Oathbreaker!

Hey, apathy is fine, there were plenty of people in prison who proudly exclaimed that they "didn't give a fuck".

+^d

You can keep you piece of paper that was written by slave owners... we will fight for true freedom instead. Thanks for the statism slavery through violence on peaceful people.... but no thanks...

Amen....

I didn't realize how many people were still using this failed excuse for a piece of crap propaganda.

Sorry, too broad a brush for me. There are some who have dived into the pool of available special interest money with a zeal we can only wish they devoted to their public duties! What we need to ask is why our pols have to ask for money to run to be a "public" servant? Why do we not provide free air time on our air waves for everyone who has an issue they want to make public? Why do we allow special interests to corrupt our democracy? Could it be that envy of the goods money can buy?

Democracy is mob rule. It says, do what we say, versus, do what you want as long as you don't infringe on others. We should not be telling peaceful people how to run their lives, but instead, only discouraging activity that is outside the voluntary realm. Democracy is against individual rights/Freedom.

Your faith in our system of government is most underwhelming. Perhaps another read about how we are "attempting to form a more perfect union" and as chimp descendants we recognize that no human is perfect and those that claim to be are delusional or using Elmer Gantry Religion to support their thesis. What is instead of spending trillions on making war, killing people around the world, and making enemies, we used that money to fund a program that gave every American a tab (India just announced they will sell $100 tabs to their citizens while we sit here arguing about which thumb to stick up our ass to see how well our brain is working! Where is America's pride that China can eat our lunch while we spend our money to protect them from nuclear attack? Who the stoopid now?

I don't want a union, or any government that tells peaceful people how to run their lives... I just want individual rights and freedom. You can keep the political monopolization and hype... I will choose choice over forced collectivism.

Good thinking Mr. Mtn Man, now that all who came before you have done the hard work of carving a civilization out of the wilderness you don'towe anyone else shit and you can carve a hole in the ground sipping your municipal water as your municipal electricity lights up your house. Like it or not Masked Man, we are in this shit hole together and there are no "isolationists" in a foxhole (we fra.... them ;-). If you've swallowed the Faux line that this are Mao inspired red anarchists, then check your programming, you may need a reboot up the ass! ;-) I'm a Vet, so I have skin the game. If you have grown up with a free education, then look around partner, we, the people, helped you!

I'm not sure your argument is anything AGAINST Mike... It's hard to see him ever saying anything in defense of government, ours or anyone else's.

The people, the society... NOT the government.
-Someone who has private power, water, gas, roads, and internet.

wow, you don't half troll, do you?

not argueing, maybe more venting. the central issue is the belief of some that they just deserve more of the pie & if u were born in the wrong side of the rigged game table fuck you 4 being unlucky but dont look 4 any lessening of demands that the peasants endure more sacrafice bec its dog-s wil

Sorry, I make it a policy not to talk to children.

Everyone starts with nothing, and the hungriest will get ahead whether the government helps or not... Unless they actively put up roadblocks to those willing to work, and reward those who don't. Sadly, they do.

Nothing like a little Lazzie Faire with your slavery is there? Do you honestly intend to try and convince me that we have "capitalism" rather than socialism for the rich. If the banks steal our money and pay out massive bonuses on the way to ruining the nation, "no worries" the poor will bail them out! What we are looking for is a 'level playing field" once again. If you are playing 3 card Monte and realize the game is rigged, what do you do? Where is the fiduciary responsibility? If you are not a legal expect then "too bad"? Do you applaud when execution numbers are announced because you believe in the "right to life"? Do you boo a service member risking his life 4 u because he is LGBT? Where do you cross the line and see other people not as members of the same chimp tribe that climbed down from those trees in East Africa but as "others" to be hated and therefore easy to ignore. You can eat your steak while the homeless guy outside your window vainly tries to keep dry. At long last sir (or madam) do you have no shame?

You worry about the street hustler playing 3 card monte, when you're perfectly capable of standing ten feet away and warning people that they'll lose their money... And you pay no attention to the state's Lottery, skimming millions of dollars from people too poor to know how statistics work.

" If you are not a legal expect(sic) then "too bad"?" Whose idea was THAT? Maybe you just haven't connected the final dot in that puzzle: If we didn't have TEN MILLION laws on the books, maybe ignorance of the law would actually BE no excuse. If we reduced it to say, less than ten: "No person shall initiate violence against another"... "No person shall deprive another of justly acquired property"... "No person shall make a claim to another's time or labor without their consent"... THEN I'd believe "ignorance of the law". As it is now, I challenge people to walk up to a judge in their jurisdiction and ask them how many laws they are in charge of enforcing. If they can't even tell you how MANY there are, how can you expect them to KNOW them all?

Other than that, I wish it was colder so I could put all these straw-men to a proper use, heating my house.

Dude: I served over eight years in the Navy, and knew every LGB crewmember aboard two ships... There were no T's. It wasn't a friggin issue.
Do I applaud when execution numbers are announced? Why? That jury and that executioner can NEVER know what exactly happened on the night in question. I'll support the death penalty when delivered by the victim. If a homeowner is being burgled, HE can shoot the guy. HE knows for sure what's going on.

Do I eat a steak while the homeless guy outside tries to keep dry?? You're pretty clueless. I live in Arizona, staying dry is the LAST of my concerns, and they did an interview of the homeless around here... The guy who stands at the corner of Camelback and I-17 made more money doing nothing than I did every day going to work... And I drove 60 miles each way to get yelled at on the phone for the "privilege"... Not to mention they took taxes from me to pay TO that guy. So have *I* no shame? I have nothing to be ashamed of. Can you say the same?

as much as it pains me to hide the light of my virtues from the eyes of the world. i think u make this too personal just as there are bad cops and good cops, we have the right to demand fairness & thr right to peaceably assemble on public property w/o fear of arrest. get the picture?

You tried to shame me. I've responded to every point comprehensively, and what I get in return looks like a set of nonsequiturs.
Which of us is a cop, good or bad?
Which of us has ever infringed upon public assemblies?

I don't know what you're going for, with this.

For what it's worth though, public property is part of the problem (see: tragedy of the commons) and it's been shown that when unpopular causes mainly call attention to their rallies (like, say, the KKK...) by BEING in public places. Last time someone loaned the use of their farm or ranch or what have you, nobody gave a damn that the KKK was whooping it up out there.

plz count me o u t!

Opt out of government like the rest of us.

We've tried that and it doesn't work! Deregulate banks and you get monetized mortgages. We either control government ourselves or corporations will gladly control it and our lives.

No: we HAVEN'T tried that. We've removed a handful out of THOUSANDS of regulations and called it a free market.

And secondly, people need to READ their damn paperwork, and know what it means. If you're not competent enough to understand a mortgage, you're not smart enough to own a house yet. Most people don't even read the EULA on software, but software isn't worth a hundred thousand dollars or more. If you can't afford a house, rent and save, or if you INSIST, at least go the mexican route and gather half a dozen people together to make payments.

Arguing over who controls government is just an argument over who gets to point the gun.

So removing Glass-Steagal did not open the doors to banks to gamble with our money and from your perspective cutting even more regulations would be just dandy? Well, if there is no FDA, poisoned food will sicken and kill you but profits will not be affected as there will be no recall and more can die but profits are assured. Thank you, but a future where the last human is gasping for a poisoned breath of air so a billionaire can add a shiny coin to a mountain size pile is not what I want for my future. Peas.

fact: we have more than 10,000 regulatory bodies.

opinion: that's way too many

fact: the regulatory bodies influence what would be a free market otherwise

opinion: that's bad.

Fact: Historically, since the federal reserve system was created, money has consistently become worth less and less

opinion (of the [educated members of the] 99%): that's terrible.

fact: FDA says it's illegal for me to buy a cow so I can have fresh milk for myself and sell the excess to my neighbors.

fact: this is not a free market.

Opinion: Without the FDA, YOU won't have the intelligence to buy fresh, clean food.

Fact: When customers die, they don't pay you anymore.

Yea, a Listeria outbreak here and there, you lose 30 people and so what? Cost of doing business, say what? Is that the type of world you envision as "heaven on earth"? Thanks but I'll trust the FDA anytime over a company that will lose money in a recall!

EVERY MAJOR FAST FOOD CHAIN has had an e. Coli outbreak.

EVERY MAJOR FAST FOOD CHAIN undergoes FDA inspection.

They're doing a bang-up job, huh?

The answer is in ethical lawsuits. If you sue a company for the actual value that will "make you whole", including lost wages, pain and suffering, medical bills, those 30 people and their lawsuits, on top of never receiving business from them, their friends, their families...

How did Jack in the Box's reputation do after their food poisoning scandal? It eventually recovered, and now they're one of the safest places around.

You don't GET heaven on earth. Way I see it, you're reaching if you expect heaven ever, at all. But you do much better invoking someone's self interest than trying to play on their better nature. They may not have one.

And why would government do their job, anyways? Do you think they get fired if a company has an outbreak after they inspected it? What's their motivation to serve you?

I know that I can take a bite out of a burger because the meat that its made of has been inspected than if the company had no over sight and I had to depend on the "good nature" of the owners, like the banks took care of loans and used them as ways to make more money even though they knew the loans were bad!

The banks didn't give a damn because they were relying on that "too big to fail" crap where they were being jerkoffs BECAUSE they had a safety net. Once again, unintended consequences because of government meddling.

I think you missed my point: You can take a bite out of that burger because of who stands to lose out if it's bad.
Do you think the FDA (Wait, don't we mean USDA?) representative gets fired if restaurants he's inspected come up with food poisoning cases? I bet the quality control guy for the shipment from the meat co. gets fired. I bet the quality control guy from the restaurant gets fired...

You need to learn that a person's work ethic often depends on how badly they NEED to do a good job. Government just doesn't have that. Private enterprise is.

You don't have to depend on the "good nature" of any businessman, just make them an offer that explains how they'll come out ahead, and be sincere. Remember that you get to EARN your credit score, it's not a gift, or a curse. Does government have an equivalent?

It's not posted in the News section, it is posted under community. The people here can vote up or down whatever they want, and it never infringes on another person,... unlike statism.

If jungle law means no murder, no theft, no rape, no fraud, and no infringement on peaceful people.... then yes. If jungle law is not seeking to abolish these things, then no...

As if anarchists act like they are an island... lol, give me a break. We just don't like forcing peaceful people into things they disagree with.

I meant the succeeding government, meaning the branches of government following the ones that wrote the consitution

Ok, that government didn't follow the rule of law is the point.

I argue it is impossible to follow rule of law when the laws can be changed at any point. If you just had laws against victim crimes (like in anarcho-capitalism), that is the only way that rule of law can even come close to being adhered to it. Otherwise, the political busy bodies just change the laws to their favor... AWAY from voluntaryism, like what we have today. A society that is NOWHERE near voluntaryism, yet blames it for all its problems.

He may mean the Articles of Confederation-based management we had for a while.

Go take it with him.
Having such grandiose ideas for what government oughta do shows you had no idea how simple the original constitution was. Consider: It had to be comprehensible to farmers.

anarchists aren't against law, just against that monopoly that's hoarding it right now.
The one that will initiate violence against you if you try to start your own protection services, or arbitration.

"An anachist is anyone that does not need a Cop to tell him what to do." - Amon Anissi
When asked by a judge what an anachist is.

I bow to your complex and insightful logic.

I'll go with that. Anyone who insists they need cops to tell themselves what to do needs to get help... Anyone who insists EVERYONE else needs cops to tell them what they need to do needs to get some humility... Anyone who tells ME I need cops to make me do the right thing needs to get bent.

Yet you still type I'm amazed....

Why thank you. I'm proud of you. Admitting prior idiocy is the first step to recovery.

Stop stealing my civilization, looter.