is where we differ on the rule of law. we have a difficult enough time sustaining our current population. i am all for allowing folks to live and work here as long as they remain productive members but i also believe in accountability and documentation.

strict adherence to the rule of law, as it seems you prefer,would serve as antithetical to progress.if not actively questioned and protested when would unjust laws be changes to just ones?

im with you on the productive part, but not at the point of saying "go back to your third world shit hole and starve to death" as a result of not being productive.cut them off from social securtiy,welfare,or what ever else by wich they could cause a social burden.

but no persecution should be tolerated

never said that. but if they arent going to be productive members of society and seek admission and residency through some type of legal means then they should be forced to go back to their 3rd world shit hole. at the very least we should be charging the mexican government say a barrel of oil per week per alien for our gracious hospitality

what ever happened (mr religious) to opening your door to those in need?
sukkot dont matter anymore?

sure it does. but we're doing a pretty shitty job of taking care of our own. too many celebs adopting foreign babies and trying to save other parts of the world. i say charity starts at home and that we should do more to feed our own hungry kids. if mexico werent so corrupt they could also care for their own, instead the mexican government encourages people to go north. less folks for them to have to worry about. if a starving family legal or otherwise knocked on my back door asking for food of course i would feed them a meal but i cant support them indefinitely.

and its always been wrong. we just need to know our history, to spread a little of the guilt around and to avoid repeating it

Thank you! I love u too.

Don't start this crap. Ziggy, like you, is entitled to his opinion and to express it without having to hear stupid and unwarranted personal attacks.

you got it ziggs, slavery is slavery. it dont matter if youre white, black, yellow, brown. its just plain wrong. always was. always will be. folks of all races have suffered under the man and we are all brothers under the skin. sorry if you find history so difficult. i myself find it quite cathartic.

in reality youll find more racists on the left. but theyre closeted. some so ignorant they dont even see it within themselves

I'm fully cognizant of History CB, False equivalences, and revisionism appear to be your choice for interpreting it. There is no question that these things happened. The problem is your twisted presentation. What was the point of this article but to throw some race cards on the table. If you want to talk smack be prepared to get dissenting responses.

Sam talks straight, we differ but I respect his opinions, you are a poor excuse for a sophist. You can write a novel and not get a rise out of me.
To be brow beaten by "you" is a joke.

Thanks Sam he doesn't understand freedom of thought, or speech.

The source of all sin is treating people as things.

You can compete with Palin and Beck for inflamatory baseless accusations. Climbing inside yourself to distinguish between racism and self doubt is tough.

My measure is that you should show respect to all. It is when you start to denigrate someone or a whole group because of "race" or religion or ethnicity.... It is a hard one to pull off, but I think Will Rogers oft misquoted statement

"I never met a man I COULDN'T like." says it better than most.

Are we all racists because we think about culture and how it affects us? Are we all racists because we consider the argument before we discard it? Are we all racists because our lizard brain can so easily be triggered by fear of the unknown. By fear that the different coloured skin implies more basic differences or enmities....

well put capt and almost totally agreed. but inflamatory baseless accusations are not just a beck/palin phenomenon. the left has their own pundits who could also be accused of such things. if everyone were honest with themselves they would indeed see that racism lies within all of us. its what we do about it that truly matters.

slavery is slavery. black, white, yellow, brown. all bad, all equivalent. no revisionism. nothing twisted. some folks just dont like admiting that theres plenty of guilt to be spread around. your opinion of me is irrelevent. your opinion in regard to my posts is as welcome as anyone elses as mine is to the posts i comment on. i dont brow beat but if i did you'd be on the losing end

I am probably too old for this, but when I read things that Bill Clinton said about how twenty years ago Obama would have been serving him coffee,
I would have to have been in the room and heard the tone of his voice to know if it was racist. When I first heard the comparisons between Obama and Curious George, I couldn't tell but it didn't take long to see that those were hurtful and and racist comments.

It is a sad world where we never hear the timber of a man's voice before we judge them.

I tend to err on the side on the side of being too kind, and too understanding, because I can't hear the voice.

tone definitely makes a difference. when reading a comment in writing its very difficult to judge. thats why i am sometimes accused of things that are not true either. good that you err on the side of compassion though. but you know had george bush made the coffee serving comment we'd still be hearing about it.

not worse, the same. but whites got it first

Whites got it first? We have got at least 10,000 years of common history to sort that one out, and the evidence is pretty hard to distinguish. Just try and figure out what coour skin the three kings/wisemen/philosphers/astronomers had... Were the first slaves Aryan because the first culture was in the Indus Valley? And were those Aryans what you would call "White"??? I generally think they are closer to what you would denigrate as "Gypies",

i stand corrected. my reference was to america after colonial occupation. slavery is almost as old as mankind. the jews, christians, greeks, romans, etc. etc. so many people and races have been affected. this does not excuse the way blacks in america were short changed over the years it just gives a broader perspective to an age old problem.

no question that blacks have suffered under white majority rule throughout he world. many people of all race and creeds have suffered at the hands of slave masters. we can not discount the suffering of any person. but eventually we have to grow up, pull up our boot straps and do the best we can with what the world has to offer. it worked well for obama as it did for bush and reagan

hey some of my best friends are white

not in all cases. but there were also blacks who could pay off and attain freedom. at any rate this post isnt to excuse slavery just to remind folks not everything they read or learn is black and white...

According to the first enumeration of residents in Fayette County taken in 1790, there were thirty-two free African Americans. This small group of individuals had purchased their freedom and that of their family members. Some of them helped secure the freedom of other individuals, as well. Before 1861, the number of freed men and women had increased to nearly six hundred. These men and women bought and built homes, purchased other real estate and paid taxes; the businesses they owned and managed provided service to the growing Lexington community. Their names appear in deeds as trustees of churches and educational institutions and in written histories and news articles concerning the upward movement of African Americans in the decades after 1865. http://www.hathawaymuseum.org/freeblacks.html

thanks for the input wm. many folks know very little about american history thanks to the revisionists and apologists. it is unfortunate that many will pass this post up for fear of seeing some truth

certainly a family history to be proud of. thanks for your personal input on this grave black mark on america's forgotten slaves

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I'm aware of the injustices perpetrated on the Irish and newcomers on general. I do draw a line at the enslavement of black people in America. Indentured service, kidnapping, abuse are horrible. But blacks were dehumanized. At least your ancestor was considered human, and could seek recourse. Some of mine were enslaved during the crusades, almost half were Irish, and Scottish. It still all pales compared to slavery in America.

Zig, I agree that the degradation suffered by black slaves was worse than what happened to other races in the US. Some of the treatment of enslaved Indians is pretty shameful as well. Our history includes slavery of every race, but the average high school grad probably doesn't know that.

all slaves are dehumanized, its part of the process. but im not sure anything pales to the crusades my friend. just depends on your version of spin

another intersting note is that there were native american slave owners as well. the cherokee were merciless.

I don't have a version of spin, I'm not here to push half truths like you are.

so tell me what half truth of mine are you referring?

sometimes bein a slave can be fun

O' ya!! Hows that ??

i'll tell ya in a couple of years

in a couple of years ? like why..we just might be then..and it'll be to late..

That's mighty white of you to say Congoboy

you sure are presumptuous of my heritage ziggs

Now there you again with the nonsense. I don't care if you are purple. I see your statements not your color. My statement is not relegated to White people, it's used to point out racist dogma. Which is what your presentation of colored (no pun intended) truisms is. What was the point to give a history lesson?
Thanks Congoboy, I'll take a pass. I prefer mine to be quoted from a reliable source not the ramblings of a revisionist.

my point is always to show the other side or sides of things. i tire of whitey always takin the blame. there are no living african american slaves nor are there any living slave owners. its long past time to forgive, pull up our boot straps, quit blaming others, get responsible and productive with our lives and move forward. i dont know what he is but the documentaion he uses is available elsewhere. even a few testimonials on this thread

Get a checkup, I'm sure a few screws are loose.

No, that'd be racist... lawl

always have been. keeps life interesting and freeing

what would be racist my friend?

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