Impeach President Obama

I personally wrote at least as many letters to GWB as I have to Obama by the time GWB had been in office as long as Obama has.

I don't hate Obama. But I will emphatically say he is not being the president he sounded like he was going to be when I chose to vote for him, and I think that he's demonstrated that he is not a good fit for the job.

I also know he's up against a historic amount of insane, mean & obstinate behavior, which is a valid reason why he might not succeed in getting the results he said he wanted during the campaign, but it is not an excuse for denigrating the people who got him into office, dismissing the things they want to see our nation do, and portraying us as a mirror image of the tea party.

The difference is that the previous president didn't even pretend to care about anything but his pander-to-the-rich agenda, while Obama campaigned on the very issues of concern to a majority of Americans. Once in office, Obama didn't even follow up by making a case for these things - national health, ending the wars, closing Gitmo, ending Bush tax cuts - he retreated from these positions before sitting down to negotiate. Then he snarks at his base that we expected too much success, when the thing that disappoints the most is that he didn't try - as someone said the other night "he drew his line in the sand inside the GOP tent." Bill Mahar has pointed out that he hasn't been enacting Democratic policies.

And now he's gone even further, depicting the non GOP-tea-bag position on the budget/debt issue as just a mirror image of them - when they are making crazy claims & demands, negotiating in bad faith, ignoring the preferences & needs of the American public & pretending they had nothing to do with the decisions on spending that got us into this mess (like Boehner getting all "Washington can't spend like this any more" - when he voted for ALL the spending that got us here). This is not only inaccurate, but insulting. There is a difference between compromise & capitulation. If a kidnapper says, "I want $5 mil tomorrow at 12 noon, and then, the next morning at 10 a.m. says, "I want $12 mil at 11:30", saying, 'How about $12 mil at 11:40?" a.m. is not compromising.

Sure, there are lots of people who would be worse in the white house right now. But the disappointment is so great with Obama because his winning with the campaign he ran demonstrated that the American people wanted a government that would do things that would support the common good, make life easier on the bottom end of the financial bell curve & make illness less of a lonely financial disaster for individual families.

Even if he had gotten none of the things he campaigned for, but he made the case in a forceful, eloquent and cogent way, like that one speech last Friday, I'd be willing to cut him more slack.

I am also afraid that if we act like Obama has done good enough for us, we will only see the Democratic party offering us more of the same.

As evidence I am not a right wing sock puppet, and others on the left feel this way, look into Bernie Sanders recent letter & Paul Krugman's op ed in today's NY Times "America Held Hostage" posted on this page.

Impeaching Obama would of course only be another in a string of disruptive & really bad things that have happened/been done to us since the 2980s, and you can't just buy a new boat if you're in the middle of the Atlantic & the one you're on springs a leak. You have to bail & sail til you get somewhere safer.

But, we've got over a year til the 2012 election, and we need to come up with some way of harnessing the optimism & desire for change that Obama so skillfully used to get into the white house - but harnessing it for the good of the people and to make the politicians who lack natural sympathy for people of lower income & social standing (the vast majority of Americans) at least be afraid that we will kick them off the gravy train if they keep playing keep-away with the necessities of a functioning industrialized civilization - like education, libraries, transit, health care, reasonable mortgage rates, realistic appraisals on which to base mortgages, infrastructure, watchdogs for situations where people are at risk of being taken for everything they have (especially investments, patent protections, to name two areas of great risk to ambitious "little people") and the interest rates that determine what we pay for so many necessities - mortgages, unreimbursed health expenses, car loans, and all those other things that aren't in the "We have this much & must live within it" imaginary household budgets so often described by belligerent repugs.

We may not be able to get Obama to live up to the promise he appeared to possess in 2008, but we should make sure that any Democratic candidate should be very afraid of disappointing the citizens like that again.

Again a very thoughtful post...I will grade this one up too.

One of the best comments on this page!!!

I am fighing with this person called Timelord999. I would llike your opinion on the isses both of us raise. If you don't want to give an opinion, no problem. I understand.

Did you read the article or are you just talking about the last thing you saw on the TV box?

Article voted up. The USA doesn't need cheerleaders sitting in the bleachers.
This country needs people to do their civic duty and take an active interest in
the public affairs which affect us all. As Plato said: " Those who do not care, and
refuse to take an active interest in the public affairs which affect them will only
guarantee the inevitable reign of Tyrany "

Read comment again.

Why? What's the difference? He has caved in every debate/discussion. The people who voted for Obama in 08 got fooled and continue to drink the kool aid.

Good post, hombre. I enjoyed getting all the negative votes from the
intransigent " Messiah " Nobama idol worshipers. I'm glad you didn't
waste your breath on the fugly emotional reactions of some of them.
They're blind. To their closed minds Nobama can do no wrong. It's
always someone else's fault. What a crock of shit that lame attitude is.
I voted for the bastard but my mind is still wide open. I waited 1, 1/2
years before I criticized him. In that time, I studied him, and found out
many sinister things about his associations and bad choices that make
me regret voting for both him & Biden. Commonsense is right, if he
were impeached Biden would take over until 1/13. He's a yutz too.

I pity the Democrats. Twice now they nominated Kerry and Nobama
who are very poor choices indeed. The Republicans are no better.
The choices they made were even worse. Both parties disgust me.
They're both Corporatist tools. I would rather have a voters strike
rather than vote for any more war criminals Hitler Bush or Mouseolini
Nobama. If the Democrats don't allow any primary challenge to him,
when they should have chosen Kucinich to run in 2008 instead, then
I feel it will prove something I've been suspecting for quite a while now:

That is, the nominees are pre selected behind the scenes by a cabal
not accountable to the American people, yet who do likely unduely
influence the electoral college. That they simply refer their selections
to the parties, then rig things in a way that virtualy guarantees their
puppet will prevail. It's only a justifiable suspicion. But it does fit ALL
the facts. (And to the people it's all out of sight out of mind). For how
Bush prevailed over Gore. Bush over Kerry. Nobama over McCain.
In fact it supports how Nobama was pre selected over Kucinich. I'd
like to see Kucinich/Greyson run against Paul/a decent R. who
supports ending the Fed, and having a voting record that reflects
some integrity. That per se would be a victory for all the American
people and the USA. Nobama is weak & indecisive, and caves to
the Repugnantcons ever chance he gets. That's why the political
cartoonists depict him with elephant ears. a subtlety lost on too many.

As for the lame idea there's no grounds to impeach Nobama, that
presumption is also a mental short circuit. Corporate TV media have
had a. 3 year love affair with Nobama. They are his synchophants too.
It's very suspicious that he hasn't had even 1 scandle they've exposed
in 3 years. Noone who runs and gets elected to the presidency is any
kind of boy scout. Power is ugly. Politicians are often sleezy power
brokers with exemplary acting ability as the Governor and Senator
of Illinois have proven before they were booted out of office in their
scandles. Anyone who works their way up the political ladder in
Racketeer town like Chicago is especialy suspect for covering up
their past. But then the corrupt infotainment excuse for real news
media were obviously biased toward him throughout the erection
campaign. They obviously unduely influenced people to vote for him.
Unless we get a radical in office who's willing to propose revolutionary
reforms to end the corruption...Someone like John F. Kennedy who's
willing to take the risk of being assasinated, they'll likely all be puppets
The process now is all a dog & pony show & sports contest for the suckers.

Make sure when you post something, you proof read it.

You mention John F. Kennedy as one of your favorites. I wonder how Marilyn Monroe thought about that. Maybe Bobby would have made a good president, hopefully a progressive one to make up for working for McCarthy. As for John, I would not judge his presidency as it was cut short tragically by who knows how many people.

I am so afraid for the future of this country with the extremists controlling the house. While I am wary of all politicians, I feel I owe this one a shot since for one thing he killed that slimeball Bin Ladin, got some kind of health care bill through, though I hope to see a single payer option. I also believe Obama was undermined by the voters who shifted gears in midterm rather than give this president a chance to do things in a completed first term.

Like you, I feel I am always on shaky ground. I voted for a Democrat, a progressive, and it seems to be this "progressive" Obama is too willing to play in the sandbox with the corporate fascists. But unlike you, I am not going to start frothing at the mouth and spouting off all kinds of what Ed Shultz calls Psychotalk.

I want to wait and see what comes out of these debt ceiling talks. I promise you this: if Obama comes out with a plan that in anyway screws you, your family, the middle class, the working class, I will come back on this site and pledge never to support this president or any Democrat again. I will NEVER vote for a Republican, and can only hope for a viable third party progressive choice. I wish we had a true social democracy instead of a plutocratic democratic republic. Right now we are limited to choosing between two parties both run by the plutocrats.

Now you know what happens if there is no viable third party. One of the candidates always gets hurt. Your frothing hatred of Obama will be eclipsed by your hatred for the new Republican president. And these Republicans will not be happy until we become a corpoate oligarchy known as the Corporate States of America.

Bill Maher, guesting on Lawerence O'Donnell said it best when he said that Democratic presidents in recent times have never really tried to do Democratic policy. It is like the best Republican presidents in recent years have been Democrats. And that is sad. You mentioned Clinton and NAFTA, a program right wing to the core.

Now hopefully things will not come out as you say they will. But if they do, and I have to eat crow, I certainly will. And will I be disappointed? Not really, because I mostly have a low opinion of politicians no matter what party they are a member of, so if one turns around and betrays me and my vote, I am not surprised, but at least I voted.

You have to understand also that the voters got us into this mess. Had they voted Democratic last November, most of us would not even know what a debt ceiling is. The FAA would still be up and running. Workers would not have their rights violated in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Maine. Florida, New Jersey, and Indiana. Women's rights would not be violated in Kansas. The voters wanted change too soon having forgotten what the Republicans did to us in the last decade.

When I walked into the polls last November, I knew exactly whom to vote for. I knew also the frightful agenda of the Republican Taliban. I can at least comfort myself that I did not help to vote this insanity into office.

By the way, when I voted for Obama, I was not completely comfortable with him especially regarding Israel and the middle east. At one time in my life, I was a one issue voter. Thankfully, I grew out of that and now vote for people I think will be best for this country and not necessarily for Israel. I live here, not there. Turns out, President Obama calls for Israel to return to pre-1967 borders with swaps. The Republicans and the right jumped on this as a way of trying to brand Obama as anti-Israel when in reality he is stating the position that all presidents have held, including Governor George W. Bush. While I don't like Obama's plan, I still intend to vote for him this November unless he screws the working and the middle class and if a viable 3rd party progressive has a good chance of winning.

You can write this after 8 years of Governor Tush? I'd like to know what's in the Kool-aid YOU are drinking.

I don't see you coming up with any alternatives. What you write simply betrays your self-aggrandizement.

Wow, you're saying a lot of things I have been thinking. The 2010 GOP candidates were more frightful than usual. And by the 2010 election, Obama still hadn't initiated anything firm in the direction of his campaign rhetoric.

In the spring of 2008, I was in Avignon (blowing my Bush check - it's not like I have had any other opportunities to visit Europe in the long years since my college semester abroad). I ran into a couple of Australian women, one of whom said she read & loved Obama's book, and wished she could vote for him. When I expressed ambivalence, she reminded me of the optimism of his writings in a tone that suggested that she was unlikely to entertain concerns about his relatively minimal track record, his political weaning in Chicago politics, and his lack of specific plans for achieving the change he alluded to. I did grant that his optimism was a refreshing change after the fear-based protection racket of the Bush administration.

But I occasionally think of her, and wonder how she views Obama now that his campaign promises have largely evaporated, and he seems so reluctant to do the kinds of things that would back up the kinds of optimism, change, concern for the difficulties of working people & fairness that were the script for his campaign.

Obama also doesn't seem to get that people aren't distressed with him because he didn't achieve everything he said he intended to do during his campaign. What is distressing is when he doesn't try - like when the potential for national health was downgraded to the public option which didn't even get put onto the bargaining table.

Last Friday, when he gave that po'd speech, I had a glimmer of hope that he might have found a way to strengthen his spine, but the subsequent speech and the retreating from a constitutional solution to the debt ceiling deadline indicates more of the same anything-but-fight Obama.

I know that, even to this point he hasn't been the kind of toxic presence in American politics that was the bush-cheney-rove trinity, but, even with my pre-election lack of conviction about him, he has been a crushing disappointment.

We have had 3rd parties successfully usurp established parties, which is why we don't vote for Progressive Party, or Democrat-Republican, or Federalist or Tory or Whig candidates.

If there is someone who could either beat Obama in a primary or as a 3rd party candidate, it would be Bernie Sanders.

Your story makes me really, personally sad that I voted for Obama, and that I felt that I had to vote for Obama because the other option was no rational choice at all.

And, is it just me, or do his actions lack any effort in the direction of doing actual concrete thing to help the disenfranchised, the poor, the sick, the deprived & the hopeless that were so much of the content of his campaign speeches?

I really enjoyed reading your post and will vote it up. As I have said before, I don't trust any politician. I am stil hoping that Obama won't betray the middle class and the working class, and I understand what you are saying.

Obama, by the way, hated the health care compromise he made as he supported the public option. I alsi believe that he is trying pretty hard considering the success now of General Motors. He also caught and killed Bin Ladin. But like, Bill Maher said: too many Democratic presidents are too busy trying to be Republican than Democratic.

I am sitting on the edge of my seat regarding these debt limit talks. I've said this before too: had the public voted Democratic last November, we would not even be having a debt limit crisis.

And yep, I would love to vote for a Bernie Sanders or a Van Jones if they had a chance to win in this plutocratic democratic republic of ours. Again great post and thank you.

While I harbor no hatred for President Obama, you were right about his betraying the rest of us with this debt ceiling deal...Now that I have all the facts of the deal, I am able to make this assessment...just wanted you to know as I promised I would if it turned out that he f--ked us which he did. By creating a super congressional commitee, he has created a third house in congress...nothing consitutional about that.

you are no American. you are a domestic terrorist for promoting the hatred of POTUS.

Thank you. If you've done nothing more than to prove the point that the
entire war on terror is a phony false flag contrivance of the CIA & FBI,
I appreciate your sarcasm, whether it was meant to be that way or not.
These 2 monsters have a long, provable track record of widespread
extreme abuses. They wanted to remake the USA in their immage.
Virtualy every candidate who's been erected president since Nixon
has been a puppet for these 2 monsters.They've Libeled peaceful
citizens w/o any criminal records, absolutely no History of violence
as " terrorists " because they oppose the Fed, oppose foreign wars,
oppose the $2.3 Trillion Prison Industrial complex which Prohibition
and the Dept of Injustice' A.G.'s/FBI maintain per their War on Drugs.
The only valid definition of terror logicly defined in that context is that
they're afraid the system is so pervasively corrupt and rotten to the
core, that if anyone seriously tried to reform it, it would collapse altogether.
That's not terrorism despite overgeneralizing the term to.absurdity.
We're not all uneducated fools. The FBI hate intellectuals like me
because I call them out on their extreme criminal abuses. Anyone
who can rightfuly call themselves a Patriot is someone they fear.

And he didn't really kill Bin Ladin. That was all staged and really Bin Ladin is living it up in the palace Obama built on Gitmo. I bet if you were president of the USA, you would know just what to do to make things better for us all? Right.

You forgot to photoshot in the bulls eyes.

You're an intellectual?

By the way, I happen to agree with you that the war on terror is phoney. We have a bunch of sick sociopathic religious fanatics running loose. I suggest we hunt them down as we would do any criminal, not send thousands of ground troops to fight them. I think the CIA and the FBI are suited to do this work. Send them to hunt down the psychos. And bring all our troops home. I am sure there are many James Bonds, Matt Helms, Derrick Flinst, and Bournes out there who would love the chance to be in their own live action movie.

LOL !!!

That be me, what brings you here partner?

A wormhole dropped me here!

No Doubt, have not seen you lately Orcas_Island... How Ya Doin'??? =)

I'm doin. Been travelling a little, fishing, gardening and bicycling.

orca's is so damn fit he could drop both of us, what's up KB.

That's Cool as all get out... I have been slacking this Summer... =(

Just passing through, checking out what's going on... Was hoping my post would have made first but still at second... It's all good I have much other work to be doing... You should join up at msj, you can send pics and vids there in a PM... I don't like posting pics of what I am up to here... To open for others to see... =)

How's Things with you jackhole???

Same ol' here, I actually set up a site 6 mo ago with similar specks, but I waiting on a guy to bump it to the next level, he's working for free so I can't push him. When it's ready for prime time I'll let you know---I want to make it invisible to the element, you know.

Waiting is for people with time to kill... I am not all that patient...

I ain't got the bucks nor the hook ups.

Yeah I hear you jackhole... But it does get old... Waiting that is, I am sure you will be Ok... But be sure to let me know... ;)

Why waste time and energy impeaching Obama, when his replacement would be no better. Instead, let's unite the patriot jihadists against corporate predators and the traitors in government who empower and assist them in their predation. Let's fuck over those who have been fucking the public over for decades at least!

Boy, your a big yawnfest.

Thanks.

LOL!

I would agree if we're talking about the ideals & policies on which he based his campaign. If we're talking about what he's done since he's been in office, not so much. He has not taken to the table at all things he should have fought for - and gave the impression during the campaign he supported - closing Gitmo, ending Afghan & Iraq wars, letting Bush tax cuts expire & the Public Option.

Yes, I am referring to his campaign promises, for the most part. When he has had to compromise to try to get things done I believe he has done so in good faith but the GOP will constantly turn their backs on their own ideas just to block any and all progress.

I remember Obama's campaign pledges to get us out of Iraq and refocus on Al Qaida, bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan responsible for 9/11.
He has kept his word.

prove it.

Isn't Bin Laden Dead Bro? Want more proof? Go fish out his dead cold body from the bottom of the Ocean.

Google it yourself.
I am tired of doing uninformed people's homework.