We'll show you 'hell,' Iran tells Israel

That list seems endless, yes?

HA HAHAHAHAHA HA!!!!!

Very funny, JewishHero!

and they say its a dry heat.but the hair tells a different story

That is the funniest thing I've seen in a LONG time. Thank You.

ya think so?
i mean im a supporter of israel.
ask anyone around these parts.no one gets tagged the zionist shill for hasbarah more than me (even tho it is so not the case)
but i dont agree man.

Which part of my comment are you asking about, Netanyahu's saber-rattling and his waning support or Israel's ability to flatten Iran?

Of course I "really think so". Why do you disagree?

"Iran would be pulverized"

i dont think so at all.
iran isnt like the other nasserist type nations.
they have been striving to regain that persian empire status, and have been very good at playing poltics to that end.
for instance, we see that military as goofy silly right?
yet they are able to keep down a very empassioned people who are massive in numbers and desire for freedom.hardly the goofy soldiers they are sold as.plus they have special forces on top of that, very good intel organizations, and something the rest of us dont have.wich is a secondary military force as a back up called hezbollah.

throw all that together with the invested support of the russians who love them like we love the saudis, and israel going up against them is like a local convinience store trying to beat walmart.

sure the local shop might have the best quality and service, but at the end of the day when the convinience stores employees get the flu,they are fucked while walmart brings in employees from other stores and keeps going.not missing a beat.

the idf are the best DEFENSE force in the world.and if ever iran tried to take israel im sure the idf would win at home.but never could the idf take iran striaght up without massive help from us.and that would be the end of life as we know it

Their internal politics notwithstanding, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can't be re-elected per the Iranian Constitution and the moderate Mullahs led by Rafsanjani are all too aware that the majority of the Iranians, particularly the young people, are starving for (and will get) "western-style" freedoms. Their military hasn't had to 'keep down' anyone as the patience of the populace will outlast the mandate - a concept foreign to our own culture. Iran isn't even close to the task of repelling an Israeli air-strike and the IDF hasn't launched a full scale attack for years. Underestimate them at your peril. It's moot, in any case. Both Bibi and his Iranian doppelganger Mahmoud are on their way out. There will be no 'war'.

By the way, you might find this interesting:

http://current.com/community/93533418_haaretz-the-sarkozy-obama-exchange-reflect...

cmon, is that really news?
im pretty sure the arab war and 6 day war cleared that up

While you've so cleverly drawn a blueprint of Persian plans to maintain the status quo, I'm still not satisfied with your explanation of Israel's histrionics. Netanyahoo is literally jumping up and down and foaming at the mouth every time Akhmedinejad sticks his tongue out and goes, 'nya, nya, nya" at him.

I wish you'd ask Mr Netanyahoo, "Who cares if Iran's government doesn't like Israel?; Your government doesn't like them, either. You both say rotten things about each other. You have nuclear capability and they're developing it. So what? You threaten them, they threaten you. With you guys, it's called recreation." Just don't involve us.

Israel isn't in much of a good position. They can't just attack Iran's nuclear facilities without risking war in the entire region. At the same time, however, it seems likely that under Ahmadinejad, Iran will have nuclear weapons at their disposal, if that's not already the case by now. Netanyahoo is likely already aware of this fact, as well as the fact that Israel doesn't have many good terms with other nations in the area. It's about national interests here, and Iran is the one country that poses the greatest threat to Israel's security.

The only thing going for Israel is the fact that they have support of the US, and it is that support, along with what I stated earlier, that likely keeps Iran from actually doing anything towards Israel. As much as Ahmadinejad would like to wipe out Israel, he knows it's a one-sided fight once the US gets involved.

On the whole, though, Israel has got a lot more on its plate at this point than Iran does. As long as he keeps this charades up, Ahmadinejad is more likely to get what he really wants - that is, political legitimacy from his citizens.

ask the iraq and afghani vets what they think of americas gov.

wanna see wich has a higher complaint ratio?

not to mention friendly fire happens and only a few of the liberty guys arent able to hande that.but by all means try to sell some notion of a secret war israel is waging with americans

I hope you're right.

I don't know, but I like them... =)

they've been setting policy there for too long already

Sadly No, but we will send their children...

I thought the current regime in Iran came about because we were setting policy there prior to the revolution

yep...for at least 40 years

Almost 60yrs, the Shah was installed at the behest of US and British corporate interests in 53

right...time flies

they don't care about us all

You speak as though you are soo much more well informed, Is this just from your head or did God tell you so???

I'm sorry, but our representatives have already committed to backing Israel. We actually sold them 'bunker buster' bombs, they would use to make their strike. I have no doubt, if Israel strikes Iran, they plan to draw in American military.

The warmongers who sold us the war with Iraq, were wrong in everything they said. We are still paying a price for their bad judgement, today. Their bad judgment, leading to World War III, won't have accountability either. I'm afraid our country will be in shambles, just trying to survive. The time to hold warmongers accountable, is before they actually start dropping the bombs.

Iran will not be the first country to acquire a nuclear weapon and it's time people stop acting like they are. It does not justify war.

Agreed!!! This is political brinksmanship, pure and simple.
Ahmadinajad is in trouble with the clergy who run Iran - The Ayatollah really wants to be rid of him. So it's probably a more "safe" time for Israel to play these games. They should keep their mouths shut AND stop building in the West Bank.
You're right - Obama will not drag us into this conflict, no matter how much John McCain and his boys beg - or try to stir things up.
BeBe Netanyahu is blowin' smoke - 'cuz that's what he does best.

right? shouldn't judgement be reserved? We act as if our minimal experiences have taught us all.

I call BS oh informed one...is there any exp to lead us to believe your words to be accurate? I think he feels his back coming close to a wall, but no bluff involved.

I do a lot of reading I'm not asking you to agree, just stating what I've learned. Sorry if that bugs you in some say. I don't think there's any need to be nasty ("oh informed one" - what's that about?)

Taught us to see, the handling of the inequities of society have yet to be seen...

switch iran with iraq and syria.

still hold the same position?
or are you glad israel did what no one else had the balls to?

it actualy isnt a matter of israel dragging us in, but israel and us both acting like a lazy couple on the couch both wanting a snack from the kitchen that is oh so far away.
both learing at one another to see wich one will get up first, so the other can say "btw while you are at it can you....".

israel doesnt want to pop it off and have us come in.and we dont want to pop it off and have israel join.we both want the other to do it instead.

doesnt creating nuclear weapons in direct opposition to law actualy literaly spell justification for war or at least that act of war to stop it?
cuz it seemed to be ok when israel did it to iraq and syria.
im just failing to see how this is any different.

fourth kind avatar?

Huh?

Just a little grumpy but the certainty is something i find hard to grab hold of these days, sorry for the attitude.

up to us and no one else

hate to ruin anyones world view but obama is in the same isreali pocket as every other us president since kennedy. and iran would get more than a few good hits in.. but sadly the so called leaders of the nations in the axis of evil, which i regard the US as one, could care less about 'innocent lives'

ffs they will let us all die from brain tumors to sell diet coke, what makes you think they wont let innocents die in a power struggle that we and isreal have flamed for decades?

Sorry. I hope you're happier soon!!! Sometimes my "certainty" and "blowhardedness" ticks me off too (but only sometimes, hahaha).
Cheers to you, 'circle. Have a better tomorrow.

United we Stand...

your picture on current that resides next to your name.
what is it and where is it from?

It's a white owl - wise, hunter, an old owl.

lol oh ok.
if you like scary movies with not too rediculous doses of theology check out "the fourth kind"

if you have a deep love for the wise hunter white owl, do not watch that movie as it will scar you forever in that regard.

HA!! I will check it out for sure - had not heard of it.
I shall prepare to be scared and disillusioned - thanks for the heads-up.
Will first have to bring in a boar-load of caramel popcorn as armor.

And what about the effects on the economy here when Iran shuts down the Gulf in response to a military attack on them. Want to see gasoline hit $8-10/gal real quick?

In light of two of their neighbors being invaded and occupied by a country who has spent the last three decades threatening them, wouldn't you want some nukes too?

If Ahmadinajad is fallen into disfavor with the clerics, would it not make sense for us to be supportive of him? For all his bluster and rhetoric, are we not better off with the devil we know than with who knows what the mullahs would replace him with?

is that the best you can do? Really?

I would not hold my breath that we'd presently back Israel. Israel needs to grow up and oust that old idiot with arrested development issues who is still living in the last century

not sure what you are referring to Israel having done. I'm not getting the reference

Who really has the right to tell Iran it can't have nuclear weapons? Why is old man Israel so freaked out about Iran having or building / developing nukes? Because in his little brain he is stuck in his mistaken notions of reality as he understood them over 50 years ago. The world, not old man Israel, have long since moved on. It's a different world now, only the old and the brainwashed cling to the old notions - and games.

Actually, I believe that things are changing all the time, but I disagree that we are in Israel's pocket or ever have been.

It's true, Israel has violated UN resolutions for decades and cried persecution while persecuting - just goes to show how incredibly dysfunctional the government and it's politicians are - and then by extension, we can't exclude the population that votes for them.

I do understand that there are healthier, more enlightened Israelis who are and have been against false flag operations to justify murdering innocent people and stealing their land. Seems, Israel has a wacked out war mongering party much like our idiot Republican party here in the states.

These cavemen of the last century haven't all died off yet so the rest of us have to put up with their greed, lust for power and their 'the ends justify the means' mentality. God, I can't wait for them to all go away! Seems, they were either cutting school or out to lunch when 'enlightenment' was being passed out

Right - unintended / unexpected consequences. This is just scratching the surface. All the more reason not to resort to the most barbaric, most dysfunctional, least enlightened, least intelligent manner of handling autonomous foreign governments and nations.

What is Israel's claim that would allow them to bomb a sovereign nation? They have none other than fear. Fear is something which is in the mind of the person(s) experiencing fear, not necessarily REALITY. How do we define people who mis-perceived reality to such an extent they commit assault and battery or worse yet, murder. We lock those people up and put them in hospitals. We sedate them with strong medications.

Old man Israel, Nety?

The hypocrisy that surrounds Israel is beyond astonishing. There is no doubt whatsoever what would happen to any other nation that behaved as Israel does, any nation without a nuclear deterrent that is.

This recent thing with Sarkozy and Obama is further example of hypocritical behavior. Both men clearly despise Netanyahu, yet neither one will publicly (intentionally anyways) speak the truth about that particular little 'Hitler'. The tolerance, support even, of Israel's relentless pursuit of more 'Liebensraum' is a stain which destroys any notion of the UN's legitimacy

Personally if I was Iran, after watching what just happened to two of its neighbors I would be scrambling to get the bomb as quickly as I could.

It wasn't okay with me when they did it to Syria, or Iraq. But people throw around anti-Semitic, like they do un-American if one disagrees with their actions.

As far as breaking the rules by creating nuclear weapons, is kinda authoritarian on our part. We are the only country to have actually used nuclear weapons and yet we are 'allowed' to have them. Just sayin, who are we 'really' to think we can dictate who can and can't have nuclear weapons?

when iraq persued nukes in the 80's it was israel who bombed the sites so saddam couldnt get to have em.
in 2006, when syria got busted fo the same, again it was israel who had the job of destroying those sites.cuz nobody wants to be the bad guy, and every body wants a nuke free world.

so if this is the job we (western and rest of world really) allocate to israel, can we be pissed that they do it?
would it kill us to step up once and say, you did it last time we will take care of it next time?

"Who really has the right to tell Iran it can't have nuclear weapons"

the nuclear powers of the world, whom as a collective create the rules.like it has been for at least 2 (maybe 3) generations now?

israel aint the only one worried.but it has nothing to do with 50 yrs ago.it has to do with every day iranian made weapons popping up all over the place in the hands of some pretty fucked up people.not to mention we all know that regime aint gunna be around too much longer, so i dont really think any of us want to see what an "arab" spring power vaccum looks like when nukes are involved.

we can be all self rightious about the lybians that they shouldnt have doen to qadaffi for instance what they did.the whole emotional reacting beating and killing in the streets after ramming a pipe up his ass.imagine that kind of unrestrained emotional thing, with nukes.

"But people throw around anti-Semitic"

so instead of learning the difference between what is legit criticism and what is hate speech cloaked in political dialogue, just say fuck it?

it isnt authoritarian on our part in who gets to have nukes, as it is not us who decide.it is literaly all the nuclear powers.and we all agree on the rules.iran is straight up saying fuck you to the rules.

let me throw ya some real simple questions free of any of the racial implications that seem to render a portion of your ability to express yourself impotent.

do you think it is important that a nation with nuclear weapons has the first rate infrastructure to to sustain them?
and do you imagine iran does?
do you think it is not a concern that nuclear weapons are in the hands of nations whos governments are on the verge of collapse?
do you think the iranians are happy and accepting of their gov?

apply this to whom ever you want.even if the iranians literaly have zero intent of using or proliferating nukes.just the b-rate knock off half assed version they are satified with is a danger as they could evaporate themselves and not even see it coming or know how to handle it.

look at all that japan went through with fukashima.
ya think iran rolls like that?

Funny, I was asking the same of you...

Everyone wants a nuke free world especially Isael with it's 200 + nukes who refuse to allow the IAEA to inspect its nuclear facilities

Israel's infrastucture couldn't even handle the wildfires that they had just a few months ago, so what makes you think that they could withstand a nuclear disaster like Fukushima, especially with their 200+ undeclared nukes and the fact that they refuse to allow the IAEA to inspect their sites (something that Iran has allowed)?

"Everyone wants a nuke free world especially Isael with it's 200 + nukes who refuse to allow the IAEA to inspect its nuclear facilities"

so that is what it all comes down to now isnt it?
learn from the mistakes of yesterday wich have resulted in israel's 200 and north koreas how ever many, as opposed to just watching this error continue.

cuz israel has had these nukes for generations at this point making the question of wether or not they can keep them under control baseless.

it is like asking in light of the arab spring where so many people protested in the streets arguing, what is to say they could be united in religion.it isnt a question cuz they have been united in religion for generations.

with israel and her nukes, it has been not only proven that they have the ability to handle the infrastructure for the purposes of general safety, but have exceeded us and russia,as they have had less problems than we have.all while being pressed harder.

You are completely delusional.

You were just talking some nonsense about nuclear free world, or perhaps just a nuclear free Middle East andnow you are justifying Israel's right to have nukes against the laws of the international community.

Fine. I happen to be located in a fairly unique place where I've had the pleasure of befriending people from around the world and who are here in the States working for the DoD. Among them, they are from Iraq, Iran, Egypt and elsewhere. In discussions wth them they acknowledge that although, there are some radicals (as there are here), people who use religion or other "causes" (such as preserving the US's dominance in the world as superpower for the next 100 years) as justification for their underlying sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies, the larger populations are no different than the majority of us here in the United States.

quite the opposite if delusional actualy as im literaly only speaking of how things are not what we wish.

we would like a nuclear free world.but ne method if accomplishing this has yet to exist.the nondelusional reality is those who have nukes have them and wont give them up until we do create the method of creating a nuclear free world.

this isnt me validating israel having them.just as im not validating n.korea having them.

im just not expecting my personal views to be taken into account in this regard, and im sticking with how it actualy works.wich is once a nation gets them that is it, their are more nukes.this should be stiffled.regardless of who the nation is trying to join the club.

i dont think anyone has a right to nukes.that is all your inference and assumptions.

Bottom line -- I don't think bombing them is the answer. Plus, if you bomb a nuclear facility what will the environmental consequences be?

bombing is the only answer when those developing refuse to not.

the point is the unique nature of it, making it important to bomb before it reaches that point at wich you cant bomb it anymore without causing the very damage you are trying to avoid.

wich is why this issue keeps getting more and more intense each time it pops up, as the point of no return keeps getting closer and closer.iran arent being open with their progress but the exact opposite.so we have to guess at what point we have to act by if we wish to stop them.

kind of like that scene in pulp fiction when uma thurman was overdosing and john travolta and eric stoltz were arguing over who was gunna give her the adrenaline shot.us and israel are fighting over wich of us has both the political capital and will to bomb irans nukes, while every moment we argue it becomes less and less an issue cuz it wont matter.

What if you are wrong? What if it's already too late and bombing them, creates a type of 'dirty bomb' sending radiation into the atmosphere? What if the radiation kills millions of Iranians in the process? Are they all 'acceptable' collateral damage, because people are afraid if they have a bomb they might kill millions of people? Does killing millions of people first m, count as a victory?

Take a look at the people of Iraq. Does it seem like we helped the Iraqi people by bombing them? They had no more control over the decisions of their leader than we do with ours. Sadly people make decisions, which are not in the best interest of the people. Sadly, some people are considered 'acceptable' collateral damage.

The Iraqi people had not killed one American when we started 'Shock and Awe'. If Israel bombs Iran, it will once again be a society paying a price for the bad judgment of their leaders. What if it were us? What if Russia, or China were threatening to bomb us because they don't like the war rhetoric coming from our leaders.? What if China, or Russia decided to bomb us first? Would that be acceptable? China and Russia are alies of Iran. They have done joint war games.

exactly the point.
making nuclear weapons is the sort of thing far to dangerous on every level for anyone to proceed with willy nilly.yet iran is doing so, thus creating all these problem.look at how many nations have nukes.they all,even in cold war era time, developed them,while agreeing above all else disclosure about agreed upon elements.that is a huge mark of the intent to use the nukes as a deterant, when they arent worried about the other guys knowing what they have.

iran is doing the exact opposite.like north korea did, but actualy even worse,cuz north korea allowed some (like china) to know what they were up to.

so the questions with iran are.
*is it just status building and possibly they will never actualy have nukes
*are they seeking regional domination politicaly
*are they seeking regional domination militarily
*are they utilizing mutualy assured destruction policies
*do they view mutualy assured destruction policies the same as we do or is destruction a positive
*are they safeguarding themselves from accidents
*are they safe guarding themselves from civil unrest in this regard too
*how far along are they
*can it be reversed or even stiffled

that is just with them.then come all the questions of what happens once these questions are answered.
does attacking make sense or is it too late and would create more damage than it would halt.
would it be an act of war, or a defensive action.
who has the capital to do it with the least negative effects.

and in all of this, if the initial questions arent answered right, the next moves could be wrong as a result.

im not gunna het into killing to live stuff cuz ya never know.maybe dropping the bombs on japan saved more lives than it took.maybe it did the opposite.maybe japan had kamikazied themselves out so badly they would have stopped in a couple of weeks and we didnt have to drop the bombs.that stuff we will never know.
maybe if we upended saddams regime and just left, no civil war would have erupted.would of could of.who knows

The Jews are being made into scapegoats, and the people don't deserve that, in spite of politics.

Correct, much like I felt with GW at the Helm....

Jews being made into scapegoats? I totally don't see that.

Think about Iran's motivation for wanting to arm itself, looking at the situation from their point of view! Israel is the 'bully' on the block in the every sense of the word.

You couldn't possibly believe Iran would be the aggressor attacking Israel with all the weaponry Israel has, or the support it would surely get if it was hit with an unprovoked attack. It would be nothing short of suicide for Iran to do so - and you can't possibly argue Iran doesn't know that.

You are arguing from a perspective that pretends Iranians are ignorant barbarians without a clue and poor persecuted Israel has to keep the tiger at bay. Guess again.

You are expressing an attitude based upon a lack of understanding of the world which was wrong twenty years ago and is more wrong now than it's ever been. Wars have been waged and millions and millions of people have died, needlessly, for the mistaken notions of fools with arrested development issues in power.

The ends DO NOT justify the means. This is a fools approach to reality, a reality and oneself, a fool fails to understand.

Remember Israel pulling a 'Pearl harbor' on Iraq's nuclear facilities? They can attack Iraq at will but you have a problem with Iraq attacking Israel?

Considering what has gone down in Iraq over the past two decades, those people clearly had legitimate reasons for wanting to acquire a nuclear deterrent, just as Iran has every right to ensure their sovereignty. In case you hadn't noticed, two of their neighbors have been recently invaded and occupied by a country which never ceases to threaten and persecute them. Put yourself in Iran's position and tell me you wouldn't want to have a few nukes for yourself. If you say you wouldn't, you are not being honest with yourself.

I've got a better solution than a preemptive strike. How about stopping the meddling in the affairs of Iran (and other nations who don't bow to our demands) and instead apply the pressure upon Israel to come to a fair settlement with the Palestinian people. Do this and there will be no further trouble with Iran

Voyager, I respectfully disagree, and don't think I'm a fool. It seems you've forgotten the fact that Israel has been attacked by hostile national armies 3 times since they proclaimed their state in 1948. How many of their surrounding arab neighbors have condescended to actually make peace with them? In spite of the size of that nation and small population they've managed to win all of them. Outnumbered and outgunned they won anyway. They've captured land during their wars - and then given it back. The arabs don't want them there and use the Palestinians for that justification. Yet the refugee Palestinians that have fled to those countries are treated like shit; put in camps - no citizenship offered - few jobs. They don't care about those people. The Jews, on the other hand, when they proclaimed their state offered citizenship to ALL arabs that were living there. The Palestinians weren't driven off - they ran away. Why? Because of all the arab national armies (there were 5) were getting ready to attack and the Pals were in the way. You do read history, right?

Iran would like nothing better than to see the Jews march backward into the sea. At least their rulers would, possibly not the Iranian people. I agree that they most likely wouldn't start a traditional war of annihilation; the US would come to the aid of Israel. But that doesn't preclude a sneak nuclear attach. It wouldn't need to be a big one. Iran has thumbed their nose at the world body ever since this nuclear question surfaced. Do you think they fear world condemnation after the elimination of Israel is a done deal? I think not. The rulers of Iran didn't care much for the Green movement during their last election and are now making noises like they're simply going to eliminate the popular vote so they don't have to deal with it again. These are not reasonable people.

Am I sure this is their plan? no. But I also don't care for the idea of their being able to accomplish that by pressing buttons. Their rulers aren't governed by morality - they're governed by their version of Islam. These folks hang gays & stone unfaithful wives. You want to trust them with nukes? I'll pass.

i tend to agree. look at the imperial invasions on the part of the U.S. in the region? is it any wonder? Israel has become what it feared the most and is using its own people and the palestinians as a shield.

being used as a sheild by their own govt. just like we are with the constant propaganda to support the troops or being unpatriotic if you speak out against the war machine.

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.
- Albert Einstein

Yes, rather than a beacon of light in the region to uplift humanity

Lots of us speak out against what we see as wrong or misguided - you been asleep for the last three - four years? LOL

Hi Voyager, I've always appreciated your straight thinking, and still do. I have no intentions of disputing with you. For the most part, we're on the same side.

But none of us are perfect, or always right - and on this issue we disagree. From my end I hope to hell I'm wrong about Iran. That's a LOT better than the consequences of being right. I think I am right about the Jewish people and seriously doubt rhetoric will change my opinion.

I agree with Alberts sentiment - at least from this side of the ocean. But my opinion is that the thinking that needs the change belongs to Iran, rather than the Jews or us. Iran is one of the largest & strongest nations in that region. They don't NEED nuclear protection from their neighbors; and nukes, save in large numbers, wouldn't protect them from us. The regimes continuing threats against Israel don't make for comfortable sleeping. To me, it would be akin to giving a loaded gun to a kid. Stated bluntly, I simply don't trust what they're liable to do. They sent thugs armed with clubs to beat back their Green movement last election. What reason could there be for their refusing inspection of their nuclear facilities by the world body if their intent was peaceful? It's not rational - doesn't follow. It's not asking much to open their doors and put to rest the fears of the world. "We don't have to so we're not going to", is what we hear rather than cooperation. The Jews have a good reason to be frightened. And they're on their own - no other nation will intercede until after the fact. That would be a tad late for the Jewish people.

My running my mouth isn't going to change anything. I admire the Jewish people and their tenacity. They're not perfect, but they're also not deserving of all the bad mouth they receive in this country. I hope whatever they decide to do ends up being the right decision. They declared their state in 1948. Israel is 63 years old - same as me. In all those decades they've never known peace - only war or terrorism. They're an industrious people. It would be interesting to see what they could accomplish if allowed to lay down their guns.