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Taxation Isn't Just Theft, It Is Also Armed Robbery and Kidnapping

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103 comments // Taxation Isn't Just Theft, It Is Also Armed Robbery and Kidnapping // Video

  • danT1m
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      danT1m  

    • When people refuse to pay their taxes on principle, they are routinely tortured to death by shipping them from prison to prison via "con air," which entails being shackled into a chair for many hours at a time. Think of a crowded flight in economy under normal circumstances x10 - and it never stops, even for sleep.

      If you are a collectivist, recognize and admit that you are a collectivist, and that you believe my body and mind are not my own, but belong to the community - because you clearly (I don't think there is dispute at this level, at least) believe that my property, the product of my blood, sweat and tears, is a feedbag for the community. Now replace "community" with "state", because the state is really not a community, is it? Arguably, a real community is composed of voluntary associations, just as rape cannot be called a "marriage." So: we do not belong to ourselves, we belong to the state (if I pay 30% tax now, why not 100% tomorrow, in utter servitude? The precedent is set - as is the trend). Invariably, a few wise and good people are in charge of the state - whether these leaders are hereditary, or elected, or they are are chosen from within a party "nomenclatura"/aristocracy of the peoples vanguard (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't seem to matter. The result seems to be that things get more violent, more corrupt and with more general poverty - until things fall apart.

      My question to the collectivist, then, is: if you don't trust people to form their own voluntary associations, to contract freely with their labor and keep the product of their labor (or perhaps even to decide for themselves what type of labor they will engage in - or who they will mate with - why not? They are nothing but cells in the larger organism, after all) then *why do you trust a small group of people at the top - more ambitious and individualistic by nature of their having climbed to the top - to administer the state? Anyway, just be honest. Admit that all the bombing of innocent civilians by the millions, the corruption, no-bid contracts, gross inefficiency, inevitable increase in state violence against it's citizens - all that - is simply "worth it" to you. It's not "just the way things are" - it's the way it is because *you have decided to go along with it.* You accept the state, warts and all, as primary over the individual. The historical record is clear: hundreds of millions murdered by the state in the 20th century alone - their own citizens, dissidents, "useless eaters," "selfish" property-owners and small business people - as a result of this doctrine. Hold your head up! Be proud! You are not a sensitive, weak and vulnerable human being - you are a cell in the body of a GREAT BEAST!

    • 1 year ago
  • cmc101
  • unimatrix0
    • -1
      unimatrix0  

    • Say, who is that vain and small minded little man preaching extreme right wing non-sense? Oh, it is Mike Shanklin, the libertarian spam merchant.

      Shanklin, you do more to educate people on the absurdity of libertarianism than anyone I know. You are proof that only the most pathetic imbecile would embrace the extreme libertarian non-sense you so poorly advocate for.

      Keep talking MIke - I love it when you humiliate yourself in public like this!

      Remember: Libertarianism is a simple-minded right-wing ideology ideally suited to those unable or unwilling to see past their own sociopathic self-regard.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
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      Almibry  

    • Let's just say for a minute that you aren't retarded, and your cause is just and you actually succeed in putting an end to taxation... What then? The American government collapses and we get invaded by China. Hell, in the chaos that would follow, Mexican cartels could invade and dominate us without much trouble. Who would stop it? Bank of America?
      Again: Don't be naive.
      Or stupid, for that matter.

    • 1 year ago
  • critic
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      critic [removed]  

    • When an individual is a member of a club he has a choice to be in or out of that club, it's called voluntary mutual concent! What is voluntary and mutual about the IRS stealing money from you at gun point? NOTHING!

    • 1 year ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • critic
    • -1
      critic [removed]  

    • No one has a right to steal, defraud and to use force to do it. That is what government does. It imposes services on people that they never agreed to. Another thing, while you are allowing them to steal money from you in the name of taxation. That money is used to kill innocent women and children in the middle east. 4,000 starving children leave us per hour, while billions of you tax dollars are spent on bombs creating death showers. You carry on advocating that you have to pay taxes "It's for the greater good" right on! Keep sending your money, keep murdering innocent women and children in different parts of the world! Your all doing a great job!

    • 1 year ago
  • hombre76
    • +1
      hombre76  
    • critic:

      "It imposes services on people that they never agreed to"

      Bull shit we have represintative taxation. you are the one tired of that getting in the way of your the strong take what they want morality.

    • 1 year ago
  • russ_tavares
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • +3
      Buckeye_Bill  

    • When an individual is a member of a club or organization, there are dues to be paid for the "benefits" of membership. With that stated, and no one can diagree with this concept, we can take it one more step to being a "member" of this society. Taxes for things to support services for the PUBLIC GOOD is paramount to receiving these "benefits" with living in this society. It is not robbery. As a matter of fact, someone who does not pay taxes to support the services that a civilized society needs to BE civilized is theft! You would be receiving services that you are not contributing to. As my comment below explains further what it would be like to life in a world where only Libertarians wish to reside.

      If we were to live in a Libertarian World, there would be NO fire or police departments as we know them today because Ron Paul calls them a "socialistic" endeavor. If you were to become ill or have an injury and no money to pay for hospital services, you're shit out of luck. If you have children you will need to find a school that you can afford to send them to because there would be NO public schools. If you were to be involved in a car accident, there would be NO ambulance to call for help unless you could afford to pay a private company for their services. Your water and sewage treatment plants would be privately owned since there would not be a publically supported system in place. There would not be streets or traffic signals PUBLICALLY supported because Libertarians feel that is a social issue, too. Local governments would not exist to install and maintain them because there would not exist a social system for that purpose. Public roads would not exist or be maintained by local, county, state or federal entities because that smacks of socialism, too.

      Whatever you see in the public sector that REQUIRES support through taxation, a Libertarian is against. Because it's a form of socialism to expect all of the government entities to build or maintain, or provide services, period.

      All one needs to do is replace the word public with private and then figure out how much that service will cost you PERSONALLY. Imagine what the world would look like?

      Need a service? How much are you willing to pay a private company to provide it. This is Libertarianism. You need something? Pay for it. No matter what it is.

      Think about if you were traveling to another state and didn't know who to call or how much they charged for a service you required? Or if you needed a cop. Or your car caught on fire and you needed a fire service to come and put the flames out. You'd have to, one, figure out who to call and then two, negotiate how much you would be willing to pay for their services rendered. If they felt like bartering the price they charge. These are all taxpayer government supported public service entities now. But they would all be customer-paid privately held service companies under a Libertarian.

      Think cab company. You need a ride, you call a cab and they tell you how much it costs for them to drive you ten miles. Now, replace cab with the word ambulance.

      And as Ron Paul states, it's either or....like a pregnant woman. Either she's pregnant or not...she can't be a little pregnant. There is no room for partial public and most private services. Either you're a Libertarian all the way or you're not.

      Uniformity would be tossed out the window. Continuity would not exist from town to town or state to state.

      Me? I'd rather be able to pick up a phone and dial 911 universally anywhere in this country if an emergency should arise.

      See how this would work out in a Libertarian society?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF8gQfGEvsc&feature=player_embedded

    • 1 year ago
  • pyrodice
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      pyrodice  
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    • Buckeye_Bill:

      "Need a service? How much are you willing to pay a private company to provide it. This is Libertarianism. You need something? Pay for it. No matter what it is."

      Did you think you weren't paying for it when government makes it happen? That's naive.

      Hey, I'd like Rural Metro mentioned.
      http://www.ruralmetro.com/

      "A Leading Provider of Private Ambulance and Fire Protection Services
      to Cities, Counties and Healthcare Systems Nationwide"
      we dial 911, we get them.

      You sound as if a lack of uniformity affects you personally... Which congressmen have you written about the different ages of consent in your neighboring states?

      Or are you just complaining because doing actual work would be HARD?

    • 1 year ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • +1
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • pyrodice:

      Obviously you did not read my rebuttal to what Ron Paul was stating as HIS stance on these issues. Even though I did post this thread, that does not indicate that I was in agreement of it.

      As a matter of fact, if you knew anything about me personally, you would know that I am in favor of all these "social services" being supported by one AND all!

      That way, no matter where I travel these United States of America, I can rest assured that whoever answers the phone call from my dialing 911, I will NOT have to negociate what I would be willing to pay for their responding to my or anyone elses emergency need at that time, whether it be for an ambulance, fire truck or police car to come to my aid!

      Okidoki?
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      My thoughts:

      If we were to live in a Libertarian World, there would be NO fire or police departments as we know them today because Ron Paul calls them a "socialistic" endeavor. If you were to become ill or have an injury and no money to pay for hospital services, you're shit out of luck. If you have children you will need to find a school that you can afford to send them to because there would be NO public schools. If you were to be involved in a car accident, there would be NO ambulance to call for help unless you could afford to pay a private company for their services. Your water and sewage treatment plants would be privately owned since there would not be a publically supported system in place. There would not be streets or traffic signals PUBLICALLY supported because Libertarians feel that is a social issue, too. Local governments would not exist to install and maintain them because there would not exist a social system for that purpose. Public roads would not exist or be maintained by local, county, state or federal entities because that smacks of socialism, too.

      Whatever you see in the public sector that REQUIRES support through taxation, a Libertarian is against. Because it's a form of socialism to expect all of the government entities to build or maintain, or provide services, period.

      All one needs to do is replace the word public with private and then figure out how much that service will cost you PERSONALLY. Imagine what the world would look like?

      Need a service? How much are you willing to pay a private company to provide it. This is Libertarianism. You need something? Pay for it. No matter what it is.

      Think about if you were traveling to another state and didn't know who to call or how much they charged for a service you required? Or if you needed a cop. Or your car caught on fire and you needed a fire service to come and put the flames out.. You'd have to one, figure out who to call and then two, negotiate how much you would be willing to pay for their services rendered. If they felt like bartering the price they charge. These are all taxpayer government supported public service entities now. But they would all be customer-paid privately held service companies under a Libertarian.

      Think cab company. You need a ride, you call a cab and they tell you how much it costs for them to drive you ten miles. Now, replace cab with the word ambulance.

      And as Ron Paul states, it's either or....like a pregnant woman. Either she's pregnant or not...she can't be a little pregnant. There is no room for partial public and most private services. Either you're a Libertarian all the way or you're not.

      Uniformity would be tossed out the window. Continuity would not exist from town to town or state to state.

      Me? I'd rather be able to pick up a phone and dial 911 universally anywhere in this country if an emergency should arise.

      See how this would work out in a Libertarian society?
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      fini

    • 1 year ago
  • russ_tavares
    • -1
      russ_tavares  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      "My thoughts:

      If we were to live in a Libertarian World, there would be NO fire or police departments as we know them today because Ron Paul calls them a "socialistic" endeavor."

      Obviously YOU didn't read what *I* said. Rural metro IS A PRIVATE PROVIDER of 911 service, and just like when you get to the hospital, bleeding, they don't stop to haggle with you, you get fucking served. Fire isn't a socialistic endeavor, it's a community one. Police, however, do more harm than good. Private security are at least liable for any failures they suffer.

      "Think about if you were traveling to another state and didn't know who to call or how much they charged for a service you required?"

      How about you do your damn homework? I don't move between states without knowing their income tax rates, school district information, property taxes, sales taxes, gun carrying laws... Why should any other kind of ignorance be treated more kindly? You're moving your LIFE, for christ's sakes... Look it up!

      "Think cab company. You need a ride, you call a cab and they tell you how much it costs for them to drive you ten miles. Now, replace cab with the word ambulance."

      Now replace "Cab" with "pizza", remember that they're not making their money off the ride, add the word "competition", and now consider that my brother, who works dispatch overnight at the fire station (which is volunteer, by the way, and works just fine), gets about one real call a year, but there's one hypochondriac who calls up about once a month with some imaginary symptom and wants a ride to the hospital. Do you think that guy would stop crying wolf if they DID put the ambulance trip on his tab? Tragedy of the commons. Basic economics. If cost is zero, demand is unlimited, and supply takes a solid gut-punch.

    • 1 year ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • +2
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • russ_tavares:

      I replied to pyrodice and didn't YET read your comment, so I fail to see how you interjected yourself into the conversation I was sharing with him, or her, whichever the case may be.

      So....since you have shown no respect towards moi, I shall ignore your post and go about MY business.

      To each their own....you with yours...and me with mine.

      Capiche`?

      Have a nice evening.

    • 1 year ago
  • noxidereus
    • +3
      noxidereus  

    • The Libertarian philosophy boils down to this quote (taken from the comments section of this page), "it is MINE, not yours".

    • 1 year ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • +2
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • noxidereus:

      The the rivers, the lakes, the hills, the valleys, the mountains...belong to us all.

      The road system, the public structures, the government....also belong to us all.

      We ALL must share in their building AND maintenance.

      That's what makes us a society.

      Share...and share alike. We all should be invested in the future of this nation.

      What's so wrong with that?

      So, what belongs to "MINE"? As Elizabath Warren stated, no corporation could deliver their merchandise to stores without a road system. No one could create wealth without transportation services that is owned, operated and it's upkeep without all sharing the burden by public taxation through the purchase of fuel, tags or tolls.

    • 1 year ago
  • noxidereus
    • -1
      noxidereus  

    • Unfair wages are theft. Raping the land of the resources that belong to everybody is theft. Poisoning the water with pesticides, chemicals, ans waste in the name of profit is theft. Private ownership of natural resources is theft. Passing off trying to save rich people from having to give back to the society that enriched them as freedom is bullshit. Convincing people that we should give up government rather than reclaiming it for the people and making it serve us and protect us from greedy bastard profiteers is attempted theft of the only power that people could possibly have against the machines of profit that enslave us.

    • 1 year ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • noxidereus:

      Howdy, Nox!

      I was wondering, have I shared this video with you? It BEST describes how I feel about WHO built this nation into what it was, is AND will be!

      The rich ALWAYS takes the credit, the "lion's share" AND title for what is taken from the NATURAL RESOURCES of this country, like oil, coal, gas, timber, water, soil, minerals, etc., etc., that they are just about GIVEN to thme by OUR government....things that should BELONG TO ALL OF US, and then make gobs of money, using OUR labor to create, build or facillitate the used of and GRUDGINGLY shares crimbs with us....the WORKERS!

      The rich act like THEY built the skyscrapers, bridges, roads, all those government buildings and infrastructures like dams that begerate electricty and such. They couldn't find the working end of a hammer or saw if their lives depended on it!

      WE'RE the masons, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, all laborers!

      By the sweat of OUR BROWS these things were created!

      The rich has stolen OUR thunder!

      Like this video best illistrates better than my words would ever do!

      }8^)

    • 1 year ago
  • russ_tavares
    • +1
      russ_tavares  
    • noxidereus:

      Any resource that "belongs to everybody" belongs to nobody.
      Anyone who works for a wage has AGREED to work for that wage, because he's better off than when he was unemployed.

      Private ownership is a RIGHT. If you'll call that theft, you've outed yourself as a sociopath. You WILL recognize my rights. If you try to take them from me, I will defend against you as any other thief.

    • 1 year ago
  • noxidereus
    • -1
      noxidereus  
    • russ_tavares:

      So it's ok because choosing to be a slave over being homeless is a good thing right? It's totally ok to pay workers less than what their work is worth.

      Who does water that falls from the sky as rain belongs to? What if someone owned all of the water on Earth? Then what? That water belongs to everyone.

      There are no such things as rights. There are temporary privileges as George Carlin would say. There is no such thing as private ownership. These are merely human concepts agreed upon, but you act as if they are part of natural law. Who says you own your land? The ants who live on your land don't give two little ant turds that you hold a piece of paper that says that you own it. They don't care. Private ownership is not absolute. It is a concept in which people agree that you own it. Private ownership is a product of the human mind.

      Calling me a sociopath while calling me a thief and threatening me is ... well ... funny. "Ironic" would probably fit here too. We are just expressing opinions here, there is no reason to get hostile.

      PS
      I don't want anything that's yours so you can relax there, chief.

    • 1 year ago
  • russ_tavares
    • 0
      russ_tavares  
    • noxidereus:

      Again you persist in this debunked "slave" talk. So you think someone paying you money has you as his slave... But someone taking your money away is doing you a favor? Where were you raised? Eastasia? Oceania?

      If someone owned all the water on earth (what a ridiculous idea) then you'd start charging him hundreds of thousands of gallons for a hamburger, wouldn't you?

      To state that there are no such things as rights either shows someone who's always BEEN the bully, or someone with no self-respect at all. Not that those are mutually exclusive...
      Clearly you're espousing that agreements between human beings are irrelevant because things exist which are not human. Perhaps when you're found shot in the desert someday, your tombstone might read "looked like a homicide, but it was just dinnertime for buzzards.

      I laugh that you consider a statement of self-defense to be threatening you. Could you be ANY clearer that you intend to take what's mine?
      I agree: homeowners with guns ARE threatening to thieves.

      You've made it clear that you need taxes, so you think people in general won't do the things necessary to sustain society unless someone makes them... like parents make children eat their vegetables. That's as close to the projection of one's sociopathic self on the masses as you'll ever see. Recognize that most humans are adults, treat them like it, and stop thinking your ideas are superior.

      If you think you need people with guns to make you do the right thing... Get help.

      If you think everyone else needs people with guns to make you do the right thing... Get humble.
      If you think *I* need people with guns to make me do the right thing... Get bent.

    • 1 year ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • shanklinmike
  • shanklinmike
  • noxidereus
  • russ_tavares
  • noxidereus
  • russ_tavares
  • hombre76
  • Anna_Yeisley
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      Anna_Yeisley  

    • Voluntary taxation was the way it was done up until 1913. A specific need was posed to state legislatures, The citizenry voted for this tax or that tax but only according to the state's ability to pay since all worked from a balanced budget perspective. This resulted in the federal government being focused upon ensuring healthy state economy; because they received none unless the states had money over expenses.

      The present taxation system takes money out of the pocket of us all before we feed, clothe or shelter ourselves or our families. Government gets paid regardless if it has supported or deflated individual wealth (it is individual wealth that creates state income).

      If you got paid whether you performed a service or not, would you perform those services? Why would you? What other business gets paid before it does anything by those that pay it?

      Government is even more inclined to steal than an individual or a business because it cannot create its own income. It depends upon the fruit of our labor. Back in the day when the federal taxation system was based upon expendable income and specific need that the citizenry deemed important, the citizenry would vote FOR the tax. If the state did not make enough expendable income and/or the specific need was unimportant, they did not vote for that tax.

      Those that corrupted government didn't like having to pass everything through the citizenry. In 1913 the federal reserve system was created so that the corporatists that infiltrated our government could spend money for what they wanted without needing citizenry or state approval. Powerful and wealthy enough to bribe and threaten the federally elected representatives and coerce the legislature to appoint judges of their choice; then the same powerful entities bought up the media - what the citizenry wants or needs can easily (and has been for a century) disregarded and counted as unimportant.

      Yet, they rob us of over a third of our income without our consent and without any citizenry need for most of the money spent.

      The federal income tax does not pay for roads, school or healthcare, the states do. The federal income tax pays for the interest to the Federal Reserve owed to them for printing valueless paper money. The Fed turns around and loans that money to its banking cronies and war profiteers. There is no connection between supporting individual wealth because federal income tax takes our money whether we can afford it or not. It is highway robbery that has been accepted due to an education system that creates robotic non thinkers indoctrinated to believe taxes are for their own good and that patriotism is saying the pledge of allegiance to a flag and teaching government is a benevolent god-like entity beyond approach.

      Libertarian gobblygook? Ridiculous? Those that accept the federal income tax system with its naturally inherent reprehensible collection of money when no service discernable is provided are the crazies around here.

      There's tons of books and information and videos about the unsustainability of the federal income tax as managed and collected by the Federal Reserve. Read Ron Paul and G Edward Griffin. Those that support the Federal Reserve the federal income tax do so out of indoctrination and programming not intelligent analytical or rational thinking.

    • 1 year ago
  • Anna_Yeisley
    • -4
      Anna_Yeisley  

    • Considering the ordained duty of government is to PROTECT the life, liberty and property of American sovereigns, taxation is the epitome of governmental plunder. Voluntary taxation, on the other, that is, taxes that are agreed upon and voted upon by the citizenry is the only taxation system for a free republic.

      While you may hear politicians claim that our taxation system is voluntary, try not paying your taxes and you will not only be robbed of property (your money, is YOUR property) you also risk being robbed of your liberty thanks to the unconstitutional agency known as the IRS (an agency that answers NOT to the public or Congress but to the (once again) unconstitutional (talk about theft) Federal Reserve banking system.

    • 1 year ago
  • SpecialAgent86
  • AugusteLumiere
  • Anna_Yeisley
  • Paratus
  • Paratus
  • remanns
    • +3
      remanns  

    • All social interaction is "trade" of some sort - including taxes.

      I'm not really saying that society shouldn't be AVOIDED as much as possible,.....really,.....if I had a cave and 200 acres of survivable territory . . .

      ( Going off the grid entirely aint such a bad idea,.... don't get me wrong, but as long as you're around where neighbors can notice you AT ALL,.......well,.......let the 'non-consensual' BARTER BEGIN ! There is no escaping the social contract without functionally escaping society. )

    • 1 year ago
  • SpecialAgent86
  • shanklinmike
  • remanns
  • remanns
    • +2
      remanns  
    • SpecialAgent86:

      p.s. - actually,....I think that arrangement is more properly attributed to "culture" ( for the most part ),....virtually all "tribal" cultures and small population community social networks.

      CIVILIZATION -[ A society in an advanced state of social development (e.g., with complex legal and political and religious organizations)
      "the people slowly progressed from barbarism to civilization"]
      . . .includes such gems as mass slavery,....indentured servitude, chattel wives,....
      endearing terms like "Boy" -

      barbarians tend to have FAR more class than the "civilized", and are seldom as routinely casually rude.

    • 1 year ago
  • Anonmaly
    • -3
      Anonmaly  

    • Not to mention all the "pork barrel" spending your favorite politician brings home to your state....

      We have the most incarcerated nation per capita on the earth..... Taxes paying for all those trials, all those lawyers, all those judges, all those enslaved... Mostly the impoverished, around 40% directly related to non violent drug offenses....

      Taxes going to take your own rights away, but that's okay....?

      And it's not about helping people, all your smear campaigns aside many people don't want to pay taxes simply for what they're spent on. That's why rich people have so many things they can give their money to to avoid taxes...

      It's all about money, and any serious tax evader has to do is simply agree to pay a lawyer a percentage and gets the tax-debt cut into almost nothing anyway...

      But enjoy your tax-paying, your wage slavery, your debt slavery, your society built and maintained to protect the rights of a few that don't even pay taxes... But I'll be damned if a poor man doesn't want to pay taxes.. Never-mind GE gets away legally with paying NONE....

      Yeah when the corporations pay near even a share of taxes, until then those suggesting people that are practically slaves need to "pay their taxes"..... Need only look at Wall-Street to see why the very suggestion is offensive....

      (wish you European colonists would take your nappy asses back home...)

    • 1 year ago
  • AugusteLumiere
  • MrCreosote
  • SpecialAgent86
  • remanns
    • +3
      remanns  
    • Anonmaly:

      Folks really should annotate a vote down to a post with a " -vd " ( or the like ),.....hit n run cowardly back-stab assassinvotes are boorish . We may not always agree, but if I vote something down, I let someone know. Boooooooooo to whoever "down voted" you and did not sign it; a craven act.

    • 1 year ago
  • Anonmaly
  • Anonmaly
    • -3
      Anonmaly  

    • Ha Ha.... Fascists, go tax yourselves....

      Fund schools that have been repeatedly shown to be many many times as ineffective as homeschooling that could be provided even by the impoverished....

      (By ineffective i mean, public schools make blind, complacent, obedient sheep.... Do yourselves a favor and go read "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America", have a professional in the realm of government education tell you the truth.....)

      That's what's wrong, you brain children all went to public school, because mommy and daddy were serving corporate tax(oops I mean task)-masters.... So.... Unimpressive, and the mob-think downing of the truth... What you sheep work for the DoD, government paying your bills with their slack ass services...

      Lmao, hate it for you, but history demonstrates ALL empires fall.....

    • 1 year ago
  • AugusteLumiere
  • SpecialAgent86
  • Varex_Sythe
    • +2
      Varex_Sythe  
    • Anonmaly:

      "Fund schools that have been repeatedly shown to be many many times as ineffective as homeschooling that could be provided even by the impoverished...."

      The reason why home schooling seems so effective by comparison is because those who do the home schooling usually received at least a decent education that went at least through high school. And that decent education was one where the average student to teacher ratio was lower than it is today. Not only that but schools were better funded for those times and provided a larger selection of classes. Today a lot of schools are cutting creative classes in favor of the basics (math, science and English) largely because of No Child Left Behind which puts way too much emphasis on standardized tests.

      "That's what's wrong, you brain children all went to public school, because mommy and daddy were serving corporate tax(oops I mean task)-masters.... So.... Unimpressive, and the mob-think downing of the truth... What you sheep work for the DoD, government paying your bills with their slack ass services..."

      A large portion of us received our public education before No Child Left Behind, so it is a fair bet that when we received our education from trained professionals in decently sized classrooms with a healthy number of options to help us cultivate our creative minds, we also received a better education than kids who have to learn from their mother and/or father who only received anything less than a bachelors degree (masters degree in some states since some actually require a masters for a teacher actually teach).

    • 1 year ago
  • shanklinmike
  • tverdell
    • 0
      tverdell  

    • But where is your patriotism.

      You don't support bombing of civilians yet it's OK if it's done in your name under your flag.

      And I agree with taxation -- feeding the beast.

    • 1 year ago
  • shanklinmike
    • +4
      shanklinmike [removed]  
    • tverdell:

      Dropping bombs on innocent civilians is not okay in my name, and the voluntaryist flag has never claimed a life... unlike every statist/nation flag the world over... I want to end all countries, and enable true freedom. Drop the racist government borders, end the theft and pillaging.... stop the use of violence on peaceful people... Truly, I claim no flag... just the non-aggression principle.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGqeSabcSiw

    • 1 year ago
  • Anonmaly
    • -5
      Anonmaly  

    • Wait Native American Indians didn't pay taxes....

      Europeans came here and brought that idea, along with imperialism, small pocks, arrogance, slavery (just all around stupidity and hypocrisy really)...

      So yeah to that one trifling commentator liking to say those not agreeing with this current corrupt system "need to leave the country".... No, why don't you leave the country, and take your fascist, imperialist swine, oligarchs, and wanna-be oligarchs with you......

      & don't forget to report us to Obomb-ya's favortie site; attackwatch.com....

      Talk about shit, the death toll on U.S. servicemen under Obamb-ya's continued effort in Afghanistan has already surpassed the death toll under 8 years of Bush...

      http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/17/us-deaths-in-afghanistan-obama-doubles-entire...

      But you guys just continue to be happy to fund death on both sides, more drone bases, more all of it.... While insisting peaceful people do the same through taxes....

    • 1 year ago
  • AugusteLumiere
  • remanns
    • +3
      remanns  
    • Anonmaly:

      " . . .your fascist, imperialist swine, oligarchs, and wanna-be oligarchs "
      heh heh heh . . .

      ( that made me grin,....I think my psychological need for a little rant therapy has been sated for the morning ! that went down well with the coffee . )

    • 1 year ago
  • russ_tavares
  • pyrodice
    • 0
      pyrodice  
    • Anonmaly:

      I don't think the native americans are the best example, since anyone paying attention will point out that they were a stone-aged culture when Europeans got here. Can we come up with something better?

    • 1 year ago
  • MrCreosote
  • SpecialAgent86
  • AugusteLumiere
    • +2
      AugusteLumiere [removed]  

    • • Do you feel that you shouldn't have to pay your fair share as a member of this society???

      FINE!

      • Stay off the roads that our taxes contributed to, don't use electricity you can't generate yourself, don't go to the hospital, don't call the police, don't call the fire department, don't watch television.

      • If you have kids (god forbid) don't send them to public schools (or really any schools for that matter) because they may get teachers who were educated at public and state universities.

      • Don't go to art museums, don't walk on public sidewalks, don't use telephones, don't expect potable water to come out of your tap unless you got it from your own well, don't ever seek protection in a court of law.

      • Enforce your own contracts... and while you're at it, dig your own sewers as well.

      In general, stand on your own... I don't feel people like you should benefit from anything that the rest of us helped pay for.... which reminds me...

      • Whatever you have in the bank, be sure to sign a waiver exempting you from being able to collect whatever portion of your money is insured by the FDIC.

      • Grow your own food and raise your own beef and poultry so that you don't have to depend on the USDA to insure that you won't be poisoning yourselves (or your children)...

      • Make your own medicines as well, because the USDA has to approve those, too.

      In other words, you ‘rugged individualists’... put all that money that you hoard where your mouths are and "STAND TALL"..

      ON YOUR OWN.

      I mean REALLY stand on your own... JUST as you incessantly preach everyone else do.

      Otherwise, just shut the fuck up already.

    • 1 year ago
  • SpecialAgent86
  • Almibry
  • Anonmaly
    • -2
      Anonmaly  
    • AugusteLumiere:

      Actually been standing on my own for quite some time, and would have (ALL) the medicine I need growing if it weren't for fascists... Yes some of us even try to make bricks with no straw.... Anything for Pharaoh....

      But hey go fund some murder for me will ya?

    • 1 year ago
  • AugusteLumiere
  • HellenaHandbasket
  • SpecialAgent86
  • AugusteLumiere
  • russ_tavares
  • TheOneAndOnlyJesusChristAlmighty
  • Anonmaly
  • AugusteLumiere
  • shanklinmike
  • HellenaHandbasket
  • AugusteLumiere
  • HellenaHandbasket
  • shanklinmike
    • +3
      shanklinmike [removed]  
    • HellenaHandbasket:

      So you are making ANOTHER THREAT on me?!? No, I bought my property, my land, my house... it is MINE, not yours. I have the right to live on my property and you cannot steal it from me. I do NOT have to move just to escape your slavery... that is not how this is suppose to work. I can live freely without your violence and terrorism threats. I will stay right here on my land, and you do NOT have the right to infringe on me nor other peaceful people. Sorry if that ruins your central plan.... but I am NOT your slave.

    • 1 year ago
  • Anonmaly
    • -6
      Anonmaly  

    • On some levels I would agree....

      I would also agree with a "maximum wage"

      Maybe taxation would be fair if it went to the things you personally agree to fund.... I wouldn't fund; war, prisons, NASA (sorry Tang wasn't that impressive), any number of things I wouldn't want percentages of my money going to.

      But when we are all collectively funding; the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, the police states ever growing intrusion into all citizens lives, a "space agency" that has really just laid down the ground work for multibillionaire entrepreneurs, things that are ethically or morally questionable, all these other non-sense things.... I don't want to pay any fucking taxes...

      Didn't Robin Hood become Robin Hood over missing paying taxes because he was off at war, they stole his property, so he went postal...? Some issue like that?

      Who are getting our taxes and why? Fine tax me, but what for..? That would be mine/many other peoples issue and it's quite valid.

      But to take my money, not even give me a say over where it goes, don't even let me live in a free country for that matter.... (I'm sorry our government has been hijacked by big business) The Wall-Street guys broke laws, and are still making billions, but protest it and go to jail? WTF is that about, because it certainly isn't freedom....

      On top of that we don't have freedom of religion in this country. I'm a Christian, and if you want to get specific a Rastafarian, but hell no my religious sacrament is "outlawed" for whatever reasons, when the usage of my sacrament is less dangerous than the usage of wine used by the Catholic church....? That's fuct up....

      So we don't live in a free country, we have corporations controlling the government, I am not entitled to my peaceful religious freedom, and you want to take my money as corporate socialism that happens to be used to not only murder people in other countries to obtain resources, but to incarcerate my brothern for using religious sacraments....?

      No I don't want to pay taxes, if you'd like me to donate time or money to something positive fine, but it borders on (if it isn't) sinful to willingly give money to the government when they use it the way they do.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ

      Let Brother Ali tell you a little about where your tax money goes, and how many people feel about it....

    • 1 year ago
  • Milieu
    • +3
      Milieu  

    • Typical dead fish brain.

      The level of his logic is right up there with the dumbest syllogism:

      Major premise: God is love.
      Minor Premise: Love is blind.
      Conclusion: Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
    • +4
      Almibry  

    • YAY PROPAGANDA!!!
      *sarcasm*
      (normally I wouldn't bother with that little disclaimer, but I think you might miss it otherwise; delusion does that Mike)
      You can keep your damned money Mike, I won't take it from you, I won't report you either.
      However, I want every child (even children who aren't related to me) to have a decent eduction, police/military protection, public transport and yes, I want them to have fucking roads too. I WANT to pay for them because I do not trust the private sector to give a good God damn about anything other than their bottom line. Neither would you if you had any sense because the bottom line does not care about the pain and suffering of others, in fact it probably increases the profit margin for a special few because kids will work for free, people who are too afraid to sleep at night due to crime will be worried about something other than striking for better wages and working conditions (after all, if the mine collapes with you inside, at least itwill be a clean death, unlike the one the thugs down the street will offer you) and protection isn't cheap assholes.
      So go move to some place like Wako or some anarchist "community" with like minded people who masturbate to the image of Ayn Rand and keep your damn money and your damned propaganda to yourself because it's not theft when I don't have any qualms with giving it up.
      In other words: Don't be so naive.
      -V'd your whole damn post.

    • 1 year ago
  • Anonmaly
    • -4
      Anonmaly  
    • Image
    • Almibry:

      Why you gotta be so hateful.... Is it the guilt of those tax dollars funding the murder of innocent civilians, those poor children overseas you don't see? Is it the Depleted Uranium babies the U.S. have caused to be born mutated..? You care so much about with your tax dollars?

      http://www.tuberose.com/Graphics/Depleted%20Uranium%20Baby.1.jpg

      There you go one of the many things the government you have so much faith in has done with our tax dollars, bravo.....

      Oh yeah you care about the children.... Did notice the government is giving those tax dollars to private corporations that are in the business of murder and terror?

      If those private companies are so good at that don't you think a private company can handle a little education?

    • 1 year ago
  • ampersand
  • Almibry
  • Almibry
  • HellenaHandbasket
  • trut
    • -3
      trut  

    • you know what else is theft? driving or even walking on a road you didn;t personally work on or pay for directly. that is theft and criminal trespass.
      Right mike? did you enter into a contract to use that road mike? I saw you using it and since you aren;t in to any form of 'collectivism' you should immediately turn yourself in.

    • 1 year ago
  • Marcus_Wilson
    • -7
      Marcus_Wilson  
    • trut:

      That doesn't make any sense trut. None of us have any choice as to whether or not we want to pay for those roads you're referencing. That's the point and that's why it's THEFT and not DONATION.

    • 1 year ago
  • shanklinmike
  • trut
    • 0
      trut  
    • shanklinmike:

      privatize the oceans, privatize the rain, privatize the sun. Who is to decide to whom everything belongs to mike? Courts? who is going to pay for these courts? or should i say forced to pay for these courts?

    • 1 year ago
  • trut
  • Almibry
    • +3
      Almibry  
    • Marcus_Wilson:

      You DO have a choice: leave America.
      3rd world countries can't afford an IRS, or they can't afford to enforce it. Make like an immigrant and find some place that does it the way you like it.
      Like it or not, taxation (in part) makes America great and I don't want you fucking with my country. If you don't like it leave. Seriously. Just pack up and move the fuck out. You have that option. Quit pretending you're stuck in some blackhole where the gravity is too great to escape. If you can't afford a plane ticket, fucking walk. You can choose to do that. Millions (likely billions) before you have done exactly that TO GET HERE so you CAN DO IT TO LEAVE.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • Almibry
  • shanklinmike
    • +1
      shanklinmike [removed]  
    • Almibry:

      Voluntaryists choose to work, we choose to trade, and we can live on our property no matter what you want or think.... Sorry, but you have NO CHOICE when it comes to MY LIFE! I am a peaceful person.... leave us peaceful people alone!

    • 1 year ago
  • shanklinmike
  • Almibry
  • unimatrix0
    • 0
      unimatrix0  
    • shanklinmike:

      Your property - how do you have property without the state? Without the state property simply belongs to who ever can take and maintain that property by force. Do you even think through your own idiotic claims?

    • 1 year ago
  • russ_tavares
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