Community | September 01, 2011 | 42 comments

"Raw Milk" Still Under Attack, Everywhere......

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Anonmaly
An Amish farm in Pennsylvania has been stopped from selling contraband milk after a year-long federal government sting operation.

The Rainbow Acres Farm was found to have been smuggling banned unpasteurised milk to customers in Maryland.

Raw milk drinkers claim that pasteurisation eliminates good bacteria and changes the taste.

(they also claim that pasteurized milk only comes from factory farms, where the cows typically have Mastitis and only live about a quarter of the natural life span they were born with... That a factory farmed animal is an abused animal, bad karma, unethical, and loaded with steroids and antibiotics...)

But the Food and Drug Administration say unpasteurised milk can carry harmful bacteria such as salmonella, E.coli and listeria.

Sales are illegal in 11 states and the District, with other states having varying restrictions on purchase or consumption.

The FDA began to look into the farm, owned by Dan Allgyer, when an investigator used aliases to sign up to the farm’s internet group and placed orders for raw milk to be delivered to Maryland.

By crossing the state border the milk was breaking the FDA’s ban on interstate sales of raw milk.

The court papers noted that the jugs of milk were also not labelled, which is a violation of FDA regulations.

The agency then raided the farm in a 5am inspection, which found coolers labelled with Maryland town names.

My Allgyer formed a club and had customers become shareholders in an attempt to avoid the ban, but the FDA went to court last week to stop the operation.

Angry customers have insisted that they should have freedom of choice regarding their food.

Karin Edgett, a Washington DC resident, told the Washington Times: ‘I look at this as the FDA is in cahoots with the large milk producers.

‘I don’t want the FDA and my tax dollars to go to shut down a farm that hasn’t had any complaints against it. They’re producing good food, and the consumers are extremely happy with it.’


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42 comments // "Raw Milk" Still Under Attack, Everywhere......

  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  

    • "Raw Milk" is almost impossible to find in a few places, and so unduly expensive it's ridiculous....

      I may or may not raise livestock (first hand experience anyway), and taking proper care of them gets expensive, I mean unthinkable expensive... Some of that cost has to be past on or on a small scale it can't be maintained...

      Other than that the government has been giving "Rawesome" an extremely hard time in SoCal....

      With all the factory farm practices the FDA let's factory farms get away with you'd think they could stfu about a little "Raw Milk".......

    • 9 months ago
  • SL_Cabbie
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      SL_Cabbie  

    • Is it too much to ask that the term "Raw Milk" be used in the headline? Or Even "Unpasteurized"? Here on Planet Utah, the phrase "whole milk" simply refers to homogenized milk (and Pasteurized) that is between 3.2 and 3.4 percent butterfat. Okay, it's allegedly unhealthier than, say 2%, but it keeps longer and tastes better--to me--and I've compensated in other ways for years, particularly by avoiding trans fats, which have been shown to be way more unhealthy. Raw milk? No way, but I'm feeling like I was suckered into reading this one...

    • 9 months ago
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  
    • SL_Cabbie:

      Ask and ye might receive......

      (would have got to it earlier but contrary to the belief of a few I do have a life, and I generally choose not to follow threads of stories I posted that got popular.....)

    • 9 months ago
  • kvb1
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      kvb1  

    • I think that many people here are missing the point. The FDA only became involved when the milk was transported across state lines. The when they found that the milk was also not being labeled they had more to add to their cae. Raw milk can be consumed in most states. However, it must be labeled as such, and it cannot cross state lines, especially if the next state has a ban.

      What really needs to happen is that the regulations on raw milk need to be changed and clarified. The cows need to be tested regularly, everything that interacts with the cows during the milking process need to be held to operating room cleanliness, and the milk containers must be clearly marked as raw milk.

      We seem to attack the symptoms in this country, rather than the problems. Raw milk is not the problem, rather it is how the cows, the milking apparatus, and the storage are maintained. Fix the regulations on that rather than just banning it would be the better solution.

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  

    • This all goes back to the Pasteur germ theory of disease.
      We are subjected to thousands of pathogens every day.
      I subscribe to the Immune System theory of disease.
      If you keep your immune system healthy you won't get sick.
      It's really not so difficult. And the ability to laugh and eat raw foods certainly helps.
      Ask yourself why Mexicans don't get sick drinking their water while chlorinated people do.

    • 9 months ago
  • ecoalex
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      ecoalex  

    • Raw milk has a checkered past,from diseases like Tb to Undulant fever,Listeria,and E-coli,and other bacterial contagions.That said,and having drank raw milk for many years from our cows,which were Tb,Brucellous tested yearly,I can say our milk never made anyone sick.I had my own dairy later,my new born daughter consumed raw milk after she went off breast milk.I always kept the milkers scrupulously clean,sanitized,we didn't use a pipeline.The more piping you have,the greater chance of Listeria etc.I sold my milk to the Kinzers cheese plant,the owner said my milk was the cleanest milk they received.

      I had my dairy in Pa.I moved to Ca and bought Steuve's raw milk,which was Alta Dena ,then Steuve's ,but the State shut them down with recurring Listeria problems.

      If the raw milk is produced under scrupulously clean regimes,tested often,and kept at proper cool temps,raw milk is a healing food.Jerry Brunetti cured his cancer mainly using organic raw foods organic raw milk was a mainstay in his regimen.He wrote a book on this diet.

    • 9 months ago
  • percipi224
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      percipi224  
    • ecoalex:

      you are right....pasturized is a light heating, it is the homogenization that is the problem. when you homogenize it breaks down the fats in the cream and then the milk spoils faster. that is the point...spoils faster and we have to buy more faster. big dairy is heavily subsidized as well. If a dairy has good food handling practices and treats their cows well, washes their teets etc. the milk is perfectly safe. I too have been part of a raw milk coop. We could leave the unhomogenized milk out on the porch in 100 degree weather. The cream would seperate and the milk was still good. Try that with store milk. The cream made great butter also.

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  

    • I remember riding my horse or my minibike to our neighbors dairy farm and filling gallon jugs with fresh milk growing up. Especially loved the cream on top.
      We left 50 cents for every gallon in a can and trotted off.
      I hope those days aren't gone forever!

    • 9 months ago
  • Paratus
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      Paratus  

    • We have the right to purchase either the cow to produce it or the milk itself and drink it unpasteurized or otherwise. No government has a say in this. This is an example of some of the many nanny state regulations that should be 86ed.

    • 9 months ago
  • jubal
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
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    • jubal:

      Now that's one of the more logical statements I've heard so far.

      I do buy eggs, although they do come from "unsightly" chicken farms but, at one dollar a dozen somebody has to eat them or they will go to waste! That's me! And I believe, with all my heart, that the worst sin (other than doing bodily harm to another living creature - I felt I had to interject that for all the nitpickers out here) - there is!

      AND...I pasteurize them to make them safe to eat! It's a very simple process, too! But I'll leave it up to those who really wish to know to google how it's done! Since this thread is about milk and not eggs.

      LOL

      Home Milk Pasteurization

      "While many raw milk proponents advocate the nutritional benefits of raw milk, pasteurized milk is generally considered safer for drinking, particularly for children, the elderly, and anyone with an immune system impairment.

      Pasteurizing milk will enable it to keep longer in the refrigerator than raw milk. And, if you're planning on making certain cultured products from the milk, such as soft cheeses, pasteurization is a key component to success. After all, these products are made from growing bacteria, and if you don't kill the unwanted bacteria first, you'll be growing them, also!

      Milk pasteurization may sound like a scary process at first. If you're like me, the name conjures up images of pristine lab settings with complicated stainless steel equipment, tubings and mysterious instrument gauges.

      It turns out, though, that milk pasteurization is not complicated or scary at all. With just a basic set of the right equipment, and a little attention to detail, you can easily learn how to pasteurize milk for yourself."

      And here is the article wher anyone who is the least bit curious can go there and "Read All About It!"...gssss, I sound like a paperboy on a street corner selling newspapers!

      http://www.everything-goat-milk.com/milk-pasteurization.html

      P.S. I STILL do not partake of milk even with the ability to make it safe to drink..too much fat! LOL

    • 9 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  

    • Just another step towards the elimination of food sovereignty! First they will control the food, then the water, then they will trade food and water to us for our guns. Bahhhh bahhhhh bahhhh goes the american sheeple!

    • 9 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
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    • The following excerpt is from an article that can be read in its entirety here:
      http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2011/03/drinking-raw-milk-more-details-on-the-risk...

      We get a lot of questions from people who are trying to decide whether or not to drink raw milk, and we want to provide them with science-based information on the risks of drinking raw milk.

      I work with the group at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that investigates outbreaks of foodborne illnesses caused by germs like Salmonella and E. coli O157:H7 (a dangerous form of E. coli). Over the years, we have collected extensive data based on experience investigating these outbreaks. Many different foods have been associated with recent outbreaks, such as unpasteurized juice and cider, eggs, and sprouts.

      When determining if one food is riskier than another, it is important to understand how many people consume that food. For example, did you know that an estimated 4 percent of dairy products consumed in the United States are unpasteurized, based on a 2006-2007 FoodNet Population Survey, yet more than half of dairy-associated outbreaks are linked to raw milk products?

      I know people who have been drinking raw milk for years, and it's never made them sick. Why is that?

      Several things can affect whether or not a person becomes sick after consuming a contaminated food or drink. These include the number and type of germs contaminating the food or drink, as well as the immune defenses of the person who consumes the food or drink.

      The presence of germs in raw milk is unpredictable. The number of disease-causing germs in the raw milk may be too low to make a person sick at first, but the germs may later multiply so that there are enough to make the same person seriously ill. As seen in these videos, for some people, drinking contaminated raw milk just once could make them really sick; for others, illness comes after years of drinking raw milk.

      I've heard that raw milk has enzymes that kill dangerous bacteria. Is that true?

      No, the enzymes in raw milk are not strong enough to kill dangerous bacteria. In the United States, pasteurization is the only method routinely used to eliminate disease-causing organisms in milk.

      My farmer has set up humane and sanitary conditions for raising his animals and producing raw milk. His animals are really healthy. Doesn't this ensure that his milk is safe?

      Even animals that appear healthy and clean may carry germs that can contaminate milk. Adhering to good hygienic practices during milking can reduce the risk of contaminating the milk, but it doesn't eliminate it. If the milk is raw, small numbers of bacteria might multiply and grow in the milk before someone drinks it. No matter what precautions the farmer takes, it's impossible to guarantee that raw milk is free of harmful germs.

      What about raw milk that's been laboratory tested for bacteria?

      Negative tests do not guarantee that raw milk is safe to drink. People have become very sick from drinking raw milk that came from farms that regularly tested their milk for bacteria, and whose owners were sure that their milk was safe.

      What are the statistics on outbreaks of illness related to raw milk?

      Among outbreaks of illness transmitted by dairy products reported to CDC between 1973 and 2008 in which the investigators reported whether the dairy product was pasteurized or raw, 82 percent were due to raw milk or cheese. From 1998 through 2008, 86 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These outbreaks resulted in 1,676 illnesses, 191 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

      The data that concerns me the most is about the impact on children: among these 86 raw dairy product outbreaks, 79 percent involved at least one person under the age of 20. These illnesses, which are entirely preventable, can be severe or even life-threatening.

      Keep in mind that reported outbreaks represent the tip of the iceberg. For every outbreak and every illness reported, many others occur, and most illnesses are not part of recognized outbreaks.

    • 9 months ago
  • percipi224
    • +1
      percipi224  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      and how many recalls for beef, turkey, chicken and spinach???? These are all related to unclean practices. No inspections...because their are only a handful for the entire country from the CDC etal. The repugs made sure that our watchdogs are tied up, blind folded and hobbled.

    • 9 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
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    • My father raised "dairy replacements". You would have to be a farm boy to know what that means. I live in Amish country...Oh yeah...Mennonite country, too.

      Unless you KNOW who you're dealing with, and even that doesn't guarantee anything, what could "fall" into that bottle just might be some gawd awful stuff that would remind you of what you scrape off your feet after walking through a cow pasture.

      Not to mention GIGO.

      What goes into a cow is what comes out its udders. Cows will chomp down on grass that has their own feces beside it. They're cows and they don't know any better. And they will sit for hours chewing their cud.

      Now, back in the day, I would go out to the barn and CLEAN off Elsie's udder VERY, VERY well and as I'm squatting on a stool while squirting her milk in a bucket, Elsie would slap me with her tail....that had been flipping flies off her arse that morning.

      Guess what comes hurling off that tail other than fly guts?

      ANYTHING her tail came in contact with prior to my milking her.

      And, like Mexicans that are accustomed to their water South of the border where you and I would come down with Montezuma's revenege if we drank it, so cows have different "nasties" from one farm to the next. I could drink Elsie's moo juice and be fine. But Old Man Falk's cows' milk would cause me to vomit for a day if I drank it.

      But you all go ahead and drink to your heart's content.

      I know better.

    • 9 months ago
  • cmc101
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      cmc101  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      I remember finding well water rope in the milk can and other types of additives to the milk and cracking eggs with chicks in them.
      what the farmer sent to the market they would not eat or drink themselves !

    • 9 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • cmc101:

      I had the misfortune of working at the last butter plant Swift and Company had in the U.S..

      The separators that spun the milk fats from the milk to make butter and cheese with would get clogged up with some of the most ungodliest things! The hair that would bunch up was disgusting. Then the farmer that delivered the milk in his tanker would fill it with the buttermilk byproduct to take and sell to the pig farmer. Same truck. Oh, he would hose it out a bit, but that didn't "clean" it out of all the residue. And if you've EVER been around milk, then you will understand that when I say that "milk stones" dry as hard as diamonds!
      You can't chisel it off stainless steel! It's a slow process of grinding it off.

      I DO NOT drink milk. I eat the least amount of cheese I can.

      I know better.

    • 9 months ago
  • GavinTheMother
  • Swisher
    • +1
      Swisher  

    • Here y'all go again with the hysteria. In both this case and the recent case in California, the FDA issued WARNING letters to the proprietors, which were ignored. Mr. Allgyer's raw milk was being sold in improperly labeled containers. If you're all asking for deregulation of the FDA, perhaps you should sample some of the baby formula coming out of China.

    • 9 months ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  

    • If you believe in and understand the germ theory of disease than you also must understand that drinking unpasteurized milk is like playing Russian roulette with your health.

      With that said, I think informed adults should be free to risk their health following this misguided hipster health fad if that is their desire - but I don't think children should be exposed to this risk - that would be child abuse.

    • 9 months ago
  • Buddha2112
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      Buddha2112  
    • unimatrix0:

      Hipster health fad? Milk was unpasteurized up to 1864... All those people prior to that date were heathens and hipsters... Drinking 'unclean' milk. While there were risks involved a long time ago, we've long passed the need to pasteurize and control milk. Farms are cleaner and more sanitary than ever, and we've developed PLENTY of tests for milk safety. It is feasible to produce unpasteurized HEALTHY milk. Not only is it now safe, it's far more healthy and clean than the bullshit 'regulated' milk we're forced to consume. Child abuse is feeding your children milk with hormones and all the other bullshit chemicals that make it 'clean'. Hooray for 8 year olds with breasts and menstrual cycles, right?

      Leave the choice up to the people... Get the government hands out of personal choices.

    • 9 months ago
  • charliesommers
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      charliesommers  
    • Buddha2112:

      Yeah, and while we're at it lets get rid of those stupid regulations pertaining to doctors, when I am feeling a bit down I prefer going to the barber and having him bleed me. A centuries old procedure that saves lots of money.

      If you have a STD you should be allowed to buy some mercury from your local pharmacist and treat it with that. It was a popular cure until a few centuries ago.

      According to CDC, between 1998 and 2008, there were 85 outbreaks of human infections resulting from consumption of raw milk reported to CDC, including a total of 1,614 reported illnesses, 187 hospitalizations and two deaths. Illnesses and deaths have also been linked to the consumption of fresh cheese made from raw (unpasteurized milk), especially the Mexican-style queso fresco cheeses. Since many millions of people drink pasteurized milk every day in the United States, and only about 1-3% of the population drinks raw milk, the number of illnesses reported show that the actual risk of getting sick from drinking raw milk is tremendously higher than drinking pasteurized milk.

      I don't really think the government is trying to take away all our personal freedom, they are just trying to save us from ourselves. In the words of the famous Pogo Possum, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

    • 9 months ago
  • GavinTheMother
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      GavinTheMother  
    • unimatrix0:

      The only reason it may be risky to drink unpasteurized milk is for the very reasons the defendant sited. The distance in time and space as well as the very poor conditions in which livestock barely remain alive through the process is the largest contributor to unhealthy products. I would trust my neighbors in northern California over anything in the total crap supermarkets that sell extremely low quality food. Most Americans eat total crap food that the FDA is totally fine with....cause they are bought

    • 9 months ago
  • GavinTheMother
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      GavinTheMother  
    • charliesommers:

      "the enemy is us" is true. My enemy is people like you who think that the government is saving me from myself. What an ironic reference. You are the enemy because you think it's ok that the government protects me from myself. The average American isn't knowledgeable enough to deserve the power to tell me how to live. Freedom in this country is a myth, thanks buddy.

    • 9 months ago
  • charliesommers
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      charliesommers  
    • GavinTheMother:

      We band together and form governments for mutual protection, that is the basis on which civilizations are formed. You are free to drink all the contaminated milk you care to, just don't plan on purchasing it in states that for health reasons have banned its sale. Buy yourself a goat, milk it yourself, and drink up.

      Milk is not a good food for humans anyway, it is basically designed to nourish cows. We would all be better off if milk were eschewed by the whole population in favor of leafy green veggies as a calcium source. The USA consumes more calcium that any country in the world yet has the highest rate of osteoporosis.

      No need to thank me, my opinions are offered free of charge, now have a nice day,

    • 9 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
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    • GavinTheMother:

      Should we allow the government to not stop stupid people from harming themselves?

      I'll wager you would be the first one to scream bloody murder if the government allowed that.

      Why would anyone want to take a chance at death when those who really want to die have problems doing it.
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      Last updated at 9:30 AM on 10th August 2009

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1205138/The-chilling-truth-city-pay-pe...

      His body ravaged by cancer, lumberjack David Prueitt barely had the strength to raise the cup to his lips.

      In it was a mix of apple sauce and dozens of crushed barbiturate pills, legally prescribed by the 42-year-old's doctor to end his life.

      Within minutes, the drugs had started to take effect, the terminally-ill man slipping into unconsciousness as his wife sat by his side.

      Prescription: In Oregon, doctors can prescribe the terminally ill lethal medication
      If all had gone to plan, David would have quickly and peacefully passed away, his breathing becoming more laboured until it eventually stopped altogether.
      But it did not happen like that. Instead, after three days in a deep coma, David suddenly woke up. 'Honey?' he said to his wife. 'What the hell happened? Why am I not dead?'
      For another 13 days, coherent but racked with pain, David survived before finally succumbing to the disease and dying naturally in his home near Portland, Oregon's most populous city.

      In that time he would be transformed from just another death to be recorded under Oregon's policy of assisted suicide into a figurehead for opponents of the U.S. state's deeply controversial Death With Dignity Act.
      'He took five times the amount of barbiturates that should kill somebody and he still didn't die,' his older brother Steve told the Daily Mail this week.

      'If anything, he should have been brain-dead. But he told us that, while unconscious, he had found himself before God and been told: "Not this way, David." God chose David as his spokesman, absolutely.'
      He adds: 'It definitely made it very clear to me that we are not supposed to determine our own deaths.

    • 9 months ago
  • Swisher
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      Swisher  
    • charliesommers:

      I would add one stipulation to those who want the freedom to eat/drink what they want. If you get sick, you pay cash, out of your own pocket for your health care. Don't raise my insurance rates with your "freedom".

    • 9 months ago
  • charliesommers
  • nashkildare
  • Warren_Merrill
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      Warren_Merrill  

    • The government should mind their own business. It's up to the consumer to understand if they purchase milk outside a grocery store, if doesn't say pasteurized it's probably raw milk.

    • 9 months ago
  • lazloman
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      lazloman  

    • If people want to drink it, they should be able to. You shouldn't be able to sell it to an unsuspecting public, but as long folks understand the risks, who cares?

    • 9 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • Jennifer_Guinn
    • +1
      Jennifer_Guinn  

    • Crossing state borders was how they busted Tommy Chong. And the guy, who was actually a cop, begged for months before they finally sent him a Chong Bong. Then they busted him. There is a good documentary of that. Netfix has it. "A.K.A. Tommy Chong" I think. As I see it, what a person chooses to consume is their own business. Especially when the approved methods of milk production are so nasty. Mastitus -- yuck. I drink soymilk, but would be interested to see what unpastuerized milk is like. I'm sure much better for a person than grocery store milk.

    • 9 months ago
  • WagonMaster
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      WagonMaster  

    • I see nothing wrong with raw milk. I like it and will buy it when I can find it. I detest skim, 1%, 2% and only use whole milk from local dairys because it tastes better. Organic milk is my favorite. That being said, the FDA's actions are a waste of tax payers dollars on a non-issue.

    • 9 months ago
  • Schnookums
    • +1
      Schnookums  

    • I grew up on bulk-tank milk and never had a problem with lactose intolerance until I didn't have access to real milk.

      Now, if I can't get the real thing, I don't drink it or consume its products.

      Thankfully I have my own supply, but if you don't, please seek out farmers or groups that are willing to help you get a hold of real food. If you can't afford it all the time, make a purchase once a month just to show support. Sometimes the most effective political dissent comes in small contributions from the many, rather than large contributions from the few.

      Do your due diligence on the supplier you choose. Visit their farm once and see with your own eyes how sanitary it is, and how they treat their animals. I think you'll find why the risks of contracting disease from consuming food products from a family farmer are, at the very least, similar to taking the risk of consuming food from factory inspired agri-giants.

    • 9 months ago
  • crabbyoldguy
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      crabbyoldguy  
    • Schnookums:

      Having grown up milking free range dairy cows I can assure you that looking at how clean the operation is and how happy the cows are should not be the basis for determining the quality of the milk.

      That said, I think it should be up to the consumer to choose what they want, and up to the supplier that products are labeled correctly.

      Personally I wouldn't drink raw milk unless I ran the Dairy and had the results of the milk test.

    • 9 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
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    • crabbyoldguy:

      To end all the debate once and for all the government should let people drink it, but, here's the caveat...you MUST register your particulars so when an outbreak does happen, and trust me, it will, they can contact you to so you won't drink it AND they can have a running study to go by for future arguments, either way the cow swings her tail!

      I lived on a farm and it was a "right of passage" in the springtime for me to imbibe....and then I did not drink milk for the rest of the year. My mother would cook with it which would kill any bacteria anywho.

      I do not miss drinking milk. Why would I want to? That was reserved for the calves!

      Oh, my father ran a dairy replacement farm. Dairy farmers used his cows to replace the ones that stopped producing. My father had to keep records of what Elsie "manufactured" to get the best price for his Guernsey moo moos!

      LOL

    • 9 months ago
  • cmc101
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • +1
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • cmc101:

      Not every dairy farmer had enough land to have cows to spare to breed. My father's business was the "gap" that kept the "production line" going. It tears a farmer a new one seeing a milking machine with one less "producer" at the "station".

      Twice a day those poor cows would have to "put out". Those cows' udders would be so sore just looking at them! Blood and puss...some farmers don't give a damn.

      But my father did. He wouldn't sell to certain farmers!

    • 9 months ago
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