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What did Israel know in advance of the 9/11 attacks?

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Never forget who was so happy that they were celebrating the 9/11 terror bombing:

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)

What if it were Palestinians who were caught working for a fake moving company/intelligence front and were caught filming, cheering and hi-fiving of the towers collapsed?

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On the afternoon of September 11, 2001, an FBI bulletin known as a BOLO ­- "be on lookout" — was issued with regard to three suspicious men who that morning were seen leaving the New Jersey waterfront minutes after the first plane hit World Trade Center 1. Law enforcement officers across the New York-New Jersey area were warned in the radio dispatch to watch for a "vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack":

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.

At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan Kurzberg, refused and "was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag".

With guns drawn, the police then "physically removed" Kurzberg, while four other men ­- two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning ­- were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights.

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy here in Washington issued a denial saying that any suggestion that Israelis are spying in or on the U.S. is "simply not true." There are other things to consider. And in the days ahead, we'll take a look at the U.S. phone system and law enforcement's methods for wiretaps. And an investigation that both have been compromised by our friends overseas.

Carl Cameron Investigates Part 1 - Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?

HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9-11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CAMERON: It's very explosive information, obviously, and there's a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected — none of it necessarily conclusive. It's more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have know? Almost a direct quote.
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103 comments // What did Israel know in advance of the 9/11 attacks?

  • KurtLewin
  • KurtLewin
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  
    • But here's my favorite....., knowing that we were all duped....

      Note I didn't insult anyone here, nor was impressed by the primary school replies.... No amount of ridicule will hide the fact that the official stories don't ad up, and no one who has a mind willing to think for itself will take ridicule like that as a good alternative to lack of a competing argument....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwOCu1phcNQ

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Anonmaly:

      of course shit dont add up.it isnt a question so much about that, but the grand assumptions made by the virtue that shit doesnt add up.especialy when it targets people based on who they are not what they have done

    • 9 months ago
  • Anonmaly
  • maasanova
  • freecrack
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  
    • Let's see tower 7 announced fallen 20 minutes early, 45 degree angles cut into the I-beams (not typical salvage cuts, and certainly not the effect of a building collapse)....

      Actually there are quite a few legitimate facts that call the official story into question....

      (Yes planes did certainly appear to strike the towers, everyone saw that, just saying the official story doesn't add up)

      In fact quite a few educated people have poked all kinds of holes in the official story....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

      Such as 1,600 Architects and Engineers.....
      (what we handed out that many fake degrees, or just degrees to insane people?)

    • 9 months ago
  • wynnmeg61
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      wynnmeg61  
    • This Baloney Post explains soooooooooooo much. This theory nest so nicely with fans of the John Birch Society, I finally understand.

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
  • alexandrek
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • alexandrek:

      i mean it aint like we had, or even now have reliable intel networks through out the middle east.

      our fat ass cia show up to field work in the middle east wearing black suits and ties, like they are gunna find shit out when jihadi joe can see him coming a mile away.god forbid our intel agents learn arabic.

      we are so self centered, even if we went through all the effort of having legit covert ops, we still are blissfully ignorant of the culture.we wouldnt infiltrate shit.our racist ass's would be scoping out every burka with no criteria for who the bad guy is.

      all our hard intel comes from israel and jordan.the saudis are a third party fact check like the brits and the french.just without the balls to do it publicaly.otherwise we are just looking at desert through satalites.wich is great if you want to see where the guy who blew us up was last week.but no so much with the knowing he is gunna do some shit.

      did israel know al-queda was going to attack?of course.they created the intel.not israels fault we didnt read it.

      this reasoning "israel did it cuz they knew" is like how ya know freaked out christians are gunna treat scientists if global warming starts to really collapse human existance."you damn scientists are doing this to us, cuz you knew it all along you bastards who didnt stop it".

      always room for a good witch hunt

    • 9 months ago
  • KurtLewin
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Seems like someone was going out of their way to convince us that ARABS did 9/11.

      There was a collective group effort on the day of 9/11that was trying VERY hard to convince us that ALL Arabs were involved in the attacks, long before they allegedly "found" Korans and passports in the rubble.

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_tapes.html

      Dispatcher: Jersey City police.

      Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, THEY LOOK LIKE PALESTINIANS and going around a building.

      Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk AND HE HAS THOSE SHEIKH UNIFORM.

      Dispatcher: He has what?

      Caller: HE'S DRESSED LIKE AN ARAB. (8)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFxcX5XrT2E

    • 9 months ago
  • SandyBerman
  • maasanova
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      yes.some one is working very hard.the even went so far as to send arabs to a flight school, and train them to fly planes,and then had them board the planes that crashed into the towers.those poor arabs who were nothing more than big fans of flight being blamed for this.and to think how horrible it must be for the usual arab diplomacy they are famous for to be tarnished with this one unique instance of terrorism.

      looks like some one is just working real hard at creating an alternative reality.

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
    • +2
      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      it would probably be for the same reasons everyone else has come to the same conclusion.unless all the current members who see you as an antisemite are all in a giant cover up.
      ooo am i in on it?

    • 9 months ago
  • alexandrek
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • alexandrek:

      Thanks for your honesty alexandrek.

      There's really no rational reason to feel compelled to feed into tribalism when it comes to 9/11. It was a massive crime, and no one should have to feel the need to identify with the people whom the FBI, the Justice Department are trying desperately cover-up, just because they may have some vague cultural association or don't want to be politically incorrect..

      Think about it this way: I myself being half black, would have no problem outing say, Nigerian spies had they been arrested on 9/11 working for a Nigerian intelligence moving front company, cheering the collapse of the towers and trying to blame the attacks on their political enemies.

    • 9 months ago
  • Littlewolf
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • alexandrek
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • alexandrek:

      what group?

      is israel in too many ugly stories?
      or are the antisemites drumming up a rediculous amount of ugly stories.

      ive never pretended israel is innocent.but they do a lot less damage than the majority of the worlds other governments, who arent even at war with anyone.

      im just saying, is israel part of the modern world of military industrial complex's, yes.and as such are a corrupt system geared towards war.but with that beinf said, they have a very very active and willing enemy.

      while the united states(and the brits) do worse in every regard israel does and dont have a declared enemy they must kill to survive.china,north korea,and most of africa are exploiting humanity to far greater degrees than israel ever could.
      not to mention the shooting gallery that the middle east is.how many killed in the middle east this year for simply asking for freedom, compared to those killed by israel in an actual war?

      israel has her flaws, but is hardly in the catagory of the bad guys.israel isnt hurting our names.she is woring her ass off so that those who do wont prevent her from offering us a home the next time the maasanova types are viewed as legit.

    • 9 months ago
  • letsliveinpeace
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • letsliveinpeace:

      No problem. It's just too bad that there is such a contigency here at Current who are more concerned with name-calling and a total disregard for FACTS. There's going to be more Israel 9/11 posts coming up over the next few days.

    • 9 months ago
  • SandyBerman
  • freecrack
    • +1
      freecrack  
    • SandyBerman:

      the facts as he sees them, wich is his opinions.and all other information is the conjecture of others.

      like how the jews control the banks, and then how the jews did 9-11, but cant seem to explain how it is that then the jews attacked the jews.antisemitism collapsing in on itself makes you have to be very picky about what you allow into reality.ya cant very well allow all of it cuz then the hate speech falls apart

    • 9 months ago
  • joeredford
  • SandyBerman
    • SandyBerman  
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  • ACSUS
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      ACSUS  
    • SandyBerman:

      Wow, Sandy, I didn't know that. And you know, since it is on the internet it has to be factual and the honest to GOD truth.
      I'd bet money that redjujube believes every word of it and will retweet it to his one friend.

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
  • coolplanet
  • maasanova
  • Littlewolf
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
    • +2
      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      so the israelis are the only source of footage caught that day?
      that is a new twist, cuz i was pretty sure hundreds of people captured footage, so does that mean that they all represent a pan-american conspiracy as a result too?

      nah cuz they aint jewish.wich is the basis for blame first and fore most.

      let me ask ya.if you did some shit and didnt want to get nailed for it, would you publicaly display your involvement?does the guy who robs the bank, then take of his mask and ask to see the manager about starting an ira with his new money?

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      wow that is amazing.i mean anyone close enough was running away as clouds billowed through the streets causing lungs to collapse, and these israelis are just so superhuman they were able to keep standing close enough to the smouldering ruins and casualy flick refuse into them.

      do you think duke nuke'em is real too?

      is 9/11 anniversary like a holy holiday for ya.do you get a hate speech chubby.like time to dust off all the stuff you have been working on all year?

    • 9 months ago
  • nikonwilly
  • maasanova
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • maasanova:

      Well if it's ok with you and he has yet to do it May i do so?? well here it goes now it's my first time so don't get mad if I screw it up. Your A anti-semite LOL. :) UUm whats a anti-semite ??

    • 9 months ago
  • freehit
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      freehit  
    • maasanova:

      sorry my computer was down. P.S. I seem to recall all your arab buddies on T.V. dancing in the streets and handing out candy to kids like it was one big party. Oh, it was out of context? So what were they celebrating, blowing up a nursery school or setting off a bomb on a crowed bus, perhaps pushing someone in a wheel chair off the edge of a cruise liner, I know maybe they were celebrating the slaughter of some athletes. There does that help? Feel better? Shalom y'all.

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • freehit:

      No it doesn't help because "my Arab buddies" weren't arrested in the New York area survelling the collapse of the towers while working for a fake moving company whose owner fled the US as law enforcement officials were closing in.

      But shalom. All Good now? Good.

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      it is kind of how that goes.
      the guys who calls blacks niggers gets i call a racist.
      and the guy who sells antisemtism i call an antisemite.

      their is a very easy way to avoid it how ever.........

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      so now israel is has both the abillity to pull off 9-11, but not the wisdom to cover their tracks?
      when israel assassinated the hamas guy in dubai, it was allied nations who were pissed at israel for what again?

      so they are proficient when you need the narrative to be, and they arent when it needs to suite that narrative.

    • 9 months ago
  • Littlewolf
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  
    • O for christ sake, the British government, the French government, the German government, the Israeli government and several other governments tried to warn U.S. about bin Laden's intentions.
      In August 2001 CIA agent Clarke handed W a memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In America" outlining intelligence that they planned to hijack planes and target buildings in NYC and DC.
      W handed it back to Clarke telling him "Don't ever show me anything like this again!" and went fishing.
      The Bush administration LET 9/11 HAPPEN to justify going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

    • 9 months ago
  • Littlewolf
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      Littlewolf  
    • coolplanet:

      Ron Suskind's book, The Price of Loyalty, outlines how Paul O'Neil was horrified to learn that Bush & Cheney had plans to depose Saddam and invade Iraq BEFORE THE INAUGURATION! O'Neill was "outed" as not being a true loyalist to Bush (rather than the Constitution) and so he was fired in 2002. Lots of official documents in the book with explanations and follow-ups.

      Undeniable that they didn't just "let" it happen - or was it just coincidence that the military was given orders for a drill on 9-11 where the World Trade towers were under attack from hijacked aircraft? That's why they kept asking, "Is this a drill or for real?"

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • coolplanet:

      Obviously coolplanet, the issue is that the Bergen police didn't catch the British or the French, or the German or the Muslims with film cameras set up to film themselves while they were cheering, hi-fiving and celebrating the collapse of the towers.

      We did catch a group of happy Israelis though filming the towers while they were cheering, hi-fiving and celebrating the collapse of the towers.

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  
    • Littlewolf:

      I vaguely remember that military drill on 9/11.
      Wasn't their pathetic excuse for taking SO LONG to respond because jetfighters were conducting a drill somewhere like Alaska?
      EVIL BASTARDS

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • coolplanet:

      There's no anti-semitism, only facts here, and if you think that the facts are anti-semitic, then oh well...

      Anti-semitism is just a buzzword that is used when someone doesn't want to discuss uncomfortable facts about a group of people they think are above criticism.

      You can read the Bergen police department document of the arrest, but the FBI has classified the pictures because they said that the images of Israelis celebrating the attacks would cause a spread of anti-semitism, believe it or not.

      If you can wait until 2038, we might be able to see the photos if the FBI no longer considers anti-semitism to be a threat.

      In the meantime you can watch a video of the Israelis protesting their innocence of being involved in the 9/11 terror bombing. They don't however, dispute the fact that they were working for a front company or were indeed cheering the collapse of the attacks.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeD9XPn_lg4

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
    • +5
      coolplanet  
    • maasanova:

      Sorry but this story reminds me of the conspiracy "theory" claiming that no Jews were in the World Trade Towers on 9/11. Hundreds of Jews took the day off?
      If that were true the place would have been practically EMPTY. :-D
      It's propaganda.

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
    • -5
      maasanova  
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    • coolplanet:

      Here's the Bergen Police report of the arrest of the Israelis. Filming, cheering laughing at Americans dying horrible deaths.

      Just Bergen Record police department propaganda...

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/46173840/Police-Report

      The funny thing is that the 4000 Jews figure apparently came from an article entitled “Hundreds of Israelis missing in WTC attack” which appeared in the September 12th internet edition of the Jerusalem Post.

      It stated, “The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attacks.”

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
  • coolplanet
  • Nick19
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      Nick19  
    • coolplanet:

      Well it was both that the Bush Administration was incompetent and the defense system in place was outdated as many Cold War elements remained. Thats why when alert came in about the hijacking, many in the military thought it was a Russia attack.

    • 9 months ago
  • Nick19
  • Nick19
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      Nick19  
    • maasanova:

      Nope. This is fucking anti-semitism. Sorry if I'm cursing but seriously, if 5 white christians were dancing outside during the attack, were they involved? Really, this proves nothing. Wow, I seriously can't believe you're attempting to pass this off as legit. David Duke would be so proud if more people believed this garbage.

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Nick19:

      Well we were showed dancing Palestinans in Israel over and over and the idea was to equate all Arabs to 9/11 which is racist, and I've never heard anyone complain about that.

      See, the media can show us celebrating Palestinians (even though this video was taken out of context), knowing that it is going to foment hate for Arabs and no one cried about anti-semtism then and the are they real semites!

      But we aren't allowed to see the pictures and videos of happy Israelis estatic over the collapse of the twin towers.

      Why is that?

      And I didn't call them Jews (even though that's what they are) I called them Israelis. Coolplanet brought up Jews and anti-semitism as a distraction from the real issue.

      Cry and curse all you want but facts are facts. Israelis were arrested on 9/11, they failed poligraph tests, lied about working for an intelligence front etc, etc.

      The were cheering, filming laughing caught working for an Israeli intelligence front, and they thought Americans dying horrible deaths was just fantastic.

      If we'd have caught Palestinians working for an intelligence front and cheering the deaths of Americans, it would have been a part of the official 9/11 narrative.

      Look at Sharon in this picture. He looks like he's going to pee his pants he's so happy!

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
  • Nick19
    • +5
      Nick19  
    • maasanova:

      Ok, so the mainstream media attempted to show dancing Palestinians as being equated with 9/11 and therefore those of the "alternative news" hence, needed to find some Israelis to blame for 9/11. But you never answered my question, If they were Christians dancing and singing or Muslims doing the same thing, would you suspect them of being part of the attacks? This is still anti-semetic in my opinion since you see who you assume are of Israel/Jewish background dancing and singing so suddenly decide to call the police.

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Nick19:

      She thought the Israelis WERE Arabs, and so did the other people who called the police on the Israelis. There's another recorded police phone call that you can find where one man reports on suspicous men who he claims were Palestinians, with no actual proof of course because they all turned out to be Israelis.

      What I would have said if the people celebrating were this or that doesn't matter because it didn't happen. It's neither here nor there, a moot point and a distraction from the issue at hand.

      The fact that this part of 9/11 has been classified by the FBI until 2038 is a huge red flag and a sure sign of a cover-up.

    • 9 months ago
  • Littlewolf
  • Littlewolf
  • Littlewolf
  • Littlewolf
  • coolplanet
    • +2
      coolplanet  
    • Nick19:

      Langley Air Force base was standing ready to deploy jetfighters but it took Cheney an hour to scramble them after the first strike on WTC tower one.
      It is obvious. They let 9/11 happen to fulfill their neocon wetdreams.

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
  • Nick19
    • +1
      Nick19  
    • Littlewolf:

      I believe it was NORAD command center or some other center of alert where they were entirely confused by the situation since many of the protocols were focused on being attacked by a Nation-State and not by some small group of hijackers. As a result, they mistaken the attacks as an attack by Russian forces. Again, Cold War commands remained in place at the time. Even documentaries like Fahrenheit 9/11 mention this.

    • 9 months ago
  • Nick19
    • +1
      Nick19  
    • coolplanet:

      To be honest, I think it was just incompetence of government officials at all levels and not exactly deliberate. The 9/11 attack was of course taken advantage of in it's aftermath in extremely negative ways including invading Iraq and establishing domestic programs that gave the US government a greater ability to spy on citizens.

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
  • maasanova
    • -2
      maasanova  
    • Littlewolf:

      This is what people use to distract from the fact that they can't debate the issue of the FBI covering up Israeli involvement in 9/11, when is both circumstancial and conclusive.

    • 9 months ago
  • coolplanet
    • +1
      coolplanet  
    • Nick19:

      In 1999 the Neocons held a meeting, attended by Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, in which they laid out their agenda. The top priorities were: go into Afghanistan to oust the Taliban who were preventing a oil pipeline across their country, and oust Saddam for unclear reasons, followed by the curious statement: "But the American public would not go along with this unless there was a Pearl Harbor-like event."
      Hence 9/11.

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
    • +1
      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      so the muslims did it then.cuz they were cheering.
      oh shit hulk hogan didnt actualy body slam andre the giant despite us all seeing it, cuz it was the crowd who reacted.s theyust have done it.

      hey am i suspect in micheal jacksons murder too?cuz i was pretty damn happy to hear his ass died

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
    • +1
      freecrack  
    • coolplanet:

      well ya cant get any traction just out right saying jewish.ya have to use the israeli government to stoke the image of judaism before you get right into the protocals of zion stuff

      thats how good propaganda works

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
    • +2
      freecrack  
    • coolplanet:

      based on the testimony of one random old lady looking through binnoculars.its like 12 angry men was never written.
      just remember it is documented proof of actual events as they occured,cuz that is what one old lady said.in an apartment building full of people who according to this theory missed what was going on.i mean i was out on long island and couldnt escape it, but apparently none of the other people in the building were compelled to look out their windows to see this event.

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      the media showed us global reaction to the wtc center attacks, and as a business not a public service they showed what was interesting not informative.showing he french,australians,germans,and yes THE ISRAELIS crying surely isnt going to grab viewers as much as anyone rejoicing at our tragedy.wich happened to be the palestinians.you want to be mad at some one for showing it, but not at the rejoicing huh?

      and you claim to be so concerned with those who hate us and take delight in our suffering?hhmm.

      nice "they are real semites" dig.ya got demonaztion going, and you are now multitasking with delegitimization too.just start in with some disproportionalism and you will have hit the holy trinity of how one attacks israel to attack the jews.

      you are allowed to see the pics and videos of what ever you like.im sorry the evidence you crave to support you theory doesnt exist, but that is the rough thing about reality.ya cant just make it so.i mean you got all these "documents" that are irrefunable truth and proof right?so what is being withheld?

      so cool planet,sandy berman,and a handfull of others on this page as well as myself brought up the fact that this is antiselitic tripe to distract from the real issue?does that mean as you grow older and crazier, and will eventualy receed into your own mania, will you actualy believe that only you are right, and every single other person on the planet is against you for not sharing your view?really?how many accusations from how many people do you require before ya start to notice a trend?

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      god forbid some one takes something out of context.i mean that is your shtick, who are they to do it.

      remember netenyahu said 9/11 was good for israel.

      out of context is your game.how dare anyone else sell a narrative this way, when it is clearly your deal

    • 9 months ago
  • freecrack
  • maasanova
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      care to offer evidence of this or just leave it as the personal conjecture that it is?
      i mean on this page alone their are at least a half dozen nods to your rampant antisemitism.and by israeli detractors no less.

      feel free to cut and paste all those people who acknowledge how i just yell antisemite all the time.please show me.

      what facts have i denied btw?

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • maasanova:

      israeli involvement in 9/11 isnt a fact.is that the problem you are having?differenciating fact from your theories?
      i deny israeli involvement in 9/11 just as i deny chinese or indian involvement in 9/11.or any other people, or martians one pulls from the recesses of ones mind.

      yes, the list of antisemites does go on.i dont understand why you would be proud of such a thing, but to each their own.the first step is admitting the problem.

    • 9 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • freecrack:

      Actually, I don't have a problem. It's you that has the problem with what is being said about Israel and 9/11.

      And that's why you have to call people names, but calling me names doesn't make something that I've said to be untrue.

      As soon one starts name calling they've already lost the argument.

      Your problem is that you can't refute the fact that Israel was involved in the attacks, at the very least running an espionage operation prior to and during the attacks.

      This is provable because some of the Israelis were living next door to the alleged highj ackers, and they were said to have been "monitoring them."

      The FBI has classified much of the evidence of Israeli involvement due to pressure from the ADL and other Jewish individuals and pressure groups.

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      yes.you bet your ass i have a problem with what you say in regards to israel and 9/11.not only is it counter productive as more evidence supports alternate explanations far more accurately than placing israel as the cause.but it is classic hate speech trying to demonize via association.to attack those who you dont have any legitimate material upon wich to rightfully attack.
      that is the problem i have.
      the problem you have is what ever it is that inspires you to focus disproportionately on israel, as it makes no sense.even in the face of material that makes no sense.

      i dont have to call anyone names, but im sure not going to extend the polite courtasy to some one who doesnt extend it to others,proactively.im sorry if you take offense to being called an antisemite, but the name is an accurate means of catagorizing you and your efforts.people who actualy are offended by such things take care to make sure they dont run a foul of it.while you do everything you can to earn it.if you cant take the legitimate responses earned by the shit you say, you really shouldnt say them.other wise stand by your deal.

      what makes what you say untrue is the evidence offered.it has nothing to do with any name calling.unless you live in a world where that is how things go?

      if one starts name calling, and the name used accurately contains the other persons position, then that person has won.other wise you wouldnt be responding would you?

      NO ONE CAN REFUTE ANY CLADESTINE AGENCIES INVOLVEMENT, CUZ THAT IS THE NATURE OF WHAT THEY DO.i also cant deny that the chinese werent involved.nor can i deny that martians from mars were involved.all do to a lack of credible information.cuz NORMAL people when an information gap exists.that is called prejudice.ya know how fox did with the norway attack.

      want to see me refute israeli involvement in the attack?
      israel gets how much money from us again?how influencial are we to israel's present situation?(mubarek/jordan/iran).9/11 literaly only served israel in these regards, wich are related to their ultimate (not daily) survival.that reality trumps all the other rediculous bullshit you play with.our financial turmoil, is their security lapse, is the arab worlds opportunity to do that wich they have been trying day in day out for 64 yrs.

      the fbi doesnt say shit about what it does and why it does anything unless it has a play you fool.what the hell do you think they do?the fbi isnt moved by the adl or any jewish group.once again it isnt a matter of name calling.it is a matter of accurately classifying a narrative, wich in this case is antisemitic.not only by evoking the classic nazis-esk jewish manipulation charge, but doing so in a way that paints all jews as part of it in not specifying the group.just the broad blanket statements like "jewish groups".so that way aipac is just as potentialy bad as nfty (national federation of temple youth" or hadasah.cuz the majon playing old biddies of hadasah should really be held accountable for what the fbi does or does not do.get it yet?or do you want to go another ten rounds of me explaining that wich you already know?(and remember, the next stage of delegitimizing as calling my offering a wall of text spam, thus ignoring all the points made)

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      now i adressed in its entirety the comment you made in regards to my assessment of your efforts.adressed it line by line, point by point, so no room exists to say im ducking anything, or evading any issues.

      so now back to the conversation at hand, wich you swerved from.

      you say i cant argue the facts, then i say what you consider facts to not actualy be facts, and you didnt offer any of the "facts" that show israeli involvement in 9/11.you just went on a name calling tangent with fortune cookie platitudes.

      care to continue the established line of discussion or do you wish to follow the devolving personal attack line?id choose the latter if i were you too.

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      So you admit to having a problem. Good!

      This is the first step in your recovery freecrack you should be proud of yourself.

      Now the next step in your road to self help is to acknowledge that Israelis WERE involved, as noted by the FBI, who had to classify the information regarding Israeli involvement due to pressure from Jewish individuals and Jewish pressure groups like the ADL.

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      i am proud of myself.mostly for not being deluded.i have never claimed to have no problem with baseless accusations towards israel.im pretty overt in this regard.im sorry this is news to you.

      yeah,the fbi has classified files on me and you too.it doesnt mean shit.unless you choose to make it mean something by filling in the blanks (caused by info being classified) with what you want it to be.as opposed to what it is.

      im good.good luck to you on learning the difference between facts and your personal wish's

      yeah, the adl.what a jewish pressure group lol.just when ya cant think its gunna get sillier

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