The Day America Died: The only Future for Americans is a Nightmare

I admit, after he voted for telecomm immunity in the FISA bill, I had to hold my nose as I voted for him.

I was under the impression he voted for that stuff to keep a mild tone during the election. I was completely wrong.

I agree with that, but what the hell is the alternative?

It's not as if Batshit Bachmann or Prick Perry would have done anything differently. If anything, they'd have gone way further.

Oh believe me, I am not a fan of Perry or Romney. Don't want either in the WH. However, I cannot vote for Obama. I don't like Marxism or the other "isms" (socialism, statism), loss of freedom, the huge & nanny central government, poor fiscal responsibility etc. Will Perry or Romney be better? Can't say but it will not be Obama and that is the acid test. Bachman, I don't think she will be a factor although she could not be worse than what we have. You say she is "Batshit" but at least she does not say there are 57 states in the Union.

Can't say I agree with that or the "Marxist" interpretation (just so you know, there are actually Marxist parties in Europe. If you want an idea of what they're really like, look them up.) I also don't agree that things couldn't be worse under a Republican president. Firstly, things can *ALWAYS* get worse. If I've learned anything from history, it's definitely that. There is no such thing as rock bottom. Second, Republicans not only have not changed substantially since Bush, they've embraced all of his shitty policies. How would that be a solution to the crap going on right now?

I don't think there are going to be any good choices in 2012. Whoever I vote for, I will hold my nose and have no expectation that they'll fix anything. Unless Kucinich or Sanders runs or something.

Very funny Prog, good point, now is sleep time, good night to all!!! See ya later!!!

That was a really dark moment in American history, but the constitution actually *gives* the president the authority to put down rebellions.

It does *not* give him the right to murder U.S. citizens for no reason, without a trial and with no consequences.

If you want to live in a security state, move to China. We have a bill of rights for a reason.

When do the remote control attack drones flying over U.S. soil achieve sentience and write their own "bill of rights"? Enquire-ing minds wanna know. Do they have to form a Union first?

Do the drones have to have embedded chips like us or are they Above the Law like Steven Seagal getting to punch anybody they want to (when they chase you on land that is)?

Do we get to know where the drones are? Seems only fair since they know where we are. If the drones can't get shot down shouldn't that mean we can't get shot down either?

Perhaps we should sue. Maybe we can get the same great deal the drones get. Just a thought. What about judge & jury first? Do Americans still get that?

What say you Grasshopper Saladin? We who are about to die salute you! Our treasured Way of Life bites da dust soon.

I know! Hornets like to be lullabied to sleep with Jobs-a-Coming music! HA HA Hornet wives like to hear paycheck shuffling sounds coming from the kitchen table while paying bills. Children hornets like hearing chore money being laid aside for every Saturday!

Wow. Foreign hornets are a lot like us. We are like them!

Major revelation, major revelation here! Yes!

Treat them like us!!!! Solar cookers!

Not only have they "taken out democratically elected leaders", they have inserted their own puppets. This has been done both to establish political control or sometimes at the behest of the corporate world.

Yes, that was the purpose . . .

That is why Iran is pissed off at us.

The intention wasn't to stir up controversy, really no way around it though. I almost didn't post the article, I read through it, and have read Dr. Paul Craig Roberts articles before, once again I feel he's hit the nail on the head.

And you're right there isn't a whole lot new to this but two factors; he was an American citizen, and there was no case, no actual charges, just execution. It is an awful precedent to set. The author is correct too, no president is going to want to relinquish any amount of perceived powers even if they conflict with our constitution. It's a scary thing...

Idk I watch too many documentaries, I tend to believe the guy who did "Confessions of an Economic Hit-man". I see that, that money rides over it all and controls political and military or police actions allot of times only serving corporate interests. It's wrong and needs to be further examined and addressed.

Another thing, I'm not sure about the line, a seemingly ever moving line away from freedoms and liberties we once took for granted. Where is it going to end? Thankfully a few even politicians speak out on this garbage...

I could go on and on, but when I read that article it was like the author had already picked a big portion of my thoughts... I'm just worried about the future, and where this police state is headed, because it really doesn't look good.

Interesting comment A-man. Jesus did something once that to my knowledge has never been defined. He squatted down and "drew a line on the ground", or in the sand, something like that. Your comment about the line moving sounds like you nailed it pretty close.

Perhaps he was giving us the last final sign to watch for, the day would come when politicians begin "moving the line" wherever they feel froggy. Works for me.

Very good points, after all, you can bet your sweet ass that George Washington and the rest of his crew would in all likelihood had been hanged as traitors and terrorist, had they lost the Revolutionary war, of course it is a sad reality, that even though they certainly did not have the technology devised for killing that we have now, many innocent people were still maimed and killed nonetheless, it is an unfortunate certainty of war. Nice to see you PIANO..^+

My Country, Honduras, its the first one on this Century to go through a Coup.
The ousted president, kidnapped, was taken to an American Military Base, before being kicked out to another country.

As soon the new puppet came in, and after some lobbying, they dissapeared the Country's Education System and replaced it with corporate bullshit, exactly what they did on New Orleans. Thats one things out of hundreds of them.

Weve been protesting ever since.

Im glad you are finally seeing it.
Theres a reason why America is hated in some parts of the world.

"treason" is an interesting and not most clearly defined word....

"Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour."
(wikipedia)

We can and have the potential to "overthrow" existing political/government structures every 4 years on the national level and every 2 on the state level.... We have made drastic changes over the course of one election. Is it treason to completely overturn existing bullshit? Because what 85% on some of that latest poles want to "fire congress", would that not be an overthrow...?

Very slippery slope, and no so far we haven't faced definitions of treason being so harsh, but do you trust these clowns to maintain sanity... Because IF history is any indication?

They need to define treason, and make it clear, then I'll shut my mouth and migrate, pretending I don't visibly see them wanting to take it to the extreme.....

And show me just which violent act he took part in?.... Really I'd like to know, you know proof......

Agree with you about Manning it's total bullshit, he should receive "whistle blower status", and a damn congressional medal of honor, as well as a decent settlement for the portion of his life he was unduly deprived of. But he won't he posed a threat to a very large profit margin, and probably still is.....

And what about all of us, we've been deemed "subjects" of a soft fascist inverted totalitarian regime (love that phrase, so fitting), and the fascism is ever hardening, and will regress into traditional fascism within a decade or two at this rate....

POOF to whoever voted me up this is an OUTRAGE! If this doesn't come to a fast halt I'll, I'll, have to quit Current yeah, that's it. HA HA

Wait. Trust in Jesus first. He has a good plan not imaginary jobs.

Are you really even a member of Current.com? It's seems like all you do is post comments on articles that consist solely of attacking the source.

Can you add more personality/discussion?

Maybe you need a direct prompt: How do you feel about unconstitutional extrajudicial killings without due process of the law?

Its called a diversity of opinion. Also, I don't attack everything. Look at my posts on Occupy Wallstreet. I obviously support it. What I don't support are conspiracy sites or anyone attempting to divert attention with any sort of worthless conspiracy theory with obviously questionable sources. Also, I dislike source material from RTV since its owned by the Russian government in order to propagate material. Whats wrong with questioning source materials anyways? So I should just accept everything at face value? Sounds like everything on Fox News is always correct then. Forget how they got that information.

Not all of it is nuts.

What do you think about NaF in your water? That isn't a theory.

Fluoride is in our water and other products yes. The thing is that there are many other things in daily life that could negatively effect your health and hence, it would be difficult to find a direct correlation between just fluorinated water causing all your health problems. I myself do consume bottled water from time to time but I do consume tap water as well for my delicious cup of coffee. Some suggest mind control and that its a communist threat to impurify all men...oh wait thats Dr. Strangelove.

Amen.

Very true, good to see you nikon. ^+++

All jokeing aside, Why didn't they just arrest them? They were americans, and the drone located them. Why not use the SEALS to arrest and detain them for trial?

I don't blame you, I don't. In fact, the reasons Awlaki went to war against the US, I don't blame him for that either. It was bullshit. The U.S. and the Bush administration declared a war, justified by lies, on a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. In doing so they killed at least 600,000 Iraqians. But Awlaki did make that choice. He could have protested the war here, even protested the war in a non-combative nation, but he threw his hat in the ring, he clearly said he was at war with the U.S. That's treason.

And if one argues that he was a citizen, why? Does that make him more human than any of the other terrorists killed? He was given a year’s notice, his father petition to the court on his behalf. He knew the U.S. was determined to get him. That is much better than what the other terrorists got.

Ironically, everything that this article argues is more on point in regards to Osama bin Ladden. Unfortunately, for most, that is not a strong case, but I can't think of any violation morally worse than to shoot a man who was unarmed and had surrendered.

My point is that it is wrong for an America to assassinate any of its citizens without due process. I mean we have to follow the rule of law. I would argue that it is wrong for any government to kill anyone without due process of the law, but in this case I am responding to a specific instance. Nobody is more or less human than anyone else. Further, I say that it is not valid to make an exception based on the character of the person who was denied due process. It is wrong to interpret laws differently depending on who the person is.

I agree.

America exercising a "Divine Right of Kings" to guide world affairs? If I recall my history classes that was done by the "Bad Guys" of times long ago. Did I blink and we all retrograded back to being Vikings???

Mel Gibsons?

If I may add a slightly different angle on this. I voted for Obama, but because I was making a philosophical transition at the time, I also made a vow. From every realist position, Obama was identified as a plutocrat, and despite all the rhetoric such as "change" and such, would act not only to protect, but to further a plutocratic agenda, which is exactly what he has done, therefore in keeping with my vow, I not only will not vote for Obama, but I will not vote for anyone who chooses to affiliate themselves in the plutocratic system. What I've noticed many people are doing, is being angry and upset with Obama which I feel is absurd, I could no more be angry with Obama, then I could at a fox who's going into the hen house, both are doing exactly what they are programmed to do, foxes will always go after chickens in hen houses, and plutocrats-no matter how well spoken or charismatic-always seek to further the agenda of a plutocracy, ALWAYS, there is no fucking mystery here, just many many millions of Americans, who project and see and believe what they want to see and believe, and refuse to believe, what something actually is.

I agree with you. Unfortunately at the time that I voted for Obama I was not aware that he was a plutocrat. I was not fully aware of how things worked. I wrongly expected more of Obama. Perhaps it is because I have only recently become aware of such things that I feel anger towards Obama. I also feel anger towards all who knowingly further the plutocratic agenda, even if it is just their nature to be as they are. I can't help but feel this way.

Thank you for responding nox, I totally understand where you're coming from, and that is exactly the bigger point that I'm trying to make. The entire point of everything that's going on politically, is as a show, a diversion, and amongst other things, it is specifically designed to engage the masses emotionally-just like a soap opera-with an endless stream of infinite battles between the right and left, on issues that have already been thoroughly decided, remember, your entire life you are only programmed to be a consumer, and this is yet something else for you to consume, in reality, very little of this actually matters, and although I can certainly sympathize about anger and frustration, remember that that is part of the manipulation, don't waste your time,effort or energy, it is pointless within the confines of the current paradigm, fortunately, there is another way.

Alex jones is highly credible.
But not all of his theories are well thought out.

I disagree with him a lot but he nailed 911 to the cross.

Man, that Michele Bachmann looks absolutely loonybins . . .

You really have to imagine this kind of power being in the hands of someone like her to truly appreciate how dangerous a precedent this is.

Well, I picked the only article on the site worth posting... That's a Dr. as the author, and 2 Lawyers totally agreeing with him....

I mean I didn't post it to be partisan, I'm not a t-party-er...

Good points, Anonmaly.

Eisenhower warned us about the increasing and unrelenting power of the U.S. military industry.

YES!!