Community | July 13, 2011 | 223 comments

Should parents lose custody of super-obese kids?

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" Should parents of extremely obese children lose custody for not controlling their kids' weight? A provocative commentary in one of the nation's most distinguished medical journals argues yes, and its authors are joining a quiet chorus of advocates who say the government should be allowed to intervene in extreme casesIt has happened a few times in the U.S., and the opinion piece in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association says putting children temporarily in foster care is in some cases more ethical than obesity surgery.

Dr. David Ludwig, an obesity specialist at Harvard-affiliated Children's Hospital Boston, said the point isn't to blame parents, but rather to act in children's best interest and get them help that for whatever reason their parents can't provide.

State intervention "ideally will support not just the child but the whole family, with the goal of reuniting child and family as soon as possible. That may require instruction on parenting," said Ludwig, who wrote the article with Lindsey Murtagh, a lawyer and a researcher at Harvard's School of Public Health. "Despite the discomfort posed by state intervention, it may sometimes be necessary to protect a child," Murtagh said.

But University of Pennsylvania bioethicist Art Caplan said he worries that the debate risks putting too much blame on parents. Obese children are victims of advertising, marketing, peer pressure and bullying — things a parent can't control, he said.

"If you're going to change a child's weight, you're going to have to change all of them," Caplan said.

Roughly 2 million U.S. children are extremely obese. Most are not in imminent danger, Ludwig said. But some have obesity-related conditions such as Type 2 diabetes, breathing difficulties and liver problems that could kill them by age 30. It is these kids for whom state intervention, including education, parent training, and temporary protective custody in the most extreme cases, should be considered, Ludwig said"

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223 comments // Should parents lose custody of super-obese kids?

  • sugarlilly
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      sugarlilly  
    • a better thing to ask is "should gov'ts that allow their people to be fed GMOs, pesticides & 'fast' foods" be allowed to continue in the facade of "options"? the food supply is poisoned & we're blaming the parents? how about we abolish Monsanto the corporation.

    • 10 months ago
  • larrybuckp
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      larrybuckp  
    • There is another topic, "How industrial farming destroyed the tasty tomato". It is getting little attention, but it is relevant to this discussion. We don't know what is making us fat, and efforts are made to keep it that way. The food we buy is not the food we want, or think we are getting. Not only are "healthy" vegetables expensive; they are also tasteless crap. I'm sixty-one, and remember good food. I remember aisles in the supermarket that were stocked with the items needed to cook a nutritious meal, and not pre-packaged sugar and starch. Fat was used extensively, but obesity wasn't a problem. Diabetes was a footnote in health until the food industry became corporate America. We can only buy what is offered, and if corporate farming is allowed to push out family farms, local produce will be a thing of the past, and it is nearly so now. I remember the blue stamps that told me the USDA had inspected a piece of meat, and determined that it was prime or choice. If they did have a stamp now, they would mostly use the "crap" stamp. Obesity is a crisis, but let's solve the problem, not the symptom. Life style is certainly a contributor, but the data doesn't support it as the main culprit. Poor people feed their kids what they can afford. What they can afford is the equivalent of slow poison. I don't want the government to regulate what I eat, drink, or smoke, but I insist that I should know the dangers, and that the vendors be responsible.

    • 10 months ago
  • sugarlilly
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      sugarlilly  
    • larrybuckp:

      exactly! they're poisoning the population with lies- "organic" means "how it grew on earth before we fucked with it" but too often people justify not feeling that "organic" is worth it! we are worth it people! we are worth having our earth back unmonopolized!

    • 10 months ago
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • The USDA, NIH, CDC, your local Congressional representative and a host of other slack-ass government agencies are inadvertently responsible for obesity in this nation because they refuse to regulate food additives, and or fast food corporations. The nastier and less healthy a food item is, the more likely the poor are living on it. But hey, let's round up the fat children and take them away from their parents...or maybe we should just get right to the point and line all those money sucking worthless poor people up and shoot them. It's got to be the parent's fault....couldn't be that poor parents have trouble buying and preparing nutritious food, what with the 3 jobs they are holding down just to keep a roof over everyone's head.

      Damn idiots running this country make me sick.

    • 11 months ago
  • larrybuckp
    • +1
      larrybuckp  
    • Incredulous:

      I agree that unregulated markets are a primary cause. You don't have to walk far down a grocery aisle to realize that most of what you can buy is crap. I would remind you that theoretically "we the people run the country", and I am sure that the folks working at the agencies you mentioned would like nothing more than to be able to do their jobs better. It is also not just the fast food corporations, but nearly all food corporations. They are in it for the money. Deregulation, lobbyists, irresponsible media. We can try our best to change things, or we can watch our kids live miserable lives. As far as removing kids from their parents: there are many other options first, but a close reading of the article indicates that no one is keen on imposing martial law, but rather are looking for ways to help.

    • 11 months ago
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • larrybuckp:

      Agreed....

      ..."University of Pennsylvania bioethicist Art Caplan said he worries that the debate risks putting too much blame on parents. Obese children are victims of advertising, marketing, peer pressure and bullying — things a parent can't control, he said."

    • 10 months ago
  • sue4e3
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      sue4e3  
    • instead of calling parents stupid ,let's take a look at at just a couple contradictions I 've piced up right here on current.Trust me when I tell you I research anything if I am not sure . Once apon a time fruits and veggies were good for you but wait ,there is the whole pesticide and GMO problems and nothing is labeled. So as it turns out an apple a day depending on where it is from will load you with toxins -to radiate you ..hell I changed all my light bulbs way back when (less power good for the enviroment) but wait sorry about that . It will cause breast cancer and God knows what else.I could name more but my point is made.

    • 11 months ago
  • hurleyburly
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      hurleyburly  
    • No....should we take kids away from smokers? Should we take kids away from drinkers?....lookout fatties...you may be next after 'the gays' have lost some of their 'heat'. Why do we always have to have someone to demonize?

    • 11 months ago
  • Mark701
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      Mark701  
    • Sure. But first lets make all the fat food companies stop advertising to children. Second, place all the fatty foods in back of the counter like they do cigarettes. Third require an ID to buy junk food, Fourth, require health warnings on all food exceeding a certain fat content, etc, etc, etc.

      The point is, if the problem is so bad they want to hold parents responsible for what their kids eat, then we should also hold the people who sell them crap, responsible. Naturally that will never be considered because the corporate world of profit is sacrosanct.

      So hell, go after the parents even though they have almost zero control of what a kid eats by the time they're 14. What nonsense.

    • 11 months ago
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
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      Johnny_Los_Angeles  
    • Perhaps the number one problem in this world is any idiot can have kids. And the dumber they are usually the more kids they have and the kids are usually as if not more dumb than the stupid parents. What do you do about this? Nothing that will be popular thats for sure...

    • 11 months ago
  • Trailbagete
  • Valence
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      Valence  
    • Wow, so many Great Responses.!

      I've been thinking about this idea of taxing the food industry with not providing enough health information to their consumers, and make then provide more details into ingredients(seriously what the freak is a Phenylalanine), and also have then give proper serving sizes.

    • 11 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Valence:

      Really? I was having a hallucination this afternoon that was right nice, a dream with eyes open wide, where all stores didn't take Sales Tax one day.

      Maybe something in the water... BIRTH CONTROL PILLS!!!

    • 11 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • -1
      Gravity_Man  
    • Valence:

      Hey Thanks pal. You jogged my memory to remember the name of the stuff in diet pills that used to help my sinuses so much => Phenylpropanolamine!

      Since it helped me so much they declared it illegal. Same thing they did to Muscle Jack 2-3 years ago. Everything that helps me avoid doctors the doctors have their lawyer buddies get declared illegal.

      Imagine that. Wait. I don't have to. I'm living the dream!

    • 11 months ago
  • Valence
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Valence:

      There was a time a long time ago (uhm 3 weeks actually) where I used to be a possessor of the Phenylalanine knowledge but the Alzheimer's has kicked up. Seems like any more all I can remember is Wikipedia.

    • 11 months ago
  • Persecuted
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      Persecuted  
    • yes they should... just as soon as food is regulated, fillers, sodium, and sugars regulated, along with the steroids we feed our animals and then consume. as soon as it becomes illegal for a child to put a dollar into a machine and pull out a piece of fried sticky dough covered in sugar, then you can start punishing parents...

      this is sick... these food industries and health and health insurance industries conspire against us to make us fat, unhealthy, sick... addicted to the chemicals and sugars and fats in our foods, addicted to pills, addicted to seeking unaffordable healthcare as a result...
      then the idea is even raised of taking away children who are a victim of this deliberate plot against us?
      wow... really... wow...

    • 11 months ago
  • noxidereus
  • Emucratic
  • Persecuted
  • Warren_Merrill
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      Warren_Merrill  
    • My cousin was skinny until he went to college. Then he got fat. He went to grad school and got fatter. He met a fat woman, they married and they got even fatter together. They hired a cook to come into the house and prepare healthy meals. They got fatter. We think they ate the cook. Unfortunately, they have a kid who is becoming a porker from following the parents eating habits. He won't listen to his brother who is a doctor.

      We are regaled in stories of their latest seven course, fine dining adventure. These two people are on their way to a critical health event that will redefine their life. Hopefully one won't die or be permanently disabled by the event. Hopefully one survives and they both get the message. I enjoy dining at great restaurants. But I often skip appetizers and almost never eat dessert.

    • 11 months ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • Absolutely not. Children are in much more danger with CPS. Similarly to separation of Government and Church, I call for separation of Government and Family!

    • 11 months ago
  • littlwarrior
  • Emucratic
  • Persecuted
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      Persecuted  
    • MotherForTruth:

      exactly... cps took away my sisters child because her husband spanked him on the bottom... literally.. she has spent thousands and thousands of dollars and years fighting just to get unsupervised visitations with him...
      now this kid is 8 and he knows how to manipulate the system.. he is a holy terror and his life is ruined because of this... of course there are cases when cps needs to step in, but they are a little too happy about taking kids away from loving homes these days

    • 11 months ago
  • sue4e3
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      sue4e3  
    • Emucratic:

      they also have no manners , no respect, and think they can do what ever they want ...because parents are not allowed to punish thier kids ( i am being very general I know this is not every case). look my mother was not abusive .I told her FU once when I was 15 she smacked me so hard I fell over .I wasn't permanently scarred from that .I knew not to do it again. She took me to the doctors to make sure I was ok.there was interrogations and problems before it was dropped .My biological father beat the crap out of all of us everyday for years .He axed my mothers car and attacked her .The authorities let him go less than 6 weeks later a judge granted him visitation and child services said sure why not. More often then not they do not help

    • 11 months ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • MotherForTruth
  • Warren_Merrill
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      Warren_Merrill  
    • We don't need the government going into homes telling parents how to raise their kids. What about bulimic kids? Anorexic kids? Other potentially uhealthful personal habits? I'm sorry Mr and Mrs Smith. We're placing your kid in foster care. He/She had four cavities at the last dental checkup.

    • 11 months ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • Mark701
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      Mark701  
    • Warren_Merrill:

      It's would probably be smart to remember that "government initiatives" like this are often the brainchild of sectors of the economy that would benefit financially. In this case the health insurance industry would make a bundle. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if children end up healthier

      Just be aware that often when the government comes up with a bad idea, it doesn't mean they thought it up all on their own.

    • 11 months ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • The bottom line is that, regardless of your genetics, shit like this just did not happen 40+ years ago. Thus, this *is* a parenting issue.

      To get type 2 diabetes and morbid obesity as a child, you have to be doing something *seriously* wrong, because children can eat tons of nasty food without much consequence.

      People who are against this probably aren't considering how extreme these circumstances are. If your child is 300 or 400 pounds, there is no excuse for that. The child has a serious medical problem and it is being ignored.

    • 11 months ago
  • litrehozen
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      litrehozen  
    • Saladin:

      No one said it was excusable, almost everyone here posted that kids and parents need help. But taking kids away from their homes, friends is pretty traumatic and kids are not going to understand this from an adult's perspective. The whole family needs counseling and maybe the child's friends too.

    • 11 months ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • litrehozen:

      And ideally, that would happen. But it won't, because odds are good that if you can't convince people to take care of their children, you sure as hell aren't going to force them into counseling to fix *themselves*.

      Would you agree that, at some clearly established point, the parents would be unfit to raise the child if it reached a certain threshold of hazard to its own health?

      Because that's true for all other issues, such as malnourishment or drug problems. So why shouldn't the same be true for something equally as dangerous (albeit not considered so socially) ?

    • 11 months ago
  • Warren_Merrill
  • litrehozen
  • sue4e3
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      sue4e3  
    • Saladin:

      I am all for help but who decides what ,when ,and where .If every one wants to really help the public push to get involved in the bigger medical organizations ,for diabetes, lungs and heart where you opinion can be heard .Try to get posters up in clinics , doctors offices ,and public restrooms of graphic effects of poor food choices .Like the ones of pregnant women drinking or smoking. Taking kids out of thier homes helps noone.

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • Warren_Merrill
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      Warren_Merrill  
    • oldbanjo:

      Not true. If you teach proper diet, serve proper diet and eat properly yourself your kids will usually follow suit. It doesn't mean they will never eat junk. But they will eat less junk if shown how to eat properly.

      A big problem is lack of exercise. Recently I saw a study where in my generation kids spent 75% of their free time outdoors. In my kid's generation kids spend 75% of their time indoors.

      Once again it's about how you raise your kids. They don't have to become hot shot high school athletes. But when they are little they should be signed up for physical activities that promote a love for exercise. From the time they can stand up they should be taken to the park to play.

    • 11 months ago
  • Persecuted
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      Persecuted  
    • oldbanjo:

      another serious problem related to food is that most people are poor these days, and you'll find that strangely enough, its primarily the poorest of people who are obese...
      this is definately related... poor people dont have the luxury of eating healthy most of the time... healthy food is expensive... junk food is cheap

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Warren_Merrill:

      We were taught to eat properly when I was growing up, I'm 66 years old and have never had a weight problem, I don't eat fast food, don't drink cokes/pepsi, never have. We never were allowed to drink them and I still don't. I use a half cup of sugar in a gal of tea. I'm 6' 1 1/2 and weigh 195 today, I have bad knees and hips, when I work outside my weight stays at 175.

    • 11 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Persecuted:

      I eat very little fat, I keep a lot of cooked chicken (skinless boneless) in the freezer, I cook the chicken on the grill then boil it in cider vinegar with hot sauce. when I want a snack I steam it and make a sandwich. I trim all the fat from any meat that I eat, always have. I love peas on rice. I may not eat proper food according to the charts but I have four brothers and a sister and non of us have ever been sick. My girlfriend works for the school and is always catching something from the kids in school, I have never caught anything from her, we've been together 13 years.

    • 11 months ago
  • sue4e3
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      sue4e3  
    • Warren_Merrill:

      again I do not think people on this thread are looking at so many other facets .You mentioned our generation and because yours sounds similar to mine they most likely are.Our parents sent us outside because they were doing god knows what indoors and there was no cell phones so if you wanted company you went outside to look for some .It was also common for parents of our generation to say things like you don't have to be home till the street lights come on.did you notice that most of the big serial killers were in the 60's ,70's and 80's.It's because you had a bunch of unsupervised kids running around . If I told my 9 and 11 year old to go outside and play and you don't have to be home till dark. I would lose my children so fast my head would spin . That's why we were thinner . Our parents only began having the fake food choices in the early 80's before that it was basic sugar was bad.That's why this generation is fatter than the one before it not because our parents provided us with stellar health food examples.So, to pretend like if the parents just ate better all would be well is not true

    • 11 months ago
  • figgdimension
  • good_stuff
  • figgdimension
  • figgdimension
  • dwb2585
  • Lippey
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      Lippey  
    • This is ridiculous! Maybe they should learn to say NO to their kids but lose custody? I think not. I always see my step-mom give my little brother any snack/treat he wants and this could possibly lead to obesity. But I think this is simply her like many other parents spoiling their children and just trying to make them happy (and of course shut them up).

    • 11 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Many fat kids have a thyroid, and it appears healthy, pumps plenty of hormones BUT the hormones are for the wrong parent's chemistry to match the child's. I used to get out and run all day long, ride my bike, play football to exhaustion, repeatedly, and yet I gained weight.

      When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs? When do American doctors do their jobs?

      I'm with Bailey78 below => this is another moneymaker haymaker.

      I have purchased Chickweed which is supposed to melt Fat. I have purchased Cayenne that is supposed to melt Fat. I have purchased Spirulina that is supposed to melt Fat. I have mixed them all together and loaded them into some HEAT FIREBALL capsules and taken 8-12 every day. My waistline fat heats up as if set on fire, for several hours actually.

      I lost 1 pound yesterday.

      The only solution to fat is to pull out the door stops (doctors) and ram the gas pedal down with a sharp scalpel and get rid of it, for the simple reason the fat becomes a BENIGN TUMOR THAT IS ALSO A TRIPLE GLAND.

      #1 => YOU CAN'T DIET AWAY A TUMOR.

      #2 => You have fat that morphs into being a gland producing Cortisol and C-RP, which is deadly if you try to diet it off anywhere but in a hospital bed where they check your bloodstream level of C-RP EVERY TWO HOURS, because if the C-RP concentration in the blood goes too high it can STOP THE HEART INSTANTLY.

      Threatening the parents, threatening the poor child, only raises the entire family's cortisol production to astronomical levels and that triggers more fat production IN BOTH THE PARENTS AND THE CHILD.

      SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL SCALPEL THE ONLY SOLUTION TO A RUNAWAY GLAND (DOUBLE GLAND) AND A TUMOR.

      NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS; NOT DIETS.

      NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS. NOT PLAYING OUTDOORS.

      SCALPEL THE ONLY SOLUTION TO A RUNAWAY GLAND (DOUBLE GLAND) & A TUMOR.

    • 11 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      I knew one man who worked at an auto parts, didn't see him for a few months then when I did he had trimmed off much weight. I asked him how so he said he followed ONE RULE => don't eat anything after 2 PM.

      Obviously his thyroid worked. People who have a good thyroid and get fat, perhaps they are worthy of your hate. Perhaps they did eat too much.

      The amount of radiation released for bomb testing in the 1940's screwed up our thyroids, such as mine was. And these kids today are showing the same symptoms & issues I have fought for 55 years. I was slim up til I was 5YO then I blew up. In the 3rd Grade my waistline was 46 inches.

      Back then we didn't know a lot about nutrition but around the 5th Grade I made a chart of all the vegetables and what nutrients each had, and started preparing my meals to get them. In the 7th Grade I decided to starve. For supper I would have a slice of toast with cheese broiled so the top would harden. I liked them. But I only ate it on condition I go running around the dark neighborhood afterwords.

      The result was I went into Anorexia, which at that time was not named aneorexia yet. That name wasn't invented til singer Karen Carpenter died of it, then they decided to name it. But, I got my weight down through strict starvation til I was a 23.5 inch waist, broad in the shoulders, and 6 feet tall. Then I took a job in a seafood restaurant where my worthless thyroid trashed me... BUT NOT FROM EATING.

      I figured it out decades later. I was getting excess calories breathed in through my nostrils. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    • 11 months ago
  • EmperorThan
    • +1
      EmperorThan  
    • Should children be taken away from parents if they live too close to high white noise traffic areas like airports and highways thought to trigger autism? Should children be taken away from their parents if they decide to circumcise them? "No of course not Emperor circumcision is all in good, silly religious fun!" What about if they decide to perform female circumcision? What's the difference? You're still dissecting your newborn.

      What if the baby has hypothyroidism? The "if then what" questions could be asked all day, don't burden understaffed organizations trying to help REAL abused children from getting help is what I say. If we want to go ahead and repo 65% of America's babies because they're tubby then count my taxdollars out.

    • 11 months ago
  • tverdell
  • littlwarrior
  • litrehozen
  • chanTelaLie
    • +2
      chanTelaLie  
    • kids shouldnt be taken away from their parents because they are being fed. there are far more serious cases of child abuse that should be given attention. mothers smothering then throwing their children in rivers are the ones we need to worry about. you cant control what they eat when they are at a friends house or at school. you can only instill knowledge and hope they use it. besides most kids have growth spurts that can bring them back into normal weight for their size.

    • 11 months ago
  • MissAmanda
    • +1
      MissAmanda  
    • really? parents have 'no control' over marketing and advertising? because i'm pretty sure if a kid lives in it's parents house, the parent has the right and obligation to say 'shut the fuckin' TV off, go outside' and i'm pretty sure the reason these kids have the money to spend at McDonalds and everywhere else to buy whatever they are buying, is because their parents are giving them that money.

      parenting is not about shifting the blame 100% onto outside influences if your kid is unhealthy, overweight, a jerk of a kid, a bully or anything else.

      take control of your children, be involved, get on their case. that's what parents are for. when the kid grows up, they'll understand.

    • 11 months ago
  • Warren_Merrill
  • sue4e3
  • lattina1
    • -1
      lattina1  
    • What?? Foster care? Is that a joke...pls tell me so. How about stopping the big crappy food chains from selling & advertising their crappy food. Demand that they act on their social responsibility for the common good. The big dogs

    • 11 months ago
  • Warren_Merrill
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      Warren_Merrill  
    • lattina1:

      How about parents be responsible and not buy crap for their kids? We don't need the government telling stores what to sell. If people stop buying crap companies will stop making it and selling it.

    • 11 months ago
  • JanforGore
    • +4
      JanforGore  
    • Bring local gardens to more schools and urban areas and stop opening fast food chains on every damn corner thus not giving poorer neighborhoods in this country a CHOICE or access to healthier foods. Work to remove pesticides from our food and bring us affordable organic food. And institute more programs in inner cities and other areas to make information available to parents on healthy guidelines for their children. Of course there are parents who also feed these foods to their children one, because they work and it is convenient, two because of relentless advertising aimed at children during shows they watch on tv and three, because it is cheap. And face it, pressure from children most often wins out, even when it shouldn't. Parents do bear part of the responsibility for how they raise their children, but government also cannot expect to tell parents how to feed them if it is the same government actually supporting companies like Monsanto whose pesticide foods actually bring it on. Perhaps if this government didn't spend so much on war and used that money to revise their food and environmental policies we just might see more healthier children and adults.

    • 11 months ago
  • bailey78
  • Warren_Merrill
    • +1
      Warren_Merrill  
    • JanforGore:

      "Of course there are parents who also feed these foods to their children one, because they work and it is convenient, two because of relentless advertising aimed at children during shows they watch on tv and three, because it is cheap. And face it, pressure from children most often wins out, even when it shouldn't."

      Only with weak spined irresponsible parents. My responsibility is to say NO to my kids, not be their friend and make them happy all the time.

      You can make a healthy dinner with good food from Whole Foods for less than it costs to eat at a fast food restaurant. Many grocery stores ow have healthy produce and health food sections where the food costs less than Whole Foods. It doesn't take a lot of time to prepare either. My kids were always on the go with school sports, travel sports and homework. There were always containers in the refridgerator with spinach salad with chicken or fish. If they had to be picked up and taken someplace else without coming home the containers were put in the car in a cooler.

      My kids grew up seeing yogart as a dessert. They had cucumbers, celery, carrots and apples for snacks.

    • 11 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • sue4e3
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      sue4e3  
    • JanforGore:

      I agree .because poor parents can't afford organic food .I would love to feed my 3 kids all organic but I can't afford to .Before someone says something silly about the worth of good food in comparison to other things .My husband and myself fore go health insurance to provide for our family .I am luckier than most people around me ,so I still consider myself very fortunate.where I am at is a pretty poor community on the jersey side of the delaware bay.Here it's about having no money for food .My family doesn't suffer that and I am very grateful. My neighbors do ..It's very hard to watch.I grow strawberries ,rasberries ,and assorted other veggies .the kids eat them off the vines in the mornings before school and it is because they are hungary. It's sad

    • 11 months ago
  • Ashley_Byrd
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      Ashley_Byrd  
    • No, parents shouldn't lose their kids because the kids are fat. I see a trend in my town that many low-income families have big kids and/or parents. Food costs a lot. Fast food, not so much. It's a hell of a lot easier to buy a big burger than to buy food from the grocery store. Food stamp restrictions are also a hindrance for people trying to provide food for their families or themselves.

      Healthier food tends to be more expensive too. Food education is also important, but there are too many differing opinions on how much we should eat or drink and what we should eat or drink. The parents are the only ones that should be blamed.

      And once again, it's Ash's personal story time. Read or don't, doesn't matter to me. I like sharing.

      I hit puberty early. At the same time, I quit karate and turned to eating as a comfort. Personal problems just led me to eat more and exercise a lot less. I wasn't really bullied as much since I was an all-around nice girl. Hell, I was made fun of for being Black a lot more times than being fat.

      To this day, whenever I mention how much I weigh, no one believes me. I 'carry it well' as most would say. Doesn't really hurt that my tits are big. I'm in the category of "obese" or "morbidly obese" depending on the doctors. I'm grateful that I'm able to move without a use of a cane or scooter.

      It took me years to find out that I have an overeating disorder. I feel so embarrassed about it honestly. I would eat when I'm hungry, mad, sad, happy, bored, or neutral. I would always be full, but I could still feel hungry. Having a horrible self-image problem doesn't help things either.

      I don't like being fat. It's hard to find clothes that fit and when I do they cost an arm and a leg. I can't find a bra in a 'normal' store, I have to find them online since the nearest big girl store is 40 minutes away from my house. I don't have a car, so...yeah, problem. I hate being known as the 'fat friend' when I go out with my girlfriends. I hate that the only physical compliments from friends or strangers I receive are either for my smile or my tits.

      I'm taking steps to lose weight though. I'm going to an athletic club every other day, I bike or walk to work, I'm trying my best to stop drinking soda, and eating correctly. It's hard, it's very hard, but I know that I can do this. My adoring boyfriend is being ultra supportive and my friends are too.

    • 11 months ago
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
  • sue4e3
    • +1
      sue4e3  
    • I have 1 clinically obese child out of three (by any one s normal standards he would be considered chubby) .It has nothing to do with fast food we don't eat it . Now not everything we eat is organic but ice cream is still a treat not the norm . He is not picked on . The only problem I see is he unlike his brothers prefer computers and video games . He doesn't do sports if he did he might get picked on . I would be beyond angry if some person decided he was obese and came to take him .There is the problem with this concept . By the guide lines described above I would never have to worry about it but who makes the judgement call on who is obese enough . Then there is that little well as long as some paper some where says a child is obese he/she could be removed . Would we then have to start fearing a doctor scale because of an over zealous or self righteous case worker some where . This is a very slippery slope . Any one who thinks this is a good idea might want to ask themselves who decides . Because any real parent will tell you the person who rocks your kids craddle rules your world.

    • 11 months ago
  • Plue
    • 0
      Plue  
    • NO. In addition to all the other external factors that have been listed there are still several mor to consider:

      1. Unhealthy food is cheaper and easier to get.

      2. Many of these children use food to "self -medicate" to them food offers
      comfort.

      3. Dispite the governments best efforts many people still do not know how to eat
      healthy.

      4. Many urban areas are "fresh food deserts." I live in Detroit and it is impossible
      to get a major grocery chain to locate within the city. Those who have cars go
      to the suburbs to shop where their is a larger selection. Those who lack
      transportation shop at smaller local grocery stores with limited selection and
      higher prices on heathy food.

      5. Many of the parks and recreation centers are either in disrepair or closed due
      to budget cuts. Also many sport and fitness activities have also been lost due
      to budget cuts.

      6. There is usually a family history of obesity.

      I think that the worry about our children is well founded but I don't think taking children away from their parents is going to solve the problem. If we want to adress this problem we need to adress all of the contributing factors and become a healthier nation as a whole. Just out of curiosity I wonder how many people who contributed to these studies are obese?

    • 11 months ago
  • letsliveinpeace
    • +4
      letsliveinpeace  
    • Should parents lose custody of super-obese kids?
      NO! parents should go to classes to learn how to feed their kids properly, And exercise, make exercise fun.

    • 11 months ago
  • letsliveinpeace
  • Wyley_Wombat
    • +4
      Wyley_Wombat  
    • Here in New Jersey government intervention would be the height of hypocrisy, just use "can't walk 100 yards" Christy as the poster boy. Until you get rid of all the external causes such as the fast food industry, the use of huge amount of sugar and corn "sweetener", added fats, etc, you will have an uphill battle. In addition, there is research ( done mainly in the UK ) that there is a genetic predisposition towards obesity that is showing up more often. When you also consider that the environment the kids have to live in makes healthy eating difficult, taking them away and then bringing them back will not help as they will only revert to their former behavior. Put some of the onus on the corporations that profit from fast food and snacks and then maybe a change can be made. When you cure an alcohol abuser, you won't succeed if you let them go back to the bar after the process is complete. This is much the same.

    • 11 months ago
  • Leen61
  • letsliveinpeace
  • litrehozen
    • 0
      litrehozen  
    • Wyley_Wombat:

      It is bad living habits they have gotten into without enough messages for healthier choices. Many urban peoples have limited access to affordable fresh foods; this is our failure to allow this to happen along with poor education in schools and medical offices.

    • 11 months ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • -2
      Gravity_Man  
    • Wyley_Wombat:

      Two hours with a triage doctor and a scalpel, fat cells do not come back. Dieting only makes adipose tissue shrink. Destroy them, destroy them all sir. hahaha

      Or, you could scan & map where all the fat is and use a subcutaneous melting ray I told the MRI people how to make in 1996, where split rays go harmlessly through skin => intersect in the fat layer, overheating the fat cells just enough to bust the fat cell membrane and die the death.

      BUT WAIT, NO, can't do that. This is just the 21st Century.

    • 11 months ago
  • good_stuff
    • 0
      good_stuff  
    • litrehozen:

      Apparently you've never visited the midwest. Most urban people have the best access to fresh foods via farmers markets. It is the rural crowds who have to drive 1-2 hours to get to a grocery store that end up eating gas station foods all the time. Well, unless those rural folk can figure out how to eat feed corn, soy beans, or wheat that is all around them.

    • 11 months ago
  • litrehozen
  • good_stuff
    • 0
      good_stuff  
    • litrehozen:

      Look, I'm just talking about my own observations as someone who lives in the midwest burbs and knows both city and country folk. The city folk would love to grow things but can't. The country folk would prefer to only grow what makes them money and that isn't usually vegetables. Knowing how to weld or fix a tractor is much more important to farming now than knowing how to grow plants.

    • 11 months ago
  • Warren_Merrill
  • sue4e3
    • 0
      sue4e3  
    • good_stuff:

      i agree my mothers family was originally from kansas and they had money crops and the little garden .That was for canning and house use and over the years I stopped seeing the house garden.I think that had a little something to do with the kids not being allowed to work on the farms and the death of the job title house wife.I know that is not true for every one .It's just an opinion of mine. This was just a little side note that caught my eye.

    • 11 months ago
  • chew_chew
    • +1
      chew_chew  
    • Yes.

      Parents should lose custody of super-obese kids. Parents should also lose one of their feet (each parent, even if divorced), should that happen, and have a large, red, "OK" (for: Obese Kid) tattooed to their foreheads. Matter of fact, that should be the penalty for any parent whose child becomes super obese, gay (a "GK" for Gay Kid tattooed on the parents' foreheads), and especially left handed ("Lefty" tattooed on the parents' foreheads). Allowing their child to be left handed is probably the worst offense a parent can make in raising a child. There is no excuse for that one, and it should come with extra penalties.

      This comment has been facetious up to now, but with zero calories, and no carbohydrates.

      While obesity is certainly a situation which needs attention, I disagree that a family should be separated should a child become obese.

    • 11 months ago
  • noxidereus
    • +3
      noxidereus  
    • I am sick to my stomach thinking about taking children away from their parents because they're fat! I am ashamed of those of you who advocate this. This is fascism.

    • 11 months ago
  • litrehozen
    • +3
      litrehozen  
    • noxidereus:

      It is sickening:
      The people who are advocating this separation likely did not endure parental divorce as a child; AND obese children may only have one parent to begin with, so we are going to have them suffer more loss because one parent is struggling to manage? Seems to me the best thing to do is educate the kids in school/medical offices with support of the parents. Get after school activities going to get parents and kids moving more. We need to examine why parents and kids are obese and provide alternatives, not tear them apart. There is outright physical abuse which is acutely dangerous and then there is this, which requires patience, understanding and education to change an unhealthy lifestyle over time. There is a big difference between an abusive parent and a misguided parent.

    • 11 months ago
  • noxidereus
  • good_stuff
    • +1
      good_stuff  
    • Hell, while were at it lets take away any kid who doesn't eat their vegetables or wear a helmet while riding a bike or skateboarding.

      Obiesity is an epidemic, but lets not kid ourselves (pun intended) into thinking that a "war on obiesity" is the best way to handle the situation.

    • 11 months ago
  • NiceN
  • SandyBerman
    • SandyBerman  
    • This comment was removed as a violation of community guidelines.
  • litrehozen
    • +2
      litrehozen  
    • SandyBerman:

      They are not acutely jeopardized, so why make this more drama than it is? This is a lifestyle choice issue that can be changed with activity changes and education, not ripping peoples' lives apart. That's why there is a question, you aren't solving anything with a practical answer.

    • 11 months ago
  • SandyBerman
  • litrehozen
    • +2
      litrehozen  
    • SandyBerman:

      One extreme case and she probably had a genetic defect that was triggered by her obesity.
      If what you propose was the norm, I'd have to step over dead kids to get into a grocery store. Nice try, but you are just plain wrong and the dramatics are not helping anyone.

    • 11 months ago
  • SandyBerman
  • litrehozen
    • 0
      litrehozen  
    • SandyBerman:

      I'm always honest and I don't need your condescension directing down a familiar path. Starvation is not the same as overfeeding and not understanding the long-term ramifications of obesity and you should know it. Every parent understands their kid has to eat, but not all of them understand the whole medical picture of long-term obesity and overfeeding. If there is no acute abuse situations in the home, obese kids need their families and their lives. It's not abuse just because they are hard to reach and resistant to change. Do you think putting them in foster care is some guarantee that they will never, ever be fat again like some magic shield?

    • 11 months ago
  • GENERALNATTY
    • -1
      GENERALNATTY  
    • Every school should have a health expert on hand, if your child is suffering from obesity he or she should be able to raise concerns as soon as they arise, than extra steps can be taken to control the issue before it gets out of control, if the state of the child worsens directly as a result of parents being neglectful after repeated warnings from the health worker and state officials and no progress is being made to correct the problem, then the state should intervene to correct the matter.

      It has too be recognized this article is talking about the "Super-Obese" kids that will be suffering from serious health problems as well as the usual social issues if parents refuse to address them it is nothing more than neglect for the mental and physical condition of their children and as tax payers it is likely that you will carry the weight of the medical costs in some shape or form from complications from that neglect.

      With 69 cent burgers around its easier to fatten your kid, than to starve them to death, but abuse is abuse, they are children they do not know better

      These habits may follow children into adulthood, when the state no longer has the resources to help those still suffering from the habits formed when they did not know better, the earlier in life good habits are formed the more likely they will stick around.

      Three year old dies from extreme obesity:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3752597.stm

    • 11 months ago
  • litrehozen
    • 0
      litrehozen  
    • GENERALNATTY:

      Have kids been dropping like flies since 2004 from obesity? Funny, I think we'd have noticed if this extreme case was really the standard outcome of child obesity. The truth is, they can be reached, while they stay with their parents, and both can be assisted for better living. But we have to provide the funding for programs for movement, nutrition and cooking.

    • 11 months ago
  • sue4e3
    • 0
      sue4e3  
    • GENERALNATTY:

      Do you have children ? because let me tell you if a school nurse sent me home a note saying my child is overweight .you need to work on that .I wouldn't want to be that nurse if she ran into me any time soon .That is one hell of an assumption to make that I am abusive without knowing any medical history ,habits , let alone just talking to me to find out if my child is seeing a doctor ,or who we are. I would be insulted . My first line of questioning for any one who starts about weight and abuse is how much did they weigh ,what did they have for lunch ? Do they have children ? what did they feed them for dinner last night? Then follow that up with I am not trying to insult you. Then you tell me if you don't feel like you just got something put some where you didn't want it without flowers first

    • 11 months ago
  • GENERALNATTY
    • +1
      GENERALNATTY  
    • sue4e3:

      Yes i do have a child but more important than that i have had the experience of being extremely overweight, do you know what it is like to lose 120 pounds or to be that overweight in the first pace, the way it makes your bones feel or how tired you always are?

      I know and ill tell you if it takes the law to light a fire under your behind to keep your child reasonably healthy than that should be the case.

      I'll tell you first hand its fucking hell!! everything you said, is about "Me, Me Me" about what you would do to the nurse if he or she told you, your child was 200 pounds overweight.

      I could care less if you feel insulted if your kid was 200 pounds overweight and developing bad eating habits that could lead to juvenile diabetes and high blood pressure.

      Clearly you did not read my response throughly otherwise you would see, that i mentioned that there would be plenty of opportunity to correct the problem and obviously if the child had some type of health issues that cause the obesity than a doctor would confirm that and it would have been settled long before any intervention by the state.

      If you love your kid and would want your kid to live a healthy and happy life you should be taking it as a warning, and the fact that there is support there to help your kid get back on the right track and ultimately your whole family on a healthier eating plan is absolutely great.

      I cant see one thing wrong with that, because if your kids are eating better you are too and i don't know if you lost any of your parents yet, but i sure you would like them to be around longer and your kids probably feel the same about you, if all that costs is some hurt feelings that will pass, i say its a hell of a trade off.

      BTW because of my height and muscle mass, even though i was overweight, i would not even have qualified as the "super-obese" like the children discussed in this article, i can just imagine what they are going through.

    • 11 months ago
  • GENERALNATTY
    • +1
      GENERALNATTY  
    • litrehozen:

      i mentioned that, that the children would be reached by the health expert at the school, and the issue can be put under control long before it got to be a critical issue and that if the issue could not be corrected and that the reason for the childs failing health was a direct result of the willful neglect of the parents after repeated chances to fix the problem than the state should intervene.

    • 11 months ago
  • sue4e3
    • -1
      sue4e3  
    • GENERALNATTY:

      first let me say that I was at one point in my life very obese and I lost over 100 pounds .I would also like to say I only talked about my perspective because in a perfect world I don't completely disagree with you .But, you and I are not making the rules so ,who's to say what steps or guidelines will be followed before child services steps in and takes a child once you start down that slippery slope . Now let's look at at it from the childs perspective .They get notes sent home (if they are lucky discreetly ) saying they are over weight . Then have to worry about thier weight deciding wether they can stay with thier family or not. Moms and Dads tend to get stressed when socail srvices is involved and the child thinking that's thier fault the whole time.Yes in utopia everyone gets help, and understands it is for the better good .One little problem we live in the real world and someone has to pay for that help (if it works) .Money dictates that more often than not help won't happen .The kid will get taken away ,Put on a diet and dumped back with thier parents or On the system .The child will have alot more emotional damage then they started out with . If you have ever suffered with low self esteem ,You know you can lose the weight you can never lose that image

    • 11 months ago
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