Extreme snowfall blankets parts of South Africa

Just a lack of thought.

The Greenhouse Effect (C02 and methane heat the atmosphere) has been accepted science for over a hundred years.

The "Little Ice Age" was caused by the sudden death of tens of millions of Native Americans with the arrival of European diseases. Atmospheric carbon and methane levels dropped and Earth's temperatures went down.

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Unlike the extremists who would never dream of linking the latest drought, heatwave, storm, cool period, shower, sunny day, or Christmas to man-made Global Warming.

there's been a syntax alteration
global warming is now called: climate change
it's been re-branded due to the negativity pasted onto global warming

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The planet is messed up regardless of the term or cause...we need to change our values no matter what argument you come with. Awareness and change or perish...then the diversionary discussion most certainly stops.

I don't waste my time. They deny reality itself.

Realists don't deny reality - we just don't try to blame someone for it.

So what is it then?
HAARP?
The Sun?
Natural fluctuations???
Please fill us in Rodster!
I have yet to see any scientific studies you have posted on this.
Just a lot of cocky bluster.

This is about amplification of the hydrologic cycle which includes Co 2 AND other elements. Try to keep up . Oh BTW, burn any books lately? And just in case others who are new wonder why I asked that- this person condoned Al Gore's book Our Choice which is about solutions to be burned by a bunch of hateful Larouche clones at book signings like the Nazis used to do. You are no one to be coming here and trying to make yourself look like you know anything about this or even care about this planet. Your agenda is very clear.

ignorance may be your bliss...not mine

Excellent observation dugdog!
Too few people are thinking of this in terms of millions of years (which it might take to recover from what we've done in just a few generations).
We are such shortsighted baby boomers. It's all about ME here and now.

you might be interested in this:

in the permafrost, and in the sea bed, are methane clathrates
the worldwide amounts of methane bound in gas hydrates is conservatively
estimated to be twice the amount of carbon found in all known fossil fuels
on Earth

there are methane clathrates present in deep Antarctic ice cores holding a
history of atmospheric methane concentrations dating 800,000 years ago

the ice-core methane clathrate record is a primary source of data for global
warming research, along with oxygen and carbon dioxide

methane in the atmosphere is 20 x the green house gas effect of CO2
(methane half-life approx 6 years to CO2 20 years)
but
methane has a global warming potential of 62 over 20 years and
21 over 100 years
(IPCC : Berner and Berner, 1996 : vanLoon and Duffy, 2000)

climate change is already warming the arctic
if methane is released
a powerful feedback cycle would speed climate change exponentially
we will know within the next 5 years if that is the case...

if 32 inches of snow fell in houston texas, that would be a hell of a surprise... houston has winters too ya know... and 32 inches compared to an annual dusting of snow (just like houston or dallas gets) is cause for alarm

got about half that much in Abilene Texas this past winter....now my yard looks like a desert and we've been in triple digits for day 44 or 45 now. Texas is hot but its not this damn hot...or shouldn't be.

Midwinter in South Africa is like Midwinter in Jacksonville, Fla.

yep up here around ft worth we are working on our 25th day in triple digits and the "grass" is crunchy and leaves splinters... its not good, not good at all
then of course you remember the ice storms in dfw last year... how crazy

I do we had some weird ones too. I no longer have grass, I have dust and yellow stuff that blows away on windy days. My evergreen bushes out front are now ever orange bushes.....My single Cactus (yucca plant I think) is dying.....a cactus is dying....but yeah the weather's fine...its not changing.... Once they said if you don't like the weather in Texas wait five minutes........that was a long time ago though. (five years)

And it's summer here. It's about more than seasons.

No shit....

I hate to admit it but I agree with you here.
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The one thing we all seem to agree on is that global warming is dramatically changing weather patterns. The polar regions are getting more precipitation while the subtropical regions are getting drier, just by a 2 degree F increase in global temperature over the past century.
The role of clouds in climate change is still not well understood as any climatologist will admit.
It all depends on whether we get more low cumulus clouds which reflect away heat or more high cirrostratus clouds which hold in heat.
Observing this situation for decades it looks like it will require divine intervention to prevent a climate meltdown at this point.
But didn't Jesus say "I will return in the clouds"?

INDEED, sometimes scriptures say "in the clouds" othertimes "on the clouds", so what did he mean? In Acts when Jesus went upward the last time it says the clouds took him out of their vision (paraphrased). From this we can deduce that both coming in & on the clouds means his Presence would be invisible (Presence not Coming, a mistranslation of the world Parousia).

Which all means he could've already been returned without being seen, which is in fact what has happened. The mainstream religions are all false prophets when they keep telling people to look yet to the future for what has already taken place.

The question is though exactly what did his "return" mean? It means more than what those churches are telling because they suffer major ignorance. His "return" was to be in kingdom power ready to rule the planet... so right now he is preparing to do just that, but he has to wait til his Father gives him the go ahead.

And THAT is because they are not the same person (Trinity).

I didn't intend to turn this important debate into a religious contest but I must respond.
What if the Bible is right in the last book of the last chapter: "And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations" (Rev. 22:2)?
Could it really be that simple?

Debate? I just added to what you already knew, that's all. Revelation 22 v 2 is plural "trees". Isaiah 61 v 3 calls them "big trees of righteousness", so in Rev. 22 v 2 they are not real trees!

They are the 144,000 mentioned twice, once in Revelation 7 again at Ch. 14 v 1. You can read about them some more at Revelation 20 v 4-6, where it says #1 they rule as God's new priest class and #2 they are co-Rulers with the Christ. As priests they are between God and restored mankind used to deliver the benefits of Jesus' ransom his shed blood and life.

hahaha You asked a good question. At Rev. 14 v 4 it explains these "trees" were "bought from among mankind". They have suffered every suffering a man or woman has ever had to deal with, so they are like representatives between the "Meek" who inherit the earth living down here forever and God in heaven. Having suffered as humans (not being angels) they will be very capable in their jobs. And yes, many of them were women.

There's a little more to it I'm not at liberty to print at this time... but that's plenty sufficient for now. The rest (the "leaves") will have to reach you through the pages of the Watchtower Society magazines whenever they decide to release it. It isn't my call.

So "they" teach you that the Tree of Life is not a real tree because of some vague passage in Isaiah?

Both Joseph Smith and Mary Baker Eddy claimed their books were "the leaves of the tree for the healing of the nations." How very egocentric!

Monotheistc dogma is what created this massive mess in the first place and now you tell us that a tree is not really a tree?

Didn't what's-his-name say "A tree is known by its fruit"?

I see why there are so many athiests in the world. Too much talk and too little action.

No, Jesus taught us that. His use of tree there was not literal either. Jesus gave us a rule he followed stated at Matthew 13 v 34... when he spoke to his followers he was literal, but when he taught regular folk they were illustrative stories also called parables. He used much symbolism that has totally passed over your head.

Perhaps once you lose your stinking attitude you could learn something.

Pages in books were at one time referred to as "leaves". But they (Joseph Smith & Mary Baker Eddy) were using a literal explanation, so they were both wrong and we are right.

I agree with you in "too little action", sort of because you are concentrating on the Physical. But the trees are busy preparing for war (Armageddon) plus sending down new information (Bible insights) to us. You think nothing's happening because you're outside the loop that knows what's happening.

That isn't our fault. That's in YOUR lap.

Oh PLEASE g_m!
Jan has posted a very important article on the hydrologic cycle.
Sorry I brought up Geezeus!
If you are intent on converting me to the JWs please take it offline.

No need. You've already thrown yourslef into the sun.

Thanks Coolplanet.
"...global warming is dramatically changing weather patterns."
Oh, and I agree with you so much now because something happened yesterday that changed my mind about man-made global warming - it rained. It has never rained at my house at 3:26pm on July 26th for over a century. The rain shower had all the fingerprints of man-made global warming.
I repent my sins. I'm going to buy a solar panel for recharging batteries (it's all I can afford until my BP shares pick up) and that will make a change to my carbon footprint and help to save the planet.
Now I'm going to talk to a tree ;~D

Clint Eastwood sang a great song "I talk to the trees but they don't listen to me."
Obviously you believe that one anomalous rain shower in your neighborhood means everything.
Wow do we even begin to understand how extremely self-absorbed our generation truly is???

"Obviously you believe that one anomalous rain shower in your neighborhood means everything. "
Well, you seem to! Once again we have the extremists shouting "global warming" about every weather event.

"Wow do we even begin to understand how extremely self-absorbed our generation truly is???"
Self-absorbed with the weather, perhaps.

The planet is messed up regardless of the term or cause...we need to change our values no matter what argument you come with. Awareness and change or perish...then the diversionary discussion most certainly stops

yep

Thanks, but I don't subscribe to 17th century religious thinking.

As far as I can tell, you don't subscribe to any thinking at all.

It is obvious you are ignorant of what is being discussed here. As it states above, “Snow is not unheard of but it is usually not this extreme.” And you know what you can do with your Al Gore reference. Now go make a martini and sit by your window and go back into your apathetic daze.

NO, but fossil fuel CO2 release had been occurring for decades already. Warren, you have seriously crossed the line of appearance of objectivity to the flagrant appearance of being the most conspicuous form of corporate puppet shill. Be careful friend.

Jan ... I deal in facts, not emotion. It snows in these countries. And you avoided my questions about snow in LA and mid May in Boston thirty years ago.

That's because it is irrelevant to what is happening today, if it is even true. This isn't about one isolated incident but a string of GLOBAL events and climate trends over years that are now precipitating and making themselves known through visible patterns of frequency, longevity and severity with visible effects on a global scale. But since you think this is about one event in one place, then perhaps you can then tell me why it reached 65 degrees on Christmas Day in NJ in 1996...It's a tired denier tactic trying to cherrypick to make no point at all, and frankly it's a tiresome worn out game.

Every time it snows anywhere deniers always say "So much for global warming."
You people "think" that it means every day will get hotter from now on.
Well it's a lot more complicated than that if you bother to read the science.
The way we are fucking up our atmosphere could actually trigger an ice age with the melting of arctic ice shutting down the gulf stream (as happened 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age).
Educate yourself my fair weathered friend.

Warren, anyone believes in this case really doesn't matter. If you stand on a set of railroad tracks and claim the light in the tunnel is just the opening on the other side, when the train hits you, you'll still be dead.

We can all argue forever about this but it is what it is. The Arctic ice is disappearing and we now have an open Northwest passage. Greenland's ice sheet is melting, glaciers have all but disappeared around the globe. The mid-West is in the midst of a blistering long term drought with temperatures well over 100 degrees. Last year temperatures in Moscow exceeded 100 degrees. Flooding in the mid-west, far more tornadoes than usual and in places that rarely see them. The Pentagon has acknowledged global warming as a future security risk as have many insurance companies.

Whether you believe global warming is occurring or not, SOMETHING is happening to our climate that isn't amenable to our future on the planet.

Querying NCDC for temperature data throughout NJ for December 25th 1996, I failed to find anywhere that reached the 65 degrees you mentioned, here's a sample below.

Weather data from the National Climatic Data Center:
December 25th 1996.
Hoboken, NJ Maximum Temperature 54.0 °F
Bloomfield, NJ Maximum Temperature 53.6 °F
New Brunswick, NJ Maximum Temperature 53.6 °F
Scotch Plains, NJ Maximum Temperature 53.6 °F
Trenton, NJ Maximum Temperature 51.8 °F
Woodbridge, NJ Maximum Temperature 53.6 °F

Maybe NCDC have it wrong?
However Cornell University did have this to say about December 1996.
"The region reported an average temperature departure of 6 degrees above normal, which was warm enough to make it the fourth warmest December on record"

So, even though it was a slightly warmer period it was only the fourth warmest on record (however long that record is).

When I was ten it was 70 on Christmas in New England. It must have been climate change in the 60's (sarcasm).

You're welcome. This is part of biodistress that has been warned about for years especially in line with agriculture. Some areas of the world will wind up having to change their economies and what they grow and where they grow it as affects become more pronounced and erratic. India has already seen this regarding the timing of monsoons.

Yes, they need to destroy.

Go figure! Somalia is 2,000 miles from South Africa.

Aristophanes once wrote, roughly translated; "Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."

" I have more intelligence in my pinkie than you have in your head."

All evidence to the contrary. And here predictably come the usual invectives about my being mentally unbalanced and having an Al Gore altar in my house. I actually could flag you for calling me emotionally unbalanced, but I think people need to see what the deniers here are really like. Sure signs you have no counter facts and feel threatened by the effectiveness of the information provided which you cannot counter. Duly noted.

Anonymous once said, "In order to grasp infinity simply contemplate the extent of human ignorance."
There is a big difference between being stupid and being ignorant.
Stupidity is genuinely not knowing something.
Ignorance is knowing something but ignoring it.
So ignorance is actually denial. You don't want to believe the evidence because that would require admitting you're wrong and taking action to correct it.

You could and did flag my post.

Everything Jan has posted has occurred on the planet in previous decades and centuries.

All during the same period?
Get a clue.

Waste of time.

That's their latest tactic, they hate free speech.

At one time, and not so long ago, most weather events weren't reported and the world never got to hear about them. In this time of instant news and communication, and an increasing fascination with weather, almost every rain-storm is reported as though it were something new and unusual. It is difficult to find a weather event that has not occurred somewhere on the planet at some point in our recent and distant history. We're witnessing nothing new, by any means.
As for our climate, this is one of the best climate periods our planet has seen. Periods like this are known as optimums, and not without good reason.
If you think things were better before the planet entered a natural warming period 150 years ago, you really ought to do some reading.

No I didn't.

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Voted you up. Looks like the sour grapes denier who thinks scoring points is more important than the information is at it again.

and a big +^d for you as well ! "Its not NICE to fool [with] Mother Nature" !

good map. +^d