Georgia pol who wanted to criminalize miscarraiges, State Rep. Bobby Franklin, Found Dead

My understanding of his plan does not go far enough for me to answer that one. I do know the law he proposed would require women to have doctors or other medical experts prove miscarriages were due to some naturally occurring medical condition or the women could be charged with murder. Now, what the punishment for murder is in GA, I do not know. But his law would assume all women who miscarried were guilty of murder and force them to attempt to prove otherwise. I think that might just be unconstitutional, but with the Stevens court, I have qualms about how a ruling would actually go. Stevens' court does not seem especially bothered with the Constitution.

I could't have said it better myself, and I'm glad you did.

Doubt that very much. He was certainly unkind and not very Christian in remarks about tornado victims. He was just another control freak who really didn't care about people and their actual needs from where I view it.

By Satan. :)

Should we start with far left liberals?

Well then that would defeat Johnny's idea - "get rid of...the most idiotic". Thanks for helping to prove his point.

Ah, yes, the distinction between "wishing someone dead" and not being sorry after someone is, and grim jokes made by creatures that will face the same fate.

Interesting point, percipi224. And one more reason for universal healthcare, REAL healthcare in America. We might just find better health care will result in a more civil society and less destructive political ravings which allow the pols and the Hoarder Class to keep us too busy fighting each other to notice how they are screwing all of us.

My condolences regarding the changes in your mom. Have seen it myself. It is terribly sad when people get so bitter they only notice the bad things in life.

interesting idea, but aren't politicians elected brain dead

But don't people with his job get insurance?

And an earlier post points out he mentioned chest pain to a nurse he knew, and she suggested they discuss it "later"

Sorry I didn't get my point across. I really don't give a fig about him. But there are lots of people who need care and aren't getting it. Like precipi224's mom, many will suffer changes in personality and behavior due to untreated medical problems and that creates a bad social climate.

When so many are not getting care and so many of those could be suffering behavior changes which make them bitter and/or hateful, paranoid, or just plain mean, we all suffer the consequences. And it is likely we are seeing conditions now in society which might not be so bad re political discourse on a nation level, if people who needed care got it and did not feel so bad or lose blood flow to the brain which lowers their capacity for constructive thought and behavior.

Precipi224 brought an excellent point to the discussion: Poor blood flow from untreated medical problems can and does cause some people to get mean. We have serious problems in our society that have some root in just plain meanness. Proper care for everybody might just lessen some of that.

On the other hand, I was reflecting on the rising cost of "health" care in the greatest, highest standard of living, god fearing, intelligent nation on this rock....and I was struck by the rising premiums, co-pays, deductibles and other benefits of a system that sucks 20% or more for administrative overhead and inflated "not for profit" salaries. So soon, nobody will have any access to this bogus health system, that is after they have used up their savings, retirement and equity in their homes to pay for prescriptions and the never ending related costs of illness. The result may be that a general overall improvement in health. And with the coming devaluation of the dollar, we may witness here what a friend of mine witnessed in 1990's Argentina. Doctors, dentists and lawyers living in cardboard boxes (karma), cause if your money is only worth 33% of what it was yesterday, are you really going to starve to death so you can get your teeth whitened? I can eat for 5 days for one copay. I have yet to be impressed by anyone in the health field and have fired many a doctor for being obtuse and incompetent. Our medical system seems to be based on our political social control model, that of fear. Eat well and spend less time at the doctors. And if you slim down, you might not need that knee replacement for a while.

Thats a good possibility thanks for reminding me of that

give a fig! that'll cost you :)

telcod, point taken. But, how can money be made with telling folks to prevent illness. There isn't any room in capitalism for cures. Big Pharma won't allow that, including the healthcare professionals who are actually competent and do love their jobs for the sake of making people better. You see all the flack Michelle Obama took just for suggesting kids eat right and excercise. Controlling what people eat is just as much controlling the masses, as controlling how much food costs. People need to eat better, and get themselves healthier to keep individual healthcare costs down, but we have a system designed to keep people uninformed and unhealthy.

Indeed we do so enjoy profit over people. But, then again, we used to have a notion of "commonwealth"which could be revitalized and could be expanded to include common-health. Check out Lee Camp's "Moment of Clarity #65" on You Tube. He kinda hits it on the head with regards to how the wealthy are killing the goose that laid the golden egg (the middle class) and in doing so they are slitting their own throats. Greed kinda gets short sighted (and smells funny). Peace be upon you and remember we hang together or we hang alone.

PS Don't get hung up on the Obama's. Look what Hillary got for taking on Corporate Medicine. And then she became one of the highest bankrolled shill for those same interests.

I like figs and am growing fond of figgdimension too

Whole nother discussion and I hope to engage in the topic with you. We share some similar views.

What I propose re Universal Health care would be a medicare-like system that does not siphon so much off for administration like private insurance does. But, it is for another day and another news story.

It's all so true, Telcod.
I don't consider myself poor, but having experienced the same institutionalized greed and systemic incompetence in a series of medical encounters in my (affluent) community in the recent past, I do my best to wait until I'm out of the country to seek any type of medical care.
This wasn't always true, but the last fully functioning US physician I had (honest, competent and forthcoming) was gone more than an decade ago.
Yet, I can still get the same good and transparent care he once provided in a dozen other countries I can name and visit.
I put off getting medical check-ups here now to my detriment, but I'm (foolishly, I expect) relying on my anger and sense of essential fairness to carry me through.

I even have mixed feelings about the outcome of our current economic meltdown.
A part of me wonders if it itself might be instrumental in helping to loosen or unravel the overwhelming edifice of corruption that has a stranglehold on this country.

Peace be upon you. Yes, as we muddle around in the the fall of the Empire, it is sad, especially for those still opting for the normalcy bias. Wish you well. I lost my family physician about 25 years ago. A weird little man who was totally brilliant. For a lift, check out Lee Camp on You Tube. His spots are called Moment of Clarity.

Will do. Thanks.

Hmm, as you rail against our community regarding YOUR perception of us by calling us names and preaching for mercy for evil people, you name people that are evil and deserve no mercy.

Get over yourself. You are not a part of the solution and I, for one, see evil in your words.

I didn't notice anyone here wishing anyone dead. I noticed some celebrating one less hate filled control freak. Mostly I noticed people not being bereaved, and there is a big difference between that and actually wishing someone dead.

He was espousing and supporting policies that caused people to die.

Thank you for this comment, ReMarker. Nailed it. Voted up!

Death is a natural part of life Warren grow up

yups agreed

Warren, the entire GOPeaParty wants folks dead. (See: NRA, reduced health care, murder of health care providers, reduction in hunger aid, blocking disaster aid, reducing regulation on pollution, fracking, etc., etc., etc.) And they don't give a shit about how painful the journey to death is. They know only that providing for people might mean raising taxes on the wealthy. And Good God Almighty, that can't happen.

So, frankly, fuck this asshole. And his inbred family, his soulless friends, and the party he represents.

"the entire GOPeaParty wants folks dead." - left wing rhetoric

"So, frankly, fuck this asshole. And his inbred family" - You have no soul.

Basing one's opinion of an entire group on one's opinion of one member of that group is bigotry, pure and simple. You, sir, just engaged in a bigoted attack on liberals. You. Not all Republicans, not all conservatives, YOU.

seems a fool's errand

Noooooooo! Are you saying that someday, some way I might not be around???? Say it ain't so, lie to me baby, tell me I'm gonna live (young and healthy) forever! Dan Savage said it's gonna get BETTER and dieing isn't an improvement on my life plan.

I was in that same situation eight years ago, I kept having chest pains and I took myself to the emergency room. thank god I listen to my inner intutition.

i have always told my patients to "listen to your body... you know what's best"

kudos to you, cherry5000 , you did the correct thing!

(i can't say "you did the "right thing" anymore since "the right" means whackadoodlw-nuts)

Well, no one said he was bright.

Yep yep. I use 'correct' instead of 'right' now too.

thanks for those kind words, I know what you mean (smile)

ouch!

While I did not wish him dead, I am relieved there is one less control freak who worked to make abortion less safe and less available, thereby assuring more women would die needlessly. He was a threat to female health. Period.

not only female health, he was a threat to our country, our freedom, our laws, and our constitution... some people deserve to die... hes one of them

Indeed Persecuted... =)

Something to consider: farm animals can never decide to talk to the tabloids....

RAMAN!!!!

This may sound like a dumb question, but what does that mean?

Even more ironic: God listens to Pagans too!

Correct me if I'm wrong but my guess would be "Not much, and that's the point"

RAMEN! And you shall be touched by his noodly appendage :D hahaha its the pastafarian religion

He Vacated his Encapsulent... =)

God or that other Guy... =)

Now, if it has been a choice advocate found dead, we might hear Pat Robertson claiming it was god's punishment for their work on behalf of reproductive freedom.

Now he might say..."The Rapture has taken him."

But I would say God has spoken....He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

2/3rds of the female population from 35 and up would be arrested....Can I hear you say Witch hunt?

Robertson would undoubtedly claim God's will was done, as you observe.

Love the username, BTW. I refer to Attila the Hun frequently when I am subjected to people's aggressive behavior. Example; You have the social graces of Attila the Hun, however, attilatheblond conjures the idea of aggressive behavior that may be more likeable than the Hun's.

Nic name was given to me by an observant friend who really took the time to know me. He got it right. Soft on the outside and pretty much until someone crosses me three times LOL