Big pharma whores go door to door to try to vaccinate kids

Or the Nazis????

Makes me wonder, too, attilatheblond! Thanks!

Those commercials are so ridiculous on so many levels. Love the side effects they have to state, which are often much worse than the initial problem. I'm not risking projectile diarrhea to cure my restless leg syndrome. I would ask my doctor if Plaxoleg was right for me but I know what he would say. "Sure son, I can hook you up with some of that. How much you need?" Thanks anyway.

Then a few minutes after one of those pusher commercials, a law firm comes on telling us that if we took that drug for which a commercial aired 6 months ago, we can get millions by contacting them. Are they in cahoots? Something ain't Orville or Wilbur here.

I actually saw that commercial when I was visiting my daughter in April. She has TV :-) Needless to say, I tanked right up on it as does just about anyone else who has TV. That was one of the most insidious commercials - crafted to be so innocuously cute and making the anti-depressant being pushed seen as the answer.

Sorrow and sadness are a part of life! Just like happiness and joy. To even it all out with a drug is to miss the full range of human experience, living a half life at best.

That's great that works for you!
Wish you all the best!

Excellent comment. Informed consent is the bottom line.

Thank you, Jan. This is exactly how I feel. I am not "anti-vaccine" at all, I had vaccinations, my kids had them, but if I had a school-age daughter I would not have her vaccinated with the Gardasil; I also turn down the flu shots every year. Many of the studies attesting to the safety and efficacy of vaccines are funded by the pharmaceutical companies. Also, there are too many unknown factors involved in the long-term effects of childhood vaccinations; why is there a growing incidence of leukemia and other cancers among children, for instance. It is thought that children's immune systems are compromised by multiple vaccinations.

I also feel that going door to door to force vaccinations upon people is just a bit too authoritarian.

Sadly, all too true. Thank you, nardo . . .

And guess what: public "health" is big business. I just hope that people can have the freedom and knowledge to make informed choices about their own health and take responsibility for their own well-being into their own hands.

Good comment!

Excellent comment! sounds like you've done some research!

Excellent comment. Money corrupts. Money and power together: dangerous (to our pocketbooks, to our health, and to our freedom)

Very well said.

In a nutshell, my perceptions exactly.

Thanks Dagum.

The longer you live the greater your chance of getting cancer. Plus toxins in the environment where you live contribute to a greater risk in my opinion.

Agreed, there are too many other factors to suggest.

"The truth about polio and smallpox vaccines is that they are heavily contaminated with animal viruses, being produced on monkey kidneys and calves, respectively. This gave us AIDS which started in central eastern Africa in those states where the W.H.O. conducted the eradication campaign against smallpox and polio. The batches of vaccines used here were heavily contaminated with both SV40 and SIV (Simian Immuno-deficiency Virus) and bovine retrovirus, another AIDS-related virus... It is beyond coincidence that the present raging epidemic of AIDS is affecting mostly those states where the polio/smallpox eradication campaign was conducted."
-Dr. Viera Scheibner, Vaccination: A Medical Assault on the Immune System, published V. Scheibner, 1993, p. xviii, ISBN: 9780646151243

I'm not conducting an anti-vaccine campaign. I'm conducting an information campaign. I believe in the right to informed consent.

this is so true. Thank you for your comment.

The issue isn't science. The issue is government fostered oligopoly in pharmaceuticals that gives the lie to the illusion that economics and commerce function with freedom fairness and entropy.

I never knew that, good info. I will have to look that up for myself.

Is that why one year, I hear a report on why eggs are unhealthy. Then the next I hear a report on how much one can benefit from eating eggs. Then the following year, I hear how high it is in cholesterol and I should avoid it....then the next year, I hear a report on how eggs may help the body's defenses against something like cancer.

Science works as well as science can, based on the information they have at the time.
The human body is a complex system made-up of inter-workings parts, symbiotic organisms, etc. The human body is an advanced machine.
Up until this year, Scientists/Doctors had little clues as to how to get drugs safely to the brain through the blood system. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110913172631.htm

Another example of how one thing in the body effects another, the Liver might be responsible for Alzheimer's. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41971124/ns/health-alzheimers_disease/t/alzheimers-m...

I'm a huge fan of science, but they don't have all of the answers. They may have the right answer one day, but they don't automatically have them all.
Therefore, with my egg analogy, one could see why Today they say vaccine's are safe. However tomorrow, they may find out differently. They may discover that a component commonly used in vaccinations may somehow damage the developing brain's ability to wart off infections/viruses/invasion, etc.

Excellent points, as are many other comments here have made on other facets of this topic.

Science TODAY is far from science yesterday. Seems likely it will evolve tomorrow. I have no problem with science nor medial science when it is honest. It is when TODAY'S science becomes a religion to some who are not fully acknowledging just how much editorial power $$ has in science and how much sway $$ has in regulation of medicines that I get my back up.

When people with well considered questions about vaccinations are marginalized with the label of 'anti-vaccers' or being anti-science, then the forces pushing 'science' have feet of clay and they damned well know it. If science can't stand up to rigorous questioning, it is not science, it is belief. Perhaps well founded belief, but belief non the less.

Science ALWAYS changes, as methods and tools evolve and knowledge is piled upon knowledge. Those who dismiss questions are not about science. They are about defending their beliefs, and that is not a good enough reason for me to inject something into my body when I feel not enough questions have been answered.

We are in the midst of a real problem with pertussis. For many years, too many doctors were not seeing what they were looking at with too many patients. Why? Because they KNEW the patients had been vaccinated against pertussis, so it couldn't be that. Finally, there was notice that the vaccination presumed to give lifetime immunity wore off. So the schedule for the shots was beefed up, based on what was thought to be the correct span of effective immunity. Have recently noticed that schedule has been changed/tweaked some more, as science has noted that the previous schedule was not adequate for many people. And disease evolves too.

Science/knowledge evolves. But it won't when questions are met with ridicule instead of real though. THAT is the problem I have with science that is profit driven. The drive for profits creates the need to squelch questions. Result: a most unhealthy atmosphere where integrity is too often a target of those who worship money over life.

You are spreading misinformation, and that is dangerous. Your claims about aids and autism are ridiculous, and have been thoroughly discredited. People like you are responsible for the reemergence of childhood diseases. Shame on you and your ignorant, conspiracy theory clap trap.

- ? Really? Flat Earth Society meets on the next floor down, where the curve of the earth is not so noticeable on the horizon.

Big pharma must be here today.

Not too long ago, the most learned men of science scoffed at the idea that there were creatures to small to be seen that caused much disease. Guess that sort of narrow minded belief that some know it all and there is no room for questions still exists among those who call themselves scientists. More is the pity. Such people actually impede science.

Yes, I read that somewhere, that the rate of diseases decreased with the improvement of sanitation, indoor plumbing and other conveniences. I'll search for some reportage of that.

Good point, thank you!

I appreciate your intelligence and critical thinking. Thank you.

You are so right about that. Great comment!

Discredited by whom?

Asking a lot of questions and critically evaluating who pays for the answers works better. Big Pharma is not science driven. It is $$ driven. When marketing is a bigger expense than R&D, the science is toward the back of the bus Big Pharma is driving.

Question authority and big businesses.

Thanks pianorama.

That country sounds a lot like the U.S.

OMG, who is voting down things like washing hands and good nutrition as tools against disease?

Pretty sad. I +'d this and it is at -1? What,. are germs, bacteria, viruses posting here on Current? Who else would - comments that "good nutrition, proper sanitation and clean water also save lives"? And if some one has to - the fact that "Several diseases supposedly eradicated by vaccination were already in radical decline when the vaccinations were first introduced." they are more agenda driven that fact driven.

zampano, know many of us favor your factual statement.

"In 1992, the CDC admitted that the polio live-virus vaccine had become the largest cause of polio in the United States. Specifically, the CDC asserted that, from 1973 to 1983, 87% of all (non-imported) cases of polio resulted directly from vaccine administration. Furthermore, it was also asserted that every non-imported case of polio in the U.S. from 1980 to 1989 was vaccine-induced."
-Dr. Thomas Levy, MD, "VACCINATION--The Shot That Keeps on Shooting," [http://www.whale.to/m/levy1.html], Apr 22, 2011; See also Neil Z. Miller, Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective?, New Atlantean Press, 1992, ISBN: 9781881217107

That is a scary thing, but also funny in a dark way.

Different branches of science don't even always agree with other! Great comment!

As we ALL should Progresshiv...

You make a good point to which I can relate. About three quarters of the way through my military service the army decided that I needed to be given gamma globulin as a protective measure against hepatitis. This vaccination is rather painful and one is advised to hold on to the back of a chair when the injection is administered. They were not kidding. Later, I spoke to one of the medical corpsman I knew, and he told me that the injections were really of little value as the immunity they provided did not last very long. It turned out that the armed services had bought a huge batch of the vaccine and had to use it to justify the cost; which was inflated. This was back in the early 70's and big pharm had just started to shake down the government. Some of the vaccinations, I received before heading to Asia were probably a good idea, this one however, is an example wasteful spending and, quite literally, a pain in the butt.

I know. I'll try to tone it down.

What a great example of how the drug companies and clerks get together to make work for themselves. It's like a form of corporate welfare.

And corporate welfare as a driving force in policy and/or healthcare is not healthy!

Good comment, thank you!

Ouch! Because I am rh neg, I had some kind of shot like that when I was pregnant for the second time. I am really grateful that the vaccination was available.

This is exactly what I mean when I support informed consent, freedom of choice and taking responsibility for our health. When your baby or child gets sick, call the doctor! Take the medicine, of course!

and like you, I wonder how many vaccinations are just plain worthless . . .

And you should Not Leen... I sure as Hell don't and I rarely get sick...

Good for you, leen61! Another thing that a lot of people don't realize is that our water supply is becoming more and more polluted with pharmaceuticals of all kinds. Drinking water across the country is found to be contaminated with drugs.

That's correct, KB. I take supplements and I get therapeutic massages, chiropractic and acupuncture.

Very Cool Leen, always a way around the Snake Oil they sell... =)

I've heard about that, too. One of the sources for that is people flushing their expired/old medications down the toilet. Fish and other life in the water get mutated.

The link between autism and vaccines has been discredited by the scientific community and the person who made the claim admitted that he did so irresponsibly in order to obtain grants.

You are correct there. Although she denies it, I think I have caught colds from my wife who, many times will forget to cover her face when she coughs. She is getting better about this. Her work environment does not help this either in that it is a hassle to take off if you are sick. I know this well as I worked for the same company. They would put up posters advising people to cover their faces and wash their hands, yet make it hard to call out sick. In a close office environment, colds would spread like wildfire.

That's all so true, Bill. Hand washing is one of the best ways to stop the spread of nasty germs as well as everything else you mentioned. Loved the video!

Still, he was nonetheless discredited by the entire scientific community for his research along with a revoking of his license. Also, the Wake Forest Study can be considered legit. unless it went through the peer review process and accepted by scientific journals. The thing with Wakefield proved a flaw in the system of peer review as he managed to have his research at first. Of course it was eventually found that he was incorrect after further investigation. His study was very irresponsible in causing panics as parents stopped vaccinating their children and thus resulting in rises in what were otherwise very rare diseases. His biggest supporters were not even fellow scientists rather, just some big name celebrities with no scientific background. That was the only big reason why he even garnered the attention in the first place.

Better than flu shots, which seem to be a crap shoot re which virus will dominate in any given year, SOAP AND WATER will protect against more bugs!

And paid sick leave for all would be a help, as would peer pressure to use it when ill rather than thinking one's self so indispensable that one MUST go to work and spread disease. Yes, employers take a dim view of people staying home when ill. Smart employers take a dim view of people showing up at work sick. Peer pressure to change the latter view to the dominate one would probably go further against the flu than spinning the roulette wheel and hoping this year's shot will be the right mix.

I have not taken a flu shot since the mess with the swine flu vaccine decades ago. I have had flue exactly once since then. Most people I know personally who get the shots annually do not have that good a track record with flu.

Soap, water, don't touch your face until you are home and wash up, and stay away from sick people. Flu shots? Not nearly as reliable.

Now, the pneumonia shot, that I am considering as that is a more likely complication of MANY other possible disease/conditions that I cannot so easily avoid. Allergies > opportunistic sinus infection>pneumonia is not that big a reach. Pollution>pneumonia also a common problem in our society.

The ONLY thing I will nag my husband about is: Wash your hands as soon as you get home from ANYWHERE. I am not a clean freak, but I figure the fewer surfaces we touch in the home after being out in public, the fewer surfaces I need to swab down often and the less likely we both are to do a hand to face contamination here in our nest.

And a lot of people who seem to bounce strep around the family over and over (kids do bring home lots of bug) might be surprised to know the dog probably should be tested/treated for strep. I am all for dog snuggles, but have read they can get strep too. Kids and dogs should share a lot, but strep should not be a football they toss back and forth. Checking the dog when other family members get strep repeatedly might save a lot of extra anti-biotic ingestion for the rest of a family.

Even Jenny McCarthy doesn't believe this ignorant crap anymore. Your misinformation is dangerous. Shame on you.

That's correct, attilatheblond. All I was saying is if you don't need a vaccine, don't get one. I have heard about many people having bad reactions to flu shots. That's why I never get one. It doesn't mean I'm anti-science.

Leen61, I see the 'boo birds' are out and about today. I rest my case re some people and their refusal to accept that questioning is good and productive.

There are people here against washing hands as one of many ways to fight disease spread? ROFL. Lame in the extreme.

Not the whole of scientific community.

You question anything and they think you need a tin foil hat right away. I always thought questioning was a good thing. I always question. It's good to be curious. That's how you learn and can make informed decisions.