Community | July 31, 2011 | 37 comments

GOP on verge of huge, unprecedented political victory

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By all accounts, it looks like a deal is about to be announced in which the debt ceiling is hiked in exchange for the promise of major spending cuts, including to entitlements, totalling at least $2.4 trillion.

Anything can happen, but it apppears the GOP is on the verge of pulling off a political victory that may be unprecedented in American history. Republicans may succeed in using the threat of a potential outcome that they themselves acknowledged would lead to national catastrophe as leverage to extract enormous concessions from Democrats, without giving up anything of any significance in return.

Not only that, but Republicans — in perhaps the most remarkable example of political up-is-downism in recent memory — cast their willingness to dangle the threat of national crisis as a brave and heroic effort they’d undertaken on behalf of the national interest. Only the threat of national crisis could force the immediate spending cuts supposedly necessary to prevent a far more epic crisis later.

Under the emerging deal, President Obama can hike the debt limit in two stages — the first in exchange for equivalent cuts; the second after a Congressional committee comes up with second round of yet more cuts, including to entitlements. The talks appear close to resolving the spending cut“trigger” that would force the committee to act — without giving the GOP an incentive to deliberately sabotage its work. The remaining question is how to get it through the House. But a deal seems immiment.

Again and again, Dems drew lines in the sand that they promptly erased as the threat of default grew. A clean debt ceiling hike? Dropped. Cuts to Medicare benefits? They’ll likely be in that committee’s crosshairs. The insistence on revenue hikes? Withdrawn.

What make this all the more remarkable is that throughout this process, Republicans themselves conceded not just that a debt ceiling hike would be disastrous for America, but also that it was inevitable. Yet they were still able use the threat of default as leverage. How?

The simple answer: Dems weren’t prepared to allow default — no matter what. Republicans, by contrast, treated the debt ceiling hike as a necessity, but one that had to happen on their terms. In a remarkable act of political cynicism, they recast the debt ceiling hike itself as a GOP concession — even though they had already agreed it had to happen to avert an epic national crisis. And Dems made this possible by accepting the dynamics of the situation as Republicans defined it. Whether there was another alternative for Dems is another question.

If Dems had refused to budge from the demand for a clean hike, would Republicans have blinked — or would they have allowed default? The bottom line is Dems weren’t prepared to take that risk, and the fast-approaching deadling meant moving to negotiations was imperative. Should Obama have waged a far more aggressive P.R. campaign to saddle the GOP with potential blame for default? Maybe, but public opinion in recent days was running strongly for compromise and against Republicans — and they still continued to use the threat of default as leverage. Could Dems have had more success with a more aggressive approach? We’ll never know. Call it the road not taken.

The road that was taken is leading to a deal in which Dems are aggreeing to take huge amounts of money out of the economy when the recovery is shaky at best. It also seems to ensure that Dems will agree to entitlements cuts heading into an election where the GOP was supposed to be deeply vulnerable over their drive to end Medicare as we know it. Dems will promise to salvage victory in the form of “smart” entitlement reform. Maybe so. For now, it appears the GOP is on the verge of a huge and unprecedented victory.

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37 comments // GOP on verge of huge, unprecedented political victory

  • sugarmountian
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      sugarmountian  
    • Well it passed and the thugs won. I voted for Obama, now that he's a republican now what? I will not vote for him again! Come on Bernie your our last hope. If those bastards get the house and senate back we don't stand a chance.
      Please Bernie do the 3rd party thing and save this country.

    • 10 months ago
  • DougChristian
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      DougChristian  
    • sugarmountian:

      So you want a real Republican back in office? And you'd hand them the Senate in the process? I love Bernie Sanders, but you'd have to be mentally handicapped not to understand that he can't get more than 30% of the vote in this country. Seems like a common condition around here though so don't feel too bad.

    • 10 months ago
  • bike10
  • gypsysailor
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  
    • You know, it's really easy to blame the president for giving in or whatever you believe, but he is trying to keep the country running with half of the government dedicated to his downfall. With a country in the balance you do not play chicken with someone that is suicidal. And the GOP has proven time and time again that they are willing to destroy a country to bring B.Ob down.

      Honestly, I find it utterly ridiculous to continuously blame the president when he is doing whatever he can to keep the nation afloat despite the contemptuous circumstances he's in. It is the GOP that should be the target of your hostility. Holding Obama solely responsible and ignoring the context of his administration is playing right into their strategy. They WANT you to bad mouth the president at every turn because it makes what they do easier.

      If you are a progressive and you want to see this country get better, get a back bone and stand behind the only change we really have of getting back on the right track. At this point in the game, their is no alternative. Could he have handled it better? Of course. There is not debating that. But the alternative will destroy the nation in no uncertain terms.

      Wake up.

    • 10 months ago
  • nanac
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      nanac  
    • AreOh:

      Tea-Party/Republicans are aware of the fact, that many of Obama supporters are weak minded, and they didn't have a long term commitment to him, and/or his dream of making America a more perfect Union. Millions of them are ex Hillary's supporters, who never supported him wholeheartedly.
      President Obama said from the very beginning, that bringing about change to the American political system would be difficult, and he is correct.
      It has taken more than two centuries for America to acquire her present dilemma, and it will take more than two years for Obama to solve it.

    • 10 months ago
  • meesh76
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      meesh76  
    • nanac:

      nanac, I understand your point, but I beg to differ. I don't feel Obama is losing his base support because they are weak minded or ex-Hillary supporters. I believe he is losing his base because he hasn't stayed true to his true base of support. Obama hasn't fought for real progressive change since he became president, and that is royally pissing his remaining base support off. We all understand that change doesn't happen overnight, but when you see there really isn't much change, we all have to come to the realization that Obama may not be the change we can believe in. We need to fight win, lose or draw for a progressive agenda, and we need a leader that is willing to do so. I think naive democrats need to realize this fact.

    • 10 months ago
  • kgMA
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • nanac:

      Very few of Hillary's supporters went for Obama, only the hard line party types. I supported Hillary and I would never and will never support Obama after the way he conducted his campaign against her. He has shown himself to be a fraud and a phony, and his incompetence in office only becomes more glaring everyday. I have never voted for a Republican foe President before, I ultamately voted for Nader in 2008. but if there is no primary challenge to Obama, and voting for a Republican is the only way to get him out of office, I'll have to hold my nose and do it. That's what you get from the two party system, lessor of two evils, everytime.

    • 10 months ago
  • meesh76
  • nanac
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      nanac  
    • meesh76:

      You have to take into consideration that no other President in history, was hated as much as Obama is. The Tea-Baggers were elected because of the intense hatred that many Americans have for him. Many Whites in the Democratic Party are closet racist and didn't/don't support him whole-heartedly.
      Mitch McConnell promised to make Obama a one term President from day one, and the entire Republican Party focused on that single goal.
      If Obama had sufficient support initially, he could/would have implemented more progressive policies. When he is reelected and if the Progressives take back Congress, he will accomplish the type of changes that he campaigned on.
      To give up on Obama now is only making it possible for the Tea-Baggers to take over the White House.

    • 10 months ago
  • meesh76
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      meesh76  
    • JohnA:

      whoa, whoa, whoa--now I hear you johna, but voting for any republican candidate now would be suicide. Who are you choosing?-Bachmann, Cain, maybe Perry--Romney??-Their all batshits!! Let's not get carried away.

    • 10 months ago
  • meesh76
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      meesh76  
    • nanac:

      I don't believe Obama is the most hated President, but he definitely does have obstacles different than any other president. I will give him that. Obama is allowing others to set the agenda and the rules of his presidency and he is idly following along and compromising away his own supporters. No matter how terrible Bush was as president, he was a leader. Now he wiped out the middle class in this country, and we say he was stupid and dumb, but if you think about it, Haliburton has all the government contracts, many of them No-Bid, cha-cheng Cheney----and when he ran for prez he had a net worth of 3 million dollars, when Bush left office his worth was reported at around 30 million, reported. He is on record saying there are two constituencies to his base, the have and the have mores--and of course, we can't forget his most famous saying, telling NATO that if they are not for us, then they are against us, and hence, we went to war without much outside support. So, he was a leader, to many of us he was the worst, but to his BASE, I would argue that many of them are the top 1%, and they have Bush to thank. Not so dumb if that was his agenda all along. What is Obama's agenda is the current question?? What he says and does don't add up.

    • 10 months ago
  • nanac
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      nanac  
    • JohnA:

      Contrary to what you think, the majority of Hillary supporters voted for Obama. Hillary is the one that conducted herself in an undignified manner by resorting to racism, lies, questioning his relationship with Rev. Wright, and numerous other tricks. She went as far to go back on a deal after she started losing,
      and lied and said that he was the one that reneged on the agreement.
      Obama is a long way from being incompetent, it is an established fact that he is a genius and have accomplished more in his short stay in office, than presidents who served two terms.
      It is obvious that you are an Obama hater (sore loser), and you would rather see this Country go up in flames, than to see him President. You are permitting hate to cloud your judgement, and you are revealing your true self. Your hate for President Obama is stronger than the love for your Country. No one in their right mind could/would support a Tea-Bagger, when they are destroying the Country, and committing treason by pledging to implement ALEC policies.

    • 10 months ago
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • nanac:

      They only voted for him by default. The lessor of two evils, that's what you get from the two party system. She was right to question Rev. Wright, no one else did, certainly not the media, and it deserved much more coverage than it got, there are still a lot of unanswered questions and unresolved flat out lies. He will go down as one of the most pathetically weak and incompetant Presidents in history and at this moment I could not think of a worse choice. Maybe four years of a Republican President will teach the Democrats not to squander their opportunities with weak-kneed inexperienced canadates just because the media fawns over their spouting of platitudes.

    • 10 months ago
  • JohnA
  • nanac
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      nanac  
    • meesh76:

      Just because you believe something don't make it so. President Obama has received an unprecedented amount of racism/hatred directed at him. Unlike other presidents, he has not received the respect that comes with the position, and it is all contributed to hate.
      President Obama didn't allow the Tea-Baggers-Republicans to set the agenda, you are repeating the Republican's talking points. The Tea-Baggers/Republicans changed the subject by creating a fake crisis to make him look bad.
      Please don't compare President Obama to, President Bush, because there is no comparison. Hitler was a leader, however just like Bush he was a horrible leader, and the world has suffered a huge loss because of their leadership. Bush was president in name only, he was controlled by Right Wing extremist like the people in his administration, he was just the front man. If President came into office with the same budget surplus, good economy, the cooperation from some member of Congress of the opposing party, then I could/would consider him as weak. Under the present circumstances, Obama is an extraordinary president, even a great one.
      Obama has a clear agenda that is obvious to his supporters, to take America into the 21st century, by promoting the general welfare of her People.

    • 10 months ago
  • nanac
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      nanac  
    • JohnA:

      Hillary used the race card, and she was defeated because of it. You are being extremely dishonest when you say that the MSM, has given Obama a free pass. The Conservative Media has been anti-Obama from day one. They are owned by the uber rich, and they set the political dialogue to influence the voters. Obama wants them to pay their fair share of taxes, and they have much more to lose than you, and you hate his guts because he is a Black man with more class than all of the Tea-Baggers/Republicans, and Liberals haters combined!

    • 10 months ago
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • nanac:

      She wasn't defeated, the nomination was stolen from her. She got more votes, she got more states, she got the biggest states, he got the nomination. Stolen from her, and the media has the nerve to paint Bill Clinton of all people as a racist to do it, just because Obama gave them a thrill up their legs. Yeah, going to a racist preacher's church for 20 years and then claiming you don't know what he said, real class there.

    • 10 months ago
  • nanac
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • nanac:

      The nomination, from Hillary, yes he did, with the help of the DNC. She won more states, she got more votes, she got all the big states. All he won were small states, territories, and caucuses. She won New York, she won California, she won Texas, then they changed the rules so that Texas had a caucus and a primary, so he gets more delegates out of the state. They added delegates to Hawaii at the last minute because they knew he would win it. They totally disregarded Florida and Michigan on a technicality because she won both states. He bought off superdelegates with campaign donations from his PAC, most of whom's districts and states went for her. If the Democratic primary had been determined like the electoral college, she would have won. If it had been determined like the Republican primary, she would have won. There is no way you can tell me the DNC did not hand the nomination, and thusly the Presidency, that she rightfully won over to him on a silver platter.

    • 10 months ago
  • nanac
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      nanac  
    • JohnA:

      You are delusional, if you think that a Black man can get away with stealing anything in the good old USA. Obama would be imprisoned for stealing a mint candy, not to mention a presidential election.
      Hillary won, just like you said that Obama was born in Kenya. You Tea-Baggers are sore losers. Just face it, a Black man is your President, get over it already! Lol

    • 10 months ago
  • Schnookums
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      Schnookums  
    • The Democrats are just as committed to the current monetary system as the Republicans are......there is no need for further proof beyond their actions.

      If they weren't on the side of the banks that control the debt and the currency of the country, this would have looked completely different.

      Never forget who they really fight for when push gives way to shove. To say that they don't deserve your loyalty is a gross understatement.

    • 10 months ago
  • rgrisham
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      rgrisham  
    • I am not sure what President Obama or his advisors think they've accomplished with this new round of Republican ass whipping, other than his resolve is as weak as his speeches are empty.

    • 10 months ago
  • Richard_Wyatt
  • letsliveinpeace
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • If you want, even a HOPE for, a median compromise, -you have to be EVEN MORE willing to watch the world burn than the "other" guy. Period. Final answer,. Now and forever. For so long as man exists. Absorb that.

      added to - "I HATE THEM ALL" group. Don't get to use that one much.

    • 10 months ago
  • TrishR
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      TrishR  
    • remanns:

      Not that I like quoting the bible, but it's the old Solomon & the two baby mamas story. (I wonder if that's another story that existed in some other tradition before being copied into the bible?)

    • 10 months ago
  • remanns
  • DougChristian
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      DougChristian  
    • remanns:

      The Solomon example is indeed a good one. But it begs the question of all the angry progressives here, did you want Obama to hold out and let the "baby", the US economy, get cut in half? The way that story goes, the real mom concedes entirely and gives up her child rather than see it harmed. It is up to Solomon to see this and intervene. The American People are the Solomon here. But they're not as wise. They're ready to call Obama a "bad mom" and hand the "baby" to the imposters. You're right there with them.

    • 10 months ago
  • asocial
  • warman1138
  • remanns
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  
    • This proves that neither party cares about the working class and we get the shaft.... again. I saw this coming. Disgusting!

    • 10 months ago
  • TrishR
  • letsliveinpeace
  • letsliveinpeace
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      letsliveinpeace  
    • GOP on verge of huge, unprecedented political victory, By all accounts, it looks like a deal is about to be announced in which the debt ceiling is hiked in exchange for the promise of major spending cuts, including to entitlements, totalling at least $2.4 trillion.

    • 10 months ago
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