Police beat unarmed man

so funny and so true sometimes

May not of used flashlights. The local cops wear sap gloves for times when a flashlight won't do.

From what I have come to understand is he has bruising that could have only came from the car it's self. The bike also has damage that could only come from being hit by a car.

well the Texas Rangers are investagating it so it will be delt with pretty quick.

exactly

Well Jan they have a had a few folks they say have hung themselves in our jail here that were just the nicest folks you could ever meet. They were never investagated by a outside force they have had guys get their arms broke and have never been investagated for it. I have seen them let a guygo that could not stand up but they let him drive away. I have seen with my own eyes a man take out fifty foot of chainlink fence. Yet they let Me drive what was left of his truck home so he would not get into trouble. Yet an old man riding his bike gets beat into a come for not having a light on it. I have to wonder just what the hell is going on in my home town.

You're absolutely right. I'd also like to see a national study on penis size correlated with career type. I think we'd be surprised at the results.

That is why they are driving tanks and Dodge Chargers I guess?

Not really .....

Yep!

yeah. And we make them.

It didn't used to be that way, but it's become a civil rights profiling issue. They have to treat everyone the same. And that means worst case because any other choice will get them killed eventually.

It's a shame but your right.

Maybe, in the purest "legal" terms.... 90% are bullshit (don't care to check)....

But how many people know not to report it? because it does no good...

And there is a much bigger issue here that is fact, cops are out of control, they are sent on paid vacation for everything from beatings to murder, and we don't all want to live in an authoritarian hellhole.....

So..... besides this particular case, police corruption, political corruption, it all needs to end...

is your evidence of them being out of control the said "paid vacation?" Because it's a lot more like house arrest. Sure they don't have to go to work, but they get to play with lawyers instead, and they also have the joy of wondering if they're going to lose their job, pension, and maybe house. It's fantastically stressful.

Trained storm troopers nothing more.

um... No. There ARE cops who are trained storm troopers. But they're generally not in the US. Are there bad cops? Sure. it's an industrial problem.
Pedophiles try to become teachers, necrophiliacs try to become morticians, pyromaniacs try to become firemen, and bullies try to become cops. The thing is, everyone also knows that and is consequently on the lookout for it. Think of it this way. When you were in school how many of your teachers were pedos? Sure, you hear about 'em, but how many teachers have YOU had over the years and how many of em were that way?

Police screening is rigorous (or at least should be, and almost always is. Is it in your town? Maybe that's worth looking into.) That doesn't always stop it though. One of the down sides of being a public servant, be it social worker, fireman, policemen, etc.. is you spend a lot of time looking up the anus of society. it can eat a person. Sometimes they need to stop being cops. Sometimes that choice needs to be made for them.

Is this the case here? We will likely find out.

well i see your point not all are bad but the bad sure sticks out more than the good.

Recording their every moment would stop a lot of whats going on. But like in this case the video is out of order. That just happens when they beat one of us it never happens when we do something wrong.

Your 100% right.

possible, but not a fact in the article. What is your source?

Ok first off this old man was hit by the car first then the cop got out and kicked him into a coma. He was never given the chance to talk to them. That is the problem. They acted like storm troopers not public servents. This is not the first time they have done such actions.

Right, and you would also have us believe women are at fault for their rapes?

article
"Just before midnight, the family's attorneys say they believe police tried stopping Ortiz for not having a headlight on his bike. Then, the situation took a dramatic turn when one officer allegedly knocked Ortiz to the ground."

From the article I would assume that verbal contact was made with Mr. Ortiz in an attempt to get him to stop. When he didn't stop he was either hit with a car or a cop tackled him.

The cops used a bullcrap reason to make contact but the law states that headlamp is required.

More safety laws just give the cops more justification to stop and harass the public.

Once again, why not stop, talk to the cop, go home?

Topic is cops beating up people.

It's called an analogy, and you don't get it. Are we to expect this behavior from cops?

I believe I have addressed your question already but to reiterate, cops beating up people is bad.

So why not stop, talk to the cop, go home?

I believe that it was first told that he was bumped with the car then the cop hit and kicked him for a while.

We are not so sure the cop even asked him to stop.The belief is he was struck with the car first. Even if he was not hit by the car first to beat someone into a coma and this is an old guy by the way is just a little overboard I believe.Also what happen the video?? Funny but when they have one of use doing soething wrong the video is always crystal clear. But hey let someone to get beat half to death and all of a suddenthe video malfuntioned. Sorry but I find that real strange.

I was responding to the article. If you have additional info please share.

"Either with his vehicle or with his person pushed him over on his bicycle. He fell over to the street," said Stephen Carriganan, attorney for the family.

They say they believe when Ortiz was already on the ground bleeding the officer got out and punched or kicked him causing even more injuries.

The whole situation is hinkey and the only thing we know for sure is that the cop beat the crap out of the guy.

Maybe you could follow this story and post back when/if they get some answers.

Stop, talk to the cop, and go home.

Stop, talk, go home. You keep saying that. You're being naive about the "go home" part. Ever hear of "Driving While Black"? Do you think the fact that this man's name was Ortiz had anything to do with his being stopped for not having a light on his bicycle? Is this the police state you're comfortable with?

I understand the stop talk go home part but to beat someone this bad is just wrong. This happens to the cops and folks go to prison for fifteen to twenty. This cop will get a raise and a promotion out of it i bet. An yes I will be updateing this story as it unfolds. The Texas Rangers will get to the truth I believe.

They pick and choose who they harass around here.

I will as it unfolds trust me on that.

Nope. Topic is the accusation that one particular cop beat up one particular guy for one particular reason.

Do I think the reason this guy wound up in the hospital is that he had a headlight out on his bike? Hell no. That's idiot reasoning. There almost certainly has to be more to this.

I have heard first hand accounts of cops going after a guy and abusing their authority. Once. In that particular case the man in question was being accused of abuse by his wife. The wife was floridly mentally ill, and the man's "abuse" was wanting to leave her, but the cops didn't know that at the time.

All of the information in the story is coming from the lawyer of the accused. Does this mean it sounds bad? Of course. That means the lawyer is doing his job. Why people are assuming this is the whole of the story though is beyond me.

no, it's called a false syllogism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism

Correct, but by whom? That is the issue here.

and who is "they" in this case?

He's not disagreeing that this may be bad. he's just saying that we don't have enough information about the situation to know if your assumption is the truth or not.

False syllogism #2 BTW.

that I can agree with. This guy is way too damaged. The only reason I could see something like this reasonable happening is if the guy was on something or was in the middle of a violent mental illness episode.

There is one other factor here. You say the guy was hit by a car? How much damage was from the car?

i assume this guy's wounds are being forensically examined. Any data back on that yet?

That one is something that can be one after. Maybe a little freakonomics action is in order here. Any arrest statistics floating around?

Sometimes these turn out weird. Minneapolis did a study a while back after someone noticed a statistical incidence of racial profiling in police stops and drug arrests after car searches. After an analysis what they discovered is the vast majority of the stops were for bad tabs. The state had just passed a new law that raised tab prices. lower income people couldn't afford to buy tabs so they were driving without them and being stopped. They lowered the tab prices, and the statistical anomaly disappeared.

I look forward to it.

Those that patrol the streets in order to protect those they choose to protect.

I don't follow. What do you mean?

Some folks get driven home when drunk while others get beat to hell and put in jail.

For it to happen to an old man that was riding his bike without a light though is just insane. I tried to get the officers name and they gave me the third degree. I hung up none the less.

I agree with you there, David_H.

Insane indeed, bailey. The usual circling of the wagons by the police after the fact. It is disgusting. They always protect their own.

They are not heros they are thugs that have the backing of the government

Well I hope the cop that did this gets a prolapsed rectum

Well it looks like I need to get a bike and ride around town with my video camera and see what happens. I might get some real good video. :)

Thats an idea. Maybe I should think this out a little more. But hey if ya don't hear from me. They put me in ICU and I am in a coma.

Me too, bailey.

maybe. Sometimes. It's not true generally though.

everyone eventually dies of something unpleasant.

please attach the recorder to the bike and don't try to look thorough it while driving. I can just see you piling into a tree doing that.

Assumptions on the rise as well it seems.

The thing that gets me is if i was to hit a cop with my car they would be chargeing me with attemping to kill a police officer. Double standard maybe? They will not even give the officers name that did this.

A-holes, what can I say!

I hate the fact that they will not say who it was that beat the old man into a coma. They are doing everything they can to avoid being held responsible

nope, that's a legal requirement. They literally don't have a choice in the matter. if there turns out to be substance to the allegation the name will come out.

well the sooner we find out the sooner we can try to get him fired.

mmm... I'm not sure this follows. Accusations like this predate the war on drugs.

So let me get this right, drug war = a highly armed police force, because those druggies have AK 47's and we must be prepared, to orders when dealing with a gunfight in the streets you must empty your weapons upon the perpetrators of such a gun fight. A police force trained in military tactics because of the drug didn't happen?

Where does heavy weaponry play a part here? You're pushing way into non topical territory.

My point is you are saying this alleged behavior is the result of Regan era drug policy. For this to be true this behavior would have to be not true before the 80's. I see no evidence of this. If anything there is less brutality than before the 1980's.

I submit the film "walking tall" (1973) as evidence.

It has if anything escalated since the Reagan era war on drugs! Proof is in the pudding, with the release of people who should be in institutions by budget cuts starting during the Reagan administration. Just here for instance (Portland, Oregon) two mentally challenged street people have been beaten to death by maniac Police. Now if you haven't noticed that many Police organizations all over the country carry M-16's in their trunks, just for occasions of engaging highly armed Drug criminals then you are not paying attention. A mindset of said Police officers these days is a direct correlation of said drug war!

I fail to see how Regan's nutter in the gutter program applies here. it does put vulnerable and dangerous people out on the street to die, and if the bicycle rider had a history of mental problems it might apply to the thread, but not your comment about the drug war.

Also repeating an argument doesn't make it more true. has 911, the mexican drug cartel situation, and the advent of privately available body armor called for more powerful police weaponry? Sure. But again the correlation between actin and presence of weaponry just is not there.

It's a Mindset, trained into many of the Centurions Brains. 95% of any Police force are mentally stable, but the additional combative training gives us that 5% that take it to the extreme. Ask yourself, would that training not create a more abusive Cop?

in this case doubtful. Remember this was not a weapons attack. I again refer you to that movie.

I wish i could find a legal link, but netflix doesn't even have it on DVD. It's a true story about a viet nam vet who comes back to his home town to run for local sheriff. It epitomizes the vigilante cop mindset. I'm talking the origina version BTW. There have been several remakes.

Police high risk entry and heavy weapons training has superficial similarities to military combat training, mostly in equipment, but the actual way they go about doing things is quite different. Often exactly the opposite in fact.

That said it does bring up the possibility that this officer could be a PTSD vet.

The local police will do nothing about the street gangs but ride your bike at night without a light and they will try to kill you.

where i'm at they would have tazed him and kicked him in the head a few times just for the shits and giggles

It's called the "Blue Wall of Silence" and it is inherent in EVERY police department. Police feel they are under enough stress without having to answer for the occasional "bad day" they might have. And yes, if you break the Code of Silence, you may find your department's response time to an emergency involving you VERY SLOW.
Remember, Rodney King did not get "BEATEN" because he was black, he got beaten because he was not BLUE.
Any citizen other than a cop could have expected the same treatment that night, yellow, red, white, black or brown.
I can almost guarantee the Aransas Pass Police response:
"He made threatening moves toward us and we had to defend ourselves."
"He pulled out what looked like a gun, but it turned out to be his wallet"
"We ordered him to stop but he tried to escape and we used the minimum force necessary to subdue him."
"He was acting unstable and appeared to be high on some type of drug or drugs. We had to defend ourselves when he attacked us."
Something along those lines with another statement saying "we are unable to comment at this time as it is an ongoing Police Investigation". If the family expects ANY Justice, they had better request an outside agency like the State or Federal Government (FBI) take an active interest. Otherwise they will end up suing in Municipal Court for damages and no criminal charges will ever be brought against the police, either for the crime or for the cover-up.
GOOD LUCK.

was this guy a gang member by any chance? I'm not saying you are wrong, but we need more information. Have patience. i know a woman who got hit by a bad bust during a protest. She sounded for years like you do. She eventually became a lawyer and one of the first things she did was sue the department. Not because she thought she'd win but because she had to. The bust was over ten years old when she did it but she won. It helped her immensely. Not financially, though that didn't hurt, but psychologically.

If you have been a victim of police abuse I encourage you to pursue it, at least to get closure.

No he was not a gang member if he was they would have said right off the bat he was. He is just an old guy that rode his bike at the wrong time in the wrong place and is now beat into a coma.

Where are you getting 'commonplace"?