What Our Declaration Really Said

Absolutely, throw all that out the window and lets do better for all tis time. It is their pretend reality...we just bought it hook, line and sinker

In order for your flawed theory to be true you have to admit that you don't actually believe in supply and demand principals of free enterprise economics. Corporations cannot just tack on additional price to their good or service without risking a drop in demand or sale of that good or service hence contrary to your overly simplistic diatribe the corporation will indeed absorb at least a portion of whatever tax is imposed upon them... If not... then why all the hand wringing and doomsday proclaimations on their part. Under your scenario they should literally care less since they will simply tack it on to the price.

Again.. if your flawed theory is true then why all the angst on the part of you and the corporations about the evils of taxes on them. Methinks ye doth protest too much. You claim they will leave if taxes are imposed again upon them... Due to the very lack of loyalty you mentioned earlier they are going to leave no matter if we tax them. They base such moves on whether or not it is to their financial advantage to do so. Apparently not the case right now for the handful that remained. I have a feeling that the outsourcing fever is reaching it's law of diminishing returns... all the more reason for the corporations to howl to the high heavens about having to return to the days of paying their fair share of taxes.

Even the already outsourced companies should have their profits taxed. What's walmart got left to outsource for instance? Their Stores? We're still the number one market in the world... Time to use it to our advantage in order to help to refill our government coffers.

Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion but to pretend that your opinion is somehow factrual is incredibly pretentious on your part in my opinion. I happen to have lived long enough to remember when it was acceptable and successful policy to tax corporations and with some loopholes they did pay their fair share of taxesl

In those days a person didn't have to work two jobs and put the entire family to work just in order to make ends meet. Fact is in the 50s and most of the sixties a person could pump gas for a living while changing oil and doing light mechanical work and actually make enough to own a modest home, own a vehicle and raise a fledgling family. It's not about just taxes it's about everybody including the corporations being part of the community not above the community. We're either all in this together or we're not. To let the corporations off the hook is to surrender to the very thing they pray we do... that they're too big, too important, and too vulnerable to ask any accountability of. You can fall for it if you wish to, Just don't pretend that you have fact behind you because you don't. We all are dealing to a major extent here in theory, conjecture and opinion. Your fact is only your belief in someone elses convienently skewed opinion.

So let me get this straight. For anyone to avoid angering you they have to agree that your thories are not flawed. Why in the world would anyone come here then? In it's essence is not dissent the belief in the flaws of someone elses theory or way of thinking. You don't have to agree with me, or like me to interact with me. You're too sensative. You have one approach to a problem and I have another. I don't happen to agree with yours and I simply let you know that. Nothing you have said here has changed my opinion. Nor has anything i've said changed yours most likely. But the debate of both opinions is of critical imporance.

I don't long for the past so much as I realize that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Shall we repeat the economic ramp up to the great depression for instance? Or shall we look for times in the economic past when the budget was balanced and the economy was succeeding... perhaps not Booming beyond our wildest dreams...but growing, succeeding, and steadily expanding with a combination of private and corporate investment in industry and government investment in infrastructure.

Oh and those CEO and FCOs you worry so much about. I'm not opposed to raising taxes on them or the share holders... I'm just not of the belief that they're the entire root of the problem. The Corporations own a huge portion of the responsibility for our current woes but even beyond them and the fat cats its' We the People who are most to blame in my opinion. Enough of us bought into it to allow it to take place.

I'll leave that as my last word on the subject for now. Enjoyed the exchange.

This (your comment) is a popular myth that needs to be roundly, soundly, and decisively debunked if there is to be any hope for our future.

I am pondering it David H (and I hope others will as well).Thanks for the advice. ;)

P.S. I wasn't attempting to rebutt you, just thinking out loud (pathetically thinking out loud if you like).

David, are you discounting the fact that prices can be raised beyond the point where enough are willing to purchase and then they will have to be lowered to remain competitive with the competition that is, or will be? It is not necessarily a social negative for corporations to function without being able distribute excess revenue in dividends to stockholders. Before the mega corporations of the last century, and throughout many pst centuries, many motivated people made fortunes from their efforts in business. Business always did, and always could, go on without globe dominating corporations and corporate governments.

Let's just get rid of loopholes and credits that ensure that jobs are moved overseas where slave labor is used and where corporations can take advantage of even more benefits and tax deductions/credits. When we misunderstand that corporations will do all to protect its workers and business operations in his country, we are insurmountably hurt. The country and individuals hurt when corporations and executives continue to earn at unfathomable rates while workers continue to lose; wages, benefits and pensions.

You should not mistaken unfair shift in taxation from the wealthiest among us to the least able to pay with a Cost of Goods Sold issue. If the COGS is not high enough to reduce/eliminate a corporation's tax liability the logical solution is to raise the compensation of officers and executives which can be reflected as a legitimate expense against income on the corporate tax return.

Corporations will continue to raise the cost of the products they make regardless of how much tax they pay. Corporations will raise the price until the public cannot pay and they reach the optimum level (law of diminishing returns).

Tax has little to do with the cost of goods sold!

Some of the weakest rhetorical tripe I have seen in a very long time, which pretty bad when you consider I have kept an eye on Glen Beck. Beck is dangerous, this guy is a moron

You might want to put down that Koolaid if you think the guy in your video you posted has one bit of credibility, you have reached toxic levels

this guy is out there.

You sir, are way way off base, you have taken the moral principles of taxation, and put them exactly in reverse, do you understand this?

Your knowledge of this history-particularly concerning the East India tea Company-is absolutely correct, sadly, not only is our general population quite bovine, but very deeply into romanticism and vicarious identification.

I will say what I have said many times before, this nation was founded as-and currently is-a plutocracy, NOT a democracy, and to expect the bought and paid for corporate "representatives" to act in the face and counter to the interest of perpetuating plutocracy, Is quite delusional and futile, to quote the words of A song by Elton John, "It's like trying to get whiskey, out of a bottle of wine" Only until America wakes up to this fact, will true change come, thanks for the post and good to see you again };-)

you got that right, i appreciate your educational posting that clear away the glamours

True, true. Good to see you. I'll be around when I can.

Thanks, just trying to help with the transparency.

Perry's statement was that Texas has the right to secede under the 10th, that question was settle in 1865. Whether you like it or not the Union won that dispute at the cost of 600,000 lives.

I live in Austin Texas, I have been over every square inch of the Capitol grounds and the Capitol building itself, and it is a unbelievable spectacle that you witness on the grounds of the Capitol building, many gaudy and over-the-top statues of gallant Confederate officers on horseback, with the horse reared up in the air and their sabers drawn, defending the South with the last ounce of their breath, during the "war of Northern aggression" as it's called here, they simply cannot or will not acknowledge, that they made huge tactical errors at Gettysburg, and after that, pretty much got their asses handed to them in a high hat, the governor is a successionest fascist, who loves slavery, and would institute the policies that Georgia has-using paroled prisoners usually black as free labor to replace migrant workers from Mexico-if he thought he could get away with it.

Austin is a really great place to live if you're 30 or younger, love to party, and have mommy and daddy's Visa card with you, but for regular folks, the place is a money vacuum, the expense of LA, with the cultural amenities of Mayberry, of course I've met really nice folks here, but at its core, it's still just a really big college party town that caters to all the whims of youth, but is extremely conservative at its core, we can't wait to get the hell out of here, the spirit of the South is alive and well here.

All one has to do is read. You might like to take your own advice, but please do look outside of the republic of texas for your reading materials especially history texts.

You too.....We're grilling out and drinking beer here!

I found that video a while back, and even read the book. It sure makes sense. Corporate
profits over people, sure sounds familiar.