A Historic Opportunity to Cut Military Spending

All ya need is ONE BOMB Bill => surrounded by a 1k-2,000 pound tank of water dropped over Russia+or+China. The steam cloud generated would level => kiss the Russkies/Chinese cabals Good-bye.

The Tunguska explosion in Siberia-1908 would be a matchstick... without much radiation from just a small nuke. Of course now the Russians & Chinese have also known that not just USA so if Russia was to deliver their superbomb they had like 10-12 YEARS AGO with a similar children's wading pool attached the United States plus parts of Mexico & Canada would be one big asteroid crater.

And yet Bill there's something they fear far worse than Death it's losing their GRIP ON YOUR WALLET with a fuelless steam engine I just happen to have dropped on them all last night => http://current.com/green/93390416_fuel-pumps-whatre-those-daddy-child-we-stopped...

So today ~"The Day After"~ I imagine they're working up damage control strategies to stop people from believing cars rolling down the highway can be That Easy.

That's what they always do when I release a new engine.

You make good points, but I have something to add. The numbers ar fuzzy because they came from the Wall Street Journal in 1999, but I believe 1/3 of the world's assets are owned by US citizens. With ownership should come some responsibility. If we own that much, then we are a significant force in determining the state of the world, and a significant force in determining the problems therein. The UN forces are a nice idea, but with all the stories coming out of their abuses of power (like human trafficing), I'd rather not give them more power without oversight. Their is no oversight possible for a UN force apart from media outlets, but the media with the power to get a story is owned by people friendly to profits from their actions.

I tried to attach a pic of Fed Spending showing we are at a little ofer 800 billion now. To cut 600 billion immediately sounds unreachable, unless they are going to cut fictional projected spending on things like a "Star Wars" defence system.

You're right about the USSR going under trying to compete with the US in weapons development. But once it occurred the US should have cut back some.

Their was a 30 year long contract between the USA an OPEC that was created by Reagan which exchanged their holding the price per barrel down for our military protection of the power structure. They won, because they didn't need to spend money to keep their-selfs in power, we won cause we got cheap fuel to build the industry that we have now, and the USSR lost big because the OPEC oil was priced below the cost to produce the USSR oil. Yes the USSR spent too much on military to keep up with us, but it was really the choking off of their cash flow that was beyond their control to stop. Reagan bankrupted them. Thanks to Reagan, the USSR's fall turned into the gain of terrorists and unlawful weapons sales everywhere, and it turned into intolerable despots holding unwarranted power in the Arab nations for as long as they did. Way to go Dutch, hero of the neo-con's.

I responded to WagonMaster about this, but I'd like to point out predatory pricing, and chemo therapy for you as counter-intuitive strategies that sometimes work. Wal-Mart and that style of shop has enough money to lose money in an area until all the nearby competitors are bankrupt or at least gone. After competition is destroyed, the last store standing raises the prices to a level above what the highest pricing in the area was. If they raise it too high a store will open to compete, but if they raise it low enough to make the start-up costs for a competitor take 10 years or more to recoup, the bank won't float the loan to get the new entrant started. Lose to win.

Also Chemo-therapy kills all our bodies cells, but we hope that it kills the cancer dead before the host patient is dead. Sometimes it works.

??? Cancer cells are easy to kill man. Stop drinking water a while. They need water a lot more than the normal healthy cells. Cancer cells croak fast man.

Stop eating a while & the body will see them as FOOD. CHOMP CHOMP. Take a hot bath close to fever temperature and the cancerous cell's high metabolism they melt to death, normal cells survive.

Before I digress, you did get my point was that a stratedgy which hurts onself as it hurts the opponent, though counterintuitive, is not uncommon. You were earlier suggesting that it was implausible that the the USA under Reagan would overspend on military devices to hurt the USSR. I, no fan of chemo, was showing it was common to hurt ones enemy as you hurt yourself in a death spiral with the hopes that you can pull-out as the opponent is fatally wounded and cannot.

Do you have anything more than your word as an anonomous Interned contributor that cancer thrives on water, or melts from heat? Seems like we would have had many more cases of cancer before things like soda were invented. You know, when water with ice was the best thing a kid could hope for.

Before 1950 there was a world population under 2+ billion so there was more oxygen in the air. Oxygen pumps up the Immune System.

Or do I have to prove that also? hahaha My word is good. Better than your doctor's manuals that say I should be dead 10 times over, from cancer.

Since the invention of air conditioning we've gone downhill as a species.

Seems the heat was keeping cancer cells dead.

We are on the same page with your overall point. I was taking issue with you discrediting the arguement posed by WagonMaster where he claimed the Reagan v. USSR military spending. You were indicating that it was an implausible theory, but I think WagonMaster was very close to the bulls-eye with his claim. I was offering other readily verifyabe examples similar to his claim. I think WagonMaster was right that Reagan was escalating to taunt the USSR to overspend their budget, but I believe the more significant factor of the end of the USSR was their inability to profit from their domestic oil production.

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Point 2. It is also been stated that in India, the factor that changes their culture (that's as old as the Pyramid's), more than any other factor is MTV and other such American TV programming.

Hmmm, I was not disagreeing with wagonmaster's point that we spent ourselves into a hole and drug the Soviet Union into that same hole, also. But that occurred quite some time prior to 1991. I was attempting to make the point that we should not have gone that route. It was wasteful and unnecessary. As a matter of fact, the Soviets were far worse off than our CIA knew! The Afghan War they involved themselves in proved that. Their military machinery was deplorable! Their troops were in disarray. Their naval ships and submarines were in such bad shape that they were constanly in dry dock or were sinking in the oceans! Remember the Kursk? Their morale was the lowest EVER! They were bluffing all along! But we kept...and KEEP on spending to this day!

When the breakup happened all that was left as a force afterwards was Russia. And they signed on to their form of Capitalism in a hurry! And now that isn't working out, either! They are in a state of flux and will be until the next chapter is written. Or Putin fades away. And since he's a young man still, it may be a long time before they evolve into more free society. Putin just can't let go of his KGB training long enough to see beyond the next horizon.

Remember, 1991. So, instead of us curtailing our spending because the threat of a Soviet takeover was impossible, why did we continue on with our insane spending spree militarily?

The Chinese were barely able to financially do anythng as far as making war machines. It wasn't until they opened up their borders AFTER the Tiananmen Square massacre and the uprisings of their populace did things start to turn around for them. And who was helping them build their economy? We did! Now it's 1993. And they are well on their way to becoming a power to equal even our own! Give them a few years and soon we will be making the cheap toys and etc., to export to them!

I've just sent you a PM to explain my take on all of that!

It's past this old man's beauty sleep time...LOL.

It's been a pure pleasure to debate in a civilized way! I think we may learn things from one another! I'm open-minded enough to not find that distasteful in the least!

G'nite!

P,S. Did you watch the entire video? I hope so...I found it quite an interesting twist to history. And it is coming from the "horse's mouth"...the Russians!

Not sure I understand. Did I miss something ?

You don't have a stalker. Maybe you're just a little paranoid. I did report you for sending a vulgar private message. If you have anything to say, say it in public.

America is in a kind of "holding pattern" where the US never really achieves a strategic advantage worth mentioning... because every time someone here invents something FANTASTIC it always gets shoved under the enemy's door soon thereafter. It is very obvious a 3rd party is doing this to KEEP THE FIGHT GOING AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.

In such a situation the only resolution is to back away from the table, except Americans cannot do that because that same someone keeps reminding them to do so is MAJOR COWARDICE... making this a revolving door from hell. No one walks away, ever. Only the ones who come back in body bags.

MUCH LIKE VIETNAM!!!!! So yeah, another quagmire DUH.FOR WHOM DOES THE TOILET FLUSH IT FLUSHES FOR THEE (ACTUALLY, FOR YOUR CHILDREN WITH YOUR CHILDREN. BY YOUR COMMAND (XYLON LINGO)).

Goodness, we actually concur almost entirely on a single, but multi facet, issue! Warren, if we were to remove our military from the middle east, and let Oil themselves compete for crude, would the Taliban have reason to attack the U.S.? Is there any genuine security interest in the U.S. having 700ish foreign military installations? If not, a 20% cut in military spending is extremely modest, no?

You have to be realistic. There will always be conflicts in the world. There are typically over forty conflicts ongoing at any given time.

Thanks for the nice email ....

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Buckeye_Bill sent on Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:07:09 +0000
How many times must I tell you to NOT communicate with me? Are you that dense that you can't take a blatant request to leave me the HELL alone!

You MUST LQQK as stupid as you post comments!

Once I click on "send" to this PM, you sahll NOT get ANY response from me again!

ASSCLOWN! God, you're an imbicile!

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Unfortunately, you don't own the internet. Therefore you don't get to tell anyone where they can post and where the can't. If you don't want responses, don't post. If you don't like the responses you can chose to ignore them.

You're just a shining example of the intolerant, vicious left. Do not message me again with your vitriol.

AMEN to the ASAP!

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Perhaps God has stopped the military => possibly because they are using a system I copyrighted in my 1989 mini-novel. They read it, they stole it, they didn't pay for it as a TRUE CAPITALIST SOCIETY SHOULD DO, therefore they reaped His attention. Stealing from God's prophets has always been a very poor idea.

There goes your taxpayer dollars, and not by accident. God is beginning to show His Power now, and I know for a fact it is AWESOME.

Well, the age old saying that "a fool and his money are soon parted" goes for nations, too!

It's like the most pwerful drug known to man...I'm talking about war toys! Those existed long before the thought of money.

A caveman wasn't thinking about having pretty rocks to trade others for things like in a barter system in as much as he was using them to chuck at others!

I suppose we can blame our desire to be safe from all those critters that wanted to eat us back in the day. That first sharp stick that was used to keep Tony the Tiger away!

LOL

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I am but one voice and one vote...I'm dancing and singing as fast and voting against the insanity as often as I can. Honest! If enough of us do the right thing we CAN turn this insane "truck " around, metaphorically speaking.

My apologies for my country's crazy concept of spreading democracy throughout the world at the end of a gun.

I'm doing all I can from the "lion's den"!

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Since 1989, the year I walked into the oven prepared for me. And I discovered something very interesting, that every time I invented new energy sources alongside stuff that had military applications they would take the ones for the military without paying me, which goes to why I have been unable to build any of my fantastic energy devices.

Something else also began to happen more & more regularly actually, that whenever I released a new energy system and they didn't give it to people, even though as you made mention THEY HAD PLENTY OF MONEY, that God would give me another and another even better system... until I have drowned this world more completely in Energy than the waters covered the earth in Noah's day.

THERE IS NO ENERGY SHORTAGE. NEVER WAS. SO SAITH GOD'S ENERGY PROPHET. However, be aware I am not the only prophet around. Most of them are involved in spiritual enlightenment at the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses. Only one like me was needed.

Ahh, another victim! Giving me yet another Call to Action!!! So, you're either crying Uncle or Mateii. I have a suggestion for you => write the Watchtower Society and complain. Tell them I went beyond the pale and warned you about ARMAGEDDON HAHAHAHA.

In Public!!!! ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just tell them you demand they muzzle me IMMEDIATELY.

But quite frankly I've been trying to contact them for well over a year now and have yet to get a response. I'm not even sure they're there.

Maybe they all punched out and went home?

Many people appreciate the depth of my insights Bill. You seem to be, uhm, alone. I was mailing you then saw your mail to me so I blocked any further mails from you. Looks like we have reached a common understanding.

I can "chew" on that concept all day and into the foreseeable future!!

Amen.

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wherever we can help to get....great video, thank you

RB@U2!

OOOPS! I forgot the word "enough" in my post...I was listening to your contribution and got carried away with the thought that maybe...perhaps...we can learn from our follies!

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More and more every day, good luck

Just 95%? Not 95.5%?

LOL

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Democrats hold their ground-----------------they hold their bribes very well but hold to their convictions-----------no way!

I totally agree!

They've proven they can follow orders! They have been hardened by heat, cold and working under extreme conditions! I say they'd fit right in with working on roads and bridges!

And digging ditches to rebuild our sewer and water systems and public buildings, too!

Oh, one more thing....it's been done before! So we can tell those Rethugs to shove it! LOL

WPA ....and many of those same buildings still stand today!

Private contractors currently get paid way more than regular soldiers, so if we fire them instead of regular soldiers it would seem to solve all problems. Private contractors can easily find other jobs outside the US, and we will have to fire less people from the military overall if we start with the PC's.

Nonetheless, we'll still have more people to absorb into the civilian economy. It wouldn't be a good idea to have legions of angry, desperate unemployed people with military training on our hands...

Many of our soldiers are also well-trained in the areas of technology and engineering, both necessary skills in figuring out how we're going to put all that together.

The totally illegal use of mercenaries by our governance is simply a way around the draft that would have stopped the wars about eight years ago---------- can we say fool the stoops?

You forgot the totally insane aspect of all military active duty troops.

You're to be congratulated for possessing common sense that seems not to be so common today....

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That's that "can do" spirit they talk about!

Kudos!

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Not speaking of the exorbitant cost difference...which isn't as costly as the loss of human life...on either side. But it is insane to hire killers...which they ultimately are doing to CIVILIANS, mostly, too!

Inane politicians thought this one up, for sure!

But, hmmm, nobody asked us what we thought about it, did they?

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And most of these weapons and war planes are being built in the Southern States and supported by the GOP. They keep insisting that the federal government continue to spend money on these weapons even if they are obsolete because the GOP in these states are being paid by the defence contractors so they can keep their contracts. When the Obama Administration canceled funding for a plane that is not used anymore, the GOP were in an uproar. This is another reason why lobbying should be banned.

Go figure!

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Right on!

Aye, aye!

Sounds like a solid plan! So why not?

With technology the way it is today we don't need bases everywhere in the world. I don't believe in turning soldiers into something other than what they are. But there can be less soldiers and more funding for infrastructure. Let people skilled at infrastructure work on infrastructure.

Then we essentially concur. However, if we close extraneous bases and bring so many soldiers home, we'll simply be housing them here with nothing for them to do, except to wait for their periodic paychecks, or, dump then into an already high unemployment market. If you don't think that most soldiers in the middle east are unidimensional, and we are under contract with them until the end of their enlistment, isn't it a benefit to them and us to give them an opportunity to transition to infrastructure work which could be a growth industry?

Agreed!

I have been saying that over, over and over again, I agree with you.

I like Ike.

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It's really about getting rid of the influence the MIC has over our government.

LOL, They are the Body Gaurds of our Elected Government...

Agreed. :"Peace and Love",......is NOT,....( get that some O' uze),....NOT,....coming to humanity SOON. Guns will be used,....guns will be bought.

We just don't want to be OWNED by those who buy , sell,.....and speculate in,...GUNS.

How we arm ourselves should not be dictated by those who want to profit from arming us.

Hence all the Gun Control, Surely they do not want us doing what the Constitution says we not only have the right to do, but should do it when the Time is at hand.... Thanks remanns... =)

Soon to be replaced by Xe.

Unfortunately they will in fact make cuts to wages ir equipment for the human assets before they will take one dollar from Lackheed Martin, Boeing, Halliburton,....you get the idea.

KB, even if we consider the cost of maintaining approximately 700 foreign military bases with personnel as military budget expenses, isn't it the MIC who profits from providing all the provisions and equipment necessary to sustain those bases, personnel, and activities?

That was Year ago Bill....

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Don't "pass it on"!

Us "peons" wolfess talks about are not supposed to know that!

As far as I know it is the MIC that is hired to defend them posts.... Halliburton and, Sorry I cant remember the other but it's pcr, mro, I don't know I can't remember, the exact abbreviation... That make the dough on provisions... Doesn't it just to seem to get soo far bent and stupid... Fuck these other countries!!! Bring our Men and Women home and lets worry about or Damned Country for a Change... Ha!!!! I actually swore this time... Sorry about that, as you can tell it really Bends me the wrong way...

I get the idea...