Expect to see more hurricanes, tornadoes and blizzards thanks to climate changes: scientists
source: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/09/04/2011-09-04_expect_to_see_more_hurricanes_torn...
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"I think it's a trend we expect to see with climate change," said Dr. Malcolm Bowman, an oceanography professor and member of the mayor's panel on climate change. "Extreme weather can be expected."
Although there are still some doubters out there, most scientists agree that the planet is heating up and polar ice is melting - with a clear impact on local weather.
"As the sea level rises, the base level of water is now lapping at the sea wall," said Bowman. As a result, he said, "Manhattan can be flooded more easily."
Tornadoes, once a weather phenomenon that New Yorkers associated with the movies, are now a reality for the city.
During Hurricane Irene the National Weather Service put the five boroughs under a tornado watch.
Last September, 45,000 customers lost power in Brooklyn and Queens after a powerful storm with 70 mph winds knocked down trees and powerlines.
Witness reported seeing funnel clouds in Staten Island, Queens and Brooklyn.
In 2007, a tornado touched down in Sunset Park and Bay Ridge, tearing the roofs off homes and toppling trees.
The Christmas blizzard last year can also be blamed on global warming, which increases humidity in the atmosphere, creating greater precipitation all year round.
"We seem to be pushing extreme temperatures in both directions," said Bowman.
A Columbia University study in 2007 projected the number of heat-related deaths in the city could rise nearly 50 percent from the 1990s to 2061.
Temperatures could rise as much as 6.5 degrees if the current trend continues apace, the study concluded.
The challenge for the city is how to prepare for the inevitable.
"What is important is that people realize that the city is vulnerable to weather extremes - whether it is from hurricane-related storm surges, intense rain events, blizzards etc. and that we build enough resilience to take them all on," said Dr. Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist at the NASA Goddard Institute of Space Studies.
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Nothing to see here that the dinosaurs didn't watch before.
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Gravity_Man:
Only this time humans are the asteroid.
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What goes up.....
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coolplanet:
.....must come down.
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coolplanet:
All because of this.
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so Jan just out of curiosity do you think the planet can produce conditions sufficiant to dissable this Human civilization before we do perminat damage to the existing ecosystem? and if so, do you pray she does so before that point? thanks for trying to warn the dumb asses out there.
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hombre76:
Yes, I hope we wake up before its too late, and right you are... dumbasses one and all. They actually think voting us down here changes the reality of the world. And thanks.
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"What is important is that people realize that the city is vulnerable to weather extremes - whether it is from hurricane-related storm surges, intense rain events, blizzards etc. and that we build enough resilience to take them all on," said Dr. Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist at the NASA Goddard Institute of Space Studies."
This is really the crux of the article. Preparation for these more extreme events in populated areas that are not used to them is essential to now saving lives. Those who wish to dicker back and forth with the same drones who offer nothing in the way of information or solutions can do so. I personally am sick of them cr**** all over these threads when there are important facets of this that need discussion, especially in light of the fact that the environment in general is being attacked at a time when it needs to be taken seriously. People in Vermont are still asking for help from Hurricane Irene and people in my state still have flooding with the remnants of Lee coming through here today as drought and wildlfires still go on elsewhere. People have and will suffer and die because of this, so I personally don't give two farts about some BS photoshopped crayon graphs from an obvious operative with an obsession with oneupmanship just out to prove whatever it is they need to prove in order to get paid. This is real, it is happening now and it is time to deal with it. In other words, either s*** or get off the pot or get the hell out of the way and let those who really care about the future do something about it.
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JanforGore:
I say, as a contributing member of the new Donner Party, we eat these hotdogs and poop them back out!
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coolplanet:
Sorry, I don't eat junk food.
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Spot the increase in F3 - F5 tornadoes.
As can be clearly seen, as the years get hotter, due to man's use of fossil fuels causing CO2 to build up into a blanket and heat the planet, tornadoes are increasing... or something.
Maybe NOAA got the information wrong, maybe this chart is funded by an oil company? - 9 months ago
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IceKat:
2011 (not included on the graph) has surpassed the all-time tornado record.
Tornado season used to be from March to October until the past decade. Now it's 12 monhs a year and tornadoes are happening in places that never saw a tornado before. - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
Oh, ok then, Thanks for that. Can't be anything to do with more reporting, greater population and wider spread of populations, could it? No, probably not. I agree with you again. I'd prefer to believe your beliefs than some silly NOAA data.
Look at this, even Australia's Bureau of Meteorology has it wrong. - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
y,http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-04/deadly-tornado-outbreak-may-be-worst...
"May 04, 2011, 12:56 PM EDT
(Bloomberg) -- The tornado outbreak that killed at least 327 people in the Southeast last week may have been the largest in U.S. history, with an estimated 305 twisters, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.More than 600 tornadoes formed in all of April, compared with the previous record of 267 set in 1974, the agency said in a statement today. That makes April 2011 the most active month ever, breaking the record of 542 tornadoes in May 2003.
“So far, there have been an estimated 881 tornadoes in 2011,” NOAA said. “The annual tornado record is 1,817, set in 2004. May is historically the most active month for tornadoes.”
Insured losses from the outbreak that lasted from April 25 to April 27 may be as much as $5 billion, according to catastrophic risk modeler Eqecat Inc. in Oakland, California. It was the third-deadliest single outbreak, behind March 1925 with 747 deaths and March 1932 with 332, NOAA said."
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They're always picking cherries. Can't read either, because this is also talking about the future based on current changes which are more extreme and being seen in regions where this was previously not known.
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http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/online/monthly/newm.html#latestmtsOh and coolplanet, based on preliminary stats yes, up to now (September for those who only come here to piss on posters instead of contributing anything worthwhile) 2011 is blowing it out of the water (1733 and the year isn't over yet with 1217 ACT.) Some people need to learn how to read. The article I posted here was dated in May when the number quoted was 881. We are now in Sept.
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JanforGore:
There you go... proof of man-made global warming/climate change/biodistress - there can be no other reason for this - join the dots, people!!!
“So far, there have been an estimated 881 tornadoes in 2011,” NOAA said. “The annual tornado record is 1,817, set in 2004. May is historically the most active month for tornadoes.”
Surely if we get everyone to report even the tiniest tornado we can surpass the earlier record. This estimate is, of course, highly accurate. Remember, our fore-fathers used to count their tornadoes very accurately too, even the smallest tornado in the most remote place was counted.
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coolplanet:
"2011 (not included on the graph) has surpassed the all-time tornado record. "
Did you just make that statement up?
Well, 2011 isn't over yet so you might be a little premature with your statement, and besides, how dare you go against the wonderful JanforGore, who posted this:"So far, there have been an estimated 881 tornadoes in 2011,” NOAA said. “The annual tornado record is 1,817..."
Now, I might be a little slow, but if there have been an estimated 881 tornadoes so far, and the record is 1,817, doesn't that mean you still need something like 936 tornadoes in order to break the record?
And "places that never saw a tornado before." Nothing to do with better observations, wider spread of populations, satellite and aerial observations... - 9 months ago
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IceKat:
I'm only reporting what I've read in the press. 2011 was the worst tornado season ever recorded in American history.
Guess we'll have to wait until January when all the numbers are in.
Yet with global warming it's not so much the numbers as the intensity of wind and/or rain.
What planet are you living on? - 9 months ago
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IceKat:
How does the annual tornado record of 1,817 tornadoes set in 2004 help your case against global warming?
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coolplanet:
"Yet with global warming it's not so much the numbers as the intensity of wind and/or rain. "
Don't you mean biodistress? I thought we had agreed to dump the misleading global warming tag. But yes, you're right, it's not about the numbers, not when they don't match your needs. Now it's intensity.
So, are you going to apologise to your leader for making things up? - 9 months ago
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IceKat:
My mistake.
But that doesn't change the fact that 2011 was the worst year for tornado intensity and damage in U.S. history.
2011 has also broken the all-time record for flooding, droughts and wildfires.
You desperate deniers really crack me up.
And by the end of this year you will be shut up! - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
Damn... you got me there!!!
But wait... if 2004 did see a record number of tornadoes, and you tell me the world is getting warmer, why haven't there been more tornadoes since then? Almost seven years without reaching the 2004 record - some correlation!
And, as I stated earlier, were people accurately counting tornadoes in 1634? 1720? 1880? Were your ancestors riding around with their own personal Doppler radar systems strapped to their horse and carts?
Now there are more people around to see (and video) these things, storm chasing has become a great hobby for many so there's bound to be better and more thorough reporting of tornadoes. - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
"And by the end of this year you will be shut up!"
Only if I survive the cold winter we're expecting over here. I hate it when man-made global warming brings me cold winters.
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IceKat:
Be careful what you wish for. If enough ice melts from Greenland's glaciers and Arctic tundra and massive amounts of cold fresh water enters the North Atlantic it could theoretically shut down the Gulf Stream and trigger an ice age.
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coolplanet:
Yes, I had heard that... oh well, looks like my days are numbered. Still, I've been surviving end of the world predictions for decades...
Exactly what do you think I'm wishing for, it isn't me who is wanting to change anything? - 9 months ago
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IceKat:
Wow, i finally think I see where you're coming from.
You confuse global warming science with religious end of the world hysteria.
Global warming has never been about the Earth or humankind ending. It's about our hospitable climate becoming intolerable.
You don't want to change anything because you're scared of change.
You like the status quo and prefer to believe global warming is a liberal doomsday cult.
Very scientific of you, ice. - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
Personally I think that's already slowed it down a bit. And that's the exact positive feedback loop bringing us all of these more extreme rain and snow events. More melting, more evaporation off oceans pushing the hydrologic cycle.
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coolplanet:
Remember the thread I posted regarding Roy Spencer and his faulty science the other day? He is part of the Cornwall Alliance and also from what I have read someone who does not believe in evolution. This is not about science to them. It is about ideology.
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JanforGore:
To illustrate:
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20110906_Figure1_thumb.png
Aug 2011
Arctic sea ice extent averaged for August 2011 reached the second lowest level for the month in the 1979 to 2011 satellite record. - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
Man made global warming is whatever algore says it is, and given how much $$$$ Gore is making he will ride this horse till it drops. Almost every single bit of evidence the Global Warming Alarmists have has been disproven and the people who fabricated it discredited, and still people believe this crap.
Unbelievable.
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coolplanet:
Damage in terms of cost has no relevance. Cost changes with population density.
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DBF_SS:
Cha-ching
Is that all "you people" care about?
Thanks for voting us all down.
Now we know who you are. - 9 months ago
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I am niether shocked nor suprised.
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"The Christmas blizzard last year can also be blamed on global warming, which increases humidity in the atmosphere, creating greater precipitation all year round."
This is an extremely important point that people need to understand.
Last January and February a "blocking high" pressure system moved up the Pacific over the Arctic which pushed cold air south into America, Europe and Asia, producing snow where it usually doesn't snow.
Ignorant deniers jumped all over this, saying "See? It's cooling!"
Meanwhile the Arctic experienced its warmest winter ever recorded. - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
"We seem to be pushing extreme temperatures in both directions,"
Exactly, and this is the point as well of them seizing on the semantics (global warming) and misinforming people in trying to make them think those talking about it were talking about the Earth burning to a crisp with its ashes floating into the cosmos to scare people. It's another great diversion tactic of the denier movement. Get people hooked on the semantics and twist its meaning to divert from the science.
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JanforGore:
While I really like your term for this, "biodistress," perhaps the most accurate discription for global warming/climate change is how scientists describe it: "atmospheric forcing by hydrocarbons."
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coolplanet:
Isn't it terrible when those nasty deniers claim it's cooling just because it snowed more than usual in many places. I mean, you never hear of good, honest people claiming the weather is getting worse just because of some tropical storm, or because some place had a drought this year.
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JanforGore:
I agree Jan. I think we should use the all-encompassing term Climate Change, then no matter what happens we can still blame someone for it.
Even if global temperatures fall below the long-term average, using the term Climate Change still enables us to link this to CO2.
We need to get CO2 concentrations back to what they used to be in the good old days, back in the days when tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and droughts were caused by Mother Nature and not oil companies. - 9 months ago
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IceKat:
How much did the kock brothers pay you today to spread disinformation and vote everyone down, HotDog?
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coolplanet:
I get paid around $100 per comment. Of course I only do it for the money, you don't really think I believe the things I post do you?
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coolplanet:
"Meanwhile the Arctic experienced its warmest winter ever recorded."
Look at this. GHCN data in which all stations or grids north of 65N (i.e. The Arctic) with data extending from before 1930 to after 2000 have been included.
Yet they must have it wrong because it looks to me like it was warmer in 1920... and a whole bunch of other years before 2010. Ok, we can't see 2011's temperatures yet so I expect them to be way off the chart. - 9 months ago
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IceKat:
You see, there you go lying again.
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IceKat:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/science/earth/25cold.html?pagewanted=all
While the Northeast shivers, the Arctic has been freakishly warm
Published: January 24, 2011Judging by the weather, the world seems to have flipped upside down.
For two winters running, an Arctic chill has descended on Europe, burying that continent in snow and ice. Last year in the United States, historic blizzards afflicted the mid-Atlantic region. This winter the Deep South has endured unusual snowstorms and severe cold, and a frigid Northeast is bracing for what could shape into another major snowstorm this week.
Yet while people in Atlanta learn to shovel snow, the weather 2,000 miles to the north has been freakishly warm the past two winters. Throughout northeastern Canada and Greenland, temperatures in December ran as much as 15 to 20 degrees Fahrenheit above normal. Bays and lakes have been slow to freeze; ice fishing, hunting and trade routes have been disrupted.
Iqaluit, the capital of the remote Canadian territory of Nunavut, had to cancel its New Year’s snowmobile parade. David Ell, the deputy mayor, said that people in the region had been looking with envy at snowbound American and European cities. “People are saying, ‘That’s where all our snow is going!’ ” he said.
The immediate cause of the topsy-turvy weather is clear enough. A pattern of atmospheric circulation that tends to keep frigid air penned in the Arctic has weakened during the last two winters, allowing big tongues of cold air to descend far to the south, while masses of warmer air have moved north.
The deeper issue is whether this pattern is linked to the rapid changes that global warming is causing in the Arctic, particularly the drastic loss of sea ice. At least two prominent climate scientists have offered theories suggesting that it is. But others are doubtful, saying the recent events are unexceptional, or that more evidence over a longer period would be needed to establish a link.
Since satellites began tracking it in 1979, the ice on the Arctic Ocean’s surface in the bellwether month of September has declined by more than 30 percent. It is the most striking change in the terrain of the planet in recent decades, and a major question is whether it is starting to have an effect on broad weather patterns.
Ice reflects sunlight, and scientists say the loss of ice is causing the Arctic Ocean to absorb more heat in the summer. A handful of scientists point to that extra heat as a possible culprit in the recent harsh winters in Europe and the United States.More at link
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pWkmTVbqcA
A torrnado crossed the NYS thruway yesterday. This woman got it on her cell phone. She is a little freaked out at the end and to be honest I would have been too. It came out of nowhere.
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JanforGore:
Powerful stuff!
Guess this is the new normal. - 9 months ago
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I agree Coolplanet. We can expect to see videos like this on a weekly basis from now on...
Chart shows last four decades of Global Tropical Storm and Hurricane frequency. Just look at that scary upward slant.
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coolplanet:
The main concern now is preparing areas for these effects that are not used to them. With Congress wanting to cut funds for preparedness and state budgets suffering from drought as well, this leaves many of us in a very precarious and dangerous situation.
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IceKat:
Exactly who is this graph's designer, Dr. Ryan N. Mane, and what denier website is he from.
Provide us a link please. - 9 months ago
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Watched "Watermelons: The Green Movement’s True Colors" James Delingpole
on C-Span 2 today.he put forth 2 premises:
A: Global Warming is not real, we're heading into a cold cycle
B: If Global Warming is real then things will actually be better.
Most of @$$Whole's information came from Heartland Institute which is a wholly owned Koch Think Tank of Deniers.
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Milieu:
They're an embarassing lot aren't they?
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