WANNA MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE THE LAZY WAY?

political correctness is overrated and just another attempt to suppress free thought

We have common ground on that thought, my dear congo.

oh edjoy we probably agree on other things as well. now while you are aware of my feelings on political correctness we as humans have an obligation to not be outright and openly rude in our day to day encounters. courtesy, sensitivity, and good manners should always be practiced in public

that unfortunate travesty was long ago. cant we all just get along?

make a vid to that effect, or have a friend do it, and link it to mine or whom ever elses.

lets do our part to fix the cycle wich our gov is impotent, rather than just bitch about it with shame

cherokee right?

Yes, both sides of my family are Cherokee. My father's side is almost full blooded and my mother about 1/4. My brother has recently traced the story of my father's Indian ancestors in great detail.

My great great grandmother's bones are preserved and mummified in the museum at the Cherokee National Forest.

Wow, that is kind of neat and creepy at the same time.

Has your family provided a history about her for display along with the bones?

Somewhere back in time my family were all aware of this. Her body was donated by ancestors and my grandfather has the documents and history in a photo album. I have never gotten around to asking the full details.

The reason I asked is that my great great grandmother is buried here on Staten Island and there is a group called "friends of abandoned cemeteries" and they do dramatic readings based on the lives of the people buried there. My grandmother is still alive and gave me information about her and I am writing a short story for a reading. It is kind of nice if you have personal information about her to be able to share that as well as her bones.

I do have some interesting stories and facts on them. However, I have only recently gotten really interested and am hoping my 103 yr old grandfather can give me more details.

Wow, he is still around. How wonderful. Get the info while you can. Once it is gone, it is gone.

and im not asking for beating one self up, im speakng of what we can do presently in regards to a negative situation.
you should like it as it is based in the ineffectiveness of big government

which negative situation?

the one in wich native americans are not availed of all the rights the rest of us are.
the negative situation of social arrogance wich prevents us from learning valuable lessons.

imagine what ww2 would have looked like had we took the lesson of what we did to the native americans to heart.imagine us drawing parallels and stepping up before 6 million were killed.

the negative situation wich has leanord peltier rotting in jail for demanding his rights just as any of us would.

and so on and so on

sure we all have a responsibility to at least make an effort to right a wrong, in the present tense. which rights are the native americans not availed that the rest of us are? enlighten me. and a murderer in jail doesent count, even the mighty clinton agrees

well for starters is that we are still raping thier land, in the face of all the treaties that state we arent supposed to.
making good on all the other treaties we stone wall them on.
the refusal of basic services wich the rest of us are availed.

if leonard peltier is a cut and dry case of murder to you, feel free to move on as the quest for liberty isnt your strong suite

neither is ultra liberal bleeding heart misplaced guilt. if he's so innocent i wonder why even liberal presidents have refused to give him amnesty. it is unfortunate that they were dealt a bad hand of cards but with indian casinos theyre beginning to get back at the man. if you want to play the pawn of your native friends, have at it. as with everyone in america you can either wallow in self pity blaming others for your misfortune or pull up your boot straps and take responsibility for your own life and move forward

Okay, that's one funny load of horseshit! I can now go my guiltless way into the future, stomping on whomever has the misfortune to be in front of me. I feel so...so...so...clean!

Okay, so now I'll just spew hatred against the Spaniards. Thanks for straightening me out on that.

we are only guilty for our own transgressions

i only seek forgiveness from those i have personally wronged. great great gramps was on his own

Yikes! An army of Irishmen sweeping across the land, drinking everything in sight and punching anything that doesn't get out of the way. What a nightmare.

i appreciate your support.that means a lot.
if ya double click the video, you can attach it to mine.
we can see how far it goes if others attach theirs to your vid and so on.
who knows it might make a difference at some level.

not a matter of out pooring of sorrow, just living up to our ideals.
you dont have to feel any personal regret as the sins of the father are not passed to the son.but you can respect others historical traditions as you wish yours to be respected.and acknowledge when a wrong has been done, even if it wasnt your wrong.

ya know just be descent for the sake of it

if you really lack the basic empathy required to feel sorry for the negative situation others find themselves in, and require transgression in order to act:

all of us enjoy an existance build on the genocide of others.just as hitler took all the jews had in order to make the aryans great in accordance with his idealogy, we took from the native americans.every thing you enjoy, from the material, to our freedom is a result of this.that places a degree of tangable responsability on all americans.

secondly, not attempting to rectify the native american situation to what ever degree we have the ability to is to spit in the face of american values and traditions.no second class people, everyone is equal,availed of equal rights,except for the indians.they dont count for some reason as human beings.when you get mad at jihadi joe or frenchy frenchman for bashing america and degrading us to less than the great nation we should be, you can recall the native americans serve as the legit basis for them to mock us for what we do.

I appreciate the concept of respect, but I see it as a matter of being earned by an individual I meet today without regard to his cultural upbringing. We have spent so much of our time hating each other for what our forbears have done that we lose much of our ability to experience "today"! We have to tread the fine line between respect for errors of our forebearers and the "eye for and eye" of the fued "McCoy vs Clanton's" of our not so ancient past. If we can learn from Libya and Syria the progress and freedom we can have if we can drop our ancient hurts and work with each other for our common good.
We did not ask to be born or to be born as we are. Why don't we try to make our lifes, brief and fleeting as they may be, as much a time of exploring the full meaning of "the pursuit of happiness"?

certainly on an individual basis respect must be earned, but are civil rights and equality not the baseline of respect human beings get by the virtue of being human beings.
and are the native americans recieving that level of respect?

i propose no plan for substative justice.no eye for an eye.just the level playing field, so that if the native americans want to press further they can.to have a legal basis upon wich to hold the government acountable for what they signed onto.to stop the 2nd class citizen status that only they and illegal aliens are subject to.

if it can happen to them, and is met with silent voices, what stops it from happening to anyone.ya think the bush administration would have dared try to sell "enhanced terrogation" if we were more vigilant in general about human rights?

we may not have done the crime, or earned the burden, but it is ours none the less.
just as bush left obama war and debt, obama cant say "i didnt do it so i can ignore it"
this, just like our freedom wich are born with but didnt earn, we inherited.

just how i see it.especialy when progress can be made wich costs us literaly nothing, as the bar is set so goddamn low.we cant get reperations nor is that really appropriate.we cant throw money at the problem.we cant use government as government has been raping them since forever.we as human beings can just say "that shit was wrong and as human beings you guys deserved better.better treatment of your ancestors, so that your families arent tiny.better treatment of your traditions.better treatment of you as human beings.starting right now"

The reason I cited our US history in feuds "Hatfields vs McCoys" is to remind US that when many have been injured over a long period of time, it is difficult to decide who to deal with until and unless you simply stop and begin as if today was our first day. We can look at Syria and Libya and we might be able to say that they were easier to enslave becaise they faught amongst their perceived differences in skin color, tribe and religion (sound familiar? ;-). We can follow the path of continuing to try to determine the shape of our heads to see how well we fit the "Nordic" preferred type or we can just accept that chimps have various appearances, shapes and sizes, but they are all our brothers/sister from another mother and we must forgive ourselves for any hurt to others that was done in our name but without our consent and our pledge to see each other first as fellow beings and trustworthy until demonstrated otherwise. This would be the greatest thing we could do in the name of all who have suffered due to perceived "differences".

no not really. neither i or any of my ancestry had any dealings with the travesty the american indians have suffered in the past or present for that matter. but even if custer had been a great great great grandpa that was his sin, not mine. if i were to somehow wrong an entire population or tribe i would not expect any of my future relatives to feel guilt either. we can certainly feel some empathy and i do but thats as far as i'll take it. if my uncle had been a serial rapist it would not be my guilt to feel. the sins of our fathers are just that. the everyone is equal concept is a nice touchy feely sentiment but unrealistic. maybe if our elected leaders would start that ball rolling the rest of us could jump in. as far as jihadi joe or frenchy frenchman bashing america, fuck who cares? its time for folks to take responsibility for their own lives and actions and quit looking for scapegoats to blame their misery on

did the crimes comitted to the natives allow for us to exist as we do today?yes
and are you a recipient of that fruit?yes
viola

that is the point.government will never get the ball rolling.arent you part of the government doesnt ever do shit for people crowd?
at what point do imagine our government would have so little going on that this issue would ever be center stage?
even if world peace broke out, and our gov had nothing but massive free time and expendable political capital, do you really see those whose job it is to represent an institution taking steps to outline the fuck ups of that institution?

i am a recipient of my own fruit and maybe germany ought to pay me reparations. grow up and shed your misplaced jewish guilt

The song is sweet and lovely. Thanks.

Chemawa Indian School in my home state of Oregon has a similar reputation to Carlisle's. No matter where you go in the continental U.S., there is a legacy of the genocide that was successfully practiced by people of European descent. I am amazed that after WWII America did not own up to what happened between 1492 and 1945, considering the outrage that was shown against Germany for its crimes against humanity. Maybe we need Bishop Desmond Tutu to broker a human rights and reconciliation commission to address the still-horrible conditions on America's Indian reservations.

Thousands of years of culture and languages wiped out by morons who thought they were going to find Jesus running a lemonade stand in California.

Oh, Canada, our new home and native land!

why would you want canada?

white guilt is dead. its time to pull up our boot straps and take responsibility for ourselves

Good looking women.

only the ones who shave :)

I remember reading about the Carlisle school...ranks right up there with the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment done on 399 young black males.

"We have met the enemy...and he is us."

thoughtful post FC, thank you.

Bummer. What is it with bigots? A genetic defect?

just cuz you think in extremes, doesnt mean everyone else does.
the end of slavery didnt mean blacks were gunna try to enslave the white man.
and acknowledging that we fucked up, doesnt mean we hand over the store to the native americans.

its just a perverbial handshake.human beings behaiving as such.saying we are good, and if not how can we be.i see how you were wronged, and i respect that.

is that really such an offensive thing to you that you become reactionary?

so the bible was written by those egyptian,israeli,jordanian caucasians now?

That's not what I wrote.

And twisting what I shared with others here, how can you think it ok?

You go your way and I shall go mine.

How's that for ya?

" unlike how the White Man's Good Book teaches, The Peoples of the Land do not visit sins of fathers, "

cut and pasted right from your keyboard to this page.
no twisting.just asking you to account for that wich you say/type

hows that for ya?

I don't recall my ancestors telling me about how any "egyptian, israeli, jordanian caucasian people" carried the Bible here to tame us savages with it's words.

WHO DO YOU THINK BROUGHT THAT BOOK HERE TO AMERICA?

EPGYTIANS?

THERE CERTAINLY WEREN'T ANY ISREALITES LIVING AT THAT TIME! THEY WERE CALLED JEWS BY THEN!

JORDANIANS? NO, THEY DIDN'T EXIST THEN, EITHER!

Build schools, hire teachers, buy books...and what do we get in repayment from the youths that are sent to learn?

The books are used to start the fires to burn the buildings while they rape the teachers!

But I DO recall reading how the WHITE MAN brought it here!

Ever heard of Plymouth Rock?

BUT...IT'S JUST LIKE WHITE PEOPLE CLAIMING EVERYTHING AS THEIRS!

JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE BIBLE, TOO!

How's THAT for YOU?????

An "editied" P.S. I was speaking LOUDLY enough for you to HEAR me. Just in case you didn't have your LISTENING EARS ON!

who do you think authored the book is the point.not the distributer.so when ya call it the white man's book, you are speaking of the distributor.not to whom the book's intillectual property belongs.
even in the distribution light, as christianity isnt a cuacasian religion alone it is still racistly wrong.

hey i brought a financial guide from new york to florida.is that now my book too?did i bring methods of gaining wealth to florida?

how long was it again until the european's adopted monothiesm?
still want to stand behind the idea that it is the white mans deal?
i mean since you abandoned your previous bullshit of "i didnt say that".