The Ron Paul Devolution

Other than the pirate thing and the emails from a somalian prince who need $5,000 dollars in order to (place sad story here) promising to pay me $50,000 in return I can't hate on the somalians that much to send them RonPaul.

Good point. It would be very unfair to do that to those people. They've suffered enough.

Ok I'll give you a vote up just so you won't vote for him. :-)

Hey according to Ron he had it coming. It's so sad that all politicians get sucked in to ideologies that they find excuses for vile deeds.

The problem is that the free market does not do a better job at lowering costs. Most insurance companies/corporations are not interested in covering all legitimate claims because they are interested in making a maximum profit, and as an insurance company/corporation one does not make maximum profit by paying out insurance claims. That is why virtually all health insurance companies/corporations will not cover pre existing conditions or will drop customers who have them if they can find a loophole in the law that allows them to do so.

Increasingly Physicians opt-out of the private insurance system. Their point of contention is that the gag-clause, review board for coverage, lowering what the physician is reimbursed and other things that get in the way of the quality care they can offer.

Sounds very noble but these are the same guys that in the 70's and 80's bleed the system. If you were on medicare/medic aid they would make you take unnecessary tests/procedures or charge for tests/procedures never preformed. Sky rocketing medical cost and opening the door for the HMO's. HMO's in turn gave MD's more traffic for a cut, so the more pt they see the more they make. The result? Poor medical care.

Having a free market system is just more of the same, plus it's unaffordable to boot.

Would you buy water or food with feces in it? If you needed the bridge would you help pay for it? Racist? He wants to pardon thousands of inmates that are in prison on drug charges. African Americans are a huge population in our prison system. I'll keep DREAMING because last time I had HOPE, and that has got us 4 more years of BUSH. Obama=Bush. Both love War, Big Banks, Patriot Act,and Their Buddies."You can take that to the bank."

I was just perusing the comments when I saw your comment and had a nice LoL. Social Darwinism fell out of favor with anyone with a brain 70 years ago. There are several logical fallacies to the idea, most of which you learn in your BIO 100 class. In case school was never your thing, I did you a favor and posted my notes from 3 years ago.

Why Social Darwinism Has NO basis in Scientific Theory

1. Reification- labels don’t equal conditions. One's "fitness" can not be summed up by a label, because labels are nothing bu symbols and hold no tangibility.
2. Arbitrariness – who decides who is fit? What entails fitness?
3. Hereditarianism – assumes all behaviors are genetically based, when in fact the majority of behaviors are determined by environmental influence
4. Superiority is time dependent. E.g – what are considered “good qualities” is always changing. No firm baselines.
5. Take a simple approach to solving complex problems. Not Pragmatic, therefor does not meet the requirements of a legitimate scientific theory

Hope this helps put things in perspective, friend

You must know VERY affluent people that can afford to buy $200 jeans or shoes. I guess it's selfish to have an individual who busts his ass splurge occasionally on something to make them feel good?

Besides if we had people spending money as discribed the economy would be in great shape.

EXACTLY---we are for the most part working class.

That specific period of time in which they are lost is actually prehistory. Consider for a moment what traits a barbarian hunter/gatherer must have to survive. Self-responsibility. Limited need for trade, for sharing skills. No need for agriculture and mass production.

Blacks couldn't get into hospitals and be served by white Dr.s btw. But are you saying he is a religious libertarian? It doesn't fit somehow. We were calling for medicade/medicare before the sixties (a form of national charity?) and the AMA cried out against it. Pushed hard. Now Dr.s are calling for a national health care (if they aren't wealthy from Health Inc. investments) So if Paul was a Dr. in the 60's what was his position on medicade/medicare? I suspect he hated it then as he hates it now. Even though private has virtually taken it over and THAT is what has caused the rise in prices.

"Blacks couldn't get into hospitals and be served by white"

That was because of state mandated Jim crow laws, not because of charities providing free health care and doctors proving their services pro-bono.

Doctors use to have to take the hippocratic oath before they graduated med school and many of them took it seriously.

he said his; "grandfather" jeez!

Okay this time you did ask. Libertarians and liberals might do well to start by winding down the two wars... or continue to strengthen the effort Obama did initiate. Encouragement rather than obstruction and casting fear might accelerate it.

On health care, if we're to get on, we could acknowledge that people who abuse the system are going to become a problem. Looking past the obvious for a moment, the advantage here is to begin to move people efficiently through the health care system when they need it. When people need care attend to getting them healthy first. When this is in place we can begin to identify the people who aren't getting back to work, and work to get them past their difficulties.

Social democracies work (to some point) because they begin to use to their advantage the product of synergy from a society. People working in concert and specializing in a trade will out produce jacks-of-all trades every time. That extra production from concerted efforts is what leads people to being able to care for the sick, but also a few lazy haggards with more leftover to spare. Recently, government doesn't work because it is deliberately sabotaged. A less regulated government is more effective in a way that less regulated private industry is more effective. If we could get rid of a modest number of bad apples in government without attacking the multitude of professionals we could work much better. Let's start with all those Republican appointees. They do nothing to help.

Liberals don't necessarily desire a bigger government - but always a better one. The big government line is more of a political jest that's been repeated over and over until non-liberals assume that it's true. Fiscally-conservative liberals exist in the millions.

I would be jazzed to see what liberals and libertarians could produce working on the same side. Give it a chance.

"People that cannot or will not take care of themselves end up driving up prices for everyone else if something happens and they need help."

Hence, the individual mandate that everyone is screaming about.

"The healthcare debate would be much easier if healthcare costs were lower and he is simply pointing out one of the main reasons why costs are soo high."

And yet the Public Option is treated like a dirty word. And don't feed me that line about "Govermint takeover of health care". The Public Option is just that, an option. Insurance companies are just terrified of an option that attempts to offer fair value because then they would be pressured to do the same. But I kinda doubt Ron Paul would be in support of that.

The price of health care is so high because profit is a part of that system.

amen brother

we are missing the whole point here, forced insurance. AND the companies won't pay out, while the man is in a coma, his family has to fight with them for his care, and the big insurance company comes up with some lame excuse like he was two minutes from it going into effect or he smoked a cigarette when he was nine, once. Big corporate insurance is a ponzi scheme if we want to use the phrase. And why hasn't insurance gone after the costs? Why haven't I seen that? Ron Paul is living in 1962, back when corporations were soooo beleagured by taxes, civil rights and the ecology movement. Damn, can't dump our toxins any where we want and set rivers on fire!

Agreed!

I haven't missed the point. What you just said has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. You either didn't read Wolf's question correctly, or you are trying to sidestep the topic.

He should take McCain with him. Actually I would like to see more new blood all around but the need for a few key seasoned pros can't be ignored.

True, I like Bernie Sanders, it's just guys like Ron Paul want a time machine.

Wouldn't that suit them to a T?
Segregation, no women's rights, good ole boys running everything.

now, when you bad mouth someone you have to say "bless his pea pickin little heart". I agree. Ron Paul is a walking contradiction.

All the cultists from the Ayn Rand Club at all the colleges thats who.

I think is safe that no one model holds the key to success, but The TeaRepublicants are not only clueless but corrupt. Trusting them with healthcare reform is like trusting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with nukes.

Single-payer health care has it's problems too, that's for sure.
But at least it's better than feeding a corporate middle man. One dollar for health care, two for him.

I have friends who live in Scotland and they love their National Health. They would never consider giving it up. I'll take an honest opinion from the horse's mouth over an uninformed outsider any day.

exactly, that is why thousand protested and are still protesting because they don't want it destroyed.

I rather trust the Pres of Iran than the Insurance and health industry with our medicade/medicare

hahahahah what planet does he live on. realy. Why don't they just say that is what they want instead of constantly parsing the "founding fathers".

Well, as I recall, this is not the first Republican dance that Ron Paul has been invited to and this is not the first time his ideas have been voiced and then supported by the party.

Agreed. I never have seen anyone show such hate and bad judgement in airing their hate on TV.Even the clan knows better and wears hoods in front of the cameras.

Yet he remains in the fringes.

Agreed. He has a very devoted fan base.

Small, foaming at the mouth types.

Thanks Haruko, Cool as Hell, I have never heard this before... =) Voted Up... =)

FLCL?

I'm telling my PERSONAL friend, Maude!!

Happy Birthday, Miss Haruko!

People support this nut?

I got two down votes before it turned around. They won't show themselves.

I cannot stop laughing and it's been an hour.

It was a great social leap.........................................in the 1800's.

Workhouses?

Debtors' prisons?

Libertarian heaven.

Indeed!

AH to have poor work house's again. and debtors prison and penal colonies in exotic far away places.

;-) still not doing you know what.

Pbbbbbtttttt! ;-)

I agree with Classical!

Pfffft!

HalleBerry Brother HalleBerry!

Preach it, brother Coblat!

Amen brother! :-)

Profoundly true.

Tell it, Cobalt!

Well Jose needs to show an Id in AZ, so the next step maybe purple triangles on your shirt if you're a lib, so forth and so on.

Ahh the Tea Party-----"Kill, Kill, Kill" is their mantra.

I thought it was more about you HAVE to have the child....then it's ok to Kill, Kill. Kill!!

Nah, the just want libs dead.

Chicken, you must be the town mayor.