Obama was warned not to visit Solyndra

Yes, it is a lot of money. And that's why the neocons were voted out. But what we replaced them with decided to keep the Iraq war going and spend even more money.

Ya, like Ford and GM! Oh thats right he saved those businesses. :)

wow, you made the connection also? i see some on the left have but very few of them that comment here

no , the american tax payer did

Ford carried their own water, unlike GM which Obama stole from the stockholders and gave to the UAW union at taxpayers expense

With our tax dollars.

Good one Kenny,of coarse we shouldn't give Obama credit for accomplishements. BS

This is also at JohnA.

So, when Obama spends millions and it successfully bails out an industry that is "too big to fail" then it is thanks to the tax payers because it was their/our money but not thanks to Obama because he made the decision of where to spend that money...

Yet when Obama spends millions and it fails to help start a green energy company it's not the tax payers fault because it was their/our money, but it is Obama's fault because he made the decision of where to spend that money...

That reasoning is not real reasoning. He is either responsible for both or he is not.

it is difficult to give a man who makes so many bad decisions any credit. now while that particular bailout may have helped, had the industry been left to rely on itself and its own inovations to sink or swim they very well could have survived, then again maybe not. businesses fail all the time. bad management is what caused them to suffer. by whose opinion were they too big to fail? this is america, conduct business properly and fairly and make a go. your continued success should not fall on the tax payer. in my opinion it was a bailout of the unions and not the industry itself.

"it is difficult to give a man who makes so many bad decisions any credit."

So, are you saying that it is difficult to give Obama credit for the resulting screwup that was Solyndra?

As far as the auto industries go, yes bad management is what caused them to suffer, and had there not been a bailout then they might have survived or they might have tanked. Had they tanked, the unemployment problems would just be that much worse and it is very likely that a large portion of the tea baggers, as well as other extreme conservatives, would have managed to blame Obama for not giving the auto industry the support it required in it's time of need.

Regarding the bailout being a bailout of the unions rather than the industry, without the industry there are on unions but you can have industry without unions (though industries tend to screw over their employees without unions to protect worker rights). It feels like your claiming that money is sent to a states department of transportation to put up speed limit signs and not to maintain roads. If the roads fall into such disrepair that they are not drivable, then there is no purpose for having a speed limit.

no i dont blame solyndra on obama, it was just bad timing and judgment on his part. i think unions have passed their prime and that obama is in their pockets. i tire of big industry either just getting by or tanking while at the same time using tax payer subsidized bailouts to pay their leaders huge sums. i tire of corruption in its many forms and i tire of liberals who always tend to blame conservatives while almost always giving their own corrupt leadership a pass. i dont think one single political party corners the market on corruption and mismanagement.

Great comment. He did save the car industry. Of coarse all money the government spends is tax money, but only the president and congress decides where to spend. Our government runs on tax money. ALL presidents do this, but yes this is Obama.

I agree!

wow chewy, still stuck on that broken and unproven record. try catching the train to reality and be honest with yourself. its quite cathartic

Anything we do to invest in the future is worth it Kenny.

Thats correct! :)

so how many times do we give obama? i guess he'll get at least 4 years worth anyway

yeah like domestic oil drilling. then we can tell the rest of the oil producing nations that hold us hostage to go to hell

Thomas Edison wasn't spending the taxpayer's money.

Shouldn't we at least invest wisely?

More BS.

Of coarse, but tecnology doesn't come with one try. You keep at it till it's right. If you give up nothing is accomplished.

Agreed, but come on. One look at Solyndra's financials with even a nominal knowledge of finance would not have given them a $500 million dollar loan! $500 million and you have no assets, no product, and no market? Which they promptly pocketed and filed for bankruptcy. Give me a break!

again opinion, not fact

It will take years to get off of oil. After Obama you can complain about another president. but we must start. Please tell congress that. Thanks to Obama the car industry is building cars with batteries.

Then we must try again as we always have till we get it right.

And you give facts.No, only opinions.

actually the advent of the modern electric vehicles production began way before obama. he just signed into law changes the auto industry had already started due to consumer interest and demand. the way business should be run. an interesting note... William Taft (president from 1909-1913): Baker Electric — Taft was the first president to own and drive cars during his presidency. One of the most interesting cars he owned was, ironically enough, "green" — a Baker Electric. This electric vehicle was especially popular with women in the era, as it did not require any cranking and was virtually maintenance-free.

Nikola Tesla invented the first electic engine. If it hadn't been for Ford, and his combustible engine and Rockefeller and his oil, we would not need to worry about oil today.

More below.

oh well, history past. better to bitch about current characters than ones from the past

I know you can't cry over spilled milk, but makes me wish.......

changing the worlds entire economic and production structure takes a long time. in the men time drill baby drill!

That's the way you do it!

What a BS comment!

good gosh how could a democrat be accused of corruption? you blasphamer

no more than any of yours

Uhhhh, okay?!?!? Not quite sure I understand ya there. No substance to your comment. Care to elaborate?

To start with calling the president of our country Dumbo is disrespectful, even if you don't like him. You have to have some intelligence to know all presidents plus those running, such as the the republicans running. all have fund raisers for election. Did you forget the SCOTUS made corp. the same as people for donations. Put a republican in office will really get you screwed. So your comment is BS.

At least mine are true.

it all boils down to opinion, not fact

First of all, if the shoe fits, he is DUMBO, I did not call him Bumbo. Furthermore, I have INTELLIGENCE, not intelligents. Some people are smart enough to know what's going on, and some are merely mindless voices repeating sound bites they don't really comprehend.

Now you got it right. :)

OH, I'm bad. My spelling corrected. I don't repeat sound bites. I pay attention, You only give opinions also, not so intelligent.The shoe doesn't fit Obama, if it fits you, wear it.

well seems the left forgot about their manners when gw was in office although im not sure if you restrained from calling him names or not. and in 2012 when a repub is back in the white house i hope youll give him or "her" the same respect

I called him a lot of names, but nothing like Hitler, Muslin etc.Obama doesn't deserve these kind of names. I always respect the office no matter who's in office, but i won't need to worry since Obama will win in 2012.

thats respectful, but most on the left werent as kind

Your right, just as reps aren't all respectfull either. Politics can be dirty from both sides.

if we can agree on that we nearly have detante

That he is.

Textbook narcissist, without a doubt.

what else is there?

He listens to the voices in his head.

sometimes they give good direction, but in his case i dont think so

Good one bailey.