The US Sues Itself While Europe Crumbles
source: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,784115,00.html
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'There Has Been a Clear Crisis of Confidence'
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,784115,00.html
When we look at the European situation, there has to be fiscal consolidation qualified by growth-intensive measures. In addition, there has to be increased recapitalization of the banks. Clearly, the two go together. The sovereign debt issue weighs on the confidence that market players have in European banks. [..]
The spectrum of policies available to the various governments and central banks is narrower because a lot of the ammunition was used in 2009. But if the various governments, international institutions and central banks work together, we'll avoid the recession.
SPIEGEL:
Does the US need a new stimulus package?
Lagarde:
We are in a situation of slowed growth and we have a confidence issue that culminated this summer with the downgrading of the US from its AAA status. As long as the US puts in place a credible medium-term adjustment plan, there is probably space at the moment to contain the short-term adjustment and take some of those growth-inducing measures.
SPIEGEL:
You suggest fighting the effects of a debt crisis with more debt?
Lagarde:
That's not how I see it. In a world that is so economically interwoven, where the actions of industrial countries have direct influence on emerging economies, one can't be stubborn when the situation changes. We didn't change our minds about the dangers of too much debt, but over the current state of the world economy.
Nothing new from Ms. Lagarde, in other words. What we need is growth! Never mind that with high unemployment in many European countries, as well as the United States, and with housing markets either about to burst (Britain, Holland, Denmark, Sweden) or in just the first steps of doing so (United States, Spain, Ireland), substantial economic growth is but a mirage. It's not all that far-fetched to say we haven't seen any real growth for three decades; instead we've done nothing but borrow our way into an increase in spending power.
And the debt we've accumulated while we were borrowing has now reached levels that make growth no longer possible. In the US, each additional dollar of debt doesn't presently have any positive effect on growth anymore. In Greece, government bonds, the favorite debt instrument among politicians, have reached yields that top 70% for 1-year debt and 40% for 2-year paper. Italy needs to roll over €62 billion in debt before the end of September (the most ever in a single month). There are no buyers on the horizon except for the ECB; a scary realization.
Still, Ms. Lagarde pushes head first and full force for even more debt. In the US, where ..there is probably space at the moment to contain the short-term adjustment .., and in Europe, where ..there has to be fiscal consolidation qualified by growth-intensive measures. In addition, there has to be increased recapitalization of the banks..
In both cases, this would mean more money to be transferred from the taxpayer to the financial institutions. One might say that the crisis of confidence Lagarde talk about is one in which banks are starting to get worried about the size of their next bail-out. Nothing more, nothing less......
Continue at:
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/09/september-5-2011-us-sues-itself-wh...
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NickerBocker09
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What we need is a clean slate.
- 9 months ago
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NickerBocker09
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remanns
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Interesting post. +^d
- 9 months ago
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remanns
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Saladin
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I just don't understand this, is the world just run by morons? Or do they just not care?
You don't fix an economy by tightening up the budget and you can't fix a debt problem without fixing the economy first.
These idiots are all worrying about their own investments, they don't give a shit about the economy.
- 9 months ago
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Saladin
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Gravity_Man
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Saladin:
Morons? Sort of. They just don't have a properly written equation yet, A BIG ASSUMPTION BEING THEY EVEN WANT ONE. If they did it could be done rather easily. Look at your variables. There's CEO pay and there's Worker's pay and a big gap between them => they lack a binding tie.
If total corporate officer's pay was set equal to total worker's pay... - 9 months ago
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Gravity_Man
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letsliveinpeace
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Great post thanks!
- 9 months ago
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letsliveinpeace
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simplecj
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I like the idea of debt forgiveness a lot. Makes sense when everyone is drowning debt while they tell us we need to spend more. How about starting with student loan money? Many graduates in the last several years have finished school only to find out they have a mountain of debt and no good paying career to pay it off with. How about paying down mortgages for every household making under $100k/year? Little things like that would make a world of difference to people's ability and confidence.
Personally I'd like to see debt forgiveness provided by the banks instead of the government, but we all know how likely that is... and with all this talk of spending cuts and debt ceiling it's unlikely the gov is going to do it either.
- 9 months ago
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simplecj
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letsliveinpeace
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simplecj:
As long as the top 1 percent get half of the income, only a massive depression will cause the government to start to even out the playing field. Nobody on this planet has any need of a billion dollars in personal assets. I say take it away from them like they took it away from us. And as for Wall Street, The ones who created this mess should have their assets impounded to pay off their disaster. They set us up, then they must pay for it personally.
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letsliveinpeace
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Saladin
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simplecj:
They can't forgive debt, that causes massive deflation, which causes depressions.
Our whole society runs on debt. You take that away, there literally is only 10% actual money still around.
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Saladin
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Milieu
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The money MUST go to the people ( workers) who are the central driving force of any economy. Without that Driving Force, the economy continues to fail because the top 2% hold their wealth in reserve to protect themselves and take the attitude of Eff everything/everyone else. Same song same verse.
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Milieu
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Dagum
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It's always the same answer from the bank's economists. Consumers, governments, and corporations need to take on more debt to mitigate the problem of having too much debt. Governments need to go into debt, to bail-out the banks that went into too much debt, again.
It's like the cashier at the liquor store telling you that you need to buy more booze to get rid of your hangover.
What we need is debt forgiveness NOW and a move away from debt based money.
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Dagum
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DavidYates
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Unfortunately, we are like defendants in a court case where the judge is the perpetrator and rather than recuse himself, he assures you he will be completely objective in looking out for your best interests.
Begin holding your breath...now. - 9 months ago
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DavidYates
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jubal
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This is complete bullshit. No more bailouts. We have to go through what we have to go through and all we are doing by making more bailouts is delaying the horrible future that we must pass through, and that future is going to worse and worse the longer we delay. We must be ready to face it now.
Banks need to fail. Debt needs to be erased. A major reset of the world economic system is long over due and its time for a Jubilee.
We can't keep paying interest on outright theft. Its an ongoing bloodsucking extortion of the greatest kind.
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jubal
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Dagum
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jubal:
Agreed!
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Dagum
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Schnookums
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Lagarde's solution? Recapitalize (bail out) the banks with more borrowed money! Moron.
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