Russian Foreign Minister issues grave warning to Israel and the West

havent you claimed multiple attacks on various holidays?

Wager?

I hope you're right but don't forget the Reptards. They're beating the crap outta them drums.

They are definitely insane and dangerous. If more and more people can recognize this, they won't be able to pull it off.

I agree 100%

agreed

yes that is exactly what it is.
it cant have anything to do with the idea that nuclear weapons are bad, or that iran is a major sponser of global terrorism.that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

it must be cuz you have just decided that all of a sudden iran has become a target for conquest for no reason.that must be it

israel is engaged in a very active war with their nieghbors, and what you cite is part of it for better or worse.

iran on the other hand has no conflict from wich to engage and in action is pursuing a coarse that only seeks one.

do you really want to get into the sematics over what "terrorism" is when no one is remotely afraid of israel?really?

Yeah, this neo-liberal crap needs to be thrown out with the bath water.

Nothing but pure murder.

Do you not think the Palestinians are afraid of Israel?

do any of their actions seem like fear?
dropping 10,000 rockets what you would do to some one u fear?

People become desperate and are capable of doing some crazy things when they are cornered. I'm not condoning it. Just trying to imagine myself in their shoes.

no problem with that.but thy arent terrified, or even remotely inhibited at all.

angry,pissed,enfuriated,dissillusioned,maddened,reactionary,hatefull,hurt,belittled,demeaned, but not afraid.that is for sure.

The only ones we see are those who possess the traits you mention, and yes, there are plenty of those. What we don't see are the ten who are hiding inside in fear for every one who is out on the line.

And of course there are many Israelis who live in fear as well from all the crap going down.

thing is you arent going to see those ten, cuz the palestinians in being so not afraid come to the israelis.so all those present, are so,as aresult of not being afraid to approach.
wether its fuking with soldiers at a check point, or harassin people on the street.

i have no doubt about israelis being terrorized.but tht wasnt the question.it was israel being th terrorst.wich hey are not as proven by the palestinians reaction to israel's efforts, wich are void of fear.

israelis on the other hand are generaly terrified of the palestinians.and with good reason.

If possessing nuclear weapons was such a horrible thing to allow then Israel would never have been allowed to possess them. To allow one to have security from attack while denying it to others is the epitome of hypocrisy

yes it is the epitome of hypocrisy, but has also been the status quo for decades wich has resulted in nations not blowing one another up.so wether it is fair or unfair, the greater issue and good is not changing that situation.

and that is actualy kind of the point in all this, wich is israel as well as north korea have shown us what happens when this problem isnt adressed.with each nation who gets nukes that they arent supposed to get, inspires others, and once each has them it is a point ya cant come back from.

allowing iran to have nukes, is like deciding teen pregnancy is a bad, but dont bother with condoms or even pulling out.we all know the results are not good, and only serve the will of the few in the short at the detriment of the many in the long.

do ya fight a lil, or do ya just say "eh sex feels good so i guess thier is nothing we can do, let em knock each other up all they want?"

"We all know the results are not good".... this is pure conjecture on your part. I would say that Iran having nukes is a good thing. They should have acquired them decades ago, if they had there would be millions of people still alive today. The history of nuclear weapons has been stellar in preventing bloodshed, and let us not forget that only one nation ever has had the necessary lack of ethical restraint and actually used them.

The only thing that will ever ensure Iranian sovereignty is nuclear weapons, the West has been demonstrating that nothing else will prevent them from imposing their will upon whoever they wish to. Just like N Korea, it is only when Iran has nukes will the use of military force as a tool of 'diplomacy' be taken off the table. Nukes prevent the blowing up of nations, they don't cause it.

well im sorry but the world finds nuke a negative.
peace

Even if Iran is capable of developing its nuclear program to a level of weaponization, which its still far from achieving -if we're assuming they're pursuing such a plan- Iran will not nuke anybody. The only interest Iran would have in attaining a nuclear arsenal is to level the field with Israel. Its referred to as Mutually Assured Destruction. Of course the concept of MAD has several flaws and does not guarantee peace, but the idea that Iranians are nuts that just want to nuke Israel as soon as they can is much more flawed.

I agree with you, however, in that the US unconditional support for Israel is nuts.

only one is a theocracy.other wise israel would have surely nuked any number of arab nations by now

you are right.the likely hood (although not impossible) is that iran wouldnt nuke anyone.but that isnt the issue unless you are a crazy religious nut who thinks the other guys are crazy religious nuts too, ie evangelics.

the issue is that proliferation of nuclear weapons in and of itself is only detrimental to global stability.nuclear proliferation in the middle east wich is beyond unstable is exponentialy detrimental,regardless of wich nation is doing it.

the iran factor even further press's the matter as they hold a policy of supplying aggression.
not that we or the soviets dont, as the world is full of our weapons.but as bad as we may be in this regard, we at least have some interest in stability, and dont proliferate weapons to the degree that iran does.

a nuclear iran means a nuclear world.not a world of nuclear nations, a world in wich nuclear weapons are added to the shopping lists of those who are already buying explosive,katushas,and rpgs.

our support of israel has no bearing on this in reality, but is a talking point.like "they hate us for our freedom" type crap.

Viewing the issue of nuclear proliferation in Iran as a matter of crazy religious nuts vs other crazy religious nuts is also a talking point like the type you mentioned “They hate us for our freedom”.

I agree nuclear proliferation makes the world a worse place, but nuclear proliferation isn’t the issue here. Not when a blind eye is turned to Israel’s arsenal. Nor when Iran is called to ratify additional protocols to the NPT but denied the rights entitled to it as a signatory of the NPT. As I mentioned, if anything, a nuclear weapon in the hands of the Iranian government would only add stability, as well as checks on Israel’s aggressive behavior.

Nukes in the Middle East does not mean terrorists will all of a sudden get their hands on them. Pakistan, which is known for supporting terrorist organizations, has nuclear missiles. If the “war on terror” is the primary concern then pressure should be put on Pakistan not Iran. India and Pakistan both have nuclear weapons and they have an even greater crisis over the Kashmir region then Israel and Iran have over Palestine. Yet they have still to nuke each other, even though they went to war when they were both possessing nuclear missiles back in 1999. In fact the last war between the two nations, the only war in which they possessed nuclear capabilities, was the most limited war out of the 4 Indo-Pakistani wars of the 20th century. I’m not saying nuclear weapons are a solution, but they do not imply all out war. Besides, if Iran is developing nuclear missiles, there not gonna hand millions of dollars worth of missiles that took ages to build to some rogue organization. They’re not stupid.

Iran has a policy of supplying aggression. What does that even mean? Who doesn’t? Israeli aggression is just as bad if not worse. What global terrorism is Iran sponsoring? Hezbollah? Once again, if terrorism was the issue Pakistan should be under fire not Iran.

Besides, Iran’s pursuit of nuclear enrichment, just like many other issues in the Middle East that the US and Israel regard as problems (such as Hezbollah and Hamas) are results of hawkish Israeli and US foreign policy. Iran is only enriching uranium because it has been pushed into a corner.

“We at least have some interest in stability.” No you don’t. Just like any other nation, the US is only interested in the status quo when it benefits it, and takes any means necessary to disrupt stability it does not agree with. No history lesson needed here. What do you mean “don’t proliferate nuclear weapons to the degree Iran does?”. You have a massive nuclear arsenal. Iran has only recently enriched uranium to 20%, which is still enough to make nukes, but as far as quality goes quite cheap. You want the best quality nukes money can buy? I’m pretty sure your tax dollars getting it.

“Our support of Israel has no bearing on this in reality”. I have to strongly disagree with you here. Numerous security council vetoes do not affect reality? Foreign policy practically subordinated to Israel does not affect reality? Annual military and economic aid ranging in the billions neither? The only reason Israel has been able to consistently violate human rights, commit war crimes, and murder international activists (not to mention the countless innocent civilians and children killed as “collateral damage”), without bearing sanctions and repercussions from the international community is unconditional US support.

The discussion has steered a bit towards Israel rather than Iran. I’d prefer it if we stick to Iran but I understand if you want to raise any points regarding those I’ve made concerning Israel.

what israeli aggressive behavior?

nukes in the middle east does not mean terrorists will get their hands on them.nukes in iran means terrorists will get their hands on them.

they are pushed into a corner?
russia goes to bat for them,cuz iran is to them what saudi arabai is to us.i dont think one could imagine any nation less in need of alternate energy.

i did not say they would use them on israel.chances are they would filter through other organizations to cover their tracks.i think the biggest problem is the religious nuts and i do mean nuts just as in america want to bring on the second coming just as they belive in the bible or koran.the 72 virgins are very tempting

America has nutty religious people running it, and they haven't nuked anyone for over a half century. Israel is ruled by people whose religious zealotry is equal to Iran's, yet they have not nuked anyone even though they consistently demonstrate a complete disregard for other nations sovereignty. Your statement is full of Islamaphobia

No, for if they were to use nuclear weapons upon their enemies they would most certainly receive retribution in kind. Americans may wish to see Israel go up in Biblical smoke to herald the return of Jesus, the Jewish people have no such desire

“Nukes in middle east…Nukes in iran means terrorists will get their hands on them.”

What kind of rebuke is that? Nukes in Iran does not mean terrorists will get them. I gave you several reasons as to why. I gave you the argument of a nuclear Pakistan and its much greater involvement with terrorist organizations which you completely ignored. And you still haven’t answered what “terrorists” Iran is supporting.

Yes they are pushed into a corner. Iran had offered several times in the past to bring its nuclear ambitions to the table for negotiation but it was ignored. This has rendered moderate voices in Iran as ineffectual, and only fueled the hardliners to pursue a nuclear program and make it a national issue. Iran is being sanctioned for refusing to ratify protocols that several NPT signatories have not ratified. Iran has allowed IAEA inspectors into all their registered facilities and is still being sanctioned while several other nuclear countries have yet to sign the NPT and thus have yet to allow IAEA inspectors into their countries. The irony of it is the US is calling for Iran to recognize the IAEA’s right to further inspect Iran’s facilities while refusing to recognize Iran’s right under the NPT to enrich uranium for alternative energy purposes. Even when there were considerations of uranium swaps, the US just said no. Of course the swaps went under way and have been as of last year between Iran and Russia.

“what Israeli aggressive behavior?” If you have to ask that then either you clearly have no idea of whats happeing in the Middle East and I can’t be bothered to go into this right now (it’s been a long day), or you are deliberately holding on to an immature bias view regarding the Israeli-Palestinian issue which you probably will not change regardless of the time I would spent writing up a post (which you may ignore like you did most my earlier post). Just a quick story, in the Israeli-Hezbollah war in 2006, during the last 3 days of the war the Israeli military continuously fired cluster bombs into the south of Lebanon, for 3 days, not-stop. Israeli soldiers themselves carrying out the orders said what they just did was crazy. It took UN-Italian forces 5 years to clean the area of those bombs. 5 years. The flotilla raid was friendly? Did you know that the boat that was raided 2 years ago was named after an American female activist that was bulldozed by Israel during a protest against the destruction of Palestinian homes in the occupied territories.

Nuclear weapons would not filter through to other organizations for the reasons I posted in a reply to freecrack. Please look through them.

it isnt pakistani weaponry finding its way into terrorists hands.pakistan may have the isi doing shady shit like hezbollah does.but iran is like the costco of weapons.katusha rockets dont manufacture themselves in gaza and iraq and afghanastan.
what is to say iran having nukes wouldnt be a new catalogue item for next years jihadi shopping list?especialy when iran proudly states they have no problem with that.

i dont understand the idea that iran is pushed into a corner as they dont need nukes.if it was that we were denying them say food, and then they sought to steal food from some one else, sure they have been pushed into a corner, as they can not survive as a result.
iranian existance is the same today as it was yesterday and will be tomorrow, if they dont have nukes.they have literaly no need at all.making their amnitions not the result of being pushed in a corner, but just a want.not a need.

i didnt ignore you content and im sorry if you felt that way.it was just a bit much, and i have a feeling if you and i get into it we could end up arguing points to such an insane degree it would be all consuming.so i picked what i though were summations.

regards to all the things you cite with israel, and im well aware of them, it has nothing to do with the question at hand.
israel could literaly be hunting palestinians all day every day for sport, and that wouldnt have anything to do with irans nukes.just as the genocide in darfur doesnt validate north koreas nuclear ambitions, and hugo chavez's rhetoric has nothing to do with ugandans policy with their homosexuals.

so i ask you again, what exactly is it that israel is doing that they need to stop, that iran building nukes relates to?

wel i am a bit parinoid to many drugs as a youngster.i dont fear the people of the world its the goverments i dont trust power is a bad thing.as far as lslamaphobia dont think so good and bad people all over the world

I bet the media's going to go into a frenzy of labeling Sarkozy as "anti-semitic" now.

ya know a politician that isnt?

gunna change your view when it doesnt happen, or just ignore it to keep up that rediculousness

...its spelled "ridiculousness"! With an "i"! got it?!

if you are gunna spell check me you are going to need to clear your schedule man.im a fucking mess

Haha, I'm not better. I just type my response up in Word first than copy/paste.

I'm just making a joke about how people who oppose the Israeli government or question US forieng policy regarding Israel are quickly labelled as "anti-semetic" by conservative media.

fuck, that is smart.
4 yrs on here and i never thought of that

israel needs to be stopped?

what is this action that israel is doing that needs to be stopped?

cuz its only iran changing the status quoe here.

im either going insane or rod serling is someplace telling the tale of how i ended up in the twilight zone.

you people are so smart,reasonable and rational.wtf is going on all of a sudden.

"Iran is NO threat now"

when did that happen?
when did iran cease distributing weapons to jihadis?
when did iran stop funding the shit out of other terrorists groups?
when did iran ever even allude to having a peacefull existance in a world with israel?
when did iran get the nuke pass, all other nonnuclear nations dont get?

when the iranians plan to assassinate the saudi embassador thing happened, yeah that was most likely another example of the little persian napolean getting into the global pissing contest.

but this is a whole other thing.
dont get me wrong.i dont think anyone but the 12th imam evangelics and crazy zionists are worried about iran straight up dropping nukes on tel aviv.

the problem is
1-it starts the worst kind of arms race in a region that cant be stable even without an arms race.
2-iran is a provocature in every way possible, making this just another arena in wich to do that, with absolutely no sign that they wouldnt.if anything the exact opposite.

not only would it be nukes given to people like hezbollah and hamas (or even worse the guys not on the radar to look for in advance) but doing so outside of the system in place.
wich means if used, we wouldnt know it was them unless they decided to say it was.

a nuclear attack, in a world of nuclear powers, but with no idea of who to look at to resolve it?
you think living at 5 to midnight was bad in the 80's, this is like that but with no recourse at all.
the sum of all fears.

and while i am just some shlub who doesnt know shit from shit, this stuff is really simple to grasp.yet here we are all "oh this is just the warmongers talking shit"
and efforts to stop it are wrong?

i wasnt worried about having a kid before cuase i figure the world is always fucked up, but if this is how this is gunna go, my kid aint gunna see 10.and if he does it is gunna be like those kids in mad max who talked about tomorrow morrow land.when people had societies