New Report: Obama as bad as Bush?

Why is that? What has he really done to prove he is better? For now all the evidence from what he has actually done (as opposed to what he promised to do) points to him being not a whole lot better!

I'm sorry but you are wrong. What is intellectually lazy is being so partisan that you choose not to think for yourself. It is so obvious that Obama is just as bad as Bush. Your blind support for Obama is rather dogmatic. It is only based on the fact that there is a D next to his name. It obviously has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Your claim that Bush and Obama are the same is simply spurious, despite your protests to the contrary. The only people I know trying to advance such false and misleading claims are misguided libertarians, who out of intellectual laziness and political expediency always insist Democrats and Republicans are the same, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

My support for Obama is well researched, my eyes are wide open, and he is vastly superior to Bush, or anyone else the GOP has to offer. To claim otherwise is simply not backed up by the facts.

And yes, I am a Democrat, as all good and decent people should be.

Nope I'm not a libertarian. I'm a liberal. I strongly disagree with the libertarian free-market ideology. I hate Ron Paul. You can't just wrap things up in a libertarian blanket and throw them away in this case. Labeling things makes it easier to throw them away without really thinking about them.

To further clarify your point, please explain why Bush was bad and Obama is good. Then we can have something concrete to talk about. If you really think that Democrats are so much better than Republicans, then I'm sorry but reality eludes you. Both parties serve the elite. Your support for Obama cannot be well-researched. Your eyes cannot be open, if you think there is some vast differences between Obama and Bush. Please point them out. Explain what you seem to know so well, if you don't mind. I mean if there is overwhelming evidence, then please share it. You can't just call everyone who disagrees with you ignorant and assume that you win because your insults are worded intelligently. They are still just insults.

Here are some starters:

The Bush administration claimed the right to deny habeas corpus and deny due process when detaining anyone who they call a terrorist. This upset a lot of liberals (including me).

The Obama administration said to hell with that, let's just kill them instead. The Obama administration claims the right to ASSASSINATE any American citizen without trial or due process. People like you don't seem to upset about it when Obama does it worse than Bush.

"What amazes me most whenever I write about this topic is recalling how terribly upset so many Democrats pretended to be when Bush claimed the power merely to detain or even just eavesdrop on American citizens without due process. Remember all that? Yet now, here's Obama claiming the power not to detain or eavesdrop on citizens without due process, but to kill them; marvel at how the hardest-core White House loyalists now celebrate this and uncritically accept the same justifying rationale used by Bush/Cheney (this is war! the President says he was a Terrorist!) without even a moment of acknowledgment of the profound inconsistency or the deeply troubling implications of having a President -- even Barack Obama -- vested with the power to target U.S. citizens for murder with no due process." -- Glenn Greenwald

The Obama administration is chock full of Wall-Street tools.

Obama is cracking down on Cannabis, Medical Cannabis users. Why would someone who has first-hand experience with it and knows it's harmless still want to put people in cages over it? Putting profit and control over the needs of the people is why.

Obama extended the Bush/Obama tax cuts even though he pretended to fight against them (old trick, but not everyone fell for it).

The Obama administration permanently shielded the Bush administration for their war crimes and then went on to commit war crimes of its own.

Obama cracked down on whistleblowers (Manning/WikiLeaks)

Obama expanded and extended the "Patriot Act" so they can keep spying on you.

Obama FAVORS cuts to social programs.

I'm leaving a lot out too. I have a lot more.

Decent people are Democrats only when they are being fooled by the elite. You have been assimilated. Resistance, however, is NOT futile.

I don't expect to be able to enlighten you in the comments section here, but for further reading you should check out Glenn Greenwald, Chris Hedges, and Matt Taibbi.

Everything you say is true, but there is much ground to consider Obama far worse than Bush: George Bush was upfront with everything he did. Obama has turned out to be a dissimulating weasel - a Neocon fifth columnist, a wolf in sheep's (Democrat's) clothing - who has destroyed the Democratic Party. Sucking up to the 1%, the banksters and Wall Streeters, Paulson/Geithner leadership a Treasury, continuing Bush's SecDef Gates in the office, Gitmo, Support for Unions in Wisconsin ("If anyone threatens collective bargaining I'll be right there on the street marching with them in protest")...the list goes on and on. Refusing to treat with our adversaries, preferring to kill kill kill, terror bombing of civilians from unarmed flying terror machines in the sky, etc etc.

One only has to look at the results of the 2010 midterm Congressional elections to see what the voting public think - and it's worse now - scarcely two years after they elected a black guy named Hussein who promised "Change" and "Hope." The only folks remaining in Obama's camp are (1) delusional "liberals" who are too fearful and weak to look at the truth; and (2) the kind of hard-core right-wing Neocon elitists who realize they lucked into a "sleeper" as POTUS who is right down there in the gutter of greed with them. In fact, yesterday I found the Obama re-election team was advertising on the Foreign Policy Initiative (ne PNAC) website. Holy smoke! The only thing left to do is get out of dollars and make sure you know where the exits are.

Improving environmental regulations would stimulate investment in new technologies and jobs.

Investment, not costs because if you get behind the right technology early, you will be the next warren buffet.

food on the table trumps saving trees or investing in expensive green technology natty

His last quote here "And when Americans don’t know stupid people, the country is out of business." Gore Vidal (he was speaking about GWB). Thanks Vierotchka, worthwhile set. I have always liked listening to him speak, his candor is refreshing.

you raise some good points, to blindly follow a party whether they are "left" or "Right" wing is absurd, everyone should constantly question their own side and hold them accountable for their actions.
Actually the fact that there are only two parties that everyone votes for is even more absurd, especially when both sides have proven that they are just as bad as each other, bowing to lobbyist demands, neither making any headway with the policies they promise so much during elections.
What they need is new strong parties to come forward and make them really fight to prove they deserve the power, and if they mess up they don't have a 50:50 chance of getting back into power!

true! thanks, always liked Buckley pov as well.

yep....Buckley. Those were the days my friend. RIP I like him too. I like them both. We can learn from both these guys.

true enough. both men with excellent thinking and speakling skills whether you agreed with some of or everything they said. both have or had good things to offer

demicans and republicrats my friend

When you research the Oklahoma bombing you'll find it was almost as fraudulent as 9 11 ....they lied about everything that happened there too! Another set-up job ...what this Country is becoming all to good at!

ahhh just what we need, another conspiracy theorist with no real evidence to back himself up

just because vidal shares your view point doesnt make him right

oh darlin why must we always bicker. you know joy got cancelled. too much hatred and leftest rhetoric for even her most liberal admirers. and the dimwitted part i believe is directed at obamas democratic base not society at large

A blatant theft of the 2000 election and yet we still allow these horrendous scams to rule us!

yes this is correct. for the most part neither major political party in th u.s. care about the american public, except at election time. its all about power and greed and its bi-partisan

Are you suggesting that Obama was corporate right's ultimate joke on the public and democracy, and that he should be strung up for treason?

It is sad, arguing over who is the least worst? Is that what we have come to? I don't think corporations will agree, they are probably quite satisfied. We really need to realize that this is not a red vs blue issue anymore, it is our future that is at stake. Corporations and Govt will survive, it is the rest of us who are going to be getting the crumbs.

If Obama is as bad as Bush then the Republicans probably hate him on the grounds that he is not their proverbial bastard. Sure, Bush was (and still is in my opinion) an idiot and a jackass, but he was, and still is, an idiot and a jackass who is playing for the Republican team. And it seems to be a trend, at least when the Republicans are concerned, to unquestioningly file in behind the perceived leader when he/she is from your team, but to fight the perceived leader on every issue when he/she is not from your team (even if that leader is doing a lot of similar things that the leader from your team did).

They don't really, but appearances must be maintained. How long would this charade last if it was obvious to a majority that they were actually in agreement about everything that matters? (serving the 1%) Actually after having just written that, it seems really really obvious.

You think its as elementary as team identification? Looking at all the evidence will show that this perceived hate is a ruse, or at most, misguided republican foot soldiers set free.

Exactly! Like I've been saying for awhile -- Bush-dark and the reptards are nothing more than a game of 'good cop/bad cop' and they're playing it for us. (Kinda like that awful, old saying -- hire the handicapped, they're fun to watch; only in this case they're playing the game b/c WE are fun to watch >:)!

Pwr 2 KB! Dismember the trolls and their vermadon!

I don't know. Why then do they always golf together? Maybe it's all for show? No, they wouldn't be that disingenuous.

gee jan i would think by now you'd have discovered they all sleep together, including your precious gore

we dont hate him, its his policies we hate

I,m with you on this Kenny.

Very good question! That may be the answer as to why the group of candidates they've chosen to run against him? He is just as bad as the progressives fear and the repugs want him to stay.
That doesn't answer his Supreme court choices.

I'm with you on this as well, ilikeike. In all reality, we haven't had a true change in the powers that be technically since Jimmy Carter was ousted. Starting with Reagan, there has been a direct link to the Bush Crime Family. Poppy ran the WH when Reagan was the figurehead. Then, Poppy had his own 4 years. Then the son he wish he had, Clinton, ran it for 8. His dumbass son W. for 8 more and now the torch has been passed to "Bush: The Next Generation starring Obama."

Kenny...if he was a white man...the Reps would be real confused...:)

Yup, they would be scratching their heads!

They don't , it's all a game, a scam, both parties are needed just as they are to function...it's good cop -bad cop with both becoming powerful and wealthy, the vote means nothing now and it's simply more of the same regardless who is in office...they are working together behind our backs ...it's all for show! Don't trust anything that breathes in Washington or part of this government! It's become rotten throughout.

I believe you are correct, something big is on the way don't fear, embrace goodness!

Attacking Obama as if he is on the left serves multiple purposes.

1. It serves the purpose of getting lefties to support the right-wing agenda:

The most obvious example is that it raises such questions as yours: "how come the Republicans hate him so much?" and makes liberals feel like they have to defend Obama's right-wing behavior.

2. It attempts to move the entire country further to the right.

What does the right wing rhetoric sound like? It's all about how socialist Obama is... how he's too far to the left. In reality Obama's policies are extremely Bush-like. Attacking Obama's right-wing actions as if they're socialist attempts to redefine the left as being far to the right of where it is supposed to be. The new right-wing is of course the crazy tea party.

3. It keeps the people divided.

Gotta separate people in about half -- the D's and R's and pit them against each other... That's how they know that nothing will ever threaten the elite. We're too busy fighting each other over made-up nonsense.

So the elite win. They get a right-wing, wall-street-tool president to do their bidding. The liberals are neutered by the fact that Obama the Democrat is the president, so they are not fighting against Obama's servitude of the elite as hard as they would if he was a Republican.

The elite also chuckle as Fox viewers fight with lefties about how Socialist, Obama is, forcing the lefties to come to Obama's defense. Meanwhile the elite have the entire country moving to the right.

Half the country is running to the defense of the elite's puppet while the other half is fighting to move the country even further to the right. Who wins? The elite win because people in general are ignorant and easily manipulated ... trained like dogs.

You nailed it, noxidereus. Excellent! Voted up!

Actually if you have been paying attention, Mr. Gore has really been one of the only Democrats holding Obama to task for his environmental missteps. And he doesn't play golf BTW, as far as I know nor is part of this current administration. And you bet he is precious to me. Glad you understand that.

there are others but possibly gore is one of the more well known and or out spoken. i hope that your fantasy bubble never pops beautiful and if it ever does that you have someone close to console you

Thats about it, we can thank the Religious right for this fine mess. Cause without them constantly embracing the right because they keep telling them they will end abortion, they wouldn't have been elected.

LOL ^^^^