Pastor Forces Rape Victim To Apologize To Church

There is no part of him that is Christian. He has no comprehension of what the words mean, or the spirit of the bible. He never heard of the words compassion, forgiveness, nor understanding. Unfortunately this girl felt she had no choice but to apologize. She is no different than any other cult member, pressure from the cult and her parents, made her apologize for something she should never have to.

And why has Nancy Grace made no mention of this???

Very Cool, Thanks Bill... =)

sorry but I can't tolerate the nausea I experience when I watch that woman, so I don't know!

Nancy Grace is a nutcase.

To me it isn't about gender, AJ, it's really about religion. If you'll notice, all three so-called religions of the 'book', (and coincidentally the three major religions of the world) demand the subservience of women, even to the point of demonizing the true first woman, Lillith, and replacing her with Eve, who falls prey to the same "sin" of wanting knowledge [power]. The pastor seems singularly unfazed by the fact that a married man has committed adultery with a teenager, whether by force or pursuasion. SHE alone must apologize. I don't know why you think anyone is picking on men, but I would urge to to read about the (mis-)treatment of women in religious organizations. This is just one more example.

Believe me I know what it means to get angry, to go off half-cocked, to go into a rant, to want to do something ANYTHING to stop the craziness out there.... I don't mean to say that I am a saint or an example of tranquility and perfect compassion at all times... far from it. I am a very flawed human, hoping that the species is not fatally flawed, just blindly stumbling about in the dark trying to do the next right thing.

Like the song says "Christ you know it aint easy... You know how hard it can be?... The way things are going... They're gonna crucify me..." (J.Lennon)

You...are farther from imperfection and closer to perfection that you will admit!

That's what makes you a real, live human being!

The greatest compliment one could ever bestow upon another!

And I gladly, without hesitation, place that title upon you!

I've read your comments and I think you are a very misunderstood person.

People misunderstand that you are a kind, humble, thoughtful and respectful person.

And I better cut it short before someone gets the wrong idea...which happens here far too frequently!

Thank you for your kind words but don't get carried away... ;-) and right back at ya.

High AJ, I was just wondering what your take, and others, on the statements made to children, " Snips and snails and puppy dog tails, that's what little boys are made of, Sugar and spice and everything nice that's what little girls are made of."......

Very good! +^d

Those Dixie Chicks, the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to empowered "womanhood"!

I love 'em dearly!

They're one of the few that stood up against the Bush Administration and his senseless wars and paid a heavy price for it, too!

I actually never heard anything that the Dixie Chicks did, except that I knew I liked them because republicans were burning their CDS. Cool song and video.

Yeah, they are good! Did you check out the other video I posted here?

BOTH are ding, dang, dong good!

LOL

YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

}8^D

I will. But I don't know how they can top a song about murdering a wife beater.

Yes I love 'em too - even before they were attacked for "insulting" the appointed one - they are wonderful & make me proud!

I agree - it's a tough act to follow -

Oh my god... that movie and that other one where Farrah Fawcett turns the tables on a home-invading rapist and would-be murderer are crazy! I think that one ends with her making him eat a can of RAID bug spray and tying him up in an unused fireplace! He picked the wrong model to mess with!

You're technically incorrect. Women are NOT "stronger" than men. The example that you use, would define women as being "tougher" or more "reliient" than men, but certainly does not mean that they are "stronger". If women were "stronger" and/or "more resilient" than men, then a average female boxer should be able to beat an average male boxer. We know this isn't the case, so you're clearly incorrect.

This has nothing to do with men versus women being better or worse than one or the other. It has to do with religions being wrong a lot of the time.

You confuse physical strength with mental strength and service to creation . Man are for more vulnerable to the lure of war/violence , non life affirming ideals . Females have more empathy , better communication skill and emotional perception - they support and create LIFE . There are exceptions , and this is a gross generalization , but , right now it is a mans world . Try to imagine if it were different .

So, are you implying that women AREN'T equal to men?

And what does, "service to creation", mean?

I would like to here your understanding of this statement.

"Females have more empathy , better communication skill and emotional perception"

Are you saying that I am not capable of empathy" Do I not communiate well enough for you to comprehend my thoughts I "place" upon this medium of internet ink and intertube paper?

That's a sexist remark in and of itself!

"Try to imagine if it were different ."

I have no idea where you reside, but in my world all the women I associate with are strong, independent, intelligent and confident.

I respect them and JUST as important, they respect moi!

I feel sad for where you are, if you do not experience what I do on a daily basis.

For where I Iive, I don't have to TRY to imagine it differently. It's my reality!

You are right. The Dixie Chicks are great. I am more of a metal fan so I have never paid much attention to country. Deep stuff.

One never knows....you just might surprize yourself and start "jamming" to a few more, too!

LOL

Thank you, Bill. I've been 'reading you' for a while and I knew there was a reason I liked what you wrote. You get it.

You have NO IDEA what that means to me!

}8^)

All I can say for sure right now is that THAT woman above is definitely stronger than ME!!

And someone on the Right Wing is saying they want to shoot you right now, or shoot someone else they disagree with. You are better than that, I am betting, let's leave the guns and ammo fantasies to the loons...

Indeed , the lack of empathy finds refuge there , but is not limited to it .

No, actually I'm not better than that. Few things give me as much pleasure as imagining bathing in the blood of my enemy. The only thing spoiling that fantasy is the fact that I'm almost positive that in real life, it would make me vomit.
But fantasies often have little to do with reality.

If it makes you feel any better, there are very few people in the world who would give me great pleasure by splattering.

No!!!

Supposing I slap him around a bit too?

Sure, Have at it!!! =)

Then I bring in the Viagra-fed horse...

Nice idea, that way he can apologize to the horse as well.

LOL!!! =)

I think that horse will deserve a most heart-felt apology when he's done.

Can I go too? If justice is to be served then it needs a witness to ensure it was meted out judiciously.

Sure, the pastor has plenty of apologies for all takers!!! :-D

A War criminal saved by heart valves, go figure... Sorry to confuse, I was just weighing the two... Cheney and Jeffs...

Well, if he was starving himself to death, making him live is probably a better punishment. People who rape children don't survive long in prison. Their only real shot is to spend all that time in the hospital wing.

So now we think that prison rape is a good thing? Did you support torturing terror suspects too? I am not saying to give pedophiles a cookie and a hug, but many of them were abused as children themselves, and NONE of them is rehabilitated by repeated forced sodomy by other inmates. In fact by condoning prison rape we INCREASE the recidivism rates for sex-offenders AND we teach someone locked-up for dope to become a prison rapist (but they will just stop raping cold turkey when they get out, right? PLEASE...) WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. Even when we are just shooting the sh1t on the interwebs.

Cheney screwed a lot more people.

This is the site: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-31/justice/texas.jeffs.hospitalized_1_warren-jef...:CRIME

The thing is, he gave up ALL of his rights when he started trafficking in little girls and boys; in that case, the doctors have to respond according to their oath - right or wrong.
I hope he lives. He deserves whatever is in his path along his journey. He created it himself.

He does not get to choose what happens to him not . He needs to be researched , to find out WHAT WENT WRONG . And to perhaps prevent it happening again .

They've been shipping girls down to Jeff's compound for years and everybody know that, including the AG, the RCMP & Crown Counsel - they continue to investigate, then drop the investigation - wonder whose paying them off. It's a crying shame that the AG's Ministry keeps letting this one pass - there are books written about Bountiful and its goings-on. I think it's pretty cut and dried, what's happening there. One of the leader is a Jeff's follower, one SAYS he is not. So one of them is lying, cuz they're both doing the deeds.

I didn't say it was a good thing (though I'm finding it to be excessively hard to think it's a bad thing), I said it was a better punishment. Punishments (from my understanding) are SUPPOSED to be unpleasent.

Sure, I believe you. Incarceration has NOTHING to do with punishment. I'M SAVED!!
*cough*

I'm just curious why did you choose to pick on me when I didn't say a thing about prison rape. Why don't you go confront ThirdSection and Buckeye_Bill who implied they'd be willing to rape the man to teach him a lesson; or KB723 and EdJoy who think the idea is funny? The "viagra fed horse" comment didn't bother you as much as the making him live because it's a "better punishment " comment did?
What kind of "logic" is that?
Or did you just single me out due to some mistaken belief that I was a bigger threat or an easier target? After all, there's just one of me, and I'm obivously female (and therefore wrongly demanding for him to suffer out of spite) whereas there are 4 of them, and their genders aren't obvious (so you can't stereotype or "shout them down").
Serioulsy dude. What the fuck are you thinking?

I'm female and I stand by you and any comments about viagra enhanced horse cocks for use in raping rapists. Anyone have a problem with that?

In theory, I have no problem with it. In practice... Undecided... It sounds better when I think of how I wouldn't have to participate in the cleanup. I'm all for "turn about is fair play" even when I know it won't fix much, except in this case it might make things worse: with a punishment like that, what's to stop rapists from murdering their victims to make sure they can't testify? However, it's an incredibly fun thought to crush certain people completely and with their own tactics.
By the way, I'm not trying to put any of you guys in the line of fire, I enjoyed reading the exchange (made me giggle), I'm just wondering why I was being singled out for something I didn't even say. It's pissing me off.
P.S. +^'d

Cleanup? Deal's off. No more viagra for Trigger until we can find a jizz mopper that will work cheap.

Not worried about line of fire. Just showing my support. :)

I certainly did not mean to "pick on you" or to put words in your mouth that were in someone else's. If I did that I am sorry. I thought we were just having a discussion, and if you felt attacked or singled out, I am sorry for not communicating my intentions. I certainly did not think of you as a "threat" or a "target" nor was my intention to make ANYONE feel bad. I have locked horns verbally with the other folks you mention, and I know for a fact that at least one has told me that they are female. What I was thinking was that all the people who were posting about this issue shared an outrage about the story that I also feel. I also believe in non-violent protest being the single greatest force for good in the history of humankind. I have posted violent thoughts about polluters, animal abusers, human abusers, etc... I also usually feel bad about it afterwards, and it never has gotten me or any movement I cared about anywhere to resort to that kind of words. You don't have to agree with that, (although you may agree for all I know) and I certainly never meant it to sound as if YOU were the problem or that YOU did or said anything particularly bad. It just seemed that in the time that I had to post before work, you and a few others I spoke to were the ones who were there... then I left for a nine hour day after apparently dumping a mess on you. Reading back, I realize that I seemed to be targeting you, when in fact I was responding to stuff from about ten different posts. Sorry for that.

Now that I can agree with. I'd like to see some rehabilitation thrown in as well but I know for a fact that shrinks are the first to suffer from budget cuts because (in the USA at least) incarceration is about punishment and no one cares about convicts. It's a damn shame. Who knows how many good lives were lost this way.

Well, that one sounds like an apology I can accept.

I meant it. :-) Sometimes I get emotional about an issue and stuff just comes out wrong... mostly online.

It doesn't help that there are judges who partially own prisions and that there's little profit from preventative medicine since the best (and in most cases only) options for preventing disease is eating/sleeping well and getting plenty of excersize. Herbal medicine has also been proven to be great for preventative care and for treatment of chronic illnesses, though the FDA's definition of a "cure" is worded in such a way that you can only call manmade compounds a cure. Saying "Oranges can cure scurvy" is illegal, even though it's 100% true.
Though I don't understand why insurance companies aren't focusing more on preventative medicine. You'd think that they wouldn't want to pay for expensive treatments when a personal trainer or a nutritionist is a hell of a lot cheaper.
I don't know why you were downvoted, but I'm guessing it's because the truth hurts.
+^'d

There is a desperate need for a sarcasm font (maybe we could just use "comic sans" for that), and a skeptical font, and a I-can-hardly-type-because-I'm-laughing-too-hard-font... Among other things.

IT'S MR.ED!!!!
Yes Mr.Ed. You are indeed the Stallion.
*strokes*

Well said... and on the downvote for David and some folks hating the truth,
I am reminded of the old Harry Truman story about a supporter calling out to him at a speech about his Republican opponents' policies:
"Give 'em Hell Harry!"
and Harry Truman replied: "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."
Someone voted down your post that was nothing more than you saying you accepted the apology... (I guess it is plausible that they were saying "No don't accept! He's staggering! Go in for the KILL!! ) lol ;-)

Too true, too true... I especially could use those fonts.

I have a lot of unfriendly followers, and I bet the same is true for a lot of people. They vote down everything regardless of how decent I'm being at any given moment.

I have the same problem. Want to share notes via private message or e-mail to single out the worst of them?

The problem with some people is that they cannot distinguish sarcasm from skepticism from BS.

Much Better Indeed artemis6... =)

Sympathy might be a better "treatment" than emapthy. After all, just because you understand what a person is experiencing internally, it doesn't mean you give a damn.

well said!

Empathy IS the ability to not only UNDERSTAND but to FEEL what they feel. You cannot have empathy for someone if you don't give a damn. Once you reach the point of empathy you DO care... or you never experienced empathy to begin with. You just experienced a rational and factual comprehension of a condition, empathy involves the added emotional spark of FEELING what they feel. Doesn't mean that you ACT any different... you can still be a jerk to someone you empathize with, but it requires a lack of conscience or the ability to put your own wants above the other even when you know it is immoral or selfish. Sympathy as "treatment" is actually very condescending and most offenders of low-average intelligence and/intuition can smell the sympathy of the detached do-gooder a mile away. It is a slap in the face, of sorts, like saying: "I know you are a wretch but the fact that I am so great and good makes me help you anyway." Instead of saying "I know that you are human like me, I know how you got to this wrong choice, I will help you to become a better person because we all can make mistakes." This does not mean I support a lack of punishment/rehabilitation for violent offenders and those who harm others... just that I would go about the prison system a LOT differently. Sorry if I was snarky.

There is a book you might like . It is called "The Science Of Evil" . Their concept of empathy includes action .

"You cannot have empathy for someone if you don't give a damn."
Can you prove it?

Well concepts are fine and dandy, but I was talking about definitions.

BTW I can empathize with a person who is being selfish, or jumps to conclusions based on emotion rather than logic, and I still don't give a damn. I'm not going to feel sympathy for you when you're wrong or stupid. The only thing I'd accomplish is enabling bad behavior; I save my sympathy for those who deserve it.