The Impossible and the Inevitable - The Greeks are now being forced to sell their country to satisfy the bankers.

The Teahadists! Good one!

China is buying us stealthily and persistently. We'll be boiled alive before we know enough to jump out of the pot.

..., and the rest of the union...

It's available, all we have to do is collectively recognize that's what it is.

True, despite how much we would like it not to be true.

Agreed. It's all the "privatize everything that can be" crowd could ever hope for. If we aren't careful, privatizing our own National Park Service will eventually happen.....

Let it go. It's not just the republicans. What the man is talking about is a global cabal of the financial elite. We are all fucked unless we fight back.

Ya since liberal ideas, and corrupt unions drove greece into a shithole.

Where the hell did you get that?
Oh- FOX News, of course.

It was rich people not paying their fair share in taxes that turned Greece into a shithole.

Greece, Ireland, England, Spain, Protugal and other European countries are under attack by the invisible hand of the "Free" Market and the invisible hand is sodomizing their economies with the dildo of austerity measures. Stop shoveling your shit in my direction because it aint wanted here!

0 1-12,000
18 12,001-16,000
24 16,001-22,000
26 22,001-26,000
32 26,001-32,000
36 32,001-40,000
38 40,001-60,000
40 60,001-100,000
45 100,001 and over

Pretty sure 45% of their pay check is their fair share. People retiring at 48 with out of control pensions, and unaffordable medical care is the reason of Greece collapse. What makes you so entitled. That you think the rich should have to pay for your life.

Or the fact that they dont really do anything in those countries, but be lazy as fuck. They retire at 48, and expect the top 2% to take care of them until they die. Ive been to Spain ive seen the people "living" instead of "working.

I love how people like you make wealthy people out to be victims. I don't know what world you live in but I'm not interested in living in it. Take your guff and tell it to the devil!

I don't know where you got the numbers and I don't care- what the tax rates are does not indicate what people actually PAY.

Greece is well known for huge tax loopholes, and the rich pay practically nothing.

When the government gets no income, the government collapses.

I am with you brother. I am with you. It is time to stop kidding ourselves.

We must face the facts.

And we all fall down....

yep, order out of chaos.

His reality has become prophetic. Simple, smart and to the point. Who could disagree?

Well said Sah !

Yikes to your diatribe.

As a firm believer in the dignity of Unionized labor, I understand that some unions can be corrupt. As can every other organisation in any facet of life. Your opening statement seems to paint the whole problem with the same brush and wreaks of right wing idealogy. It would be great if you could support your observation that organized working class families who sit at a bargaining table simply to earn a living wage caused the entire economy of a country to collapse. Thank you.

Many of the unions were probably lead by corrupted politicians but the problem is that the wealthy controlled the unions and they threw the workers under the bus. They lose everything and those that created the problem suffer very little or not at all.

Violence happens even to those not inclined to violence but when your life and the lives of your family members are at stake, it can push even the most docile over the edge. I consider myself very nonviolent but if someone were to threaten a member of my family or me, I would probably react with appropriate violence to subdue and stop the attack.

I, too, believe in collective bargaining and this Country's need to get back to understanding that unions are not trying to take jobs away from anyone (as the "right to work" States would have us all believe). We need to ensure that our own unions are clean and independent.

Over the past couple of decades too many unions have become involved in activities which could be construed as conflict of interest. Our unions should not be selling anything to its members; not insurance, not pensions, not anything that they subsequently earn an additional income from. Our unions should live not beyond the means of the ability of members to pay dues. We see too often that unions have abused their power by creating little empires that its own members are not allowed to question.

Truly, our unions for the most part are great examples of keeping the best interests of their members as their fundamental objective and obligation. Just like with many charitable organizations, they have become so big and take in so much money that they have forgotten why they operate.

When it became allowable for entities to use pension matches as general funds until time to use them, the system failed our workers very badly. When workers pay into their pension funds, the empolyer who bargained in good faith to provide a match or partial match has NOT placed those funds off limits--the continued to use them in an many they chose. This was wrong to start and now when many workers are seeking retirement, the companies are faced with coming up with the funds and many can't find them or don't want to find them. Where did they go? Seeking relief, they sought out the Republican party to nullify their (the companies) liability claiming that the workers are being greedy NOW for something that may have been negotiated maybe fifteen or twenty years earlier.

Blame to go around is all I'm saying!

It's already happened in Bolivia. Bechtel owns the water rights and charges the people up to 25% of their income for the use of it. And get this...they OWN rainwater, too! So, if you were to collect it you could be arrested, fined and thrown in jail!

Bolivia has sold off their public rights to private corporations and you can see what it's done for them. http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/bolivia/thestory.html

This documentary explains in detail what is on our horizon.
http://youtu.be/Pin8fbdGV9Y

TRUE!

good vid! U.S. is definately an EMPIRE that will never change until there is a revolt!

Thank you for this explaination . It has been going on for a long time ....

I completely agree with you.

this has nothing to do w/socialist's. its about owing money to banks and having to sell everything off. Glad you can read!!!

Indeed. Our own country was formed in the violent revolution supported by our socialist founding fathers. Are you serious? There is WAY more at stake in Greece than pension payments. Their government wants to sell off their countries assets. How would you feel if China was allowed to buy the Washington Monument, Yellowstone Park or Mount Rushmore?? Sheez.

Please , watch ushines's vid and be educated .

As usual, every post you make shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

One wonders why you even post- you simply make Conservatives in general look bad; not as if that is hard to do, of course.

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but I will now. There seems to be a concerted global effort to install laissez-faire capitalism around the world. What is happening in Greece is happening all around the world and the US in next. This is why the rethuglicans are being so intransigent on the budget and debt ceiling. If they cause a crisis, they will push even harder for the government to divest itself of things like SS, Medicare, Education. Any services provided by the government to its people will be privatized.

Like most people, I don't know what goes on at the Bilderberg meetings, but this crap is probably at the top of the list.

the abolition of money will come by our consensus when we collectively decide to stop having faith in it at which point we could stop using it. However we should keep talking about this because if a mass loss of faith does occur as things are now we'd simply kill each other in the crisis before eventually re-inventing a replacement currency... we're simple aren't we?

We are , and the options BESIDES currency , need to be more commonly understood . I have been trying to educate people about time banks , for a start . You ?

A predator bank , that puts people in debt so as to take all . That is the game . We are all taught to consume from birth . It was a stacked deck , AGAINST the people . This is global friend . This country is just the one going through the door right now ..... Unless you are lucky , or very very clever ...

does this situation not scream of a conspiracy between usurious banks and corrupt leaders of Greece throughout history to keep Greece in debt with the ultimate conclusion of foreclosing on the country?

XYZ Inc is in everybody's future. We are more than half way there. Back in the 80s, I noticed marquee style signs suddenly went up on school campuses all over Pima County, AZ. The marquess signs were provided by, and advertised for, corporate entities. When that happened, it was pretty obvious the corporate influence was not going to allow for real education and democracy was dead.

There are developers in the US who have been drooling at the prospect of turning our national heritage lands into homes, vacation homes, resorts and other playgrounds for any private citizens who still have some cash to be stolen. Besides privatizing too many services so CEOs can beef up salaries via funds from the US Treasury while also making sure their private sector workers got less pay (thereby paying less personal income tax back into Treasury) less benefits, less purchasing power on Main St, the puppet pols have set about deliberately bankrupting the nation.

Further deregulation of worker safety, environmental protection, anything that protects the common people will continue and then there will be a fire sale of American's heritage lands to deal with the GOP created deficit.

The middle class will soon be gone. The working poor can choke to death on pollution and the Hoarder Class can whoop it up at places formerly known as national treasures and formerly accessible to all.

IOW, they forced the Treasury into a mess we can't get out of and we are all Indians now, heading for poverty on the marginal places the Hoarders don't want to care for.

Yes ! It can and must be done !

It's more likely that foreign entities that we owe TRILLIONS too in the form of bond payments e.g. China and Japan, would be allowed to buy up our national treasures as hard assets when our currency collapses as it inevitably will. At that point US citizens will be acting very much like the Greeks.

Well, foreign investors have ready made American front men.

The basic fact is that countries shouldn't have given up the right to issue the circulating currencies of their countries to private banks. All money is now loaned into existence, with government securities forming the base of the money supply. This system was designed by bankers, for bankers. If the Greeks were smart, they'd take this opportunity to not only exit the Euro, but exit the private central bank model of governance as well.

Disaster Capitalism. Everyone should read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine".

You explain that very well , voted up .

Indeed , it was a trap .

The US situation is entirely different. We have plenty of money to pay back our debt, we've just chosen not to (due to Republicans' tax policies). Greece does not have the money to pay back it's debt, but it's being forced to sell assets to make an attempt to pay.

All it takes is a small, but solidarity resolved, people like the Icelanders
to tell the international Banksters to *#^6! themselves, which they did.
And lo and behold the Icelanders called the bluff of the Usery Cartel.
Result was the sky didn't fall. Their credit borrowing ability was in limbo,
that's all. What people should understand about the Usery cartel of
Banksters is that they're a slavery racket. Banksters entice people
individualy & collectively as nations to sell their freedom for money by
indenture.( Ie, they work to pay off their indentured servitude like the
English who migrated in the holds of ships (steerage) to emigrate to
the New World. They had 7 years to pay off their fare to their master.)
When the too easily obtained debt becomes abusive, they default on
the debt, incur legal judgement, and collection procedures run their
course. If the debtors' liberty can't be forfeit, then their property can.

The insidiousness of allowing a central bank to issue private currency,
which has Government (collective again) obligation to redeem it, per
coins to bailouts with public tax money, should be obvious. The public
Treasury becomes a servant to the Banksters, and we become servants
to the Banksters through the Government in a form of feudal system.
The realy sinister aspect of all this becomes transparent when we realize
that fractionalized reserves=fractionaly devalued money because the
Banksters fraudulently abuse people and nations. They used a printing
press, now computers & a printing press, to fabricate their Monopoly
parlor game currency which has no backing except for working people.
And their game plan is frraud through conversion. They use currency
they fabricate as I. O. U.s to buy up others' property by selling debt.

They admit they create " money " out of thin air, an impossibility, because
they know people are too stupid to understand that real money can
only be coined semi/precious metals...Or something else which has
the quality of being inherently valuable, essential, finite so as to function
as money. As a citizen who's been a History buff, and coin collector
for 50 years, you can trace the financial demise of the USA after 1855
simply by studying the quality & size of the coins the mints produced.
Banksters first destroyed the perfect system of weights & measures
which the free masons put in place to guarantee equality amongst
the classes...And which guaranteed an ample money supply to all.
It only took 10 years, from 1855 to 1865, for the Wall St Banksters
to stop the Treasury mint produced Large Copper Half Cents & Cents
to manipulate farmers with the leverage they'd gained through Fraud.
Then it was too easy to trade in wheat futures, so that the people who
did the work produced the food, while their masters ate the food. (See
Lincoln's speech debating Douglas advocating slavery in 1859, when
the first oil derrick went up in Pennsylvania, the basis for Corporate farms.

Wow, that's a toughie......I'm going to have to go with predatory lending. Why else would all the world's major religions outlaw usury (at one time or another)?

But a dialog between Socrates and Trechet would be quite enlightening.

It would be interesting to put a representation of the greatest thinkers of all time with a group of modern politicians that have bought into the central bank model of governance and sit back and enjoy.

I certainly couldn't imagine Aristotle finding any logic behind fractional reserve banking. There's something about the ability of banks to buy off politicians with money that was just made up. I haven't been able to come up with that syllogism.

Not for most people, especially Tea Baggers, that would be turned off by intelligence and logical thinking.

Hmmm...the definition of philosophy is "Love of Wisdom".

Predatory lending would come under the heading of greed, as in a trap set for the gullible.

A wise person would not fall into a trap like that.

So, to counter one you must have copious amounts of the other.

"It would be interesting to put a representation of the greatest thinkers of all time with a group of modern politicians that have bought into the central bank model of governance and sit back and enjoy."

One would repel the other.

Indeed. It's been awhile since I have talked philosophy. Hope to see more of that on this site.