New York sees record one day rainfall and flooding

Thank you sugar!
But Jan deserves all the credit.
I only wish I had half the dedication she has dealing with this catastrophy.

I very much appreciate that. It really is a moral imperative. The liars trying to stop the truth with $$$ need to be drowned out. This is too important to keep allowing them to control this conversation.

extreme weather conditions will be hailed as "punishment" in the liberal states and "a test of faith" in the religious ones

So why hasn't announced that God is punishing Texas for Perry and Oklahoma for Fallin?

Wow. Must be the improved reporting! Like the 14.5 inches of rain (above post) in 12 hours. Why I bet this stuff's been HAPPENING SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME WHEN NOBODY WAS HERE.

The last time the climate shifted this rapidly was at the end of the last Ice Age about 10,000 years ago when humanity still lived in caves.

I was watching my local nightly news this evening and I was absolutely floored to see a report that finally linked climate change to the "wild weather" we are having as they called it. They even mentioned the excessive Arctic ice melting and that a report that came out today linked at least half of the melting to human activity. We have to keep pressing the truth. We need to see people understanding that we have to begin to wean off and control these greenhouse gases that are pushing our systems to the tipping point. We are getting close but I think we still have some time before that window closes. I think we need to start sending these links to media outlets and demanding they tell the truth.

Yeah, it is right scary actually watching the weather change so suddenly. I've been noticing many changes here, the clouds are acting real funny. It started about a week ago. I'm watching it very closely. The wind will get up then suddenly stop, then hit again. I find it a big departure from the norm.

Perhaps the sudden drop of all the water tonnage into New York caused a displacement in the air that pushed down into Virginia. Just a thought.

But we're not talking weekly weather here. We're talking global climate which has remained relatively stable (at 300+ parts per million C02) for the past 10,000 years ABRUPTLY changing as atmospheric carbon reaches 400+ ppm for the first time in MILLIONS OF YEARS!
This is what the ice cores and coral and sea sediment are telling scientists.
In the past century mankind has burned countless gigatons of fossil fuels which took hundreds of millions of years to be sequestered underground, where they belong.
ONE CENTURY!!!
A HALF BILLION YEARS OF STORED CARBON BURNED!!!
We humans are like the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaur 65 million years ago.

I agree with what you're saying but I live in an extremely STABLE AREA here so slight changes can mean a lot more than in other places we are a canary in the coal mine. We're the opposite end of the spectrum from ice core samples. They are very old, we are very NOW.

In Virginia we're between two extremes North vs South and also West vs East. We are in two crosshairs yet the balance hits here so we're Ground Zero, in a sense.

When something changes here it can be very significant. For instance, the entire world and US has been consistently strafed with earthquakes right? But here we don't have any! The last one we had was 3.1 about 3 years ago. It actually shook people up.

You really need to read some books if you believe the climate has been stable for the past 10,000 years. Also, your 'facts' about CO2 are way off.

I said "relatively stable" at a C02 level of 300+ ppm for the past 10,000 years.
I learned this from reading papers and books by the world's leading climate scientists.
During the last ice age C02 levels were 200+ ppm.
Our planet has not experienced 400+ ppm C02 for tens of millions of years, when there was very little life on Earth.

The Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age, CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today at 4400 ppm.
Only two periods have seen lower CO2 levels than we have today, the Carboniferous Period and our present age Quaternary Period. The Jurassic Period saw 1800ppm, and the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm. At present the world is CO2 deficient. Stop being scared of it, it is only a trace gas which all your trees love to bits, and it is not controlling your weather!

We are the same way in here in western Pennsylvania.
Actually the entire Appalachian region from Georgia to Maine is the most stable landmass on Earth because it is the oldest mountain chain. The oldest rivers run here. Our hills were once higher than the Himalayan mountains millions of years ago.

Like I said, many millions of years ago.

In ages gone by that did not have humans around a "healthy planet" could do whatever it wanted, NO PROBLEMO. In our time with humans,,, and the humans wanting it to STAY THAT WAY, it's rather important we define a narrower bandwidth than just a "healthy planet" we need HEALTHY PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET ROASTED IN FRYING PANS OR THROWN INTO AN ICE AGE CHEST FREEZER.

That's what an intelligent species would do => stay out of pans & freezers.

And if CO2 was going to turn the earth into a raging fireball it would have done so many times in the past - including millions of years ago.

Watch out now, you're ruining the oil shill's talking points. It is far more relevant to know what happened 490 MILLION years ago without humans and other species and all the other relevant data regarding today with humans and other species which cannot survive at such levels or with the pollution it makes. But they think we are all ignorant sops who will fall for their irrelevant propaganda that means absolutely nothing in relation to the real effects being experienced by humans today in regards to agriculture, water, etc. It also shows their blatant disregard for human life to think as they do, as if we still live on the same planet that was then.

Some people suffer from exaggerated NEEDS to visit the Past in their mind, to escape the present. Or so I have heard, having never actually run into a person that crippled. It must be very sad... unable to man up to the bar and admit THEIR ENTIRE WORLD WITH ALL ITS PRIDEFUL TECHNOLOGY IS A FAIL.

"...with humans and other species which cannot survive at such levels..."

Such levels of what? CO2? Humans and other species can manage perfectly well at CO2 concentrations many times the levels we have today, and you know it, you just hope your people don't find out in case you lose their support.

You bleat on and on about the heatwave that recently hit the U.S., so please tell us how that weather event would have played out had CO2 concentrations been at, say, 300ppm, or 200ppm, or even 100pm? Would the USA have had a nice warm summer had CO2 concentrations been at whatever you in your wisdom deem to be a safe level?
Would there have been no drought, no heatwaves, no unusual snow... and would the Arctic have been colder than it is today?
Why do you find past climate irrelevant? Is it because it also happens to be inconvenient, something you can't just explain away?
Why do you accuse people who didn't fall for the failed AGW theory as being uncaring?
Maybe the realists actually care for people a lot more than you do, after all, we're the ones who are against people being lied to! All you want to do is send people back into the dark-ages, and all because you're scared of an important trace gas that has been proved not to cause global warming, climate change or the loss of the Loch Ness monster!

Here's one link I thought you, specifically, might be interested in... only because of its links to global warming, you understand ;)

http://www.scotlandfoodanddrink.org/news/article-info/2617/scots-researchers-sug...

Just proves, as though we didn't already know it, that these extremists will blame anything on "global warming" - quite pathetic really, don't you agree?

Oh and please find something more grown-up to use as your method of attack than accusing people of being paid oil shills, it really is so very immature.
So, there you go, a few questions for you to dodge there.
I look forward to your answers.

You've mastered minutiae... but the fact is the planet's a bit too hot and Heat Energy is Activated Energy that expresses itself across the Weather Spectrum.

The Wise person & the Wise Human Race that calls itself a Smart Species would prove itself smart to switch away from all combustion engines POST HASTE and force this planet into a Cooldown Period.

That' would be the course of Wisdom, not slobbering all over a keyboard as you continue doing no doubt being paid well to mislead your fellow man for a sweet payday every week.

I look forward to your answers also.

Well actually, I think anyone who has such a bizarre obsession witlh loving a gas needs to seek some kind of help if they aren't doing this for money but only because they "love CO2." We know what it's all about. The Merchants Of Doubt.

Well, I doubt many people know this little factoid but if a person was to down one teaspoon of gasoline it can cause convulsions and death. The drilling and processing of crude oil-derived fuels results in airborne raw crude molecules as they evaporate into the air.

They accumulate in people. Look at the Middle East how they fight and kill and oppress one another, all of them breathing in raw crude oil molecules surrounded by oil pumping facilities.

I've made my case.

It might help if you actually asked one, let alone made a coherent statement.

yes, hundred year rains that happen three or four times a season.....I don't give a crap if you think man pushed climate change or its "normal" but take a look at ice core records. You can't deny that IT IS changing and we are not prepared.

is there anyone who has looked at the displacement of oil out of the ground over the last hundred plus years, to the air? Is is legiitmate to say we are returning millions of years of dead jungle back into the air? Does anyone remember the year people died in London from coal pollution and then they banned the burning of coal overnight?

would you be so kind to show us where you got these figures?

honey, pearls before swine. It has been proven that some people take a position and all the facts in the world, including those right in their faces, will not change their minds. I am done arguing with people who don't want to even consider the facts, or even discuss options intelligently. I have typed my last snark to these types. Its a waste of time. Whether it is human driven, pushed over the edge, natural climate change....we are not preparing for it. Its like Chopra said on Countdown. the house is burning, lets put it out before we start laying blame or finding the cause. the cause is moot at this point. We need to act now, the planet is changing dramatically and we are not even thinking about picking up the hoses and shovels. We are arguing over who did it? How did this happen? It reminds me of teaching my kids to react when something spills. don't stare at it grab a towel and stop it before it gets worse. then be more careful. this is basic stuff. part of me thinks, to hell with it, let these types flood, dry out whatever, starve. But these types take the innocent with the guilty along with them.

You're digging yoself a deep grave.

No one is claiming there have not been worse downpours over the centuries.
The point is extreme weather is accellerating all over the planet! Storms of the Century are fast becoming Storms of the Month!!!
Open your eyes HotDog.

Ah, back to the insults - very grown-up of you.
These events are not becoming more common, there is a lot of evidence to show that, which of course you already know, don't you? These days every rain shower is reported and bleated on about as though it was something new, whereas at one time weather was reported as just that - weather, without the need to blame anyone for it.

IceKat's a HotDog? Shades of Rocky Horror Picture Show!!!

Deniers prove over and over again that they have no clue what this is really about every time they put up idiotic comparisons like this. This is part of the deluge that just hit South Korea, that hit North Korea, that hit Colombia, that hit Brazil, that hit China, that hit Australia, etc. Oversaturation of the hydrologic cycle making these events more frequent, erratic regarding areas (monsoon rains have also been unpredictable and that has affected agriculture and brought severe drought and heat to other areas like Texas (midwest US) and East Africa, Europe ( France in particular) and Asia all simultaneously as the oceans warm and the Arctic melts as we continue to keep pumping more and more into it. The important thing now is to keep getting this out and to keep demanding that this government and others do something regarding being prepared instead of cutting funds for preparedness. Agriculture, water access, food prices, are all being affected by these global events and it is killing people. So frankly, I don't give two _what some shill on a message board thinks. Lives and species are at stake here.

Notable US floods when climate change was a bitch:

1889 - Johnstown, PA
1972 - Rapid City, SD
1976 - Big Thompson Canyon, CO
1972 - Man, WV
1985 - Cheyene, WY
1903 - Heppner, WY

Yeah no kidding,100 year storms 2 and3 times a year.

... and they think getting CO2 below 350ppm will give them good weather!!!
Strange how there are many documented storms, floods and droughts, often much more severe than those happening today, and all when CO2 was at (what they call) a safe level.

hahaha You slay me Kenny! A hurricane's worth of rain without a hurricane in sight is probably not enough to change IceKat, sitting somewhere in a nice bunker of an office! hahaha having New York pizzas delivered.

That guy will never change even if he was floating on his bedroom door down whats left of main street! :)

New York pizzas? I wish...!!! Whenever I'm in NYC I tend to feast mainly on blueberry muffins! However, I'm in good old England today, drinking port and discussing the day's dragon slaying and other elitist activities ;)

Whew. I haven't had either one in 3 years I'm DYING HERE (trying to lose weight to avoid really dyin'). I have been busy slaying a dragon though THE COMBUSTION ENGINE DRAGON => http://tinyurl.com/superpage007 and sometimes I have a Steele Reserve.

Rain happens!

So does ignorance.

Good one Jan!

I realize ignorance happens. Its why I add facts and reality to your threads.

If you're in the top wealth bracket of this country you don't know what reality is.

That's what it's all about. And they want to keep it that way.

After putting myself through college and having eight times the debt as assets upon graduation, eventually starting three companies from the ground up, working without pay to keep a company going and employing people I know a lot more about reality than the whiners and complainers on this site.

"After putting myself through college and having eight times the debt as assets upon graduation,"

Do you mean eight times the debt of a normal college student, do you mean eight times the debt that you had before you started college, or do you mean something else?

"eventually starting three companies from the ground up"

Cool, what are the names of the companies, or at the very least, what do the companies produce?

"working without pay to keep a company going and employing people"

How long were you working without pay, and how much were you making before and after those periods of working without pay?

1) When I graduated for every dollar I had in my pocket I owed eight dollars in loans.

2a) software company purchased by a major corporation

2b) data information company purchased by a major corporation

2c) current business consulting company

3) We (three partners) went a year without pay. The second year we made half of what we made two years previous in the corporate world. The second year we skipped a lot of paychecks so the employees wouldnt be affected by periods of lack of cash on hand. Paying the employees and not cutting benefits was more important than us getting paid.

Thank you for answering, seriously. It is nice to ask a serious question, or questions, about someones personal life when they bring it up and actually have it seriously answered.

Yes it's called reality. We need to be prepared. We should be spending on infrastructure and not war.

You just need to drive to wherever IceKat lives. Apparently he isn't affected by ANYTHING BAD. And then you can quit talkin' all this heah foolishness gal.

Yes, where the sugarplum fairy lives and everyone skips to a happy tune under a rainbow sky with chocolate rivers, marshmallow trees and unicorns. Don't think I can get that on my GPS.

I have told them about burning rivers and people dropping dead in the street from coal smoke, the use of lead in makeup, that the desserts of the middle east were jungle until the advent of the agricultural age, that there were forests as far as the eye could see from the atlantic to the midwest. that buffalo by the millions roamed this country, that the colorado river ran to the baja of california, that the air in Los Angeles was so thick that you couldn't see the ocean from 3 miles away. That people used to dump all their waste into all the rivers before sewers. That all the movie stars in the westerns produced in nevada died from radiation poisoning along with many Natives Americans and are still dieing. That snow in our town used to get to 4 and 5 feet each winter and not melt all winter, now we barely get any. That I have seen the last glaciers in the Colorado rockies, they are all gone. Armadillos in Oklahoma where there had never been any above the Red River. No more horny toads in Oklahoma. That there are hydrocarbons and toxins in the snows of K-2, the tallest mountain in the world. That the coral reef are disappearing from acid in the water from pollution. That there is a dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico from agricultural run off and oil production the size of Texas. That when I was 18 there was no such thing as low-fat, low-salt, no suger, high fiber, natural or organic in regular stores. That anyone of any age could smoke anywhere they wanted. There is a hole in the Ozone layer that was getting bigger and Reagan banned CFCS and it began to repair itself and now its getting bad again. That they thought the black faced ferret was extince but a rancher in wyoming found some and they are bringing it back. they have found american chestnut trees in isolated places when they thought it was gone. good news and bad, mixed results, some action, mostly happy accidents, near misses. We are like the proverbial kid who takes drugs,they will never know how it changed their brain, we will never know what it would have been like if we had not entered the industrial age and the combustion engine. But the constant battles over if we should do something or not, who should do it or not, will get us wiped off the planet, well almost all of us. there will be a few, like the snow leopard, the american chestnut and the black faced ferret and the nine buffalo that were used to save the species.

Many in the "mainstream religions" have become quite upset waiting & waiting for the "Rapture" and I imagine more than a few of their evangelists are tiring of wiping egg yolk from their faces. Mainstream preachers are closely entertwined with government (scratch each other's back) so it's rather apparent the UN + the governments + the preachers have made a backroom agreement to drive the planet down the tubes and force it to either happen or not happen... therefore we get to stare over the cliff edge a while yet.

I've shown very clearly how to fix the planet => http://tinyurl.com/superpage007 and they are showing very clearly they don't intend to save it. Each of them is clawing ahead to accomplish what each thinks is supposed to happen... therefore your Gov't is now your avowed enemy and opponent, to the Death. Ditto the ministers.

It doesn't get any plainer than that.

Children will "ask" eh? You're very optimistic. When I was a child I practiced throwing a hatchet at blocks of wood.

We are become blocks of wood now.