Ron Paul Supporter VS Progressive at Occupy Wall Street

Then why is Britain trying to get rid of their National Health, and why is the European Union collapsing under it's debt.

Please don't generalize ALL of Europe as if it is one place. Northern European countries (like Denmark) have some of the highest tax rates out of anywhere on the planet and their unemployment sits currently below FIVE PERCENT. Legislation for tax code is complex, so generalizing ALL of Europe under one 'socialist' tent is fallacious. They Southern countries are all in trouble because they failed to finance their programs with sufficient revenue and hemorrhaged domestic jobs to outsourcing.

PS- I realize things aren't perfect in Great Britain at the moment (thought it is better then it is the States), but you'll notice i listed several other countries there. You have nothing to say about the rest of them?

Britain is getting rid of their health care system? Someone should tell the British that. I don't think they would approve. The EU is collapsing under it's debt? I guess it is up to that shining example of Libertarianism known as Germany to bail them out. I'll go out on a limb and say that perhaps our Wall Street had something to do with the global economic situation. Also the fact that tax dodging is a national pastime in Greece and Spain may have a role in the EUs burden.

I thought I did. The joined the European Union, a socialist dreamfest, a collusal failure that's overwhelming debt will cause it collapse which will cause unmeasurable damage the the world economy when it does.

Cameron is trying to, or at least cut it back. Doubt he will get very far, people don't like it when you take their freebies away. The German taxpayers are going to get tired of bailing out the rest of Europe very soon, they already have. Merkel and Sarkozy have already been having meetings on how to "reform" the EU. One of their ideas was for all EU countries to have a balanced budget by 2013. The only EU countries capable of having a balanced budget are Germany and France. They also want to have a eurobond treasury note where the debt burden is spread out across all EU countries, since no one is buying the rest of Europe's sovereign debt. It will fall apart, very soon, it's only a matter of time. And it will be very ugly when it does.

So you failed to address any of examples I provided, and instead chose to go with the classic Red Herring that you conservatives love to employ when you are totally wrong about something. Even if everyone in Europe is somehow guilty by association (which they are not), your totally ignoring the two HUGE non-European countries I mentioned.

But your right, it wasn't our de-regulated banking system - which turned a blind eye to corporate banks fraudulently using credit default swaps to keep disgusting amounts of predatory risk off their books, leading to the inevitable collapse of their 'insurance policy' and thus, all of finance in general - it was a 'socialist dream' of a plan, somehow enacted by ALL of Europe that did the wrong doing.

/sarcasm off

LULZ

Umm can you use small words please. :)

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Thanks I needed that

Really?!? There is no difference between those in the Flea Bag movement on Wall Street, Liberals, Leftists, Marxists, Communists, Progressives, they all have the same head-up-ass and in the clowds mentality, they respond like children when hit with facts they don't agree with, and have a strange, negative outlook on life in general.

Let's make a more accurate comparison: SandyBerman is more like a Bolshevik Commie agitator

Since when? Then why all the Obama posts?

For what? Wanting to free the people from the tyranny of government?

Can't really consider Ron Paul equal to Progressives sinincapable of understanding anything other than regression and pullback. His simplistic ideology is symbolic of his failure to conceptualize the complexities of today versus yester-century.

What the hell would we dco without the Federal Reserve. This is not several hundred years ago. We need modern solutions; the Fed is due for a bit of modernization but the demonization you give it is kind of stupid.

Oh yes how could we ever live with ourselves if we couldnt bailout those big banks. The federal reserve has set 5 trilliion dollars to banks overseas. How is that helping the 99% when the fed prints money it affect all of us. The prices of everything goes up.

I am not making any comment about Paul in particular at all,.....I simply like seeing this sort of discourse taking place on the street,.....a healthy social interaction.

So you prefer the status quo?

The Fed deserves every bit of demonization it gets and more.

He doesn't have one. He thinks we should stick with Obama.

My preference is for progress. Let's get beyond regressive tactics that cause great divides among citizens for idiotic ideas that have absolutely NO effect on life as we know it. The only time you would have felt the impact of the stupid debt debacle would have been if the stupids and more stupids had their way and stopped the government from paying obligations it had already purchased. The only ones that d ve felt it would have been the middle class and the poor.

Why be so deserate to find problems that simply do NOT exist. Why not focus on trying to improve the plight of millions ampongst the 99%ers that have not had the sao gain wealth beyond their wildest dreams because they had families to support and could not afford to take one cent away from family expenses to gamble on Wall Street.

If you could not figure out how it would possibly affect you, your life or your family, why the hell do you dwell on artificial platitudes?

The national debt will very much impact your life if we get downgraded again and China calls in their chips and it costs $100 to buy a loaf of bread. We owe $14 Trillion. That's trillion with a T. Government spending is absolutely unsustainable and if we don't cut it back to the bone, someone will force us to cut it, and we won't like their cuts, believe me. If you think you aren't impacted, just wait until we can no longer afford to send you your government check, which is going to happen, sooner rather than later, no matter what party is in charge, and then see how much you are impacted. I am all for progress, but not at the expense of the tax dollars for generations to come. Giving our tax dollars to companies that promptly file bankrupcty is not my idea of stimulus.

Yes. Education. Information.

Got any? Be specific, and please use facts, not epithets. I'll make my own decisions about who and what is racist, uninformed, backward or Koch bros centered.

Agreed ! Good call ! +^d !

It's going to take nothing short of a Constitutional amendment to truly get corporate money and influence out of our government. The ONLY way that's going to happen is if people from all backgrounds come together to make that happen. It's easy to discount and marginalize the "other" side when we disagree, but I really don't think that this is the time to be doing that.

The tactics of divide and conquer are alive and well, and the big corporations know it. The good news is that people are waking up to that reality, and I remain hopeful that a genuine populist uprising is going to be able to break the corporate stranglehold.

Thanks

Yepper, I share that hope.

( Corporate person-hood has GOT to go away )

The divide is nearly two centuries apart.