Rumsfeld slips up and admits flight 93 shot down - YouTube

Johnny,

I would be interested in a credible source regarding Cheney's orders to the planes. Where did you find this information?

(sounds like I'm trying to put you on the spot, that's not my intention: I've heard this numerous times before, and want something I can point to).

Thanks.

just google "transportation secretary norman mineta testifies cheney gave stand down order"

Will do, thanks.

So do I.

They had a picture of Daddy Bush in a location where they could walk over his image on a daily basis in Iraq .Remember being hit by shoes is considered the greatest insult. I do not mean to say that's why they attacked Iraq. There has ways been speculation that there were plans to attack Saddam no matter what.It's odd those same neo-cons find it safe to come out again. Hadn't heard from Rommry and Armitage in a while.

The facts are overwhelming in favor of a massive cover-up from a inside job...Every area of this has been indisputably linked to people in this Country setting this up. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand ...maybe fright .. Anyone who studies this will come to the same conclusion ...simply read the evidence that has been collected since it happened and watch the damn film clips......to think these building fell from a plane strike and fire is so absurd it's inconceivable..it's never happened for a very good reason. Do people still think it's a bunch of kids behind the 9 11 truth ? (not that anything is wrong with that idea) but the people who want( know) the truth are folks with very ,very credible reputations ...Scientists , Professors , doctors,engineers , High ranking military and Intelligence personnel...the list is amazing and all these people understand the corruption behind the commissions report.

i didn't know that. Thanx.

JFK was about to tell the world truths that were supposed to be kept from the people, then he was shot.

I will pitch in on his ticket to get there.

Me too brother ...

So will I, bailey.

among many other things I am sure...can anyone say EVIL man?

He's EVIL for sure, STC.

Thank for the info, Hardytoo. This backs up the video.

Where'd you get that picture man that's fuct, at least I had my tinfoil hat put up......

Rumsfeld clearly states the plane was shot down over Pennsylvania. How and why would you want to spin that? Doesn't fit your agenda?

I want that room, it reminds me of the '70s SciFi future we are suppose to be living in today...........where's the food replicator?

YES, why he and Cheney are still "roaming free in the land" is beyond me. Bet they're very afraid to go out of country tho' - (the Commenter "Plumbobyeo" who lives in Taos commented the other day that Rummy couldn't take the "heat" from the loud protesting in his driveway every day so he was run out of there - not a happy retirement.) Wonder which rock he's living under now. Should be hangin' from a rope.
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bush and his cronies are all wanted in other countries and hated here.

It is said that man hates or fears that which he doesn't understand... no wonder leftists are so hateful and fear mongering, they haven't a clue... but you bailey, surely you know better, what's your excuse?

I have a great dislike for the way the Government treats those that it should be working for. All out of greed.

I was thinking, if a Bounty hunter was to arrest Bush and take him to Geneva could said Bounty hunter legally shoot and kill the secret service agents attached to protect him if they interfere? Could those same Agents be brought up on aiding and abetting in a war criminals flight from Justice? Why do I see a war starting on American soil to stop US from the Evil that the rest of the world sees us as.

What do you know? Whatever Fox and Rush tell you, that's all.

You need not look any further than your own party bailey.

Ok! Seeing I am not a bounty hunter nor do I play one n Tv. I can onkly say go for it let me know how it works out for ya. Oh hey you have my support in your actions but I can only sit back and watch for now. I'm not getting shot for anyone that is not family

LOL, I'm not one either, yet seeing as this is a greedy nation (2%)........... Did you see any were if there was a reward for their capture?..........crippled as I am I agree with the getting shot only for family and loved ones.

Well if there was a reward do you think the American public would hear about it?? Then you would have some redneck with a deer rifle going after the bastards.

I was wondering about that hateful and fear mongering you speak of. Could that be why the rethuglicant's want us in a war with the rest of the world. Because they fear and hate all they don't understand.

Oops, my bad, it's that I see no distinction from one politician to another, no matter what partisanship they profess to guide their 'actions' on behalf of us poor dumb proles.

LMAO, I thought the Rednecks loved them Rethug criminals. You're right the biased media would have it all buried, at least Fux New would kill it.

Then why, pray tell as you say, are we yet at war and there is no real effort to extricate ourselves, in spite of this administrations complicity on maintaining the self same wars of which you imply that the conservatives are guilty?.. or have you forgotten that the liberals voted in congress 'for' the war before they were 'against' the war...focking hypocrites!

Really Uncle Bill voted us into war?? Really when did he do this? as I remember it was bush that stole then voted us into war with everybody he could find that had oil his family and companies wanted.

Hey for the right price them folks would turn in their own mother.

Really?.. How much of that oil that Bush and cronies 'conspired' to 'get' have we gotten?.. I call bullshit on that inane leftist 'talking point.'

Because the banks, corporations and military have too much invested in these wars to let the first black President just end them. As we near the 9/11 memorial, it should be voiced time and again that Al Qaeda has been decimated, thought they were hardly a threat to begin with. It should be known that the War On Terror only fueled the Radical Muslims. The US invaded two countries, killed thousands of innocent civilians, destroyed entire communities, wrecked its own economy, all because a dozen men with box-cutters were able to hijack planes and fly them into buildings.

Please ahiguy, tell us what we don't understand. Why would you defend Donald Rumsfeld? Do you believe him to be some patriot? Do you honestly believe this man and the people he associates with give a damn about protecting this country?

It's so simple that it's too painful to recognize error instead of conspiracy... which the progressives believe that conservatives are much to stupid to orchestrate, but insist they 'engineered' it never-the-less... got damn you jokers are funny!

Well I'm calling bullshit on the fact that you are closed minded on the fact that we are stealing oil from countries that we invaded. So fooy on yooy :-P

In Afghanistan, the real reason for nation building is to ensure the oil pipelines run to the right people; American corporations. Iraq is the best military strategic position in the Middle East, because it allows the US military to build bases near and around Syria and Iran. There has been no evidence, as far as I know, that indicates the US is stealing the oil from Iraq. That said, the US Military is definitely protecting the oil fields and taking charge of who has access to the resources in the area. When politicians say that operations in a foreign nation are dedicated to protecting America's national interest... what do you think they are talking about? RESOURCES. Its not the US government that collects the profits from those resources, its the corporations that US Military works for.

ahiguy, we live in an age of Corporatism. The corporations gobble up power, they bought government, paid for the changes in policies and regulations, and give orders to the puppets in public office. Corporatism will use elements of Capitalism, Socialism, and definitely a touch of Fascism, in a structure similar to an Oligarchy. The end game is to make a profit. It doesn't matter how it effects communities, the country, the environment, or any piece of this planet; the system seeks to consume everything.

ok... we disagree, that's hardly shocking is it?

Don't you mean grand mother.....wait ....no their mothers are their grandmothers and their fathers are their brothers......HEY!!!! I just described the Bush family......sorry you're right they would.

Roger that

~ " ahiguy, we live in an age of Corporatism. The corporations gobble up power, they bought government, paid for the changes in policies and regulations, and give orders to the puppets in public office. Corporatism will use elements of Capitalism, Socialism, and definitely a touch of Fascism, in a structure similar to an Oligarchy. The end game is to make a profit. It doesn't matter how it effects communities, the country, the environment, or any piece of this planet; the system seeks to consume everything."

Now there in that regard, you'll get no disagreement from me!..

Much of which you refer are the direct/indirect result of the applications of economic corporatism by liberal political parties and organizations aka Liberal Corporatism... dig deeper into the anarcho-corporatism embedded into the Corporatism of which you refer and you'll find the root cause of the turmoil for the 'benefit' of our electorate plutocracy and their corporate partners in greed.

No not at all I talk with many here that have a closed mind. I'm used to it.

Me either Bailey. I don't even like guns.

Good one bailey, Bush along with Cheney wanted us in these wars

What a coincidence, I think much the same about the concrete thinking from liberal 'progressives' minds... all mixed up and permanently set.!.!

What thoughts? I don't see many thoughts, I see a whole lot of propaganda and talking points designed to mislead the public. That's why I got the hell out of the Republican Party in the first place. Willie Horton, Swift Boat, Birtherism...yeah, those were some pretty deep thoughts!

Unlike many here (fit yourself wherever you please) at current, I follow no party mantra... that I'm a conservative doesn't make me unable to think for myself, and don't think for a N.Y. second that I'm even close to being in lockstep with main-stream propaganda... so save the ad hominem for someone who gives a shit about your erroneous opinions.

I must say I belive most everyone should have a gun and be taught to use it without shooting themselves in the foot.

MY mind is not set. Burnt around the edges a little but it is still open to outside influance. I just see where we are and how we got here is all. I know many that disagree with my thoughts on the subject. I have yet to hear anything other than B.S. to contradict it.

Conservanuts are the most closed minded people in the world . They can't pry apart all the narrowminded sections of their brains long enough to allow reason to enter and have the capacity to understand the liberal mind. We liberals understand the right wing mind too well--they don't have one. Easy.

Liberal at least have thoughts instead of playing follow the leader because Republicans have regimented minds that don't allow them to disobey authority.

Bwahahahaha... god that's rich, that you'd even imagine that I'm as easily manipulated as you and the welfare sycophants that the socialist progressives have sucking on the govt's tit, sent me into convulsions of uncontrollable laughter... *gasp*

Thoughts?.. Free thinkers?.. Is that what you call flash mobs?.. People who simply believe that because they exist, they're entitled to strike out, harm and 'steal' from productive society at will because they're equal?.... equal to what, criminals?

I seriously doubt that you'll ever, I repeat ever look beneath the surface veneer of the progressive party and catch an inkling of just how badly you've been 'hosed' by those who've professed throughout the years how altruistic they've been on your behalf... all the while focking you senseless, without the benefit of you even dropping your pants!
Puh-leese, you progressives are such a joke, trying so desperately to make a failed socio-political ideology work that it's positively mind cramping to observe.

What's that definition of insanity again? ... oh yeah, doing something that doesn't work over and over again, and expecting different results.

I have to admit that although I may admire the socialists tenacity, I'm in awe of their mind numbing delusion.

Same old irrelevant and inaccurate right wing talking points. Perhaps if conservatards ever put their inbred resentments away for 2 minutes they may achieve some degree of enlightenment, but that will never happen. It's their lot in life to attempt to retard all progress and one doesn't need
an open mind or intelligence for that.

Lame. Why do you suppose the conservative mind is so lacking in true wit? T'is a quandry.

One never need to look beneath the surface of conservatives at all, their resentment , greed and
corporate butt kissing is all out in the open for all to see. No use wasting one's time lookin beneath the surface for something that doesn't exist. One may as well tear apart the scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz looking for his brain.

You've schooled yourself well in Alinsky tactics... tell a lie often enough, eventually many foolishly come to believe it as truth.
... unfortunately for you, and unlike you and liberal socialists, I'm not one of those who believe that debt can be overcome by creating more debt, and then attempt to plunder producing Americans to fund the never ending loop of stupidity that you jokers think is "social engineering," when all it is, is semi-organized chaos... but then, Marxist have utter contempt for reason outside of their ideological box.

What's that definition of insanity again? ... oh yeah, doing something that doesn't work over and over again, and expecting different results.

You are a total right wing extremist fool. I despise Saul Alinsky. I despise extremists from both sides. I am a moderate to slightly liberal Democrat philosophically, and it's no surprise you cannot recgnize that--extremists always see things in black and white when the truth lies somewhere in between. Please save your stupid accusations of Marixsm and socialism for the fringe extremists from both sides who are crawling all over this site. As for me it's hard to tell you all apart, all of your are so disassociated from reality that I can't tell which side is more dangerous. But I have suspicions it's your side, they tend to be violent and repressive and intolerant. That's quite evident in every statement you make. Right wing conservatism is a social disease which can only be cured at the ballot box.

So typical of a right winger, unable to distinguish between incitement to violence and a rhetorical statement to mobilize union activism aimed at the ballot box.
Even more typical is the Rethug obsession with money. The stimulus obviously worked or we would have sunk even deeper into a depression and the fact that we are no longer losing 750,000 jobs a month proves that. Too bad we didn't spend twice that, still think we should go ahead and do it regarless of the ridiculous protestations of the Rethugs. The greatest part of the deficit was the result of Bush's unfunded mandates and two unfunded wars and the majority of the American people still , accurately, blame him for that, so you can deny it as much as you want and it's not going to impress them or me.Silly Rethugs, always denying the truth and blaming someone else for their stupidity and mistakes. It will never change and is worthy of so much ridicule. Heaps and heaps of ridicule and I will gladly to continue to oblige.

Well said, Joeredford!!! YAYYYY!

Thanks, hardytoo. Don't you just love debating Rethugs? They always think they're winning when all they're doing is digging themselves deeper into the mire and muck.

We'll hear them yelling "HELP - dig me out of the hole I dug...."

If they ask nicely, I'd lend them a pooper scooper. But they never ask. only demand.

You skipped around answering my question with more ad hominem, and since the O'bama administration with progressives in control of the House and Senate for 2 1/2 years, 5 trillion dollars more has been added to the national debt in these past nearly 3 years by both Democrats & Republicans.

Should I be apologizing because I see badly planned and executed social policy that has imposed more and burden upon the backs of taxpayers on carrying financially unsustainable revenue consuming entitlements?

Yes my friend, revision is badly needed to the current state of our government...
I also believe that a responsible and equatable tax code must be initiated, so that ALL citizens have "skin" in the game...

... & tell me please, how do you feel about the "gang of 12" super committee? Does it bother your or not that now 12 men sit in control of much of the legislation, that than can effect us all, whether we are in will for it or not... do you consider that as representative government?

Seriously joe, I'll discuss issues with you... let's keep it civil, okay?