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Law Warned Will Jail 500,000 Americans

source: http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/11/18/new-obama-law-warned-will-jail-500000-americans/

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Posted on truther on November 18, 2011
Foreign Ministry reports circulating in the Kremlin today are warning that an already explosive situation in the United States is about to get a whole lot worse as a new law put forth by President Obama is said capable of seeing up to 500,000 American citizens jailed for the crime of opposing their government.

Sparking the concern of Russian diplomats over the growing totalitarian bent of the Obama government is the planned reintroduction of what these reports call one of the most draconian laws ever introduced in a free society that is titled “The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act”.

First introduced in the US Congress in 2007 by Democratic Representative Jane Harmon, this new law passed the US House of Representatives by a secretive voice vote, but failed to pass the US Senate, after which it was believed dead until this past week when it was embraced by Obama who became the first American President to name his own citizens as a threat to his Nations security.

In what is called the National Security Strategy document, that is required of US Presidents by their Congress, that embraces the dictatorial ideals of the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act”, Obama has ordered his Federal police and intelligence forces to begin targeting Americans opposed to him and his radical socialist polices.

Obama’s top counter-terrorism advisor, John Brennan, in speaking to reporters about this new “strategy” says it makes the problem of home-grown terrorists a top priority because an increasing number of individuals in the US have become “captivated by extremist ideology or causes.”

The Times of London is further reporting that Obama’s new National Security Strategy “officially” ends America’s “War on Terror” in what they call “a sweeping repudiation of the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive military strikes.”

And as Obama begins re-focusing his forces from fighting America’s foreign enemies, to those opposed to him in his own country, it is important to remember the warning about this new law given by the former CIA official, Philip Giraldi, who had previously warned of the Bush-Cheney plan to attack Iran with nuclear weapons, and who said:

“The mainstream media has made no effort to inform the public of the impending Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. The Act, which was sponsored by Congresswoman Jane Harman of California, was passed in the House by an overwhelming 405 to 6 vote on October 24th and is now awaiting approval by the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which is headed by Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut.

Harman’s bill contends that the United States will soon have to deal with home grown terrorists and that something must be done to anticipate and neutralize the problem. The act deals with the issue through the creation of a congressional commission that will be empowered to hold hearings, conduct investigations, and designate various groups as “homegrown terrorists.”

The commission will be tasked to propose new legislation that will enable the government to take punitive action against both the groups and the individuals who are affiliated with them. Like Joe McCarthy and HUAC in the past, the commission will travel around the United States and hold hearings to find the terrorists and root them out.

Unlike inquiries in the past where the activity was carried out collectively, the act establishing the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Commission will empower all the members on the commission to arrange hearings, obtain testimony, and even to administer oaths to witnesses, meaning that multiple hearings could be running simultaneously in various parts of the country.

The ten commission members will be selected for their “expertise,” though most will be appointed by Congress itself and will reflect the usual political interests. They will be paid for their duties at the senior executive pay scale level and will have staffs and consultants to assist them.

Harman’s bill does not spell out terrorist behavior and leaves it up to the Commission itself to identify what is terrorism and what isn’t.

Language inserted in the act does partially define “homegrown terrorism” as “planning” or “threatening” to use force to promote a political objective, meaning that just thinking about doing something could be enough to merit the terrorist label.

The act also describes “violent radicalization” as the promotion of an “extremist belief system” without attempting to define “extremist.”

As an example of those American’s Obama will be targeting, Giraldi further writes that The Simon Wiesenthal Center, in testifying before the US Congress in support of this new law, swore that an organization called “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth” was an example of a homegrown terrorist organization, leading one Russian diplomat in this report to state “If 1,200 of America’s top architectural and engineering professionals are deemed terrorists simply because they question their governments propaganda than truly no one is safe in the United States anymore”.

As another example of how dictatorial the Obama regime has become, and as the Gulf of Mexico oil debacle has now become the worst ecological disaster our World has ever seen, the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, this past week slammed American reporters for “asking too many questions about BP”. Leading one to ask that if Obama’s regime can’t be asked about this disaster, what can they be asked about?

The answer is apparently none, as Obama himself, just this past week, in announcing his signing of a new law called the Press Freedom Act refused to answer any reporters questions and abruptly left them standing in stupefaction over the irony an ordeal that shows how far America has fallen.

Another irony apparently lost upon the American people is that their President Obama, who has been dubbed “The Great Communicator”, now holds the dubious distinction of having held less press conferences than any American President in modern history. And if yesterday’s press conference, his first in nearly a year, was any example one can see why as incredulous press corps was left astounded that Obama had no knowledge of the firing/resignation of one of his top officials.

In all of these events one fact, beyond all others, stands out….in what was once called “The Land of the Free, And the Home of the Brave”…..the United States today has become “The Land Of Slave, And the Home of the Coward”….and these Americans have only themselves to blame.
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93 comments // Law Warned Will Jail 500,000 Americans

  • notsure
  • Ihatethemall
  • savvy7
  • Brendan_Davis
    • +1
      Brendan_Davis  

    • Wow... Do they realize what the congress vote where only 6 object means? It would be a failure on both parties, not Obama who did not introduce the bill. Also "first press conference in over a year"? Did I not hear republicans crying earlier about the press conference after Osama was killed?

    • 6 months ago
  • timelord999
  • squarethecircle
  • JanforGore
    • +2
      JanforGore  
    • squarethecircle:

      Just wanted to let you know I understood your point. I was very concerned about this when it first came out regarding environmental groups. And with OWS taking place, it is only natural to be concerned with the steps that are currently being taken to quash dissent. The part of all this that is disappointing, is that if this bill were to come up for Obama's signature now I think he would sign it. The Patriot Act is still enforced because it has been saved with bipartisan support. It really makes you wonder.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • Paratus
    • -1
      Paratus  

    • 12 co-sponsers, 9 Dem, 3 Republican. Passed the House on Oct 23, 2007, 404 to 6. Never did get to vote in the Senate. I can see Obama signing this. Gotta love those statists.
      I noticed McCarthy and HUAC in the same sentence. I hope it was not the intention of this article to consider them one and the same.

    • 6 months ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  

    • You know, wether or not this article is true or not. Its already a known fact that america has the worlds most prisoners. Private prisons lobby the government to enact laws and regulations that will put more people in. Now while Obama is not directly responsible. He has not done anything to reverse this and is therefore just as accountable. Our government is currently run by corporate entities. And the government will gladly oblige with these big corporations because it expands their power and. Its a win win situation for both of them. Its a nothing but loss for the american people

    • 6 months ago
  • ThirdSection
    • +6
      ThirdSection  

    • I noticed this article is from Pakalert Press, an outfit that specializes in causing dumb people to piss themselves with made-up scary stories.

    • 6 months ago
  • wolfess
    • +3
      wolfess  

    • Sounds to me like rupert and company have an undercover media operation going on in Russia. Reading this article felt like something right out Glenn Beck and the badyear blimp.

    • 6 months ago
  • HappyHeartJeff
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      HappyHeartJeff [removed]  

    • Just a refresher since the title is still a misnomer ( A misnomer is a term which suggests an interpretation that is known to be untrue. )

      It WAS a bill that was rejected 4 years ago.
      -- NOT a law or anything to be anywhere near implemented.

      Much ado about nothing and just a partisan hack job by the poster.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • HappyHeartJeff
  • squarethecircle
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      squarethecircle  
    • HappyHeartJeff:

      facts these days are like statistics...they can be turned inside out. We don't understand our own nature, our history, our place or our future. Consider that the truth is between the lines and not in your face because for eons fact has been destroyed and replaced with intentional misdirection.

    • 6 months ago
  • timelord999
  • squarethecircle
  • danitassin
  • Cruzankenny
    • +3
      Cruzankenny  

    • That's alright, believe a post whose primary viewpoint is from Pakistan, the longtime home and refuge of Osama Bin Laden.
      It's alright to gather your news from various sources, but to base your opinion solely on a report from a primarily Pakistani website is questionable. If you believe Pakistan is our ally, more power to you.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • Omle_Du_Fromage
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      Omle_Du_Fromage  

    • http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml
      The bill is a violation of itself......

      "“Prevention of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism......
      “(1) COMMISSION.—The term ‘Commission’ means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.......

      (4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.—The term ‘ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs."

      This bill is trying to prevent something that it itself enacts... using violence (throw you in prison) to stop you from believing anything they don't want you to believe...

      unbelievable

    • 6 months ago
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  

    • Boy the government sure knows how to fabricate, and cultivate these so called "homegrown terrorists"....

      Obama completely lost me when he either signed some sort of executive order, or whatever it was that gave him and JSOC the right to pursue and essentially assassinate whoever they deem a threat without even having to make mention of it...

      I realize the government or government agents have been doing that on some level for years, it's just not cool... Of course he's already assassinated his first American target (that we know of), and everyone cheered...

      I don't know that Anwar al-Awlaki did anything but tell the Muslim people being occupied to resist or fight back... Something every American would say to other AMericans if any nation invaded it..

    • 6 months ago
  • WagonMaster
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      WagonMaster  

    • Ho Boy !! Yet another conspiracy theory sponsered by none other than The Kremlin ! As their socio-economic system is sooo great it's no wonder that they have time to make this crap up outta the air. And that damn Obama is right behind it.

    • 6 months ago
  • Omle_Du_Fromage
  • simplecj
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      simplecj  

    • I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act was passed along with the Military Commissions Act and the [un]Patriot Act by none other than Bush Jr during the whole 9/11 response...

    • 6 months ago
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  

    • I'd like to comment further on this. It isn't nonsense and for those of you that feel it is read this bill and the Patriot Act before you comment! This bill will lead to the branding of anyone who chooses to exercise their Constitutional right to freedom of speech against government policy as a terrorist! The hearings that will be carried out will be witch hunts and it won't matter what part of the political spectrum you adhere too! I am a progressive and when the Constitution of this nation is under direct attack I must speak out loudly using whatever force of voice or arms is required to protect the right to free speech,due process,and freedom of assembly that so many have died to defend. this law failed to pass in 2007 due to these concerns by progressive members of congress who felt it went way to far!

    • 6 months ago
  • sharin
    • +1
      sharin  
    • galwayman:

      this bill went from the House to the Senate IN 2007! and the Senate shelved it. Bills have to get through both houses of congress, in an agreement on wording, before they go to the president for a signature or veto. This would have gone to Bush, if the Senate and the House agreed on the bill. There will be no "hearings that will be carried out". Please, as a fellow progressive, don't buy into the fear-mongering from the wrong

    • 6 months ago
  • Nick19
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      Nick19  

    • Why was this article up voted so much? False article is false. Why should I trust the word of an authoritarian regime such as the Kremlin?

    • 6 months ago
  • Hardytoo
  • VoyagerFilms
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      VoyagerFilms  

    • This post is about defaming President Obama, not about truth. As one with a few friends who work in the intelligence agencies here in the US, you know those agencies that you are "conditioned" - brainwashed to think are are against Americans and so forth, FBI, CIA, NSA and so on.

      Truth is, those people are as patriotic as anyone, not that there isn't the occasional rogue or corrupt individual, it is not the evil empire so many have been led to believe and incidences at Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas would appear to support.

      I was very concerned with the Patriot Act and what appears to be the loss of our freedoms under the Bush Administration - because the Bush Admin. lied to us, they deceived us and they manipulated us - coupled with those laws was very scary.

      With President Obama on the other hand, he is the President a majority of us voted in as a response to ALL that we didn't like about Bush and the Repubs, let's not forget that.

      Lastly, this bill is being used as a tool to manipulate your perception about President Obama, plain and simple. The purpose of this posting is nothing more than an attempt to get a corporate bought Republican back in the White House.

    • 6 months ago
  • SFirman
  • Conniepae
  • timelord999
  • percipi224
  • sharin
    • +1
      sharin  
    • percipi224:

      Susan Collins in the Senate. Nancy Harmon in the House was the original presenter on this bill.
      just something else done during Bush years that the wrongwing are trying to blame Obama for

    • 6 months ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • VoyagerFilms
  • letsliveinpeace
  • squarethecircle
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      squarethecircle  

    • the point was that this is what is being purposed in Congress as people's lives are being turned upside down and nothing is being done about that...awareness that this is being considered among other attacks on we the people was my only intention

    • 6 months ago
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  

    • Only a half million? More like millions! goodbye freedom of speech and hello the true police state! Have read this act and anyone who objects to ANYTHING done by government can be branded a terrorist! Is this America? Folks get it clear in your heads that Odumbo is the enemy of freedom!

    • 6 months ago
  • HappyHeartJeff
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      HappyHeartJeff [removed]  
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    • Furthermore expanding on my post downthread .
      I am a liberal , but not really any fan of Harman in particular -- glad she is gone.

      a relative article from the similar time frame.

      Jane Harman's Wiretapped Conversations
      Rep. Jane Harman is asking the Justice Department to release its transcripts of wiretapped telephone conversations she reportedly had with a suspected Israeli agent in 2005 or 2006, according to the Wall Street Journal.

      It had been reported several years ago that federal investigators looked into the California Democrat's discussions with the suspected Israeli agent. But yesterday, Congressional Quarterly's Jeff Stein published significant new details, including the allegation that the conversations secretly captured by NSA wiretaps were "directed at alleged Israel covert action operations in Washington."

      Stein's account, and follow-up articles today, raised questions about the conversations' links to at least two ongoing Washington scandals: the espionage case against two officials of the main Israel lobbying group and the NSA's secret domestic surveillance wiretap program.

      CQ's sources, and sources cited today in the New York Times, say that Harman was caught on the wiretap telling the suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby Bush administration officials to reduce the charges against the two members of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) accused of spying. In exchange, the sources said, the suspected agent promised to help her get appointed chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

      CQ said that, according to its sources, Harman told the caller she would "waddle in" to the espionage case "if you think it would make a difference." She also said, "This conversation doesn't exist."

      The Times today quoted officials "familiar with the transcripts" as saying they know of no evidence that the congresswoman ever intervened.

      Harman told CQ in a statement, "These claims are an outrageous and recycled canard, and have no basis in fact. I never engaged in any such activity. Those who are peddling these false accusations should be ashamed of themselves."

      And today, Harman wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder expressing outrage that she had been wiretapped.

      "This abuse of power is outrageous and I call on your Department to release all transcripts and other investigative material involving me in an unredacted form," Harman wrote. "It is my intention to make this material available to the public."

      In an interview today with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, Harman defended her friendship with AIPAC.

      "I didn't need to cut some deal with AIPAC for any reason. I talk to them, I talk to lots of advocacy groups and constituency groups all the time, about a range of issues," Harman said, adding that "it was certainly no secret in 2005 and 2006 that I hoped to be named chair of the House Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections."

      More after the jump:

      Time magazine's Timothy Burger first reported in 2006 that the FBI and Justice Department were investigating whether Harman was working with AIPAC in a scheme to get her reappointed as the top Democrat on the intelligence committee.

      Among the questions the federal investigators were exploring, according to Time, was whether Harman promised to lobby Justice or the White House to get the espionage charges reduced for Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, two AIPAC staffers charged with passing classified information to the Israeli government.

      (Their trial is to begin this summer. They allegedly worked with a former Defense Intelligence Agency official, Lawrence Franklin, who was sentenced to 12 1/2 years in prison for improper handling and disclosure of classified information.)

      There were later reports that the FBI had dropped the Harman investigation for lack of evidence. But CQ, citing three former national security officials, reported this week that then-Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales halted the investigation because he wanted Harman to defend the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program. The program was about to be made public by the New York Times.

      The Times also reported today that, according to its sources, Harman's caller had promised Harman that in exchange for her help with the espionage case, California billionaire Haim Saban would threaten to withhold campaign contributions to Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.),, who was to become Speaker of the House, if she didn't pick Harman as intelligence chairman.

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2009/04/jane_harma...

      -----------------
      it's the last paragraph I find interesting and relative.

    • 6 months ago
  • sharin
    • +10
      sharin  

    • this proposed "law" was passed by the House in 2007, 404 to 6, but the Senate never acted on the bill. Since Obama has been president the proposed congressional bill has been re-presented several times as an Oh-My-God-Obama-Is-Going-To-Enact-This-Law.

      Ridiculous. Do some research before you re-post articles that are so blatantly false

    • 6 months ago
  • danitassin
    • +2
      danitassin  

    • Funny, I remember hearing the same thing of Bush, and even seeing those facilities built by his administration with he barbed wire turned in.

    • 6 months ago
  • danitassin
    • +5
      danitassin  

    • yeah I found the same thing as happyheartjeff. Seems like the poster may be one of those paid off to post these things on sites such as current, facebook etc.
      voted DOWN.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • Kelly_Balthrop
    • +3
      Kelly_Balthrop  
    • danitassin:

      squarethecircle has been a valued poster here for as long as I have at least. There is a genuine concern that as the protest ramp up and it starts looking more like a revolution, that the government will take more drastic measures to control the situation and retain power. Much of that article may have simply been Obama bashing, but the bill in congress I think was the issue being raised. I personally doubt Obama would ever sign such a thing, or at least I hope not.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • Kelly_Balthrop
  • danitassin
    • +1
      danitassin  
    • Kelly_Balthrop:

      Yes your right he/she has been a valued poster. Been around current about the same amount of time as me too actually. I voted the post down, not the person who posted it. My comment was just to show how we can't trust everything we hear, even if it is from a "valued poster" such as squarethecircle.
      Btw , I don't look at the person that posts, I look at the post. That way I don't play favorites. To me, it's pretty ignorant to just believe something just because the person who posted it usually posts genuinely.

      Another btw, the terms "to me" and "seems like" are used to show opinion, not fact or truth.

      Sorry, if I hurt that person's feelings, but having an opinion doesn't mean that others don't.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • HappyHeartJeff
    • +8
      HappyHeartJeff [removed]  

    • Taking a look at the original article and following all links , I could not find a single thing that President Obama was doing in regards to something that was brought up and that had failed to pass over 4 years ago.

      What I did find in the original bill was fairly clear language

      -- '' SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

      (a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

      (b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.

      (c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security shall develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and shall include the results of audits under such mechanism in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.''

      http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955

      Following other links I was brought to something about british politics and then to an old huffington post article with a few comments from the same time frame a few years ago.

      I am unsure why you have posted this thread .

      Are you grasping at straws to do whatever hit piece you can on the President
      or
      Trying to create hysteria just for the sake there of ?

    • 6 months ago
  • inspirationseeker
  • squarethecircle
  • squarethecircle
  • Chukarhunter
    • +6
      Chukarhunter  
    • HappyHeartJeff:

      Nice work Jeff. I called Bullshit on this article when I read "Foreign Ministry reports circulating in the Kremlin....." That alone sent a big red flag up for me. And then reading on I found no referance to any actual bill. Just names of certain democrats. Gee do you think it could be a campain against the democrats?
      Anyway, nice work.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
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      squarethecircle  
    • HappyHeartJeff:

      "As an example of those American’s Obama will be targeting, Giraldi further writes that The Simon Wiesenthal Center, in testifying before the US Congress in support of this new law, swore that an organization called “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth” was an example of a homegrown terrorist organization, leading one Russian diplomat in this report to state “If 1,200 of America’s top architectural and engineering professionals are deemed terrorists simply because they question their governments propaganda than truly no one is safe in the United States anymore”."

      something that shouldn't concern us?

    • 6 months ago
  • HappyHeartJeff
    • +6
      HappyHeartJeff [removed]  
    • squarethecircle:

      Like I said , I read the original article that you posted again and followed ALL the links .

      In the link you just gave me now I read the huffingtonpost article and found a few things again .

      --- '' A recent executive order of July 17th, 2007 goes even farther, authorizing the President to seize the property of anyone who "Threatens Stabilization Efforts in Iraq." The government's own Justice Department decides what constitutes "threatening stabilization efforts" and the order does not permit a challenge to the information that the seizure is based on.'''

      Correct me if I am wrong , but wasn't the President on the date named Bush ?

      Further reading the article of the link you gave not once is this President's name referred to.-- It keeps referring to something that was voted for by the house over 4 years ago , that was sponsored by Jane Harmon who is now at the WW institute.

      Nothing has passed through committee
      Nothing has been brought to floor of the senate
      Nothing has reached the president's desk.

      Even if it does get past all that

      -- ''As currently envisioned, the Commission will not operate in perpetuity. After the group has done its work, in eighteen months' time, a Center of Excellence for the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism will be established to study the lessons learned. ''

      It sets up a committee that actually might get some information unlke the current witch hunt that Peter King is doing.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • HappyHeartJeff
    • +4
      HappyHeartJeff [removed]  
    • squarethecircle:

      Thank you for being reasonable .

      I have no problem laying blame where it is due -- Of course I don't want to be jailed or have anyone else be jailed on a whim of modern McCarthyism.

      The country needs to come together and fight in unison where required to get to the places we want to go and need to go. a lot of the times , we all just have different ideas on how to get there and who is to pay.

      Carry on

    • 6 months ago
  • gatormouth
    • +3
      gatormouth  
    • HappyHeartJeff:

      Thanks for your post. Somebody really wants an outbreak out of divisiveness and an over-reaction against the Administration by those making demands for reform. I hope this inspires BOTH the administration and the reformers to recognize we have common enemies. Disagree as we may, I still think we just might be able to make common cause and keep this peaceful. The administration must assist reform and take charge of assuring the right to protest and the holding of fair elections.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
    • -3
      squarethecircle  
    • HappyHeartJeff:

      I always try to keep an open mind, but the intent of this law doesn't go away or change regardless of details. Obama has no obstruction to his next presidency as far as I can see. He will continue to work on behalf of our gov'ts owners and infrequently tell us he's on our side. The two parties play off each other to our detriment and their gain and without people coming to that realization there will be no change. They don't care about people whether they tell us they do or outright say the masses stink...their actions continue with minor exception to lead humanity in an extremely ill direction.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
    • -2
      squarethecircle  
    • gatormouth:

      The administration is disinterested and have prepared for people's outrage and violence when they finally catch on to how much they have been played. We can not be violent that is expected, but we also can't play by their rules any more or we lose...it is love that confounds them.

    • 6 months ago
  • HappyHeartJeff
    • +2
      HappyHeartJeff [removed]  
    • squarethecircle:

      Well , I can see you are not keeping an open mind at all now that you continue on.

      It is not a law at all -- was brought up by a more than dubious representative over 4 years ago ( that is not there any longer ) and has like I said, not gone through commitee, through the senate or reached anywhere near the President's pen.

      Meaning explicitly and nothing more -- it is a dead bill.

      This President is fighting the powers that be with the votes he has . To disregard all that he has done so far in regards to trying to pull the needle back from the extremem right is to just have blinders on.

      Some of one party ( just enough dems - about 6 senators out of 50+ ) are bought and paid for along with ALL republicans .-- that again is not to be painted with an all brush.

      I suspect that when President Obama is elected for a second term and actually does walk on water , you will be complaining that he is not doing it backwards or some other thing.

      Like I said -- carry on.

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
  • SFirman
  • HappyHeartJeff
    • +2
      HappyHeartJeff [removed]  
    • squarethecircle:

      The only thing obvious is your partisanship abd time has already proven that the President has fought for a majority of Americans and not just hte top 1%.

      It will be no problem including you and the haters back into the fold when you realize there is no where to go with your republican friends,

      Catcha' later.

    • 6 months ago
  • HappyHeartJeff
  • squarethecircle
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  • bailey78
    • +1
      bailey78  

    • Well that does it then. I am a home grown terrorists. I live in fear of my government. I am againest the way they treat the 99% that are trying to change the way things are going. Damn they are going to have a few million more people in prison by the looks of things

    • 6 months ago
  • squarethecircle
    • +1
      squarethecircle  
    • bailey78:

      been wondering why FL has so many jails empty and waiting. With Scott pushing privatization of the jails so his friends can profit here it certainly seems like that will be the new billion dollar industry we can all participate in.

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
  • squarethecircle
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